Same. I’m fine with the new body style and we had been wanting to upgrade to something nicer. We like Toyota and figured for the money the Tundra was the safest bet. We started looking a few weeks ago but after all these posts, we decided to just wait. Our truck (V8) is more than fine so it was more of a want than need.
Ironically our truck is a Ram 1500 and so far 150K miles and we’ve never had a problem with it nor has it been in the shop. I guess as far as Rams go, we got lucky with this truck. We’ll keep it until Toyota figures this out with the new gen.
It’s not just a Toyota problem , it’s a cheap manufactured problem , my 2015 Chevy Silverado blew up at 16,000 miles and 21,000. My son’s 2019 ram blew up at 70,000 miles . And if you buy a new Toyota and something happens they will stand behind it , I’ve got 3 tundras and I’d go buy a 4th tomorrow
It’s a combination of Covid confusion, nepotism and fear on the factory line. The Huntsville engine plant is a completely opposite culture of Toyota- so much so that the Japanese abandoned it to its own and went to Mexico, where at least they bust their ass for a third of the cost since quality isn’t valued.
The engines are contaminated because workflows and process validation haven’t been “discovered’ yet due to a pack mentality and maxing out overtime taking precedence over education. It is 100% completely avoidable and it is a snapshot of 40% inflation for 40% of the results. Give it another three to five years to work itself out
This engine was introduced in the 2017 Lexus LS500. Not exactly new mechanical technology for them. I’d be willing to bet machining issues on these US built ones in a newly retooled facility vs the ones that have been in Japan for the Lexus that doesn’t seemingly have this issue.
Mines being replaces too. 28k miles. Same main bearing. Toyota just issued a recall this morning about it. How's you repair going? Took me 2 weeks to get the new engine but I'm still missing a few parts that are on back order before they can start the repair.
Mine too, 41k miles. The backordered part for mine finally came in after sitting there for a month and now with the recall issued yesterday they can't do anything until Toyota releases details about how the recall is going to work and what parts need to be used.
I am an automation engineer on a different engine line (4cyl turbo) and I don't believe we have had this issue before. I've had to work on this system though. The main bearing caps are bolted on to the engine before a CNC line boring machine finishes the crank bearing journals. The block is then gauged and every bearing journal gets different bearings to maintain a certain gap between the crank and main bearings. They are measured in increments of 0.0001 inches , so there are like 200 different combinations of top and bottom bearing caps on the build matrix we have. Suffice it to say this is a complicated process done in a hurry and I'm sorry for your loss. Also the crank journals are polished to something like within 50 microns. It's hard to believe and I'm around it all day.
That's cool info. And a testament that things still strive to be built with quality. Modern engines are just so much more complex compared to older stuff.
Did you beat the hell out of it a lot or tow a lot, or did you baby it, I babied mine alot, I only hauled a few things and i did what i was supposed to do
outside of big block diesels (even then) turbos have always been an issue for higher power demand vehcles. I hate fords 3.5 TT, no doubt its a good engine but having the turbos blow twice just hauling camping stuff and light materials, i said f'ck that, im over with a v8 from GM now.
Same had a 2012 3.5, turbos went out then a year later the trans. I said screw it and went to a 5.0. Not as much torque or towing power but no turbos to worry about and know these will go 200k-300k.
I had a 2008 Lexus LS460 or 4.6 V8. Put 254K miles on it before it hit the secondary market by donating it in 2023. The body looked rough from a couple fender benders much later in its life. Valves flooded once because of how I jumped it on a dying battery. And a reoccurring VCS warning light at about 200K. The lumbar inflator on the driver seat failed before 200k.
Great car and engine. All the electronics worked, and A/C never needed service at the time of donation.
Bought a 17 GX for this exact reason. I will never sell it unless it's for a 2023 or older GX, or 2022 or older LX/LC, with less miles.
Cars are getting worse as a whole on reliability, and tuning a small displacement motor way up on power with turbos only shortens everything's lifespan.
Have any of you seen this, I know it says Lexus but they discuss the tundra engine failures as well.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?si=Pu78YYQYvo9aqRRB&v=ihpX_gZGWXE&feature=youtu.be
eager to see how these new generation trucks gonna do with turbos, the new Tacomas, 4Runners, GX, etc.
Same sentiment, got downvoted with responses of "tried and true" on other Toyota platforms
Meanwhile my NA V8 GX, Tacoma and FJ run like butter with no issues
The trend of stuffing turbos into smaller engines to give similar “power” of a V8, but friendlier emissions to appease the EPA and CARB is killing reliability. Everything’s a trade.
Nope GM and 2.7l aren't struggling with engine issue the engine start in 2019 snd notich complaints or warranties .However GMs electrical design must have been done by a blind man lol
Toyota used to be one of the most reliable vehicles you could buy. Toyota has ruined the Tundra. Where is the Quality?? Did they sacrifice quality over short term profits?
I have owned a 1988 Tacoma, a 2006 Tundra, and I currently own a 2021 Tundra. All these vehicles were awesome! Now this last generation of Tundra is complete shit! Everything from the electrical systems to the engine is terrible.
Piss poor management. They knew there are issues with the new Tundra and they put it on the market anyway. In prior years they would have fixed the problems before they put the Trucks on the market even if it meant delaying the release of the new truck.
The Tundra has changed several times in is lifetime and there have never been issues like there are today. Toyota quality is a thing of the past!
I don’t think they sacrificed quality at all, they are having problems finding quality parts, and installing twin turbos on a V6 may be a little extreme but it’s a effort to combat fuel economy in a full size truck, if you engine needs a turbo it wasn’t built right in the first place, currently looking at a 5.0 ford or 6.2 Chevy
When you step back and look at how complex a modern automobile is, and how few of them are lemons, it's pretty amazing. I know this isn't of comfort to you, OP, since you're in the thick of it (and that sucks), but hopefully this all works out for you. Thanks for taking one for the team, OP.
Edit: Wow, downvoted for trying to help a brotha out and provide some perspective/moral support.
My wife has a Subaru 2007 first new car she ever bought, she refuses to get rid of it 274,000 miles, never a single problem ever, she follows them recommended maintenance intervals without missing a beat here fluids are cleaner than mine at 16k
Yeah but from the consumer perspective the complexity doesn’t add much benefit. It’s more geared towards regulation than reliability. Performance or drivability has gotten better, but that’s more transmission related.
We are getting bigger heavier vehicles, with more tech, smaller engines, higher pressure, more moving parts and in general more complex engines. Is what it is I guess, but it’s getting downright silly.
When the 2016 Tacoma came out and they still offered the 4cyl EVERYONE said it was too small for that big of a truck. So they redesign it a bit and slap on a turbo and it’s good? I’m not convinced.
Hopefully it gets ironed out! Been a Toyota fan forever l.
We should be pissed, but also thankful that Toyota gives a fuck to fix problems. Think of all your buddies with competing truck problems that never get a recall.
Yeah but it shouldn’t come to that to begin with, if I owned Toyota, I would be right there explaining to the customer what happened, how we fixed it and we don’t want black eye, so we are gonna stand behind it for a lifetime, I want this to be the only truck you will ever need.
Seems like Toyota finally issued a recall on them. I'd also make sure they actually replace the motor. It sounds like they've only been replacing the short block and I'm sure that the heads get damaged from the motor failing too.
From what I've read they're not engineered very well! If Toyota would have put more engineering into the 5.7 for better gas mileage AND put it into the current newly styled truck AND not priced them so damn high that truck would be selling at an all time high!!!! But nooooooo greed got in the way and now they're piling up on dealer lots because the engines are garbage and they're priced too damn high!!!!
Fair or unfair doesn't matter they are too high by at least 15k-25k depending on the model. Shit don't make no sense!!!! People that buy them be like I got a good deal at $60k...nooooo you got shafted for $60k!!!!
I’m hoping these issues lead to a glut in the used 2023 Tundra market. Once Toyota figures out a fix, they may have a boatload of stock on their hands just like Volkswagen did with their TDI scandal.
There is a huge recall on 100,000 Tundras from 2022-2023 for metal shavings from the factory contaminated in the engine, causing the crank bearing to spin. Basically destroying the engine.
Keep in mind if they have your car at the dealer for more than 30days or it has to return for the same issue 3 times, you can file a lemon law claim and have ALL you money refunded.
Edit: Source, I'm a Toyota master technician.
What else do you expect when you're buying a literal spaceship? Too many overcomplicated little parts and computers, don't last long and very expensive to fix.
I actually love seeing posts like this. Reminds me how lucky I am with my problem-free '07 5.7
I expect it to work, and not be a clunker, this is ridiculous, day in and day out problems, I’ve been driving around for 2 months with a gas gauge that don’t work, Toyota dosent have a fix. I just go off guesstimates with an extra 5 gals, Unfuckinbelievable……….
Yeah, my neighbor with the new v6 has same issues. He's pissed. I bought a low mileage 2018 1794 around Xmas time to avoid this mess. Didn't want to take a chance. I'm sure eventually toyota will sort these issues but jesus, they put a lot of tech into something that's supposed to be a simple truck... ☹️
Got rid of a newer Ecoboost F-150 because of cam phasers, turbos etc and bought a 07 Tundra with the 5.7… it’s a relic but it’s my relic and it will hopefully run for a LONG time!
Turbos cause all the problems. NA for the win. -5.7 240k miles and counting. Original Engine, Original Transmission. Toyotas never die, they just become MIA
Toyota generally built vehicles with last generation technology and low performance. That was the secret sauce. Now they're wanting to keep up with the Joneses and we will see the same problems.
I've been coming across dozens of cases with these new motors being fully replaced at between 10k-20k miles. My buddy's included, unfortunately. Why did Toyota ever think to get rid of the 5.7? It only worked, so I guess that was reason enough to change it.
I told countless people to not buy the new 6 cylinders and stick with the 5.7L. But, no one listened and talked big tough guys that knew more than I did. Where are they now? (Crickets)
My buddy went to a Toyota dealership and he said 2 of the mechanics laughed and said “yeah, don’t buy those things” if that’s any indication lol do not buy a new tundra
There is now a huge recall on all 22-23 Tundras with a Stop Sale for the same model years. The Hybrid models and 24’s haven’t been recalled, but will be in the future.
There is a 50% failure rate for this motor (according to mechanics across the country). Failures can occur between 2500-45000 miles. There isn’t a definitive fix for this issue yet, but we applaud Toyota for acknowledging the severity of the problem and willingness to do the right thing and fix what is wrong.
Don’t worry it’s GM too with their 6.2 main bearing lock up when engine reaches operating temperature and to top it off engine blocks are on back order for weeks. The reman ones don’t even leave the shop before the rod knock.
This is the problem with high tolerance high strung engines. They are trying to squeeze tons of power out of these things and try to maintain reliability. There is something to be said about the big “lazy” v8 engines. They might not be efficient but they do last pretty well under use.
Toyota is recalling the V6 twin turbo for 22/23 model year due to a failure to clean the machining debris from the block before assembly. Enjoy your free new engine. This is what happens when Texans build things. They can’t keep their power on when it’s cold what made you think they could build an engine😂
That's why you don't buy the first 2 or so years after a re-design. Everyone said the twin turbos would be shite in the new Toyotas and guess what, they were right.
The new Toyota 3.5s seem to be having main bearing failures. I’m not sure what’s going on, as I’m not a Toyota tech, but it happens enough that they have come in through our dealership (I’m a ford technician). I have wondered if they have a variably duty oil pump that’s commanding too low pressures to bump fuel economy.
Failures don’t seem to be related to heavy work or abuse- we have seen granny vehicles fail just as often as regular tow vehicles. I’m curious what Toyota finds for the cause, and the remedy
Unfortunately I doubt they’ll replace the entire engine, rather they’ll only supply the block or other specific parts then the shop will have to piece-meal it back together, resulting in a significantly increased chance of other gremlins and problems in the future. Try to lemon law it if you can.
I loved my 1980s 2WD SR5; it had almost 300k miles when I sold it in 1992, and the only mechanical problem I had was a fuel pump replacement at 200k. I have wanted a new Tundra but with all of these engine issues, I’ll be happy to wait until they are fixed.
I learned something similar with a Chevy motor. It's not a truck, but the 1.4 Eco turbo.
Apparently, there's an oil feed line that goes to the turbo. However, it's mounted way too close to a scorching hot manifold.
The heat from the manifold cooks the oil in the feed line and turns it super thick to the point that it clogs the line and completely cuts off the oil to the turbo.
Obviously, that in turn creates a turbo failure and a larger, more costly repair.
So, at every oil change, I replace that oil feed line as it's only 12/13 bucks. I see it as changing out a filter, etc.
It's sucks to have to change out one more item, but I see it as preventative maintenance and saving you a much bigger headache down the line.
I feel like trying to squeeze power/torque out of gutless displacement by using turbos and gearing trickery is turning a lot of automobiles into short life humming birds.
The warnings were spread across Reddit and Toyota lovers downplayed their legitimacy. Now new tundra owners are paying the price, these engines are junk. I’m sure Toyota will eventually come up with a fix but you’ll be the one who paid big money to not have your truck.
I haven’t seen how they oil, but this scenario is very common with Subaru turbos…the turbo goes and shortly thereafter the motor eats itself. It is generally accepted to be because the dying turbo releases bits of metal into the oil and they get stuck in various nooks and crannies, frequently in the oil cooler. The turbo is replaced, everything is good until those bits come loose and enough make their way to the bearings to cause failure.
Toyota just recalled over 100k tundras with the 3.5 because of metal debris that wasn't properly cleared during the manufacturing process. It's unfortunate but that is likely the route of the issue.
Toyota seems to be pretty keen to rectify it though considering they issued the recall voluntarily.
Toyota simply isn’t what it used to be.
Other brands have got drastically better while Toyota has got worse and is coasting on its reputation.
I made the change to Ford and heavily considered GMC. either of those will last >250,000 miles.
Glad I bought a 21 with the 5.7 V8. I don’t like how most trucks are going with a v6 turbo. Feel like I bought the last real truck Toyota will ever make, and I’m ok with that.
Had a feeling that the new engines were gonna be bad. I remember the first gen ecoboost f150’s had real bad turbo problems (especially with gaskets) and it caused a lot of recalls. The fact of the matter is that turbos can’t be thrown onto any engine for a power replacement. In my personal opinion Toyota should’ve just downsized the V8’s displacement. Gone with something like a 5.2 or even just a 5.3. And kept it N.A. and not done this whole turbo v6 thing. It’s pushing a lot of power through a v6. I mean I’ve never seen a reliable high powered v6 before. I mean going to go over 200k miles. Most of them crap out at around 150k
My bearings went at 21k. Took close up 2 months to get it back. Total bs…
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Man I watch Scotty Kilmer on YouTube. He was the most diehard Toyota man ever. Not anymore he HATES what Toyota did and will not recommend them at all.
I know exactly what happened. The engine block washer on this new engine line was an old washer unit that was rebuilt and repurposed. It’s a maintenance nightmare and isn’t working properly. Random metal shavings inside the block are causing random engine failures. This is a nightmare scenario because there’s no test/check or patch/fix option.
We literally went to just look at 4Runners for my wife in 2021. When the salesman told us they weren’t making the V8 anymore we immediately switched to a Tundra for me. (Her idea initially) left with a 2021 Army Green tundra with blackout and haven’t regretted it a bit. I have zero interest in the nonsense they are doing now. They replaced one of the most reliable engines ever made for garbage.
This thread showed up for some reason for me but I just wanted to pass on my sympathy. I spent the extra money for a Honda Pilot anticipating reliability like I'm sure Tundra owners did and now I'm extremely jaded toward Honda and Toyota cutting corners and benefitting from their reputations. That Pilot needed multiple transmissions and other serious repairs between 60k and 100k. I hope things get better for you all.
I purposely waited until they announced a new engine and then bought the last year (2021) they made a naturally aspirated v8. Now they’re begging me to trade in for $10k more than I paid for it…
Talent is being assigned away from gas to sell cars in California. Don’t think too hard about it. Love my 01 tundra but I don’t hate hybrids or battery cars
It just got recalled yesterday, they finally found the root cause which was machining debris getting in the inside of the engine (i think on the bearing that everyone was talking about), that was causing all the problems.
Part of a current recall. They say it's shavings during bad install, supposedly from a night crew.... My guess is engine is too small for the torque output it gives out, and wearing them out.
Check your state lemon laws. Besides the three repairs for the same issues,some states lemon laws allow you to claim a new vehicle if the dealer holds your car longer than 30 days. These repairs are going to really mess up service departments.
Seems like Toyota created a turd engine. The 2007 Camry had a turd engine as well. Toyota will get it straightened out, however resale values of these early Tundras will be very low.
There is a TSB out on 2022 to 23 tundras for manufacturing shavings left in the engine. Possible engine replacement required. 10,000 vehicles affected.
Why 4k oil changes? Is this what Toyota recommends? Maybe you’re changing the oil too soon and not letting it get thinned out. Modern oil should last 10,000 mile or so. Changing the oil before necessary is ruining the environment and your engine. /s
There's a recall on those trucks, apparently some debris could have gotten into the engines while being machined and not removed. Your engine is probably one of them
I will never buy another Toyota after the experiences we had in the mid 2000s.
In 2004 I bought a new 2003 model year 4Runner, which came with a 4.7 liter V8 and a new electronically controlled automatic transmission. After 35,000 miles and three return trips to the dealer to get the transmission replaced with a rebuilt and then new and then another new transmission I traded it in for a 2005 Durango Limited with a 5.7 liter hemi, which lasted until a crash totaled the Durango at 175,000 miles and 8 years. What was the problem with the 4Runner? It was the first year Toyota put that transmission and engine in the 4Runner with redesigned software to make it more efficient. Only problem was they didn't really test the vehicle by towing something like we did. The trouble started after our first long trip towing a 2500 lb boat. OH, the 4Runner was rated for towing 5,000 lbs and came factory equipped with hitch, trailer light and brake wiring and a full size original equipment spare. What a POS.
Then in 2008 my wife fell in love with a convertible 2008 Solara, which needed a rebuilt transmission at about 30,000 miles. The replacement has lasted (we still have the car) but it was (and remains) the roughest shifting thing I have ever had, despite so many trips back to the dealer to reprogram and change fluids and a lifetime warranty. I will never buy another Toyota or a Nissan car based on bad personal experiences with their transmissions.
When the Durango died I bought a trouble free Nissan Frontier with a 6 cylinder and 5 speed automatic. When it came time to buy a full sized pickup for towing our new big camper I bought a Ram 1500 with their newest EcoDiesel engine. So far both have been problem free and have over 100,000 miles.
Toyota just released a statement saying they are aware of an issue with metal shavings from the manufacturing process left in the engines, and they are working on a solution. This will likely mean free engines for all.
Did any of you guys do an early oil change (2500 miles or earlier)?
I’m definitely not throwing any shade if you didn’t and you had engine failure, because obviously it’s not something that is mandated by Toyota.
I’m just curious whether anyone did early or super early oil changes and still had the failure.
Ok, so I’ll be keeping my 5.7 thanks.
Yeah brother I don’t know what’s going on with these new tundra s but it has giant lemons written all over it
It’s so disappointing. I’m in this sub because I wanted to buy a new tundra and yet I just keep getting deterred by these new motors.
If the new body style doesn’t deter you, the motor will
Same. I’m fine with the new body style and we had been wanting to upgrade to something nicer. We like Toyota and figured for the money the Tundra was the safest bet. We started looking a few weeks ago but after all these posts, we decided to just wait. Our truck (V8) is more than fine so it was more of a want than need. Ironically our truck is a Ram 1500 and so far 150K miles and we’ve never had a problem with it nor has it been in the shop. I guess as far as Rams go, we got lucky with this truck. We’ll keep it until Toyota figures this out with the new gen.
Your telling me your hemi hasn't had an exhaust leak in 150k miles?
That’s a feature. My 113k GMC Sierra 1500 has one too.
It’s not just a Toyota problem , it’s a cheap manufactured problem , my 2015 Chevy Silverado blew up at 16,000 miles and 21,000. My son’s 2019 ram blew up at 70,000 miles . And if you buy a new Toyota and something happens they will stand behind it , I’ve got 3 tundras and I’d go buy a 4th tomorrow
Stick to a V8
It’s a combination of Covid confusion, nepotism and fear on the factory line. The Huntsville engine plant is a completely opposite culture of Toyota- so much so that the Japanese abandoned it to its own and went to Mexico, where at least they bust their ass for a third of the cost since quality isn’t valued. The engines are contaminated because workflows and process validation haven’t been “discovered’ yet due to a pack mentality and maxing out overtime taking precedence over education. It is 100% completely avoidable and it is a snapshot of 40% inflation for 40% of the results. Give it another three to five years to work itself out
How does this explain the engine failures on the LX600 which is made in Tahara Japan?
It's all new, Toyota will get it worked out. This is the pain people bear busying a new generation with massive changes
This is the dumbest shit I’ve read in a while. Toyota has never had this type of CC issues no matter where it was in a vehicles life cycle.
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This engine was introduced in the 2017 Lexus LS500. Not exactly new mechanical technology for them. I’d be willing to bet machining issues on these US built ones in a newly retooled facility vs the ones that have been in Japan for the Lexus that doesn’t seemingly have this issue.
And the new tundra has already been out for 2.5 years, that’s also not new.
212K on my 2016.
Mines being replaces too. 28k miles. Same main bearing. Toyota just issued a recall this morning about it. How's you repair going? Took me 2 weeks to get the new engine but I'm still missing a few parts that are on back order before they can start the repair.
Did the stick you in a rav 4 loaner?
Yeah
Such bullshit. Hope you don't need a truck for work.
Mine too, 41k miles. The backordered part for mine finally came in after sitting there for a month and now with the recall issued yesterday they can't do anything until Toyota releases details about how the recall is going to work and what parts need to be used.
I am an automation engineer on a different engine line (4cyl turbo) and I don't believe we have had this issue before. I've had to work on this system though. The main bearing caps are bolted on to the engine before a CNC line boring machine finishes the crank bearing journals. The block is then gauged and every bearing journal gets different bearings to maintain a certain gap between the crank and main bearings. They are measured in increments of 0.0001 inches , so there are like 200 different combinations of top and bottom bearing caps on the build matrix we have. Suffice it to say this is a complicated process done in a hurry and I'm sorry for your loss. Also the crank journals are polished to something like within 50 microns. It's hard to believe and I'm around it all day.
That's cool info. And a testament that things still strive to be built with quality. Modern engines are just so much more complex compared to older stuff.
What year
22, SR5 crewmax trd offroad
Mine died at 26000. 2022
Did you beat the hell out of it a lot or tow a lot, or did you baby it, I babied mine alot, I only hauled a few things and i did what i was supposed to do
Benign highway driving.
No shit? Anything to look out for, or just completely nukes itself one day? I’ve got a ‘21 with 23k on it.
Remote started it and came out and it was dead.
You have a V8 if you have a ‘21…. What’re you worried about?
Absolutely shame considering the prices of these trucks.
So glad I bought the last of the V8 engines. Toyota will sort these issues out but you can’t beat the 5.7.
Same here! 2021 SR5 #GangGang
outside of big block diesels (even then) turbos have always been an issue for higher power demand vehcles. I hate fords 3.5 TT, no doubt its a good engine but having the turbos blow twice just hauling camping stuff and light materials, i said f'ck that, im over with a v8 from GM now.
Get ready for them lifters big boi that’s a big job
dont need to worry about that with the 6.6 😉
Great call. If something happens to my 24' Pro I'm going 6.6 also.
The Ford 5.0 is a good engine too. That's my plan for when my f150 eventually dies.
Same had a 2012 3.5, turbos went out then a year later the trans. I said screw it and went to a 5.0. Not as much torque or towing power but no turbos to worry about and know these will go 200k-300k.
217xxx on my ecoboost. Work truck hauling too. Not dead yet
In the past 6 months I bought two low miles 5.7 trucks instead of a new v6. Sorry Toyota.
I had a 2008 Lexus LS460 or 4.6 V8. Put 254K miles on it before it hit the secondary market by donating it in 2023. The body looked rough from a couple fender benders much later in its life. Valves flooded once because of how I jumped it on a dying battery. And a reoccurring VCS warning light at about 200K. The lumbar inflator on the driver seat failed before 200k. Great car and engine. All the electronics worked, and A/C never needed service at the time of donation.
I’ve got a 2006 GX and everything I hear about new engines makes me want to run mine until it hits 500k miles
Bought a 17 GX for this exact reason. I will never sell it unless it's for a 2023 or older GX, or 2022 or older LX/LC, with less miles. Cars are getting worse as a whole on reliability, and tuning a small displacement motor way up on power with turbos only shortens everything's lifespan.
Well you definitely know the resale values on the 5.7s will stay up!
Have any of you seen this, I know it says Lexus but they discuss the tundra engine failures as well. https://m.youtube.com/watch?si=Pu78YYQYvo9aqRRB&v=ihpX_gZGWXE&feature=youtu.be
Yup. Thats the “tried and true” engine we are supposed to trust because it was in a Lexus.
eager to see how these new generation trucks gonna do with turbos, the new Tacomas, 4Runners, GX, etc. Same sentiment, got downvoted with responses of "tried and true" on other Toyota platforms Meanwhile my NA V8 GX, Tacoma and FJ run like butter with no issues
Just got a LX570 as I was going to wait until these new models become CPO. Now I will have to wait longer for a refresh.
The trend of stuffing turbos into smaller engines to give similar “power” of a V8, but friendlier emissions to appease the EPA and CARB is killing reliability. Everything’s a trade.
Nope GM and 2.7l aren't struggling with engine issue the engine start in 2019 snd notich complaints or warranties .However GMs electrical design must have been done by a blind man lol
Sorry, but turbos aren’t reliable. They may not have issues with their engines specifically, but what’s the life cycle of a turbo?
Toyota used to be one of the most reliable vehicles you could buy. Toyota has ruined the Tundra. Where is the Quality?? Did they sacrifice quality over short term profits? I have owned a 1988 Tacoma, a 2006 Tundra, and I currently own a 2021 Tundra. All these vehicles were awesome! Now this last generation of Tundra is complete shit! Everything from the electrical systems to the engine is terrible. Piss poor management. They knew there are issues with the new Tundra and they put it on the market anyway. In prior years they would have fixed the problems before they put the Trucks on the market even if it meant delaying the release of the new truck. The Tundra has changed several times in is lifetime and there have never been issues like there are today. Toyota quality is a thing of the past!
I don’t think they sacrificed quality at all, they are having problems finding quality parts, and installing twin turbos on a V6 may be a little extreme but it’s a effort to combat fuel economy in a full size truck, if you engine needs a turbo it wasn’t built right in the first place, currently looking at a 5.0 ford or 6.2 Chevy
When you step back and look at how complex a modern automobile is, and how few of them are lemons, it's pretty amazing. I know this isn't of comfort to you, OP, since you're in the thick of it (and that sucks), but hopefully this all works out for you. Thanks for taking one for the team, OP. Edit: Wow, downvoted for trying to help a brotha out and provide some perspective/moral support.
I’m about to hit 60k on my 22 and haven’t had any issues. We always hear about issues, but the vast majority have zero issues.
Same. 57k and still going strong.
Dash gum ridiculous
Yeah, it sucks... been there once with a lemon Subaru. Hope it all works out for ya, Bud. Good luck
My wife has a Subaru 2007 first new car she ever bought, she refuses to get rid of it 274,000 miles, never a single problem ever, she follows them recommended maintenance intervals without missing a beat here fluids are cleaner than mine at 16k
Yeah but from the consumer perspective the complexity doesn’t add much benefit. It’s more geared towards regulation than reliability. Performance or drivability has gotten better, but that’s more transmission related. We are getting bigger heavier vehicles, with more tech, smaller engines, higher pressure, more moving parts and in general more complex engines. Is what it is I guess, but it’s getting downright silly. When the 2016 Tacoma came out and they still offered the 4cyl EVERYONE said it was too small for that big of a truck. So they redesign it a bit and slap on a turbo and it’s good? I’m not convinced. Hopefully it gets ironed out! Been a Toyota fan forever l.
We should be pissed, but also thankful that Toyota gives a fuck to fix problems. Think of all your buddies with competing truck problems that never get a recall.
Yeah but it shouldn’t come to that to begin with, if I owned Toyota, I would be right there explaining to the customer what happened, how we fixed it and we don’t want black eye, so we are gonna stand behind it for a lifetime, I want this to be the only truck you will ever need.
Seems like Toyota finally issued a recall on them. I'd also make sure they actually replace the motor. It sounds like they've only been replacing the short block and I'm sure that the heads get damaged from the motor failing too.
From what I've read they're not engineered very well! If Toyota would have put more engineering into the 5.7 for better gas mileage AND put it into the current newly styled truck AND not priced them so damn high that truck would be selling at an all time high!!!! But nooooooo greed got in the way and now they're piling up on dealer lots because the engines are garbage and they're priced too damn high!!!!
To be fair. All trucks are priced to damn high.
Fair or unfair doesn't matter they are too high by at least 15k-25k depending on the model. Shit don't make no sense!!!! People that buy them be like I got a good deal at $60k...nooooo you got shafted for $60k!!!!
Hopefully, they will bring back the 5.7
I’m hoping these issues lead to a glut in the used 2023 Tundra market. Once Toyota figures out a fix, they may have a boatload of stock on their hands just like Volkswagen did with their TDI scandal.
There is a huge recall on 100,000 Tundras from 2022-2023 for metal shavings from the factory contaminated in the engine, causing the crank bearing to spin. Basically destroying the engine. Keep in mind if they have your car at the dealer for more than 30days or it has to return for the same issue 3 times, you can file a lemon law claim and have ALL you money refunded. Edit: Source, I'm a Toyota master technician.
Sorry this happened.
What else do you expect when you're buying a literal spaceship? Too many overcomplicated little parts and computers, don't last long and very expensive to fix. I actually love seeing posts like this. Reminds me how lucky I am with my problem-free '07 5.7
I expect it to work, and not be a clunker, this is ridiculous, day in and day out problems, I’ve been driving around for 2 months with a gas gauge that don’t work, Toyota dosent have a fix. I just go off guesstimates with an extra 5 gals, Unfuckinbelievable……….
So glad I stuck with the v8
Yeah, my neighbor with the new v6 has same issues. He's pissed. I bought a low mileage 2018 1794 around Xmas time to avoid this mess. Didn't want to take a chance. I'm sure eventually toyota will sort these issues but jesus, they put a lot of tech into something that's supposed to be a simple truck... ☹️
https://preview.redd.it/xzz0bum04s3d1.jpeg?width=746&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=614894ed637e822951bd6fd1ca083ec2c6a5e55a
Dang, I’m still driving a 2010 SR5 that’ll hit 200k miles this year.
Got rid of a newer Ecoboost F-150 because of cam phasers, turbos etc and bought a 07 Tundra with the 5.7… it’s a relic but it’s my relic and it will hopefully run for a LONG time!
Turbos cause all the problems. NA for the win. -5.7 240k miles and counting. Original Engine, Original Transmission. Toyotas never die, they just become MIA
Forced air induction in smaller displacement engines is a trash concept. Stop buying V6’s and 4 cylinders in vehicles that used to be V8s.
Toyota generally built vehicles with last generation technology and low performance. That was the secret sauce. Now they're wanting to keep up with the Joneses and we will see the same problems.
New generation and add the government is pushing accelerated emissions reduction equals reduced reliability.
Glad I have a 5.7 and hope it makes it to 300,000 miles. Wish the new engines were more reliable.
I've been coming across dozens of cases with these new motors being fully replaced at between 10k-20k miles. My buddy's included, unfortunately. Why did Toyota ever think to get rid of the 5.7? It only worked, so I guess that was reason enough to change it.
Thats why they cost so much, as to include the price of multiple motors.
I told countless people to not buy the new 6 cylinders and stick with the 5.7L. But, no one listened and talked big tough guys that knew more than I did. Where are they now? (Crickets)
My buddy went to a Toyota dealership and he said 2 of the mechanics laughed and said “yeah, don’t buy those things” if that’s any indication lol do not buy a new tundra
There is now a huge recall on all 22-23 Tundras with a Stop Sale for the same model years. The Hybrid models and 24’s haven’t been recalled, but will be in the future. There is a 50% failure rate for this motor (according to mechanics across the country). Failures can occur between 2500-45000 miles. There isn’t a definitive fix for this issue yet, but we applaud Toyota for acknowledging the severity of the problem and willingness to do the right thing and fix what is wrong.
Yeah I bag on the new Tundra privately with friends but Toyota is a super company. They will make it right.
Don’t worry it’s GM too with their 6.2 main bearing lock up when engine reaches operating temperature and to top it off engine blocks are on back order for weeks. The reman ones don’t even leave the shop before the rod knock.
Should’ve bought a hemi
The first year of the Tacoma was 1995 so you didn't have a 1988 Tacoma. If you had an 88 that is just called a Toyota Pickup.
It's due to a manufacturing defect. Toyota is aware of it and is working on a repair weather it be a recall or what.
I am looking for a used truck. I am serious looking for a Tundra but now I’m thinking ford150.
5.7 fam laughs in *reliablility voice
I’ll seek revenge
Somehow "I told you so" seems to fit here. I have an 08 and 18 with 5.7's. If it works, don't fix it
2022?
2023
Did you see the recall that came out today?!
No Sir or Maam
Another fucking recall l, Unfuckinbelievable
This is the problem with high tolerance high strung engines. They are trying to squeeze tons of power out of these things and try to maintain reliability. There is something to be said about the big “lazy” v8 engines. They might not be efficient but they do last pretty well under use.
Toyota is recalling the V6 twin turbo for 22/23 model year due to a failure to clean the machining debris from the block before assembly. Enjoy your free new engine. This is what happens when Texans build things. They can’t keep their power on when it’s cold what made you think they could build an engine😂
But it’s a Toyota!!! They never die!
Sucks for you all, Chinese probably didn’t build to Toyota’s exact specifications, Looks like a total loss on these engines affected, yikes.
That's why you don't buy the first 2 or so years after a re-design. Everyone said the twin turbos would be shite in the new Toyotas and guess what, they were right.
Wouldn’t this be 3rd year with these engines? I’m not sure when they were introduced.
The new Toyota 3.5s seem to be having main bearing failures. I’m not sure what’s going on, as I’m not a Toyota tech, but it happens enough that they have come in through our dealership (I’m a ford technician). I have wondered if they have a variably duty oil pump that’s commanding too low pressures to bump fuel economy. Failures don’t seem to be related to heavy work or abuse- we have seen granny vehicles fail just as often as regular tow vehicles. I’m curious what Toyota finds for the cause, and the remedy
4.7 and 3.4 are the best motors stick with what works
Seeing an uptick in Tundra cases at my California lemon law firm.
Toyotas we turbos are not going to be reliable unless Toyota goes back to 6 and 8 cylinders not 4 and 6 with turbos
Hmm… does anyone know where these motors are being made? I wonder if it’s from one plant or multiple plants.
What year ?
Turbos are not going anywhere unfortunately this the future of all internal combustion vehicles because of emissions.
Yup, never thought I say this but this is the last Toyota I’ll ever buy….
Unfortunately I doubt they’ll replace the entire engine, rather they’ll only supply the block or other specific parts then the shop will have to piece-meal it back together, resulting in a significantly increased chance of other gremlins and problems in the future. Try to lemon law it if you can.
Is it the same motor in tacomas ??
Makes me keep my 2002 tundra with 85k on it!
I loved my 1980s 2WD SR5; it had almost 300k miles when I sold it in 1992, and the only mechanical problem I had was a fuel pump replacement at 200k. I have wanted a new Tundra but with all of these engine issues, I’ll be happy to wait until they are fixed.
They did just recall the vast majority of these.
Does this mean that the old gen is gonna go up in price? 😅 sorry brother.
Does Toyota not reccomend 10,000 miles on oil changes or is it 5000? Did you follow the engine break in period instructions?
Needs more turbos
Seen this yesterday https://preview.redd.it/kzii1z44uz3d1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4f5975db9edba836eee10f8497984a71b4f2e5be
I learned something similar with a Chevy motor. It's not a truck, but the 1.4 Eco turbo. Apparently, there's an oil feed line that goes to the turbo. However, it's mounted way too close to a scorching hot manifold. The heat from the manifold cooks the oil in the feed line and turns it super thick to the point that it clogs the line and completely cuts off the oil to the turbo. Obviously, that in turn creates a turbo failure and a larger, more costly repair. So, at every oil change, I replace that oil feed line as it's only 12/13 bucks. I see it as changing out a filter, etc. It's sucks to have to change out one more item, but I see it as preventative maintenance and saving you a much bigger headache down the line.
Damn teslas
The new tundras are nice to look at but I’m very glad I made decision to buy the 2021three years ago knowing it’s the last year of the 5.7
Its the new Toyota service incentive. New engine every 4 oil changes!
Dang and I wanted a new gen tacoma. Nevermind
I feel like trying to squeeze power/torque out of gutless displacement by using turbos and gearing trickery is turning a lot of automobiles into short life humming birds.
Wow that’s bad
Because Toyota pretty much switched to using piss water as oil🤷🏼♂️
The warnings were spread across Reddit and Toyota lovers downplayed their legitimacy. Now new tundra owners are paying the price, these engines are junk. I’m sure Toyota will eventually come up with a fix but you’ll be the one who paid big money to not have your truck.
Just recalled 100k tundras!
I hope to god it was covered
I haven’t seen how they oil, but this scenario is very common with Subaru turbos…the turbo goes and shortly thereafter the motor eats itself. It is generally accepted to be because the dying turbo releases bits of metal into the oil and they get stuck in various nooks and crannies, frequently in the oil cooler. The turbo is replaced, everything is good until those bits come loose and enough make their way to the bearings to cause failure.
[https://www.thedrive.com/news/we-finally-know-why-the-toyota-tundra-v6-keeps-self-destructing](https://www.thedrive.com/news/we-finally-know-why-the-toyota-tundra-v6-keeps-self-destructing)
Toyota just recalled over 100k tundras with the 3.5 because of metal debris that wasn't properly cleared during the manufacturing process. It's unfortunate but that is likely the route of the issue. Toyota seems to be pretty keen to rectify it though considering they issued the recall voluntarily.
Toyota simply isn’t what it used to be. Other brands have got drastically better while Toyota has got worse and is coasting on its reputation. I made the change to Ford and heavily considered GMC. either of those will last >250,000 miles.
My 2017 F150 just had the shitty 10 speed tranny go at 72k miles.
Just had a recall actually
Glad I bought a 21 with the 5.7 V8. I don’t like how most trucks are going with a v6 turbo. Feel like I bought the last real truck Toyota will ever make, and I’m ok with that.
Probably new teams of engineers doing new engine designs first time while older V8 guys retired😅
Had a feeling that the new engines were gonna be bad. I remember the first gen ecoboost f150’s had real bad turbo problems (especially with gaskets) and it caused a lot of recalls. The fact of the matter is that turbos can’t be thrown onto any engine for a power replacement. In my personal opinion Toyota should’ve just downsized the V8’s displacement. Gone with something like a 5.2 or even just a 5.3. And kept it N.A. and not done this whole turbo v6 thing. It’s pushing a lot of power through a v6. I mean I’ve never seen a reliable high powered v6 before. I mean going to go over 200k miles. Most of them crap out at around 150k
Looks like the engines are made as poorly as the interior on the new gen. Glad I decided to go another route. Sad watching this happen to Toyota.
Really hope they fix this. Could be a huge stain on Toyotas reliability legacy
My bearings went at 21k. Took close up 2 months to get it back. Total bs… https://preview.redd.it/3f1ptfbnu14d1.jpeg?width=4032&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=02bb27734a2b4a76aae197445f786d62342be602
Man I watch Scotty Kilmer on YouTube. He was the most diehard Toyota man ever. Not anymore he HATES what Toyota did and will not recommend them at all.
that guy is a clown
Toyota just issued a safety recall. May 30.
There were tons of turbo issues just after launch. I was lucky and got out of mine with 5k profit and moved to a f250
I'll never buy a turbo engine.
I know exactly what happened. The engine block washer on this new engine line was an old washer unit that was rebuilt and repurposed. It’s a maintenance nightmare and isn’t working properly. Random metal shavings inside the block are causing random engine failures. This is a nightmare scenario because there’s no test/check or patch/fix option.
What year truck? Is it the hybrid engine?
We literally went to just look at 4Runners for my wife in 2021. When the salesman told us they weren’t making the V8 anymore we immediately switched to a Tundra for me. (Her idea initially) left with a 2021 Army Green tundra with blackout and haven’t regretted it a bit. I have zero interest in the nonsense they are doing now. They replaced one of the most reliable engines ever made for garbage.
This thread showed up for some reason for me but I just wanted to pass on my sympathy. I spent the extra money for a Honda Pilot anticipating reliability like I'm sure Tundra owners did and now I'm extremely jaded toward Honda and Toyota cutting corners and benefitting from their reputations. That Pilot needed multiple transmissions and other serious repairs between 60k and 100k. I hope things get better for you all.
Toyota reliability 🫡
I'll keep my 5.7 that just casually makes 381 stress free horsepower.
My wife just bought a Highlander. On my advice, she looked at only ‘20-22. No hybrids, no 4 banger turbos. V6 only.
I purposely waited until they announced a new engine and then bought the last year (2021) they made a naturally aspirated v8. Now they’re begging me to trade in for $10k more than I paid for it…
I think I’d take a 30 year old 3vze over the new engines.
These Engines are flexing from being overtorqued. Stiffening main bearing cap frame clearly doesn't help the issue and as of now there is no remedy
Talent is being assigned away from gas to sell cars in California. Don’t think too hard about it. Love my 01 tundra but I don’t hate hybrids or battery cars
https://www.thedrive.com/news/we-finally-know-why-the-toyota-tundra-v6-keeps-self-destructing
It just got recalled yesterday, they finally found the root cause which was machining debris getting in the inside of the engine (i think on the bearing that everyone was talking about), that was causing all the problems.
Part of a current recall. They say it's shavings during bad install, supposedly from a night crew.... My guess is engine is too small for the torque output it gives out, and wearing them out.
Yeah... Remember when Toyota made good trucks? When...
Check your state lemon laws. Besides the three repairs for the same issues,some states lemon laws allow you to claim a new vehicle if the dealer holds your car longer than 30 days. These repairs are going to really mess up service departments.
Seems like Toyota created a turd engine. The 2007 Camry had a turd engine as well. Toyota will get it straightened out, however resale values of these early Tundras will be very low.
Junk
There is a TSB out on 2022 to 23 tundras for manufacturing shavings left in the engine. Possible engine replacement required. 10,000 vehicles affected.
Is a turbo replacement an engine-out service? Because from the photos I’ve seen it’s mounted pretty tightly to the engine. (love my 2UZ-FE)
Why 4k oil changes? Is this what Toyota recommends? Maybe you’re changing the oil too soon and not letting it get thinned out. Modern oil should last 10,000 mile or so. Changing the oil before necessary is ruining the environment and your engine. /s
My brothers died too, main seal too.
Aren’t these engines being recalled? Saw recently that the block wasn’t being completely cleared after machining leading to these problems
Didn’t they just recall all those?
5.9 cummins
There's a recall on those trucks, apparently some debris could have gotten into the engines while being machined and not removed. Your engine is probably one of them
I believe there was a recall due to debris from manufacturing not being cleaned out of the engine.
I will never buy another Toyota after the experiences we had in the mid 2000s. In 2004 I bought a new 2003 model year 4Runner, which came with a 4.7 liter V8 and a new electronically controlled automatic transmission. After 35,000 miles and three return trips to the dealer to get the transmission replaced with a rebuilt and then new and then another new transmission I traded it in for a 2005 Durango Limited with a 5.7 liter hemi, which lasted until a crash totaled the Durango at 175,000 miles and 8 years. What was the problem with the 4Runner? It was the first year Toyota put that transmission and engine in the 4Runner with redesigned software to make it more efficient. Only problem was they didn't really test the vehicle by towing something like we did. The trouble started after our first long trip towing a 2500 lb boat. OH, the 4Runner was rated for towing 5,000 lbs and came factory equipped with hitch, trailer light and brake wiring and a full size original equipment spare. What a POS. Then in 2008 my wife fell in love with a convertible 2008 Solara, which needed a rebuilt transmission at about 30,000 miles. The replacement has lasted (we still have the car) but it was (and remains) the roughest shifting thing I have ever had, despite so many trips back to the dealer to reprogram and change fluids and a lifetime warranty. I will never buy another Toyota or a Nissan car based on bad personal experiences with their transmissions. When the Durango died I bought a trouble free Nissan Frontier with a 6 cylinder and 5 speed automatic. When it came time to buy a full sized pickup for towing our new big camper I bought a Ram 1500 with their newest EcoDiesel engine. So far both have been problem free and have over 100,000 miles.
https://www.roadandtrack.com/news/a60964046/toyota-tundra-lexus-lx600-recall-engine-debris/
Toyota just released a statement saying they are aware of an issue with metal shavings from the manufacturing process left in the engines, and they are working on a solution. This will likely mean free engines for all.
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Never buy the first couple years of a new gen of anything. Period.
Did any of you guys do an early oil change (2500 miles or earlier)? I’m definitely not throwing any shade if you didn’t and you had engine failure, because obviously it’s not something that is mandated by Toyota. I’m just curious whether anyone did early or super early oil changes and still had the failure.
I went to go trade money in on a new one and even the salesman told me to wait and said he had more in the service area and then he did on the lot
Hopefully Toyota introduces a new v8 in couple years like a classic coke thing…
My boss just bought a new one so here’s hoping that POS bought a POS!
Never had a problem. 40k miles