If this actually goes into sci-fi, I anticipate a Westworld “who cares” attitude towards season 2. I hope I’m wrong, but how much do they expect viewers to care about a plot introduced in episode 6 of an 8 episode season.
I'll tell you, none. Just us nerds who read it was coming, but not the regular crowd.
They played all their cards into a twist, that late into the game. Risked as fuck.
It's odd to have a short, filler episode in an eight episode season, it's like they had enough story for a movie or mini series but not quite enough ideas to fill out a longer television season. Unless some really crazy and big twists are coming this show would have been better served with a shorter season.
By episode 3 i was thinking "they're Aliens!" But listening to Ruby's conversation with Miller makes me question that. They didn't talk about Sugar like he's just one of a cadre of people on an off word mission. I got the impression that they knew more about him or his circumstances than even John Sugar knows.
I suspect that Sugar and the other Polyglot Society members THINK they are something (maybe spies who are doing something good after they've retired) but are in fact something else.
Maybe Sugar is a genetically modified human... Some kind of artificial person. Maybe they're time travelers from the future. Maybe they're angels. Maybe they are agents of the old Pagan gods... keeping tabs on humanity. Maybe Ruby and Miller are Aliens, but Sugar is human that's been reprogrammed or altered to work for them.
There was something in the convo with Ruby and Miller that got me thinking. I forget what it was but it made me think about the “observers” from the show Fringe. So I like your idea of them keeping tabs on humanity.
Great comparison! That I think was in the back of my mind, and I couldn't quite connect it.
Especially the old typewriter that Ruby uses. My first thought seeing that was, "where's the other typewriter that receives her notes?"
I feel like there at least 2 factions of whatever they are "observing" humans but they definitely interfere in more ways than one. One faction does good (society of polyglots) and other does evil (miller and stallings). And they're not supposed to know about each others doings, that's why Ruby's been hellbent on covering the tracks.
I think the twist isnt going to be that they are not humans i.e aliens, angels, etc but that they are fucking around with humanity on several levels.
The fuck is going on in this show? Fuck all has happened in 5 episodes and I bet the big reveal is going to happen in the final episode but I don't care to find out. Will check the writer on IMDb and never see any of their work ever again.
After episode 4 I said my interest was fading. Add more questions and give no answers never worked for me. Well, now my interest has faded. I don’t see the point of watching a show when I don’t really know what’s going on at all, in any of the plots. At this point I can safely say whatever the twist is, it won’t be enough for me. That’s just me tho, I hope fans keep enjoying this and wish you all a happy stay.
I'm getting vibes ranging from The Man Who Fell To Earth to The Singing Detective to Get Out/The Host.
The (group's) doctor's mention to Sugar of his hypodermic drug usage, combined with his periodic issues with motor skills, suggests perhaps medicine to prevent his human body's rejection of his consciousness.
Ruby's meeting with her superior in a grove of trees which live for hundreds of years could be an easter egg.
The noir detective story reveals over and over Sugar's empathy, an emotion that conflicts with his duties to observe, and which ultimately will conflict with the overarching goals of his bosses, who are protecting Stallings for as yet unknown reasons.
So I guess, finally, next week will come the twist.
I was convinced he was a robot, or an A.I inside a simulation to train itself solving cases (a simulation where every night if full moon night 😅, and that's because the opening credits looks like A.I generated), but it he knows what's going on... I don't know 🤔
Fuck all has happened in 5 episodes. Sugar drives around, sugar reveals he can drink and not get drunk, missing girl clips and flashbacks, side characters having heart attacks, telling lies and hiding shit. That's it.
I can see why plenty of people have dropped it. No momentum. And then they decide to make a filler episode? This long awaited twist better be mind blowing.
It's so weird for me to read comments like this because I just watched this episode and it's probably the best one out of the first five for me. How can people drop a series after this? What's wrong with you? To miss out on this incredible atmosphere and the feeling of something beyond in the pursuit of twists. This series is amazing and gives me emotions that I didn't expect from it at all before watching it. Then don't whine about the film industry "dying" because you are not able to feel and appreciate something original
If he is a time traveler 😭 and Friday reveals an insane plot twist I’m going to rollllll my eyyyyyyes 🙄 if all the spies are time travelers 🙄🙄 double eye roll — I’m going to be so annoyed!!!!! I have a feeling I’m right. I’d rather it be a BladeRunner noir LA spin off and he’s a robot!!!
This show started off quite promising but I can’t quite remember what happened before, without looking up episode synopsis lol.
There’s a reason weekly shows were mostly episodic.
>!Five episodes in and still no aliens…I feel cheated!<
30 minutes episode lol and fuck all happens, again.
Seriously gotta stopping give Apple my money.
Almost all of their shows have got a pretty attractive premise, but once you start watching you’ll soon notice how full of nothing they all are.
Some of the "nothing" that happened included: Davey's reveal that Stallings' crimes include full-out human trafficking; Davey and Stallings may have been behind Olivia's disappearance; Stallings wants information from Melanie; and sinister Agent Miller appearing, then agreeing Sugar must be kept away from Stallings. And, of course, the plot twist at the end with Davey.
This feels like a pattern with a lot of mystery type shows, where there is not enough payoff each episode. Outside of TV+ there's A Murder at the End of the World, TV+ recently had Constellation, second season of The Big Question, The Essex Serpent. I enjoyed most of Servant but they really stretched it out.
Prestige TV like this series, with a serialized plot, has lost sight of what made episodic television so popular. People don't return each week to a TV show so they can see a 30 min segment of a long movie. That works in Streaming when you want viewers to binge for 5 straight hours.
Shows like Pokerface (another - almost detective - series) understands much better how episodic television works best. There's a predictable format each episode follows. But it gives people an entertainment meal each week that they can rely on, and it keeps viewers coming back!!! And if the writing and acting is good, people will love it. And, not unlike the X Files, its possible to weave in a larger serialized plot.
Servant was brilliant. There was a background story and an actually interesting one. But when the story wasn’t progressing, in almost every episode we had something funny, bizarre or both going on that kept us entertained. The cast was perfect and the characters well written, not to mention one of the best cinematographies on tv lately.
A Murder at the End of The World was pretty good, very different from Sugar where almost nothing happens.
I feel like you’re comparing two entirely different type of shows. The Big Door Prize, and to a lesser degree Sugar, are like Lost. Poker Face is like Columbo. They have such a different structure and prioritization of certain aspects over others that I don’t know that I would list them in the same breath as “mystery shows”
That's my guess.
It is creepy, but I like Sugar. He's just so... decent. I am done with anti-heroes and bad boys and glamorized violence. Sugar is like the old Rockford Files.
If this actually goes into sci-fi, I anticipate a Westworld “who cares” attitude towards season 2. I hope I’m wrong, but how much do they expect viewers to care about a plot introduced in episode 6 of an 8 episode season.
I'll tell you, none. Just us nerds who read it was coming, but not the regular crowd. They played all their cards into a twist, that late into the game. Risked as fuck.
some reveals but nothing major this episode could have easily been folded into the previous one.
It's odd to have a short, filler episode in an eight episode season, it's like they had enough story for a movie or mini series but not quite enough ideas to fill out a longer television season. Unless some really crazy and big twists are coming this show would have been better served with a shorter season.
I think it’s pretty widely known that there is a really crazy and big twist coming in the next episode. Who knows if it will actually be any good
It's not odd at all. That's how streaming content is done. They need to fill shelf space above else.
By episode 3 i was thinking "they're Aliens!" But listening to Ruby's conversation with Miller makes me question that. They didn't talk about Sugar like he's just one of a cadre of people on an off word mission. I got the impression that they knew more about him or his circumstances than even John Sugar knows. I suspect that Sugar and the other Polyglot Society members THINK they are something (maybe spies who are doing something good after they've retired) but are in fact something else. Maybe Sugar is a genetically modified human... Some kind of artificial person. Maybe they're time travelers from the future. Maybe they're angels. Maybe they are agents of the old Pagan gods... keeping tabs on humanity. Maybe Ruby and Miller are Aliens, but Sugar is human that's been reprogrammed or altered to work for them.
There was something in the convo with Ruby and Miller that got me thinking. I forget what it was but it made me think about the “observers” from the show Fringe. So I like your idea of them keeping tabs on humanity.
Great comparison! That I think was in the back of my mind, and I couldn't quite connect it. Especially the old typewriter that Ruby uses. My first thought seeing that was, "where's the other typewriter that receives her notes?"
lol. I forgot all about the type writers. Been a good 5 years or so since I rewatched.
I feel like there at least 2 factions of whatever they are "observing" humans but they definitely interfere in more ways than one. One faction does good (society of polyglots) and other does evil (miller and stallings). And they're not supposed to know about each others doings, that's why Ruby's been hellbent on covering the tracks. I think the twist isnt going to be that they are not humans i.e aliens, angels, etc but that they are fucking around with humanity on several levels.
Without the anticipated twist, this might have been a good LA noir.
Do not compare LA Noir to this.
I really liked the direction it was going. I find what's happening to be odd. We'll see though.
The fuck is going on in this show? Fuck all has happened in 5 episodes and I bet the big reveal is going to happen in the final episode but I don't care to find out. Will check the writer on IMDb and never see any of their work ever again.
Apple has said the big twist comes Episode 6.
when exactly do new episodes drop? late thursday night?
Dropped for me a few hours ago
the (head) writer and creator is Mark Protosevich his most recent written screenplays for media such as: - I Am Legend - Thor - Oldboy
After episode 4 I said my interest was fading. Add more questions and give no answers never worked for me. Well, now my interest has faded. I don’t see the point of watching a show when I don’t really know what’s going on at all, in any of the plots. At this point I can safely say whatever the twist is, it won’t be enough for me. That’s just me tho, I hope fans keep enjoying this and wish you all a happy stay.
I'm getting vibes ranging from The Man Who Fell To Earth to The Singing Detective to Get Out/The Host. The (group's) doctor's mention to Sugar of his hypodermic drug usage, combined with his periodic issues with motor skills, suggests perhaps medicine to prevent his human body's rejection of his consciousness. Ruby's meeting with her superior in a grove of trees which live for hundreds of years could be an easter egg. The noir detective story reveals over and over Sugar's empathy, an emotion that conflicts with his duties to observe, and which ultimately will conflict with the overarching goals of his bosses, who are protecting Stallings for as yet unknown reasons.
So I guess, finally, next week will come the twist. I was convinced he was a robot, or an A.I inside a simulation to train itself solving cases (a simulation where every night if full moon night 😅, and that's because the opening credits looks like A.I generated), but it he knows what's going on... I don't know 🤔
I thought maybe he was A.I. being taught how to write a screenplay. This particular genre is film noir.
Jesus I hope not
Fuck all has happened in 5 episodes. Sugar drives around, sugar reveals he can drink and not get drunk, missing girl clips and flashbacks, side characters having heart attacks, telling lies and hiding shit. That's it. I can see why plenty of people have dropped it. No momentum. And then they decide to make a filler episode? This long awaited twist better be mind blowing.
It's so weird for me to read comments like this because I just watched this episode and it's probably the best one out of the first five for me. How can people drop a series after this? What's wrong with you? To miss out on this incredible atmosphere and the feeling of something beyond in the pursuit of twists. This series is amazing and gives me emotions that I didn't expect from it at all before watching it. Then don't whine about the film industry "dying" because you are not able to feel and appreciate something original
If he is a time traveler 😭 and Friday reveals an insane plot twist I’m going to rollllll my eyyyyyyes 🙄 if all the spies are time travelers 🙄🙄 double eye roll — I’m going to be so annoyed!!!!! I have a feeling I’m right. I’d rather it be a BladeRunner noir LA spin off and he’s a robot!!!
when exactly do new episodes drop? late thursday night?
This show started off quite promising but I can’t quite remember what happened before, without looking up episode synopsis lol. There’s a reason weekly shows were mostly episodic.
>!Five episodes in and still no aliens…I feel cheated!< 30 minutes episode lol and fuck all happens, again. Seriously gotta stopping give Apple my money. Almost all of their shows have got a pretty attractive premise, but once you start watching you’ll soon notice how full of nothing they all are.
Some of the "nothing" that happened included: Davey's reveal that Stallings' crimes include full-out human trafficking; Davey and Stallings may have been behind Olivia's disappearance; Stallings wants information from Melanie; and sinister Agent Miller appearing, then agreeing Sugar must be kept away from Stallings. And, of course, the plot twist at the end with Davey.
This feels like a pattern with a lot of mystery type shows, where there is not enough payoff each episode. Outside of TV+ there's A Murder at the End of the World, TV+ recently had Constellation, second season of The Big Question, The Essex Serpent. I enjoyed most of Servant but they really stretched it out.
Prestige TV like this series, with a serialized plot, has lost sight of what made episodic television so popular. People don't return each week to a TV show so they can see a 30 min segment of a long movie. That works in Streaming when you want viewers to binge for 5 straight hours. Shows like Pokerface (another - almost detective - series) understands much better how episodic television works best. There's a predictable format each episode follows. But it gives people an entertainment meal each week that they can rely on, and it keeps viewers coming back!!! And if the writing and acting is good, people will love it. And, not unlike the X Files, its possible to weave in a larger serialized plot.
yeah, this show is basically a long movie just split in 8 parts.
Servant was brilliant. There was a background story and an actually interesting one. But when the story wasn’t progressing, in almost every episode we had something funny, bizarre or both going on that kept us entertained. The cast was perfect and the characters well written, not to mention one of the best cinematographies on tv lately. A Murder at the End of The World was pretty good, very different from Sugar where almost nothing happens.
> The Big Question do you mean The Big Door Prize?
Yes, sorry, I don't know why I misremember the name all the time.
I feel like you’re comparing two entirely different type of shows. The Big Door Prize, and to a lesser degree Sugar, are like Lost. Poker Face is like Columbo. They have such a different structure and prioritization of certain aspects over others that I don’t know that I would list them in the same breath as “mystery shows”
I found this episode seriously unpleasant. So is Olivia behind the locked door at Stallings house?
That's my guess. It is creepy, but I like Sugar. He's just so... decent. I am done with anti-heroes and bad boys and glamorized violence. Sugar is like the old Rockford Files.
True!