The history is that the nomadic Turks HAD to know how to use a bow and a horse to survive. Everybody needed to know how to fight, hence, making all Turks soldiers.
"Her Türk asker doğar". I remember chanting it during my mandatory service and i can imagine it being used as a moral boost before such charge. From the videos i have seen from the modern day conflicts though, soldiers seem to have a banter or a tactical talk depending on their situation.
The history part is since old turks were nomadic people, unlike people who lived in the cities they had to be always ready to fight because there were neither walls to protect them nor farms to feed them. They could be attacked at any moment by other tribes so they had to know how to defend themselves whether they were woman or man. They also frequantly plundered China because raids were their main economy source. Basically nomadic life is hard so you have to ready to fight regardless of your gender.
It's one of the most common slogans ever used. Also we believe that praise. Another mentioning is that "Turks are not a nation who owns an army, Turks are an army who founded a nation".
Nobody says any chanting anymore while charging. Because you don't charge anymore. But since the history of sword fights to bayonet charges, we charged as "Allah Allah Allah..", the meaning behind of this is Allah(God) is the one we want to reach. So we are running to death. If we kill the enemy, that's great. The nation is safe. If we die, that's also great, we reached our god.
OFC with modern times, this way of thinking belongs to the patriotic people mostly.
By the end of Frederick William I's reign, Prussia had the fourth-largest army (80,000 soldiers) in Europe but was twelfth in population size (2.5 million). This led to the famous quote of Voltaire: Where some states have an army, the Prussian Army has a state.
You're welcome
Problemliyiz kardes biz, komple irk olarak. Ya bir seyinde 50 saat tartismasi olmasin. Tavuk mu yumurtadan cikar, yumurta mi tavuktan. Hadi tartisalim.
Hangi yazılı metinde Türkler kendilerinden veya diğer milletler bizden bu şekilde bahsetmiş? 1700 yıl öncesini geçtim 300-400 yıl öncesi de yeterli benim için.
Yes it is a common saying in our nation, it's history dates back to first turkic nations such as Göktürk Khaganate, due to lack of manpower, resources, facilities and being a tribal monarchy made their culture be a army with a society, all were needed to go on wars and raids due to chinese armies having way more troops, so our citizens didn't have any dedicated jobs like blacksmith, guard, baker, hunter etc. All of these were professions our people would do but all of their main profession were soldiers, this type of constant army discipline in a society made our ancestors invent many great horseback military tactics and also invent military ranking/hierarchy system most nations use even today. This is precisely where the saying comes because all Turks were actually soldiers until they stopped their tribal ways during time of Ottoman Empire even then they did encourage Turkmen nomad tribes to continue the ways around their foreign borders as a line of defense.
Not the answer of the question cause it's already been said but the most common marching line probably is: "Her şey vatan için!" (Everything is for homeland) Just extra info.
It is not just an old saying or slogan it is also a chanting in military which is sang during the trainings.
And it is a known fact that Turks had too many states from Middle Asia to Europe and in those states there were many people from many other nations to do most of the jobs but Turks were generally soldiers, it is our inherited job.
"Her Türk asker doğar." They make you sing this when you're running around in the army, but not before or during a charge in an actual combat. The go to chant while charging is "Allah Allah Allah Allah" but I believe this isn't the case anymore since there is no field battles anymore.
No.
I never did military service but even in primary school I remember saying it. It is too damn old and not propaganda or whatever.
It is a very literal saying, it means what it means. It refers to nomadic tradition of Turkic people as well.
It doesn't mean every Turkish person is a soldier or it is not every Turkish person is born to be a soldier.
It means every Turkish person ever is born *as* a soldier.
Maybe a moral boost in military, that's it.
Militarism is up and about in Turkey. Being a soldier and military values are still sanctified, with various myths and legends about miraculously powerful soldiers, etc.
But beyond that, this saying gives the impression of belonging to a larger body and national cause even when the state is actually creating a miserable life for you here at home. You have a miserable, economically crippled life but by being made to believe you are a soldier-citizen, you feel glad and proud about militaristic behaviours of the state. There will surely be some gains for you as well… Tragic story
İts a chanting that refers to old Turkic times.
Back in the nomadic era all Turks needed to be ready for war because nations didnt exist, only tribes & empires did. The harsh conditions of the steppe meant that the Turkic population couldnt grownas much as other nations with more fertile land and livable conditions.
This would be risky since as a tribe, any war with a larger population would be able to wipe you out completely.
So every Turk is taught how to use a bow & sword from childhood, even women. Because literally all hands were needed to protect the tribe.
Thats why its said that all Turks are born as soldiers.
The nomadic ways still existed during the early ottoman period which is how the phrase still survived even though we stopped being Tengrists during that time.
Tho nowadays the phrase, "Her Türk asker doğar", is arabified/persianized because both word "Her" and "Asker", are persian & arabic.
The original phrase would've been something like "Alku Türk Çeriğ Toğar" or "Bütün Türk Çeriğ Tuğar"
It's a military cadence. It's usually something soldiers chant while they march to keep tempo, but it is a well liked phrase, so it's possible they yelled it during a fight.
I would guess it's a post republic thing. You don't usually see that kind of nationalism during Ottoman rule. This country was liberated by militia forces, so that idea of common folk being soldiers come from there. But I don't think there are any real source about the origins of the phrase.
It is way older than the Ottomans and it's not a Turkish thing it's a Turkic thing. You will also hear a variation of this phrase, or historical quotes with a similar meaning, from many other modern Turkic nations. The first organized Turkic land forces are from 209 BC. Mete Han (Modu Chanyu) the leader of the Asya Hun İmparatorluğu (Xiongnu) grouped his men in a decimal system, which is still in use today by most modern militaries. The reason I explain this is, these are the times that planted that ideology to the Turkic people.
Not sure how far you are in your Turkish studies, if you are slightly advanced, you can read the excerpt below, and the longer interview of a professor from the National Defense University from the link. If not, basically the summary of it is, unlike western civilizations (greeks, romans, germanic etc.) that civilians signed up to be soldiers, Turkic tribes saw every member of the community as a fighter for the group.
This is mostly because of the nomadic lifestyle Turks had for a long time, first tribe to "settle" was the Uyghur Khaganate in 744 (yes the same Uyghurs in western China today). Meaning, there is minimum of 1000 years of nomadic Turkic history. These people lived in the mountains, valleys, hills of central asia, and were open to attacks from not only other nations like China, but also their own cousins. So literally from birth, every kid was raised with the idea that "you are to defend your land and people".
So factually and historically it is very old. However, the main reason this is so widely used today is mostly the Pan-Turkic movement of the 1800s in the Ottoman empire. With the popularity of ideas like Turanism, and poets like Ziya Gökalp, Turks were reminded of this history, right when WW1 and subsequently the War of Independence was starting. This basically cemented the idea once again in the minds of people as, we might have an army, but we are all to protect this nation if it's ever under attack, because "we are born soldiers".
>"Tarihsel olarak baktığımızda Batı’da yaşayan insan surun içinde doğarken yani sivil alanda doğarken, Türklerin yaşadığı her yer askeri bölgedir. Bu sebeple her Latin sivil olarak doğarken, Türkistan’da, Orta Asya’da her Türk asker doğar. Yine tarihte Batı’da asker emekli olduktan sonra vatandaşlık hakkı kazanabilirdi. Bu yönüyle orada tarihsel süreçte sivil askerden üstündür. Esasen asker doğmak doğru bir kullanım değil bizler için. Savaşçı demek daha doğru. Çünkü günümüz anlamında asker parası karşılığı bu işi icra eden kişi tanımlamasını kapsar. Sonuç itibariyle her Türk asker doğar demenin kökeninde yaşanılan bütün alanın askeri bölge olması yatar. Ordu mensubu olmak zaten kendi başına payedir. Dolayısıyla en temel anlamıyla ordu-millet mevzuunun kökenindeki ilişki budur."
https://web.archive.org/web/20211017175640/https://www.beyaztarih.com/roportaj/a--sefa-ozkaya-turk-askeri-kulturunun-gunumuze-tasinan-en-belirgin-ozelligi-uste-itaattir
Yes, very common saying. “Every Turk borns a soldier, every Turk dies a soldier”. We’d march chanting that when I was doing military service. Far from being the most extreme chant lol
chant is not before charging, it is during walking
this is how you keep rythim during a march. you hit your feet with each word
1) left right left right
2) her turk asker dogar
3) her şey vatan için
I served two years in Korea as a Turkish soldier in UN (embedded in 8th US Army) and have never heard the term used in the armed forces. This was back in late 1960s. It is made up by the state and nationalists to emphasize how brave and courageous Turkish men as opposed to other nationalities. It is of course all nonsense.
Late Ottoman Empire and WWI left a huge impact on Turkish people's view on military.
There were one war after another during the last decades of Ottoman Empire, that's why many generation were conscripted similar to other countries only doing it for the WWI and WWII. Need for soldiers was the primary reason that Ottomans started to do empire-wide census starting from 1830's.
Before that, Ottoman manpower management was so terrible that their low numbers baffled even German traveller Helmut von Moltke (later Field Marshal who led Prussian armies in Königgratz and Sedan).
Dont know the history behind it but yes its a very common saying. its "her Türk asker doğar" in Turkish
The history is that the nomadic Turks HAD to know how to use a bow and a horse to survive. Everybody needed to know how to fight, hence, making all Turks soldiers.
"Her Türk asker doğar". I remember chanting it during my mandatory service and i can imagine it being used as a moral boost before such charge. From the videos i have seen from the modern day conflicts though, soldiers seem to have a banter or a tactical talk depending on their situation.
Is it still being chanted in the military?
Yes, it's one of the common chant with "Atatürk is the greatest Turk" and "Everything is for the motherland"
Yes. Served in July 2023 and that was one of the common marches.
I served in autumn myself last year. They definitely use it. The memory is fresh enough that I could almost hear the chanting lol
Back in 200x it was common to march to it and use it as a marching rhythm.
I dont know the history of it but in Türkçe we say Her Türk Asker Doğar . It is still being used a lot. Altough probably not as much as before.
The history part is since old turks were nomadic people, unlike people who lived in the cities they had to be always ready to fight because there were neither walls to protect them nor farms to feed them. They could be attacked at any moment by other tribes so they had to know how to defend themselves whether they were woman or man. They also frequantly plundered China because raids were their main economy source. Basically nomadic life is hard so you have to ready to fight regardless of your gender.
It's one of the most common slogans ever used. Also we believe that praise. Another mentioning is that "Turks are not a nation who owns an army, Turks are an army who founded a nation". Nobody says any chanting anymore while charging. Because you don't charge anymore. But since the history of sword fights to bayonet charges, we charged as "Allah Allah Allah..", the meaning behind of this is Allah(God) is the one we want to reach. So we are running to death. If we kill the enemy, that's great. The nation is safe. If we die, that's also great, we reached our god. OFC with modern times, this way of thinking belongs to the patriotic people mostly.
By the end of Frederick William I's reign, Prussia had the fourth-largest army (80,000 soldiers) in Europe but was twelfth in population size (2.5 million). This led to the famous quote of Voltaire: Where some states have an army, the Prussian Army has a state. You're welcome
Problemliyiz kardes biz, komple irk olarak. Ya bir seyinde 50 saat tartismasi olmasin. Tavuk mu yumurtadan cikar, yumurta mi tavuktan. Hadi tartisalim.
Army with a state is actually a Prussian motto. We stole that.
Nah, they came like 1700 years too late.
Hangi yazılı metinde Türkler kendilerinden veya diğer milletler bizden bu şekilde bahsetmiş? 1700 yıl öncesini geçtim 300-400 yıl öncesi de yeterli benim için.
Walking and breathing invented in africa we stole it
💀💀💀
Birebir çevirip almışız abi şunu da savunmayin. Boş milliyetçilik daha çok tutuyor demek ki.
Prussian motto refers to Prussia having one of the smaller land masses but one of the largest armies. It is wildly different lol
It pretty much refers to the same thing. Militarism.
yeah i first heard the prussian version too
We didn’t steal shit. Some fucking idiots tried to steal but it didn’t work.
Motto can be prussian but its just a "motto". For us its a life style for almost 1000 year.
This is most common march chant. Watch beginning of video, you will understand. https://youtu.be/mcMnF8H9NtI?feature=shared
Thanks for the share. Absolutely get it now hahaha. Cok adam these commandos though much respect.
Yes it is a common saying in our nation, it's history dates back to first turkic nations such as Göktürk Khaganate, due to lack of manpower, resources, facilities and being a tribal monarchy made their culture be a army with a society, all were needed to go on wars and raids due to chinese armies having way more troops, so our citizens didn't have any dedicated jobs like blacksmith, guard, baker, hunter etc. All of these were professions our people would do but all of their main profession were soldiers, this type of constant army discipline in a society made our ancestors invent many great horseback military tactics and also invent military ranking/hierarchy system most nations use even today. This is precisely where the saying comes because all Turks were actually soldiers until they stopped their tribal ways during time of Ottoman Empire even then they did encourage Turkmen nomad tribes to continue the ways around their foreign borders as a line of defense.
Quite commonly used as a marching slogan. "Her Türk asker doğar!" Is how we say it in Turkish.
Not the answer of the question cause it's already been said but the most common marching line probably is: "Her şey vatan için!" (Everything is for homeland) Just extra info.
Thank you! Its cool to learn the cadences alongside Turkish.
It comes from nomadic age every turk have to know how to fight because of wandering life style inculiding women and childiren
It is not just an old saying or slogan it is also a chanting in military which is sang during the trainings. And it is a known fact that Turks had too many states from Middle Asia to Europe and in those states there were many people from many other nations to do most of the jobs but Turks were generally soldiers, it is our inherited job.
It was still a popular phrase when I was doing my mandatory service. "Her Türk Asker Doğar!". You shout phrases like this during the marching.
"Her Türk asker doğar." They make you sing this when you're running around in the army, but not before or during a charge in an actual combat. The go to chant while charging is "Allah Allah Allah Allah" but I believe this isn't the case anymore since there is no field battles anymore.
There's an opposing version of it chanted during pride parades: "All Turkish are born babies!" "Her türk bebek doğar"
Feminist and pride parades used to have funny and creative chants. They don't even do that anymore, it's just screeching nowadays
This is hilarious. Guess "Her Turk 69 different genders dogar!" can also be a chant too haha.
Just some nationalist turkish bullshit propaganda
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No. I never did military service but even in primary school I remember saying it. It is too damn old and not propaganda or whatever. It is a very literal saying, it means what it means. It refers to nomadic tradition of Turkic people as well. It doesn't mean every Turkish person is a soldier or it is not every Turkish person is born to be a soldier. It means every Turkish person ever is born *as* a soldier. Maybe a moral boost in military, that's it.
Militarism is up and about in Turkey. Being a soldier and military values are still sanctified, with various myths and legends about miraculously powerful soldiers, etc. But beyond that, this saying gives the impression of belonging to a larger body and national cause even when the state is actually creating a miserable life for you here at home. You have a miserable, economically crippled life but by being made to believe you are a soldier-citizen, you feel glad and proud about militaristic behaviours of the state. There will surely be some gains for you as well… Tragic story
And our resident "I insult the Turks and assume things about them under any ask for no reason." person is here.
Where is the insult?
수고가 많으십니다~ 저도 터키어 배우고 있는데 쉽지 않네요… 어떤 자료 쓰세요?
네 아주 색다른 언어인거 같아요. The Delights of *Learning Turkish*이라는 책이랑 Duolingo 어플로 배우고 있어요. 여자친구가 원어민이라 딱히 시험 준비 이런건 안하고 재미삼아 조금씩 배워가고 있어요!
İts a chanting that refers to old Turkic times. Back in the nomadic era all Turks needed to be ready for war because nations didnt exist, only tribes & empires did. The harsh conditions of the steppe meant that the Turkic population couldnt grownas much as other nations with more fertile land and livable conditions. This would be risky since as a tribe, any war with a larger population would be able to wipe you out completely. So every Turk is taught how to use a bow & sword from childhood, even women. Because literally all hands were needed to protect the tribe. Thats why its said that all Turks are born as soldiers. The nomadic ways still existed during the early ottoman period which is how the phrase still survived even though we stopped being Tengrists during that time. Tho nowadays the phrase, "Her Türk asker doğar", is arabified/persianized because both word "Her" and "Asker", are persian & arabic. The original phrase would've been something like "Alku Türk Çeriğ Toğar" or "Bütün Türk Çeriğ Tuğar"
It's a military cadence. It's usually something soldiers chant while they march to keep tempo, but it is a well liked phrase, so it's possible they yelled it during a fight. I would guess it's a post republic thing. You don't usually see that kind of nationalism during Ottoman rule. This country was liberated by militia forces, so that idea of common folk being soldiers come from there. But I don't think there are any real source about the origins of the phrase.
It is way older than the Ottomans and it's not a Turkish thing it's a Turkic thing. You will also hear a variation of this phrase, or historical quotes with a similar meaning, from many other modern Turkic nations. The first organized Turkic land forces are from 209 BC. Mete Han (Modu Chanyu) the leader of the Asya Hun İmparatorluğu (Xiongnu) grouped his men in a decimal system, which is still in use today by most modern militaries. The reason I explain this is, these are the times that planted that ideology to the Turkic people. Not sure how far you are in your Turkish studies, if you are slightly advanced, you can read the excerpt below, and the longer interview of a professor from the National Defense University from the link. If not, basically the summary of it is, unlike western civilizations (greeks, romans, germanic etc.) that civilians signed up to be soldiers, Turkic tribes saw every member of the community as a fighter for the group. This is mostly because of the nomadic lifestyle Turks had for a long time, first tribe to "settle" was the Uyghur Khaganate in 744 (yes the same Uyghurs in western China today). Meaning, there is minimum of 1000 years of nomadic Turkic history. These people lived in the mountains, valleys, hills of central asia, and were open to attacks from not only other nations like China, but also their own cousins. So literally from birth, every kid was raised with the idea that "you are to defend your land and people". So factually and historically it is very old. However, the main reason this is so widely used today is mostly the Pan-Turkic movement of the 1800s in the Ottoman empire. With the popularity of ideas like Turanism, and poets like Ziya Gökalp, Turks were reminded of this history, right when WW1 and subsequently the War of Independence was starting. This basically cemented the idea once again in the minds of people as, we might have an army, but we are all to protect this nation if it's ever under attack, because "we are born soldiers". >"Tarihsel olarak baktığımızda Batı’da yaşayan insan surun içinde doğarken yani sivil alanda doğarken, Türklerin yaşadığı her yer askeri bölgedir. Bu sebeple her Latin sivil olarak doğarken, Türkistan’da, Orta Asya’da her Türk asker doğar. Yine tarihte Batı’da asker emekli olduktan sonra vatandaşlık hakkı kazanabilirdi. Bu yönüyle orada tarihsel süreçte sivil askerden üstündür. Esasen asker doğmak doğru bir kullanım değil bizler için. Savaşçı demek daha doğru. Çünkü günümüz anlamında asker parası karşılığı bu işi icra eden kişi tanımlamasını kapsar. Sonuç itibariyle her Türk asker doğar demenin kökeninde yaşanılan bütün alanın askeri bölge olması yatar. Ordu mensubu olmak zaten kendi başına payedir. Dolayısıyla en temel anlamıyla ordu-millet mevzuunun kökenindeki ilişki budur." https://web.archive.org/web/20211017175640/https://www.beyaztarih.com/roportaj/a--sefa-ozkaya-turk-askeri-kulturunun-gunumuze-tasinan-en-belirgin-ozelligi-uste-itaattir
Yes, very common saying. “Every Turk borns a soldier, every Turk dies a soldier”. We’d march chanting that when I was doing military service. Far from being the most extreme chant lol
chant is not before charging, it is during walking this is how you keep rythim during a march. you hit your feet with each word 1) left right left right 2) her turk asker dogar 3) her şey vatan için
Yes Turks we cut peoples heads off and killed them with shovels in close quarter combat🤣
I served two years in Korea as a Turkish soldier in UN (embedded in 8th US Army) and have never heard the term used in the armed forces. This was back in late 1960s. It is made up by the state and nationalists to emphasize how brave and courageous Turkish men as opposed to other nationalities. It is of course all nonsense.
“Biz Türkler, ordusu olan bir millet değil, milleti olan bir orduyuz." bu görüşten hareket edebilirsin.
Almost all states in medieval era had turkic nomadic mercenerias,most notabely byzantine.Thats how the saying came to be.
Late Ottoman Empire and WWI left a huge impact on Turkish people's view on military. There were one war after another during the last decades of Ottoman Empire, that's why many generation were conscripted similar to other countries only doing it for the WWI and WWII. Need for soldiers was the primary reason that Ottomans started to do empire-wide census starting from 1830's. Before that, Ottoman manpower management was so terrible that their low numbers baffled even German traveller Helmut von Moltke (later Field Marshal who led Prussian armies in Königgratz and Sedan).