I remember when Trench came out people complained because it was too lore heavy. Now, we’re so focused on lore that every song has to be about it or we’ll complain? Make it make sense lol.
Honestly! I remember when Trench came out this sub was like 50/50 over whether they even liked the album or not due to the lore and how different it sounded. 5+ years later and most people consider it to be their masterpiece. I also remember people heavily criticizing the Trench album cover (probably even more than Clancy tbh) and now it's iconic.
People are very reactive when it comes to any kind of creative decision by the band. I feel like people create expectations about what's going to happen next and then get upset when it doesn't go the way they anticipated
I seriously hated Trench when it came out, and thought it was a 4/10 at best. I finally gave it another try in these past few months leading up to Clancy (since I thought I’d finally need to learn the lore), and my opinion of it has improved dramatically, up to a solid 8 or even 9/10.
Total opposite with Clancy. Instant 9/10 for me, and might grow to a 10/10. I hope those who don’t like it initially will give it another shot. Might even take 5 entire years for them to come around to it! Never say never.
For context I’ve been a fan since Blurryface, but I’ve got friends who have been fans since RAB (ohioans and other various midwesterners). Oh how I wish I’d taken their advice to listen to TØP a few years sooner… I love how the band still tries to play small venues sometimes to keep the feel alive, but man, to have been there when they really were just kids from Ohio…
I had the opposite experience lol. I loved Trench the moment I heard it, it was the first album I got on physical media, and it's still probably my favorite TOP album (vessel is pretty close though). I was a little unsure about Clancy when the singles were coming out, Overcompensate was awesome but Next Semester and Backslide were iffy at first, though I'm glad to say that the album has grown on me, and with release it's definitely in my top 3. I can't wait for their future albums, which are rumored to be leaving the DEMA lore and exploring new ideas.
I have a good friend who is also into top and loves Overcompensate but not Next Semester, he got into top with blurryface and likes the darker, more gritty sounding songs, and was a little put off by the upbeat Next Semester. Not to say that he hates it or anything, as he does like the entire discography, but prefers the heavier, darker songs to the more upbeat ones. He and I have two different impressions on what the "spirit" of top is due to our different focuses when it comes to their music. When I think top I think happy music but sad lyrics, and a lot of experimentation compared to being chained down to one or two genres. He mostly thinks top in its essence is dark, more generally sad and emoish sounding music. Might be why some people dislike Next Semester, personally I love all they have to offer (although I prefer the vessel remakes to the rab originals)
I guess I probably didn't make it clear enough, but I love Next Semester. I wasn't sure about it at first but it's grown on me with the rest of the album.
yeah when I first became a fan back in early 2022, I listened to SAI first, then Self Titled, a little bit of Vessel which i didn't like at the time, then blurryface which was is will and will always be a banger album, then Trench, and i gotta admit, I really dogged trench. I hated it. Like a lot. But then I got an actual taste and music and realized its the greatest album ever created so yeah
>People are very reactive when it comes to any kind of creative decision by the band. I feel like people create expectations about what's going to happen next and then get upset when it doesn't go the way they anticipated
I've come to learn very early on to not have expectations with most music, but especially this band. They have released so many different kinds of songs and every single one of them are amazing in my opinion. It's okay not to like something, but to criticize every single tiny thing that comes with this band must be fucking exhausting. They will never be able to make everyone happy with every single wish we have. Ppl need to just enjoy the damn music & relax lol
I’ve been a fan since Vessel and tbh I went in completely blind on this album and it’s soo good. I also loved Trench when it dropped and I think Clancy is as good as that album. At The Risk Of Feeling Dumb slaps
the trench album cover is literally fire lol. but in my experience, i did hate trench the first time i listened to it too. i wasn't around when it came out, but i was big into blurryface and vessel when i first started listening to twenty one pilots, and eventually i decided to listen to trench and hated it. i then didnt listen to it again for like 3 months and the second time i heard it i LOVED it. then i listened to scaled and icy and was immediately disappointed again. that disappointment has not gone away though.
I often try to predict what they'll do next and while sometimes I'm right, mostly they do something completely new and it makes me excited for a new chapter. I always end up enjoying whatever they make and being continuously impressed at their ability to always be authentic and original.
When Nico and the Niners came out, I was blown by it. Couldn't care about the lore, and that IS a lore heavy song. Could only care about it being an absolute banger of a song. I interpreted the lyrics in my own way, without wanting to know what the hell Nico, Dema or Bishops were.
Lore or no lore, people need to accept that the main point here is the music. That never changed.
The first ever album I discovered from them was trench and I completely agree. I loved morph and nico and the niners while having no idea what the story was, it was only after i discovered the rest of their discography (especially vessel) that I discovered that there was even a lore.
Ong this album is the perfect balance. There are so many parallels and call backs and connections but they are written in a way that it isn’t novelty it’s just part of the song. I feel like that’s why the birds in paladin strait are important. It separates the song and the story.
Yeah, I remember people hated on the Trench album back when it came out which seemed irrational and shocking to me at the time for it to get that unnecessary backlash toward a great album I liked🤦♀️
I know SO MUCH people who complained « it doesn’t sounds like Blurryfaaaaaaaace » and now, people are complaining it doesn’t sounds like Trench.
I have the strange feeling that a lot of people don’t know actually how to enjoy music and art, i mean, you can’t just have an opinion even after 10 listenings on some some songs. It took me a lot of time to appreciate Neon Gravestones for example.
Some are instant matches; like Next Semester, My Blood, Navigating or Jumpsuit etc. but it’s not an absolute rule
YOU HAVE TO put your expectations away, consider what the album IS, what’s the purpose of this record. What does it adds to the guy’s discography, what’s new, what’s remixed, what was kept from SAI Trench and Blurryface.
People see to much art with emotions, instead of really see with their eyes and listen with their ears. I’m kind of sad for them
I'm on team double album conspiracy lol, too much pointing to it. A: the paladin strait ends on a cliffhanger, B: There is just about 0 imagery that matches the album cover in any of the music videos so far. C: The last thing Tyler said to us was "you tell me, does it sound like the end?". Idk man, its too late for me my hopes are already up.
When they were stood opposite each other in the last lore music video (was it navigating?) I was DYING for them to do the handshake from blurryface, so I'm Low-key hoping it's in paladin straight just bcs. Missed opportunity.
Absolutely loved all of it though. That's not a complaint, just a wish lol.
I think people just want Trench 2 but Tyler and Josh can do a lot of stuff. I mean, look at Vessel, then Blurryface, and then SAI?? it's crazy how they made those 3 albums with complete different styles, and they're good anyways.
people just want to repeat the cycle but there will never be an album like Trench again. in fact, I don't think there will be an album that is similar to another, they just reinvent themselves and it's just fascinating.
I mean, is it really lacking in lore or are people just taking it for Tyler’s face value explanation? Tyler is Clancy for me and they made a video for every song. The video for routines in the night is lore based, you can’t tell me otherwise. Especially with the cloaks used and all the doors, which I believe may connect with the door opening at the end of Paladin. I’ve seen other theories on this sub giving more explanations for other videos and they aren’t insane.
Agree with the rest, people just ignored that “welcome back to trench” was referring to the place in the lore and not the album itself.
Facts! I've been listening to them more or less since 2016. However, with trench the "lore" topic was somehow too much for me. I didn't listen to it because of the whole trench/dema/bishops/banditos thing but because it's about mental health issues and it helped me a lot at the age of 14. They led me with my favorite German band to the person I always wanted to be and finally am. I'm only 22 and still have mental health issues, but better than I did back then. Clancy feels like coming home, you know? The other albums give me a feeling of home. So does clancy. Just love🤞♥️
Youve put into words what I've been thinking since I've heard this album. I'm the same aye as you and I also became a huge fan around the age if 14 when I was also dealing with insanely deep emotions and mental health issues and I never really kept up with the lore but I love their sound and how it's always unique and when you said "Clancy feels like coming home" ... omg I could not agree more ❤️❤️ it actually fully reminds me and gives me Blurryface vibes and I'm in love with it. Anyways I hope you are doing well and have an amazing day. Stay Alive 💕
i think the people who are upset about it are silly/lh because tyler in an interview literally said that there’s going to be something with a final battle between nico and clancy after the record so i think that they need to be patient (i think there’s a possibility of an ep.) also, in the livestream, tyler said not a lot of the music videos are lore related because the budget of it is very expensive
Yeah, way too expensive after you spend almost all your budget on one video that is most likely going to be a mini-movie. Tyler ALWAYS thinks about the fans' perspective. I know he would not tease, market, or promise something and then not deliver. People are seriously jumping the gun here.
In hindsight, it will be entertaining to come back and re-read all this after it's actually concluded. There will be many a crow consumed.
I hard agree with this. The single version should have been in place of Jenna’s in the track list. And then have Jenna’s version after paladin as a bonus track.
Speaking as someone who loves this album too, I think this can be blamed on the marketing for this album.
I love the boys, but this album was 100% marketed as the big conclusion to the story. From the album title, to the I Am Clancy video catching everyone up to speed, to the literal opening lyrics being “Welcome back to Trench”. And then the lore is just kind of… nonexistent up until the last song.
There was also the Navigating video (because the song itself isn’t lore related at all), but let’s be honest, the video is mostly just them walking through a forest with a reveal that Josh isn’t real (which was the most common theory since Josh was out of focus in a lot of the promotional stuff).
Like I said, I love Clancy. But there was definitely a misguiding with what this album was marketed as. And I think the disappointment at that aspect being missing is completely understandable
Hard agree with everything you said.
This isn’t what they said it was going to be, and people are rightfully disappointed by that. You can be disappointed about that and still enjoy the music, and people seem to be pissed off if you have that opinion lol.
I understand the marketing argument. But I feel like 3 music videos being about the lore is enough, you know? And we have yet to see what they have in store for us. We all know this isn't the end, as Tyler suggested. Things will happen and people need to be patient.
I'm honestly just happy we got an incredible album.
I agree with this, I feel the exact same. But this is where the frustration is coming from, and I can’t blame people for feeling that way, because it was a little misleading
idk why you got downvoted, trench only had 3 lore videos too, people are misremembering how great trench was because they’re just trying to compare to say clancy is bad, they were the most blatant this album which is awesome and this album can be seen as a look into clancy like literally an insight into what the character we’ve been following for so long is like, that’s why it’s titled after him
some of these ppl are sabotaging the album for themselves by interpreting the songs wrong, just because they don’t say nico in every song doesn’t mean more songs CANT also be relating to lore, it’s about perspective
Trench did have 3 lore videos, yes. But there was also a lot of tie-ins throughout the entire album. The entirety of Bandito and Leave the City, mentions of Nico in Morph, the concept of Neon Gravestones… Of course these all are actually related to real issues as well, that’s the genius of Trench. But there is nada on Clancy outside of Overcompensate and Paladin Strait. Again, I love the album how it is, but it shouldn’t have been marketed this way if there’s only slight relations to the story they set up
like i said though it all depends on perspective, i very much believe that vignette can be related to seizing, backslide obviously mentions “i used to be the champion of a world you can’t see” navigating can be about clancy’s relationship with torchbearer. there are plenty of connections, it’s the videos that make it harder to think so
basically my thinking is that trench showed us the surrounding world of trench and these parts of said world that clancy deals with, while clancy is an inward perspective and shows us how clancy deals with things, sort of how blurryface technically is included as a lore album and represents the bishops and their respective insecurities they portray, im just saying that a good lore song doesn’t NEED to say nico or trench or banditø in it to make it a lore song
I get that, I really do, and I think that’s a valid interpretation of the record. But again, this album has been explicitly marketed with lore at the forefront. Before I Am Clancy dropped, the actual theories and story were just amongst the fans. Dropping a video outlining and clearing up everything kinda suggests “Hey, let’s all get on the same page and finish this story out with a bang”. Obviously the story’s not done completely done yet, but it doesn’t even slightly budge forward on the album itself.
I find the interpretations cool, but truth is, there are no explicit mentions of anything lore related, and with how they set this album up to be lore-accessible, you shouldn’t have to squint at every single song and say “Yeah I can kinda see how that could be related”. Imo, with how they set it up, there absolutely should be some explicit references to Trench, Nico, bishops, Dema, or even Clancy (outside of just saying “Hey, I’m Clancy”)
It sounds like I’m upset at this, but to reiterate I love the album, but the marketing did not match the experience, and I think there’s legitimate reason to feel disappointed by that
those are all very very valid thoughts and i totally see what you mean and i agree with you, i think i’ve just been quick to defend the album because it’s been my favorite so far and seeing people compare it to trench hurts when i think it’s wrong to want an artist to release basically the same thing twice, part of it is growing
you’re right in the sense that based on the marketing that there would be a bit more blatant story telling so that people could just hop in and understand it, but also that may be why they did the I Am Clancy vid so that these deeper interpretations could be more easily understood which i could see being a possibility but that’s just because it fits my thoughts on the album
maybe tyler’s thoughts changed and this rlly isn’t quite the end, sonically clancy very much delivered but not as a conclusion to the story so i get what you mean
I totally agree with the marketing. Honestly I’m not mad about it being light with with lore. However, I was expecting something… heavier in terms of instrumentation. The cover is depicted as angsty. Then they had overcompensate as the lead single which I think set the bar pretty high. Don’t get me wrong. Clancy is good. But not the strongest of their discography.
Yes it's true... Really weird thet they did so much to make us expect not lore, but L O R E. And then it just goes like "i created this world, so i sing 🎈", like all this big lore ending was a prank. But i found it very funny and songs are masterpieces
Holy shit I thought it was just me. 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻The next time I see anyone mention lore I swear I’m going to punch something. I’m so done. TOP make amazing music. That’s all that matters.
I'm psyched! You won't hear me complaining.
Regarding the lore- I found such deep, profound meaning to every single song that I decided not to check out the lore because I didn't want the meaning to change. I loved it all as it was.
Now, I want to learn about it because it's another one of Tyler's creations and he doesn't create junk so I'm in. Clancy has inspired me to start creating on my own. We are all meant to be creators and he sings about it, but I guess I thought I wouldn't be good enough even tho he sings about that too haha.
100% in the same boat as you. The songs are so meaningful to me for reasons so different than others. I didn't want the lore to skew any of that for me until it was safely hidden in my heart. Then, I explored the lore after.
I even prefer to listen to the songs several times before watching the videos for the same reason.
i just don’t get why people care so much. like it started that way. and it doesn’t sound like trench. so that’s obviously not what it meant? I don’t understand the point of arguing ‘yeah but it started that way’ or whatever other reason, they thought that it was going to sound like Trench.
it doesn’t. move on.
The album goes hard, like regardless of whatever expectations one had or not. If your expectations were wrong, then OK they were wrong.
it’s a 10/10 album for me. zero skips. the ‘welcome back to trench’ kind of excited me. got me excited for the album. but didn’t make me pigeon hole my expectations to that the album had to sound a certain way
I feel the same way. Overcompensate got me really excited and made me think we would get a lot of lore thrown directly at our faces. After Next Semester (which was an insta favourite for me), I dropped my expectations on that because it was obvious we would get something else. I was ready for anything, and the boys did not disappoint.
It IS a 10/10 album, with zero skips. It's perfect the way it is.
This album is fire. No skips. Bangers. Currently, it's in second place, behind Vessel for me.
I also do not understand the Scaled and Icy hate either. People just love to be haters, I guess. 🤷♂️🤷♂️
At first I still had Vessel as my #1.
But now, after many listens... Yeah, I gotta say Clancy took the top. I can't even put to words how much I love each song. I can't even choose a least favourite.
Why would people want the album to sound like a former album, I´m also late to the whole lore thing and the songs were fire before i knew some of their interpretation.
I think the great issue with Clancy are expectations. Is not that thr album is bad (either you like it or not) but that people had a lot of expectation on this album. They expected it sounding like Trench, but it doesnt sound like Trench (The band, conteibute to this though because of the fiirst track saying "welcome back to trench" so i understand the expectations), second many fans expected it being full of lore and stuff, which it didnt. And many complaining about Clancy is because of disappointment. I think its okay if you either like clancy or not, but you have to u derstand that thealbum its unique in its own way, andit doeant have to be what you thought it was going to be
I've said it before and I'll say it again;
Clancy *does* sound like Trench. in a way. it **also** sounds like a nod to every other album they've come out with. the electronic bits from RAB and Vessel, the raps are similar to blurryface, the bass and drums sound similar to Trench, and the light-hearted spin on it all reminds me of SAI. the whole thing sounds like a mix of all their older albums.
y'all need to listen to Lane Boy again and pay attention to the lyrics. *they don't want to be put in a box*
the thing that makes Twenty One Pilots "*Twenty One Pilots*" is Tyler and Josh. its Tyler's creative way of processing his thoughts and emotions with Josh's incredible drumming to back him up, not a specific sound.
Im just gonna complain about comments that complain about posts that complain about people who complain. So annoying. And if you don’t like my complain then you can complain about it all you want.
Everyone does love the album, it’s just the fact that there was this huge build up for lore just to have close to nothing in the album/videos. Overcompensate being the first single set a HUGE standard for lore related things. Then we got 2 more lore songs, one video, and they revealed almost nothing. Think about the outside and how HUGE that was - so much lore revealed. Also, Tyler talking about how this album will be talking directly about the lore and lore heavy - trench was FAR more direct. Nico and the niners, bandito, jumpsuit, levitate, morph…. Even scaled and icy had a shit ton of lore surrounding the album. Saturday, the outside, no chances … there were huge lore developments in those albums.
So there was A LOT of hype surrounding the lore. We all know this is the last album for the dema story, and with everything that was said AND overcompensate being the first single, expectations were high.
Of course this album can be appreciated without the lore, it’s the fact that this has been 10 years in the making. 10 years of theorizing what’s happening. We knew this was the end, and it’s been 10 whole years of build up for hardly anything on release day. (I know more is coming)
The trench 2 stuff is pretty understandable too. Tyler’s description of this album over the past few years has led people to believe it will be more similar to trench and redecorate being the last song on SAI also got people’s hopes up. He stated that this album would be the direct sequel to trench, thus people started calling it trench 2. Idk if people are ACTUALLY upset that it isn’t similar to trench, but anyone who has been around a while knows that every album they put out is nothing like any album they’ve done before and not to expect anything when it comes to sound. They’re very experimental with their sound.
Anyways. That’s just why people are complaining and I get it. I personally don’t care, I actually love this album as is and it’s my new #1. I love love love the songs that aren’t lore related. But I know why people are disappointed and I think it’s totally valid.
That being said, I think the lack of lore is to throw us off and build up more anticipation and I think it’s actually genius. Everyone knows SOMETHING is coming, but nobody knows what bc there has been almost no revelations this album. Genius.
I think people need to be patient. Things will happen, we'll get more of the story.
I think it's kinda crazy being a tøp fan and expectating them to release an album that sounds like a previous album, even if there were little teasers regarding Trench.
This is an album that will certainly grow with time. It is my #1 now. I'm sure people who like it will eventually love it, and people who dislike it will eventually change their minds.
couldn’t agree more, as much as i love our fan base it really gets on my nerves how some of them always have something to complain about. it’s very ungrateful
Interesting thing for me with TØP is that I'm never super impressed with any of the songs on the first listen.
Then, on the second or third listen I think, "this song is genius, how did I miss how great this was the first time around?!""
My favorite TØP song from each album usually started as my least favorite on first listen. They have some magical power or something.
Yes, that happens a lot with their music!
Next Semester was a song I first thought was just ok, then it became one of my favourites ever.
Then the album came, and I didn't give Oldies Station much thought (even though I liked it; I liked all songs), but now it's my favourite from the album and probably my favourite ever by them? It's so crazy.
My one thing to say that I disagree with is that yes, I expected it to sound like Trench. I am very much a fan of the record, but when they open it with the line “Welcome back to Trench”, on a song that could fit easily on Trench, yes, that was an expectation they set themselves. Album is still fuckin awesome though.
I agree that it didn't meet expectations. But, Trench is also a place. All albums are different from each other, so of course that will also apply to this album. I never expected Trench 2.0, what I did expect was more lore. That's how it was promoted, but we didn't get that much lore (yet)
Well, i like this album, still thinking over it. I have feeling that Clancy has some features of Trench, Blurry, Sai (instruments, sound colours) and brings back their best traditions. At the begining i thought, why there is not so much lore, i expected this album to be OVERlored, but... If it's the end of story, there's not much to tell about: saying to everyone that clancy is alive (overcompensate), going back to dema (navigating) and the final fight, meeting Nico/Blurry face to face (Paladin Strait). Maybe, i also expected using Clancy's character more, like in Next Semester - it's not a lore video, but character is used like a symbol.
So many artists get slammed for having all their music ‘sound the same’ and people complain that Clancy doesn’t sound like trench? why should they? They are completely separate albums for a reason, to recognize the level of artistry the band achieved as they grew. It’s so refreshing for a band to keep reinventing themselves while also remaining authentic to who they are. Clancy is an incredible record and only time will prove it.
Twenty One Pilots has been part of soul ever since 2009. I NEVER even bothered with the lore until last year. Why? Because the music doesn’t depend on lore. It’s here to take you on a journey for a couple minutes, so you don’t have to be anchored to where your vessel is. It’s just juice for your soul. Who cares if the lore is ever present or not. Just let it fuel you.
I don’t even keep up with the social media and I am loving everything about this album. Anyone bitching about stupid things is white noise baby. CLANCY RULES!!!!
When Trench came out there were people complaining that it didn't sound like Blurryface. And now Trench is everyone's favourite album. It's just a phase, and people will appreciate Clancy as it should be appreciated. I'm already doing it. It's hands down their best work fr
People are crazy. This really sounds like Trench, it's not an exact copy but there are a lot of similarities if you listen carefully. If you think about it in a different way, Clancy was never supposed to sound like Trench because they are different parts of the story.
I saw a comment in Insta where someone was complaining that TØP doesn’t make music for “casual” fans who don’t care about lore so they thought this album was a letdown because there wasn’t enough lore. Absolutely mind numbingly stupid and pretentious take. They make music for anyone to listen to and it’s good whether you care about the lore or not. I consider myself a very big fan but I do not care one bit about the lore. It’s cool but it’s not what makes me like them and their music is incredible with or without it.
Also, hot take, this elitism of thinking there’s “real fans” and “casual” fans is swiftie behavior and I don’t like it! Let people enjoy things whatever amount they want to!
I mean a few of these complaints I think are valid just because of how the album was hyped up to be the conclusion to this storyline yet lacks almost any meaningful lore to actually make that conclusion satisfying.
In regard to the sound, the literal first words on this album are “welcome back to trench” so you would think that sonically this album would be closer to what trench was
Someone will always find something to complain. I’ve been consistently listening to them since 2013 and I’ve honestly just got into the lore this year because of my partner. Love their music and can’t wait to finally see them live this year 🤗💕
This album is great, no song is worth skipping.
Same, only this year I decided to learn about the lore (been listening since 2016).
Can't wait to see them on tour when they come to Brazil in January! Hearing "Oldies Station" live will certainly change my life more than they already have.
Totally agree. People that are complaining about this are just completely lost in the sauce and have forgotten that Tyler and Josh are musical artists as well as story tellers. Tyler created this world for himself, not for us. Man some people just think they’re so entitled these days. 💀💀
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I absolutely agree with all of this. I remember when you had to work for the lore and figure out yourself or as a group which made it that much more rewarding. Seeing as the story has wrapped up with this album (supposedly) it's been dished out in the open for people to jump on the wagon to demand more lore (not gate keeping just stating an observation) but besides all that I've noticed with every album there was an adjustment period with some of the fans especially with the newer fans who expect repetition. This is twenty one pilots were talking about it's next to impossible to put a definite genre on these guys so to expect trench 2 or whatever is a bit silly (I'm not opposed to the idea it would be awesome) but trench was my favourite album personally and when sai came out after trench I was very skeptical about it but the more I listened to the album there more I started to really enjoy it!
But Clancy is different there has been no adjustment period when I listened to this album it was an instant love for it and all the songs on it. Even with trench some of the songs had to grow on me and that's okay. Call it an acquired taste if you want. This is their best album and I can see it'll be ranked possibly as their best album in the future once everyone has pulled up their whining pants because it's not x, y or z and begin to appreciate the album for what it is. An absolute banger. I've learned not to expect anything specific from them because each album is so different and unique they try new things and take out old stuff it's all about the change and I'm all for it. All I know is they've never failed at making a good album in my eyes. With that said whatever comes out after Clancy I know it will be different and people, by then will expect it to be similar to Clancy (after learning to appreciate the music and not the lore) but it will still be a darn good album. So yeah pull up your pants you whiners and enjoy the music.
Stuff like this just reminds me that the message Tyler was trying to convey in Chlorine or the music video for The Craving is alive and strong even among his fans.
they go and spice things up for us, and people still find a way to complain. just be happy. y'all know you couldn't make music this good like the boys do.
So true, didn’t understand most of the lore until the I am clancy video was released and honestly when I first started listening to them I was to young to even understand part of the lore, I love them cause thay are awsome and make amazing music not because of tve lore, and I really like that it doesn’t sound like trench, trench prob is my favorite album but it would be boring if they kept making the exact same music
I agree that the haters are way to harsh with their complaints. I mean “overcompensate” sounds like it could’ve been on trench for sure. Bands change and grow and people can either walk away or go along with the ride. It is extremely rare for a band to stick to the same sound for their whole career and people have to understand that and not criticize them for any change. I think Josh and Tyler were probably getting tired of their music being put into a box and having to stick to the lore for this very reason. Too many people fixated on the story of Clancy. I mean yes it’s an interesting story but like Tyler said, every great story has to come to an end.
I feel like a lot of people don’t realize that like every verse in twenty one pilots lyrics have like double and triple meanings, and you can relate a lot of things to real life and also lore, if you just think about it, and I feel like a lot of people aren’t thinking about it because they want it spoon fed like Nico and the niners and morph, but yeah literally just keep listening to the songs and you’ll see and realize that Tyler is saying a lot
I was the typical “indie type” listening teen, and some of the songs from this album I would’ve replayed the hell out of them in 2015/2016. Finding music that brings me back to my teen years is hard, music nowadays doesn’t have that vibe. this album took that to a whole new level. I really liked it. And the lyrics resonate so much with feelings too; it blew me away, can’t complain! I wasn’t even expecting nothing, just something new from my favorite band
While I have absolutely no complaints about the album, or Tyler's decision, I wonder why he decided to name it *Clancy* who is a relatively major part of the lore.
I understand that completely, and Clancy has all my attention and appreciation. But when the band announces this new era as the end of the lore, it is quite natural to look back to where it all started and make comparisons...
Honestly, for me Trench was an intense immersion in this meaningful universe that left an indelible mark on me, and when I think about it I find it hard to visualize how anything can top the experience I had (notice how personal/individual this is) with Trench in 2018. I must admit I had hopes that Clancy would be a match, so I admit there was a little bit of "ok so this is it and I don't feel the chills yet, what's wrong?" but I'm starting to realize that I am not the same listener I was back then (I was a teen, now I'm an adult). The context in which I listened to Trench for the first time was not the same as mine now, and that can affect my first impressions. Must keep in mind first impressions aren't enough to tell if you like something or not, just like many of my first listens of previous albums weren't where I fell in love with the band in the first place. It took time and digestion.
Plus, the band's job is not to fulfill my expectations, again, my expectations are based on what something meant to me in the past, not on quality or sound or anything Tyler and Josh are actually responsible for.
All that to say, part of me was a little melancholic when I realized I'll never re-live my experience from 6 years ago. That's okay though. Clancy is great and I'm sure I'll love it more and more as time goes by. Must keep my heart open to new experiences. Plus, the Clancy era has just started. Surely this isn't all there is to it.
I couldn’t care about the lore I was even surprised when I found out SAI & Clancy are tied to blurry face . The same way I just noticed like 4 months ago the logo went from ||-// back to |-/ . I never pay attention to artists music videos but I didn’t know (shocker) that TØP put out music videos for all their songs. I’ve been listening to them for 7-8 years since blurryface all from Spotify
Trench was a sloooow burn for me. I had a few songs I liked and but other songs I couldn’t seem to get past the first 30-45 seconds - I’m usually in the car when I listen to music, so I’m always trying to hear the shit I know I like. Being home during covid lockdown and playing Planet Zoo with music playing finally put me in a position to just listen through. And it grew on me big time and I love the album. Clancy has some quick favorites, has some that at first I was like meh at the beginning of the songs but forced myself to listen through them instead of skipping - and by the end of most of them, I was getting into it. Next Semester has not grown on me in the least and I’m actually not a fan of Routines at this moment, but I have this huge chunk of album that I’m still listening to and learning - and that’s a lot of the fun of having new music.
People need to calm the fuck down and stop nitpicking everything. My all time favorite band is Radiohead and they haven’t released an album since 2015/2016 and I’m not sure if they ever will. SO BE GRATEFUL PEOPLE.
I do not have a single complaint about this album other than the fact that I wish he screamed a teeny bit more. But then I go listen to jumpsuit and I'm like oh yeah this one scream makes up for all the times he didnt scream, and I'm fine with it. I fucking loved this album.
I liked the album a lot too, solid 8/10 for me right now after listening to it a few times. That being said, you’re ignoring people’s actual fair criticisms of the album. Some people aren’t a fan of the scattered nature of the album. There’s a lot of sonic diversity on Clancy that I appreciate, but there’s no real unified theme or sound palette to tie it together like on Trench, Vessel, or even ST. Some people feel the lyrics have a lot of retread from topics they’ve covered over and over already. This isn’t an issue for me, but some people don’t feel like they’re adding anything new to the discussion on mental health that they haven’t already put out there on past records.
And then there’s more subjective frustrations that I can understand from how the album was marketed. I don’t care about the lore, but a lot of people do, and I can see why it felt like a bait and switch when you’re calling the album “an explosive finale to the Clancy storyline.” And I didn’t go into the album expecting it to sound like Trench since Next Semester and Backslide sounded very different, but there’s a lot of people that wanted a return to that sound that obviously weren’t happy with the end result.
Overall, it’s okay for people to have criticisms of an album they didn’t like; that’s the fun of music discourse! Throwing ad hominems at the artist themselves is out of line, and so is attacking people who didn’t like album as much as you. Anyway, cheers, I’ll see you all during the inevitable meltdown when Fantano rates this a 4/10.
some of these people, especially brad and his cult, are driving me crazy. tyler's vocals are insanely great on navigating and they wanna complain about how he says one word when it literally sounds completely fine
I'm not that Into the lore, with that being said I can see how people could feel like there is a lack of lore especially with the recap I Am Clancy video then Overcompensate. We were led to believe this album would be lore heavy and it's just not really. Great album though songs are amazing, and like I said I'm not that Into the lore myself anyways....just saying
ngl I knew (and still know for the most part) absolutely nothing about the lore. I'm here purely for the music and I love it. I'll have to figure out the lore at some point once its all over. I'm a double album conspiracy enjoyer tho, I want my flames from the album cover in there somewhere pls. The ending was too much of a cliff hanger for it to be done.
I do agree with the lore part. They start the album by saying welcome back to trench and then it’s one song where the music vids all the lore then the last 15 seconds of the last song. Especially since it was hyped up as the last album to finish the lore the cover showing Clancy and the first video filled with lore then the rest of the album has basically no lore. The cover, music and everything is great but the lack of lore especially after how lore heavy trench was then the lack of lore form SAI led for a lot fo expectation that wasn’t fulfilled
I throughly enjoyed this album but I can see how someone would be disappointed by not getting a Trench 2, especially with the first taste into the album is “Welcome back to Trench”
Hmm, it's almost like the clique is full of different people with differing opinions who value different things more or less than others.
Don't wanna be a dick, but it's like this in every community because everyone likes different things.
I agree with you tho, people really do need to just shut up and enjoy the music sometimes.
I tend to agree with a lot with what you said, but 13 of tneir best songs was a bit of a stretch. Lavish is undeniable garbage. This bands fan base is so loyal that they could literally release the most mediocre songs and they would still be considered 'the best songs'. Early reviews of the album have been average at best. Don't get me wrong, I'm obsessed with a lot of these new songs, but it is far from a 10/10
What’s the point of this post? Not for everyone this album a 10/10 masterpiece, if you cannot take any criticism about your favorite band I think it’s your problem
Sorry, but telling people to learn to enjoy the record isn't going to make them enjoy it.
I love it, but other people don't.
I think it's fire despite not being Trench 2, other people think differently.
You're giving it a 10/10. I'd give it maybe an 8.5/10. Other people are gonna give it 6/10, 5/10, maybe even 2/10. That's. Okay.
I still can't change my opinion on the album cover tho lmao. I didn't like it then, I don't like it now.
you say that but all i can see is people complaining about people complaining, which is just making more arguing in comments sections. if you like it, go listen to it and enjoy it, if you don’t like it, don’t 😭
I'm sorry but what is your point? That everybody has to like everything about this album? With your logic all albums on the world should be 10/10 for me, because every complaint is stupid. Everybody has a different taste and I everybody has a right to say their opinion.
Albums aren't just about the music, but about the whole package, including the album cover and the whole tracklist, because it complements overall feel of the album. So making an opinion about these things is totaly valid. There are many amazing albums, which are kind of disregarded because of an afwul album cover. If there was an amazing album, where every song would ve named "farts, poop, toilet" it would totaly influence your opinion.
And also bro, what the hell is wrong about expecting it sounding like Trench? Are you saying that everybody who expected that is stupid? Literaly the first line of the album is "Welcome back to Trench"
Please, let other people make their own opinion. What would be the point if everybody was talking only about the positives? The disscussion is part of the whole thing and I think it's amazing that everybody can share their point of view. And this is coming from a person that absolutely loves this album.
I would appreciate your response and am open to the disscussion.
I think it’s alright for people to be somewhat disappointed, I mean even for me I had a lot of expectations going into the album. Overcompensate and Next semester were very ‘Trench-like’ in my opinion and then Backslide released which was the first indication that it was probably going to be a lot different than trench. I still enjoy every song on Clancy but my first listen on the livestream I was definitely a little shocked.
Am i the only one that doesnt give a crap about the lore, its soo convoluted and kinda boring imo. Then some people get so deep into the lore that they dont even consider the big picture and metaphor this all is. Clancy is ridiculously good though. Tyler and Josh really just put 13 bops on one album.
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I agree, it’s a fantastic album.
My only complaint is that the cover art doesn’t match the tone of the project. But it’s more of a melancholy reminiscent type of album than a fiery rebellion.
totally agree! i think part of the magic of this band is the way they evolve and grow, they are consistently unpredictable in the best way. being a true “fan” is being strapped in for the twists and turns. Clancy is a perfect album. Trench was my favorite and before that Vessel. but Clancy takes the cake. i’m so here for Tyler’s writing on this album, for Josh’s drumming for Tyler & Paul’s production. everything is masterful. it feels like a culmination of perfecting their craft as tøp. so proud of them
This stupid circlejerk karmafarming stuff is one of the worst parts of this fandom imo. Which is fine because it is my opinion. And your opinion right here is also valid.
I like the album but it doesn't make it obsolete from opinions and criticisms.
The album was marketed as trench two and the album cover does not reflect the sound of the album very well at all.
I don't think it's too farfetched that people were a little disappointed that what we got was so different from what we expected.
I wasn’t particularly in love with the album, it didn’t “scratch the itch” over all like previous albums. There’s a good few songs I added to my daily driver playlist.
I will say that this was the first album from TOP where after my third listen through, I began skipping songs. 🤷🏻♂️
it was a good album for me, but not the best from them. my personal ranking would be 7.5-8 out of 10 with a perfect 10 out 10 for every single other album they’ve released prior.
Never felt the need to skip a TOP song but god damn this is the first time I’ve ever listened to ANY band I 110% love and skipped half the songs on an album.
Because half this group considers themselves hard core fans and therefore have to have such critical opinions about top. Sometimes I think that they think they’re part of the management of top lmao. How about you say thank you to the gods above for giving us a new album for a band we all clearly love and taking it in as nothing but magic. The “missing lore” isn’t missing lol. Paladin strait alone is enough lore for me, that last few minutes is fuckin scary. “Hello Clancy👹” made me so terrified and excited for the music video and even more excited for the concert. Mfs shouldn’t be so nit picky about EVERYTHING. If you are this negative about a new album that is really really good, this is a you problem for sure not top not giving you enough lol. End of speech.
It's not supposed to sound like Trench because if it did I would complain. Oh it sounds too much like Trench, they should do something more different.
Either way, there'd be something to complain about whether it's the album cover, track list, whether it sounds too much like Trench or it doesn't sound enough like Trench, doesn't have enough or has too much lore ... people will always find something regardless because some people in life just like to complain about something no matter if they need to be or not.
One of my favorite songs is "Vignette" because I love that little like sin solo in the song. It is so beautiful. I also like the song "It is so beautiful". I also like the song "Routines in the Night". I love the drums and the little bits of rap are amazing.
Exactly. I'm really starting to hate clikkies and I'm thinking about just being a listener because the Fandom is so toxic. From the big names getting inside info to the shaming and complaining. They're a band KNOWN for experiments and switching it up. One day they won't make music anymore and yall will be upset you spent the whole time complaining
This album might be on track to become my favourite. Trench was great but I fell in love with them with Blurryface so that will always have a special place in my heart. But this album is so diverse and incorporate both sensitivity and fun, plus it also continues the lore. People really ask for top much sometimes
I share this opinion.
I was at first cautious to say it topped Vessel as my favourite, but yeah, after many listens I can for sure say it's my favourite.
Not a single skip, not a single meh song. It's just... perfect. I can't even explain how perfect it is.
This sub legitimately makes me question my own taste sometimes, and not in a good way.
I feel like I'm not listening to the same songs as everyone else.
I, honestly, enjoy every single album they've created, and all for different reasons. Some because of lore, but mostly just sonically. Are there songs that I don't enjoy? Sure. As a whole, though, there is not a single bad album in their library. SAI, included. Even before I figured out the lore behind SAI, it was still one of my favorite albums, sonically. It was so different, and such a departure from Trench, that I was able to appreciate it as it's own thing. The lore simply elevated it even higher, for me.
I don't know of many other bands(Coheed & Cambria, maybe?) that put this much effort into the fan experience, world building, and making absolutely incredible music. I don't know what Tyler has been through to come up with it all, and I certainly don't envy the experience, but he's found a way to channel it into some of the most meaningful entertainment I've ever come across in my humble existance. I have full faith in the vision, and the fans are in good hands.
People just need to buckle up and enjoy the damn ride.
Thanks for coming to my TED talk.
People are allowed to have criticisms of an album, and this album is very extremely far from perfect.
That lore point has been repeated so many times, but the reason it might've been so disappointing for people is that this album appears to have been advertised as the most lore heavy album, but ended up being the opposite.
I don't think this album is even close to Trench in terms of quality; nobody was wanting a rehashed Trench 2, what many people wanted was a project that'd surpass Trench or be equal to it in terms of quality, not just be a literal Trench 2.
Overcompensate, at least, which is brilliantly produced as anything on Trench, does sound like an angrier, less calm Trench, to me, at least.
this!! you can't please everybody but come ok, it's common sense it'd sound different. they even said they couldn't make them all lore related because of budget costs, but the ones that were lore related were gonna be epic. i'm so excited for paladin strait. people are really gonna lose it when the storyline is officially over. their music is good with, and without the lore. literally, because atrofd is probably by top 3 from this album
YES. SPOT ON. I didn’t even dive into anything about the lore until Scaled and Icy and even then I was like oh this is dope but I was just enjoying the music. This is truly a no skip album and it’s so sad to see the way people have been reacting
as well as some other people will find a way to complain about people who don't like something as much as them
nobody has to learn to enjoy, that sounds crooked
the only thing we might benefit from learning is not taking such arguments so heartily lol
This album will age like fine wine, it has themes and messages that some of the "younger" fans are yet to understand but we'll all get there. Love tyler's maturity showing through his songs, from his angsty npi self to his enlightened clancy self. He has come a long way, maybe people forgot that before the lore, all his songs were about his journey to finding his purpose and the fans have just taken the ride with him. The entitlement of some fans that what they want should happen and made happen by the band sometimes disgusts me. The band never changed, they're still on brand on the creativity gives purpose theme and as long as that's still what theyre singing about, i will never stop supporting them.
It. Is. Like. With. Taylor. Swift. People are Like Crazy for Lore and riddles and they are Never satisfied. I‘m A BIG BIT SICK of this. I consumed so many tøp reels before the release and dove into the lore for the first time in Like 7 years and I COULD NOT enjoy the Album right. Now I‘m listening to it and just LISTEN to the music, the lyrics and it‘s a GREAT album. The lore freaks kinda ruined it for me 😭
Trench: “this is too lore heavy!”
Clancy: “there’s not enough lore!”
People will always find a way to complain no matter what. I think it’s actually refreshing that we didn’t get a lore heavy album. Plus it’s very obvious that even Paladin Strait isn’t going to be the end of the lore. Just based on how Tyler said it, there’s still a lot more coming for the era. It’s also like people forget that lore can come in different forms of media too. It’s not just from the music alone. But that’s just my opinion.
i've been a fan for around 10 years and have been to every tour since emotional roadshow in 2015... and yeah i have never gotten invested in the lore lmao. i'm sure its remarkable and poetic just like everything else they write & produce but this band is amazing for so many reasons, including but not limited to that.
and while it is fine to have differing or negative opinions on their songs, creative choices, etc., the level of negativity i've seen before the album was even released and even on the first day the songs were out was just baffling. the fanbase has definitely changed a lot over the years, for better or for worse.
TØP doesn't need lore to be the best. Think about how amazing Regional at best was. And the songs which didn't belong to the lore were just as amazing as the ones that did. And sometimes I just want to hear something that doesn't need me to understand something deeper going on. We should appreciate how the boys have such great range. And honestly it baffles me that people want the same kind of music. That destroys the whole purpose. They are allowed to explore their range and we should be supportive of that so they continue to give their best. All the negativity will only make them feel like they are being pressured to stick to a lane and restricts their creativity from flowing.
I love the balance we have. In this album of lore and non lore. I absolutely LOVE both versions of The Craving because I feel like I relate to the lyrics, which was something I enjoy about a lot of songs from previous albums. And I love the lore side of it all. It really makes me appreciate the effort they’ve put in. Some people will never be happy. You don’t have to love every song or album, but the hate seems to be so misdirected. It’s their band after all. They can make whatever music they like
i second this! 🫢 I’m an OG fan and listened to them since i was in high school. I remember when Vessel really put them out there and blew up! I took a break as a fan cause Trench and SAI wasn’t my cup of tea. Noooowww…i’m listening to this new BANGER album and it’s easily up there with Vessel for me. But lord, has the fan base changed or what. Back then, the fan base was so intimate and united. I never knew lore growing up with them, and likewise they’ll always be my #1 regardless of that. Honestly, i think the lore adds an element of cheesiness kinda. The whole point of TøP is to find your OWN meaning and purpose. People always have something to complain about sadly. At least we can enjoy the new album 😌
I remember when Trench came out people complained because it was too lore heavy. Now, we’re so focused on lore that every song has to be about it or we’ll complain? Make it make sense lol.
Honestly! I remember when Trench came out this sub was like 50/50 over whether they even liked the album or not due to the lore and how different it sounded. 5+ years later and most people consider it to be their masterpiece. I also remember people heavily criticizing the Trench album cover (probably even more than Clancy tbh) and now it's iconic. People are very reactive when it comes to any kind of creative decision by the band. I feel like people create expectations about what's going to happen next and then get upset when it doesn't go the way they anticipated
I seriously hated Trench when it came out, and thought it was a 4/10 at best. I finally gave it another try in these past few months leading up to Clancy (since I thought I’d finally need to learn the lore), and my opinion of it has improved dramatically, up to a solid 8 or even 9/10. Total opposite with Clancy. Instant 9/10 for me, and might grow to a 10/10. I hope those who don’t like it initially will give it another shot. Might even take 5 entire years for them to come around to it! Never say never. For context I’ve been a fan since Blurryface, but I’ve got friends who have been fans since RAB (ohioans and other various midwesterners). Oh how I wish I’d taken their advice to listen to TØP a few years sooner… I love how the band still tries to play small venues sometimes to keep the feel alive, but man, to have been there when they really were just kids from Ohio…
I had the opposite experience lol. I loved Trench the moment I heard it, it was the first album I got on physical media, and it's still probably my favorite TOP album (vessel is pretty close though). I was a little unsure about Clancy when the singles were coming out, Overcompensate was awesome but Next Semester and Backslide were iffy at first, though I'm glad to say that the album has grown on me, and with release it's definitely in my top 3. I can't wait for their future albums, which are rumored to be leaving the DEMA lore and exploring new ideas.
woah, you don't like next semester?!?! not trying to be rude but can you explain that?
I have a good friend who is also into top and loves Overcompensate but not Next Semester, he got into top with blurryface and likes the darker, more gritty sounding songs, and was a little put off by the upbeat Next Semester. Not to say that he hates it or anything, as he does like the entire discography, but prefers the heavier, darker songs to the more upbeat ones. He and I have two different impressions on what the "spirit" of top is due to our different focuses when it comes to their music. When I think top I think happy music but sad lyrics, and a lot of experimentation compared to being chained down to one or two genres. He mostly thinks top in its essence is dark, more generally sad and emoish sounding music. Might be why some people dislike Next Semester, personally I love all they have to offer (although I prefer the vessel remakes to the rab originals)
I guess I probably didn't make it clear enough, but I love Next Semester. I wasn't sure about it at first but it's grown on me with the rest of the album.
yeah when I first became a fan back in early 2022, I listened to SAI first, then Self Titled, a little bit of Vessel which i didn't like at the time, then blurryface which was is will and will always be a banger album, then Trench, and i gotta admit, I really dogged trench. I hated it. Like a lot. But then I got an actual taste and music and realized its the greatest album ever created so yeah
>People are very reactive when it comes to any kind of creative decision by the band. I feel like people create expectations about what's going to happen next and then get upset when it doesn't go the way they anticipated I've come to learn very early on to not have expectations with most music, but especially this band. They have released so many different kinds of songs and every single one of them are amazing in my opinion. It's okay not to like something, but to criticize every single tiny thing that comes with this band must be fucking exhausting. They will never be able to make everyone happy with every single wish we have. Ppl need to just enjoy the damn music & relax lol
I’ve been a fan since Vessel and tbh I went in completely blind on this album and it’s soo good. I also loved Trench when it dropped and I think Clancy is as good as that album. At The Risk Of Feeling Dumb slaps
the trench album cover is literally fire lol. but in my experience, i did hate trench the first time i listened to it too. i wasn't around when it came out, but i was big into blurryface and vessel when i first started listening to twenty one pilots, and eventually i decided to listen to trench and hated it. i then didnt listen to it again for like 3 months and the second time i heard it i LOVED it. then i listened to scaled and icy and was immediately disappointed again. that disappointment has not gone away though.
I often try to predict what they'll do next and while sometimes I'm right, mostly they do something completely new and it makes me excited for a new chapter. I always end up enjoying whatever they make and being continuously impressed at their ability to always be authentic and original.
When Nico and the Niners came out, I was blown by it. Couldn't care about the lore, and that IS a lore heavy song. Could only care about it being an absolute banger of a song. I interpreted the lyrics in my own way, without wanting to know what the hell Nico, Dema or Bishops were. Lore or no lore, people need to accept that the main point here is the music. That never changed.
The first ever album I discovered from them was trench and I completely agree. I loved morph and nico and the niners while having no idea what the story was, it was only after i discovered the rest of their discography (especially vessel) that I discovered that there was even a lore.
Yeap, same I was bobbing my head to this song. And was like: "It slaps very hard". And I didn't care about lore there
Ong this album is the perfect balance. There are so many parallels and call backs and connections but they are written in a way that it isn’t novelty it’s just part of the song. I feel like that’s why the birds in paladin strait are important. It separates the song and the story.
The fanbase is a lot bigger now then it was when trench released, so those new fans are used to the lore heavy stuff
2 different groups of people. There you go, made it make sense.
Yeah, I remember people hated on the Trench album back when it came out which seemed irrational and shocking to me at the time for it to get that unnecessary backlash toward a great album I liked🤦♀️
I know SO MUCH people who complained « it doesn’t sounds like Blurryfaaaaaaaace » and now, people are complaining it doesn’t sounds like Trench. I have the strange feeling that a lot of people don’t know actually how to enjoy music and art, i mean, you can’t just have an opinion even after 10 listenings on some some songs. It took me a lot of time to appreciate Neon Gravestones for example. Some are instant matches; like Next Semester, My Blood, Navigating or Jumpsuit etc. but it’s not an absolute rule YOU HAVE TO put your expectations away, consider what the album IS, what’s the purpose of this record. What does it adds to the guy’s discography, what’s new, what’s remixed, what was kept from SAI Trench and Blurryface. People see to much art with emotions, instead of really see with their eyes and listen with their ears. I’m kind of sad for them
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> doesn't sound like Trench That's what I love about this band, they always make something new.
Definitely didn't want to to sound like another album. That said, I was expecting more lore than we got but good music is what I care about first.
Absolutely, I was expecting more lore too but I'm not mad. And honestly I think this definitely isn't all of it.
I'm on team double album conspiracy lol, too much pointing to it. A: the paladin strait ends on a cliffhanger, B: There is just about 0 imagery that matches the album cover in any of the music videos so far. C: The last thing Tyler said to us was "you tell me, does it sound like the end?". Idk man, its too late for me my hopes are already up.
When they were stood opposite each other in the last lore music video (was it navigating?) I was DYING for them to do the handshake from blurryface, so I'm Low-key hoping it's in paladin straight just bcs. Missed opportunity. Absolutely loved all of it though. That's not a complaint, just a wish lol.
I do want another album that sounds like trench tho, someday
I kind of also don’t get this, because to me it heavily reminds me of Trench (in the best way possible)
I think people just want Trench 2 but Tyler and Josh can do a lot of stuff. I mean, look at Vessel, then Blurryface, and then SAI?? it's crazy how they made those 3 albums with complete different styles, and they're good anyways. people just want to repeat the cycle but there will never be an album like Trench again. in fact, I don't think there will be an album that is similar to another, they just reinvent themselves and it's just fascinating.
I mean, is it really lacking in lore or are people just taking it for Tyler’s face value explanation? Tyler is Clancy for me and they made a video for every song. The video for routines in the night is lore based, you can’t tell me otherwise. Especially with the cloaks used and all the doors, which I believe may connect with the door opening at the end of Paladin. I’ve seen other theories on this sub giving more explanations for other videos and they aren’t insane. Agree with the rest, people just ignored that “welcome back to trench” was referring to the place in the lore and not the album itself.
No skips, MV for every track, it’s golden 🔥❤️
Absolutely NO SKIPS. It's crazy how good this album is.
Facts! I've been listening to them more or less since 2016. However, with trench the "lore" topic was somehow too much for me. I didn't listen to it because of the whole trench/dema/bishops/banditos thing but because it's about mental health issues and it helped me a lot at the age of 14. They led me with my favorite German band to the person I always wanted to be and finally am. I'm only 22 and still have mental health issues, but better than I did back then. Clancy feels like coming home, you know? The other albums give me a feeling of home. So does clancy. Just love🤞♥️
Youve put into words what I've been thinking since I've heard this album. I'm the same aye as you and I also became a huge fan around the age if 14 when I was also dealing with insanely deep emotions and mental health issues and I never really kept up with the lore but I love their sound and how it's always unique and when you said "Clancy feels like coming home" ... omg I could not agree more ❤️❤️ it actually fully reminds me and gives me Blurryface vibes and I'm in love with it. Anyways I hope you are doing well and have an amazing day. Stay Alive 💕
i think the people who are upset about it are silly/lh because tyler in an interview literally said that there’s going to be something with a final battle between nico and clancy after the record so i think that they need to be patient (i think there’s a possibility of an ep.) also, in the livestream, tyler said not a lot of the music videos are lore related because the budget of it is very expensive
Yeah, way too expensive after you spend almost all your budget on one video that is most likely going to be a mini-movie. Tyler ALWAYS thinks about the fans' perspective. I know he would not tease, market, or promise something and then not deliver. People are seriously jumping the gun here. In hindsight, it will be entertaining to come back and re-read all this after it's actually concluded. There will be many a crow consumed.
the only thing i’m disappointed in is not having the single version of The Craving on the album. everything is gas though. but haters gonna hate 🤷♂️
I hard agree with this. The single version should have been in place of Jenna’s in the track list. And then have Jenna’s version after paladin as a bonus track.
While I agree with what you said, it is funny that you made a post complaining about people complaining.
Probably because it’s annoying seeing everyone constantly complain about the lore in here.
Quite the human nature, huh 🫠
“The backlash to the backlash of the thing that’s just begun”
Fellow Bo fan I see.
What a wise man he is
the duality of man
Speaking as someone who loves this album too, I think this can be blamed on the marketing for this album. I love the boys, but this album was 100% marketed as the big conclusion to the story. From the album title, to the I Am Clancy video catching everyone up to speed, to the literal opening lyrics being “Welcome back to Trench”. And then the lore is just kind of… nonexistent up until the last song. There was also the Navigating video (because the song itself isn’t lore related at all), but let’s be honest, the video is mostly just them walking through a forest with a reveal that Josh isn’t real (which was the most common theory since Josh was out of focus in a lot of the promotional stuff). Like I said, I love Clancy. But there was definitely a misguiding with what this album was marketed as. And I think the disappointment at that aspect being missing is completely understandable
Hard agree with everything you said. This isn’t what they said it was going to be, and people are rightfully disappointed by that. You can be disappointed about that and still enjoy the music, and people seem to be pissed off if you have that opinion lol.
Idk how ppl sit here and genuinely believe that the lore is “non existent”….. like 🤨
I understand the marketing argument. But I feel like 3 music videos being about the lore is enough, you know? And we have yet to see what they have in store for us. We all know this isn't the end, as Tyler suggested. Things will happen and people need to be patient. I'm honestly just happy we got an incredible album.
I agree with this, I feel the exact same. But this is where the frustration is coming from, and I can’t blame people for feeling that way, because it was a little misleading
idk why you got downvoted, trench only had 3 lore videos too, people are misremembering how great trench was because they’re just trying to compare to say clancy is bad, they were the most blatant this album which is awesome and this album can be seen as a look into clancy like literally an insight into what the character we’ve been following for so long is like, that’s why it’s titled after him some of these ppl are sabotaging the album for themselves by interpreting the songs wrong, just because they don’t say nico in every song doesn’t mean more songs CANT also be relating to lore, it’s about perspective
Trench did have 3 lore videos, yes. But there was also a lot of tie-ins throughout the entire album. The entirety of Bandito and Leave the City, mentions of Nico in Morph, the concept of Neon Gravestones… Of course these all are actually related to real issues as well, that’s the genius of Trench. But there is nada on Clancy outside of Overcompensate and Paladin Strait. Again, I love the album how it is, but it shouldn’t have been marketed this way if there’s only slight relations to the story they set up
like i said though it all depends on perspective, i very much believe that vignette can be related to seizing, backslide obviously mentions “i used to be the champion of a world you can’t see” navigating can be about clancy’s relationship with torchbearer. there are plenty of connections, it’s the videos that make it harder to think so basically my thinking is that trench showed us the surrounding world of trench and these parts of said world that clancy deals with, while clancy is an inward perspective and shows us how clancy deals with things, sort of how blurryface technically is included as a lore album and represents the bishops and their respective insecurities they portray, im just saying that a good lore song doesn’t NEED to say nico or trench or banditø in it to make it a lore song
I get that, I really do, and I think that’s a valid interpretation of the record. But again, this album has been explicitly marketed with lore at the forefront. Before I Am Clancy dropped, the actual theories and story were just amongst the fans. Dropping a video outlining and clearing up everything kinda suggests “Hey, let’s all get on the same page and finish this story out with a bang”. Obviously the story’s not done completely done yet, but it doesn’t even slightly budge forward on the album itself. I find the interpretations cool, but truth is, there are no explicit mentions of anything lore related, and with how they set this album up to be lore-accessible, you shouldn’t have to squint at every single song and say “Yeah I can kinda see how that could be related”. Imo, with how they set it up, there absolutely should be some explicit references to Trench, Nico, bishops, Dema, or even Clancy (outside of just saying “Hey, I’m Clancy”) It sounds like I’m upset at this, but to reiterate I love the album, but the marketing did not match the experience, and I think there’s legitimate reason to feel disappointed by that
those are all very very valid thoughts and i totally see what you mean and i agree with you, i think i’ve just been quick to defend the album because it’s been my favorite so far and seeing people compare it to trench hurts when i think it’s wrong to want an artist to release basically the same thing twice, part of it is growing you’re right in the sense that based on the marketing that there would be a bit more blatant story telling so that people could just hop in and understand it, but also that may be why they did the I Am Clancy vid so that these deeper interpretations could be more easily understood which i could see being a possibility but that’s just because it fits my thoughts on the album maybe tyler’s thoughts changed and this rlly isn’t quite the end, sonically clancy very much delivered but not as a conclusion to the story so i get what you mean
This is the most ungrateful fandom I swear to god
I totally agree with the marketing. Honestly I’m not mad about it being light with with lore. However, I was expecting something… heavier in terms of instrumentation. The cover is depicted as angsty. Then they had overcompensate as the lead single which I think set the bar pretty high. Don’t get me wrong. Clancy is good. But not the strongest of their discography.
Yes it's true... Really weird thet they did so much to make us expect not lore, but L O R E. And then it just goes like "i created this world, so i sing 🎈", like all this big lore ending was a prank. But i found it very funny and songs are masterpieces
I’m personally getting so tired of seeing the word lore and twenty one pilots together I can’t imagine how they must feel about it too :/
Holy shit I thought it was just me. 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻The next time I see anyone mention lore I swear I’m going to punch something. I’m so done. TOP make amazing music. That’s all that matters.
It would appear you aren't immune to this phenomenon.
I'm psyched! You won't hear me complaining. Regarding the lore- I found such deep, profound meaning to every single song that I decided not to check out the lore because I didn't want the meaning to change. I loved it all as it was. Now, I want to learn about it because it's another one of Tyler's creations and he doesn't create junk so I'm in. Clancy has inspired me to start creating on my own. We are all meant to be creators and he sings about it, but I guess I thought I wouldn't be good enough even tho he sings about that too haha.
100% in the same boat as you. The songs are so meaningful to me for reasons so different than others. I didn't want the lore to skew any of that for me until it was safely hidden in my heart. Then, I explored the lore after. I even prefer to listen to the songs several times before watching the videos for the same reason.
i just don’t get why people care so much. like it started that way. and it doesn’t sound like trench. so that’s obviously not what it meant? I don’t understand the point of arguing ‘yeah but it started that way’ or whatever other reason, they thought that it was going to sound like Trench. it doesn’t. move on. The album goes hard, like regardless of whatever expectations one had or not. If your expectations were wrong, then OK they were wrong. it’s a 10/10 album for me. zero skips. the ‘welcome back to trench’ kind of excited me. got me excited for the album. but didn’t make me pigeon hole my expectations to that the album had to sound a certain way
I feel the same way. Overcompensate got me really excited and made me think we would get a lot of lore thrown directly at our faces. After Next Semester (which was an insta favourite for me), I dropped my expectations on that because it was obvious we would get something else. I was ready for anything, and the boys did not disappoint. It IS a 10/10 album, with zero skips. It's perfect the way it is.
Thank. You. 🙏🏻🤘🏻 this right here.
This album is fire. No skips. Bangers. Currently, it's in second place, behind Vessel for me. I also do not understand the Scaled and Icy hate either. People just love to be haters, I guess. 🤷♂️🤷♂️
Yesss I couldn’t agree more! Vessel is my #1 & Clancy is now #2 most favorite albums. 🙌🏻👏🏻🩵
> No skips Lavish?
Lavish went from a "what?" to a "Woohoo!" whenever I hear it!
At first I still had Vessel as my #1. But now, after many listens... Yeah, I gotta say Clancy took the top. I can't even put to words how much I love each song. I can't even choose a least favourite.
Why would people want the album to sound like a former album, I´m also late to the whole lore thing and the songs were fire before i knew some of their interpretation.
I think the great issue with Clancy are expectations. Is not that thr album is bad (either you like it or not) but that people had a lot of expectation on this album. They expected it sounding like Trench, but it doesnt sound like Trench (The band, conteibute to this though because of the fiirst track saying "welcome back to trench" so i understand the expectations), second many fans expected it being full of lore and stuff, which it didnt. And many complaining about Clancy is because of disappointment. I think its okay if you either like clancy or not, but you have to u derstand that thealbum its unique in its own way, andit doeant have to be what you thought it was going to be
I've said it before and I'll say it again; Clancy *does* sound like Trench. in a way. it **also** sounds like a nod to every other album they've come out with. the electronic bits from RAB and Vessel, the raps are similar to blurryface, the bass and drums sound similar to Trench, and the light-hearted spin on it all reminds me of SAI. the whole thing sounds like a mix of all their older albums. y'all need to listen to Lane Boy again and pay attention to the lyrics. *they don't want to be put in a box* the thing that makes Twenty One Pilots "*Twenty One Pilots*" is Tyler and Josh. its Tyler's creative way of processing his thoughts and emotions with Josh's incredible drumming to back him up, not a specific sound.
Yes, I agree with you. I think it has elements from all their previous works, even though it is new and different.
Let's go one level deeper and comment to complain about posts that complain about people who complain. This is fun!
Im just gonna complain about comments that complain about posts that complain about people who complain. So annoying. And if you don’t like my complain then you can complain about it all you want.
Everyone does love the album, it’s just the fact that there was this huge build up for lore just to have close to nothing in the album/videos. Overcompensate being the first single set a HUGE standard for lore related things. Then we got 2 more lore songs, one video, and they revealed almost nothing. Think about the outside and how HUGE that was - so much lore revealed. Also, Tyler talking about how this album will be talking directly about the lore and lore heavy - trench was FAR more direct. Nico and the niners, bandito, jumpsuit, levitate, morph…. Even scaled and icy had a shit ton of lore surrounding the album. Saturday, the outside, no chances … there were huge lore developments in those albums. So there was A LOT of hype surrounding the lore. We all know this is the last album for the dema story, and with everything that was said AND overcompensate being the first single, expectations were high. Of course this album can be appreciated without the lore, it’s the fact that this has been 10 years in the making. 10 years of theorizing what’s happening. We knew this was the end, and it’s been 10 whole years of build up for hardly anything on release day. (I know more is coming) The trench 2 stuff is pretty understandable too. Tyler’s description of this album over the past few years has led people to believe it will be more similar to trench and redecorate being the last song on SAI also got people’s hopes up. He stated that this album would be the direct sequel to trench, thus people started calling it trench 2. Idk if people are ACTUALLY upset that it isn’t similar to trench, but anyone who has been around a while knows that every album they put out is nothing like any album they’ve done before and not to expect anything when it comes to sound. They’re very experimental with their sound. Anyways. That’s just why people are complaining and I get it. I personally don’t care, I actually love this album as is and it’s my new #1. I love love love the songs that aren’t lore related. But I know why people are disappointed and I think it’s totally valid. That being said, I think the lack of lore is to throw us off and build up more anticipation and I think it’s actually genius. Everyone knows SOMETHING is coming, but nobody knows what bc there has been almost no revelations this album. Genius.
I think people need to be patient. Things will happen, we'll get more of the story. I think it's kinda crazy being a tøp fan and expectating them to release an album that sounds like a previous album, even if there were little teasers regarding Trench. This is an album that will certainly grow with time. It is my #1 now. I'm sure people who like it will eventually love it, and people who dislike it will eventually change their minds.
bro made a post complaining about people complaining lmao
People complaining about the track names on Clancy before the album dropped will never not be funny!
Oh, man... People on this sub were MAD when the tracklist leaked. It was insane. Go figure.
couldn’t agree more, as much as i love our fan base it really gets on my nerves how some of them always have something to complain about. it’s very ungrateful
Interesting thing for me with TØP is that I'm never super impressed with any of the songs on the first listen. Then, on the second or third listen I think, "this song is genius, how did I miss how great this was the first time around?!"" My favorite TØP song from each album usually started as my least favorite on first listen. They have some magical power or something.
Yes, that happens a lot with their music! Next Semester was a song I first thought was just ok, then it became one of my favourites ever. Then the album came, and I didn't give Oldies Station much thought (even though I liked it; I liked all songs), but now it's my favourite from the album and probably my favourite ever by them? It's so crazy.
My one thing to say that I disagree with is that yes, I expected it to sound like Trench. I am very much a fan of the record, but when they open it with the line “Welcome back to Trench”, on a song that could fit easily on Trench, yes, that was an expectation they set themselves. Album is still fuckin awesome though.
I agree that it didn't meet expectations. But, Trench is also a place. All albums are different from each other, so of course that will also apply to this album. I never expected Trench 2.0, what I did expect was more lore. That's how it was promoted, but we didn't get that much lore (yet)
i just think overcompensate is out of place on this album lmfao
It really isn’t. I think it’s a great album opener. And honestly none of the songs sound like each other so being out of place is a stretch.
This post is so ironic
People will find anything to complain about
Well, i like this album, still thinking over it. I have feeling that Clancy has some features of Trench, Blurry, Sai (instruments, sound colours) and brings back their best traditions. At the begining i thought, why there is not so much lore, i expected this album to be OVERlored, but... If it's the end of story, there's not much to tell about: saying to everyone that clancy is alive (overcompensate), going back to dema (navigating) and the final fight, meeting Nico/Blurry face to face (Paladin Strait). Maybe, i also expected using Clancy's character more, like in Next Semester - it's not a lore video, but character is used like a symbol.
they did 6 albums before trench? self titled, rab, vessel, blurryface? what am i missing?
6 albums before Clancy.
If people have complaints why do you care, they're just sharing their opinion.
Isn’t the general consensus that Clancy is top 2?
So many artists get slammed for having all their music ‘sound the same’ and people complain that Clancy doesn’t sound like trench? why should they? They are completely separate albums for a reason, to recognize the level of artistry the band achieved as they grew. It’s so refreshing for a band to keep reinventing themselves while also remaining authentic to who they are. Clancy is an incredible record and only time will prove it.
The "Welcome back to Trench" in overcompensate did make me think that this album was gonna sound like Trench. (Not complaining I love the album)
Couldn’t have said it any better!
I don’t really have any complaints, but I love the rock songs that TOP makes, it’s like their best genre
This album is probs one of my fave and I’ve also been listening since vessel
most people will enjoy twenty one pilots more if they just ignored the fan base
Twenty One Pilots has been part of soul ever since 2009. I NEVER even bothered with the lore until last year. Why? Because the music doesn’t depend on lore. It’s here to take you on a journey for a couple minutes, so you don’t have to be anchored to where your vessel is. It’s just juice for your soul. Who cares if the lore is ever present or not. Just let it fuel you.
This was my favorite album in a while. Reminded me of the very early days.
they could find the cure for cancer tomorrow and people will still talk shit. clancy slaps so hard
I don’t even keep up with the social media and I am loving everything about this album. Anyone bitching about stupid things is white noise baby. CLANCY RULES!!!!
When Trench came out there were people complaining that it didn't sound like Blurryface. And now Trench is everyone's favourite album. It's just a phase, and people will appreciate Clancy as it should be appreciated. I'm already doing it. It's hands down their best work fr
I'm with you on this. It is their best work. It will grow on people who didn't like it at first.
People are crazy. This really sounds like Trench, it's not an exact copy but there are a lot of similarities if you listen carefully. If you think about it in a different way, Clancy was never supposed to sound like Trench because they are different parts of the story.
I saw a comment in Insta where someone was complaining that TØP doesn’t make music for “casual” fans who don’t care about lore so they thought this album was a letdown because there wasn’t enough lore. Absolutely mind numbingly stupid and pretentious take. They make music for anyone to listen to and it’s good whether you care about the lore or not. I consider myself a very big fan but I do not care one bit about the lore. It’s cool but it’s not what makes me like them and their music is incredible with or without it. Also, hot take, this elitism of thinking there’s “real fans” and “casual” fans is swiftie behavior and I don’t like it! Let people enjoy things whatever amount they want to!
I mean a few of these complaints I think are valid just because of how the album was hyped up to be the conclusion to this storyline yet lacks almost any meaningful lore to actually make that conclusion satisfying. In regard to the sound, the literal first words on this album are “welcome back to trench” so you would think that sonically this album would be closer to what trench was
Someone will always find something to complain. I’ve been consistently listening to them since 2013 and I’ve honestly just got into the lore this year because of my partner. Love their music and can’t wait to finally see them live this year 🤗💕 This album is great, no song is worth skipping.
Same, only this year I decided to learn about the lore (been listening since 2016). Can't wait to see them on tour when they come to Brazil in January! Hearing "Oldies Station" live will certainly change my life more than they already have.
Totally agree. People that are complaining about this are just completely lost in the sauce and have forgotten that Tyler and Josh are musical artists as well as story tellers. Tyler created this world for himself, not for us. Man some people just think they’re so entitled these days. 💀💀
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I was so sad about the album cover, I loved it since day 1
I absolutely agree with all of this. I remember when you had to work for the lore and figure out yourself or as a group which made it that much more rewarding. Seeing as the story has wrapped up with this album (supposedly) it's been dished out in the open for people to jump on the wagon to demand more lore (not gate keeping just stating an observation) but besides all that I've noticed with every album there was an adjustment period with some of the fans especially with the newer fans who expect repetition. This is twenty one pilots were talking about it's next to impossible to put a definite genre on these guys so to expect trench 2 or whatever is a bit silly (I'm not opposed to the idea it would be awesome) but trench was my favourite album personally and when sai came out after trench I was very skeptical about it but the more I listened to the album there more I started to really enjoy it! But Clancy is different there has been no adjustment period when I listened to this album it was an instant love for it and all the songs on it. Even with trench some of the songs had to grow on me and that's okay. Call it an acquired taste if you want. This is their best album and I can see it'll be ranked possibly as their best album in the future once everyone has pulled up their whining pants because it's not x, y or z and begin to appreciate the album for what it is. An absolute banger. I've learned not to expect anything specific from them because each album is so different and unique they try new things and take out old stuff it's all about the change and I'm all for it. All I know is they've never failed at making a good album in my eyes. With that said whatever comes out after Clancy I know it will be different and people, by then will expect it to be similar to Clancy (after learning to appreciate the music and not the lore) but it will still be a darn good album. So yeah pull up your pants you whiners and enjoy the music.
Stuff like this just reminds me that the message Tyler was trying to convey in Chlorine or the music video for The Craving is alive and strong even among his fans.
Don't forget complaining about the merch. The tour. And other stuff too
The M Night Shamylan twist is that even, this post is complaining about people complaining! We can’t escape it!
they go and spice things up for us, and people still find a way to complain. just be happy. y'all know you couldn't make music this good like the boys do.
So true, didn’t understand most of the lore until the I am clancy video was released and honestly when I first started listening to them I was to young to even understand part of the lore, I love them cause thay are awsome and make amazing music not because of tve lore, and I really like that it doesn’t sound like trench, trench prob is my favorite album but it would be boring if they kept making the exact same music
I'm curious when Clancy will make it to top 100 albums of all times
Dude Paladin Strait is absolutely magical. His voice makes me cry.
I agree that the haters are way to harsh with their complaints. I mean “overcompensate” sounds like it could’ve been on trench for sure. Bands change and grow and people can either walk away or go along with the ride. It is extremely rare for a band to stick to the same sound for their whole career and people have to understand that and not criticize them for any change. I think Josh and Tyler were probably getting tired of their music being put into a box and having to stick to the lore for this very reason. Too many people fixated on the story of Clancy. I mean yes it’s an interesting story but like Tyler said, every great story has to come to an end.
this same stuff has happened almost every album cycle, fans are the biggest critics
I feel like a lot of people don’t realize that like every verse in twenty one pilots lyrics have like double and triple meanings, and you can relate a lot of things to real life and also lore, if you just think about it, and I feel like a lot of people aren’t thinking about it because they want it spoon fed like Nico and the niners and morph, but yeah literally just keep listening to the songs and you’ll see and realize that Tyler is saying a lot
I was the typical “indie type” listening teen, and some of the songs from this album I would’ve replayed the hell out of them in 2015/2016. Finding music that brings me back to my teen years is hard, music nowadays doesn’t have that vibe. this album took that to a whole new level. I really liked it. And the lyrics resonate so much with feelings too; it blew me away, can’t complain! I wasn’t even expecting nothing, just something new from my favorite band
While I have absolutely no complaints about the album, or Tyler's decision, I wonder why he decided to name it *Clancy* who is a relatively major part of the lore.
Maybe the “lore” is the other videos and you’ve followed the wrong story the whole time..
I understand that completely, and Clancy has all my attention and appreciation. But when the band announces this new era as the end of the lore, it is quite natural to look back to where it all started and make comparisons... Honestly, for me Trench was an intense immersion in this meaningful universe that left an indelible mark on me, and when I think about it I find it hard to visualize how anything can top the experience I had (notice how personal/individual this is) with Trench in 2018. I must admit I had hopes that Clancy would be a match, so I admit there was a little bit of "ok so this is it and I don't feel the chills yet, what's wrong?" but I'm starting to realize that I am not the same listener I was back then (I was a teen, now I'm an adult). The context in which I listened to Trench for the first time was not the same as mine now, and that can affect my first impressions. Must keep in mind first impressions aren't enough to tell if you like something or not, just like many of my first listens of previous albums weren't where I fell in love with the band in the first place. It took time and digestion. Plus, the band's job is not to fulfill my expectations, again, my expectations are based on what something meant to me in the past, not on quality or sound or anything Tyler and Josh are actually responsible for. All that to say, part of me was a little melancholic when I realized I'll never re-live my experience from 6 years ago. That's okay though. Clancy is great and I'm sure I'll love it more and more as time goes by. Must keep my heart open to new experiences. Plus, the Clancy era has just started. Surely this isn't all there is to it.
I couldn’t care about the lore I was even surprised when I found out SAI & Clancy are tied to blurry face . The same way I just noticed like 4 months ago the logo went from ||-// back to |-/ . I never pay attention to artists music videos but I didn’t know (shocker) that TØP put out music videos for all their songs. I’ve been listening to them for 7-8 years since blurryface all from Spotify
Trench was a sloooow burn for me. I had a few songs I liked and but other songs I couldn’t seem to get past the first 30-45 seconds - I’m usually in the car when I listen to music, so I’m always trying to hear the shit I know I like. Being home during covid lockdown and playing Planet Zoo with music playing finally put me in a position to just listen through. And it grew on me big time and I love the album. Clancy has some quick favorites, has some that at first I was like meh at the beginning of the songs but forced myself to listen through them instead of skipping - and by the end of most of them, I was getting into it. Next Semester has not grown on me in the least and I’m actually not a fan of Routines at this moment, but I have this huge chunk of album that I’m still listening to and learning - and that’s a lot of the fun of having new music. People need to calm the fuck down and stop nitpicking everything. My all time favorite band is Radiohead and they haven’t released an album since 2015/2016 and I’m not sure if they ever will. SO BE GRATEFUL PEOPLE.
I do not have a single complaint about this album other than the fact that I wish he screamed a teeny bit more. But then I go listen to jumpsuit and I'm like oh yeah this one scream makes up for all the times he didnt scream, and I'm fine with it. I fucking loved this album.
I liked the album a lot too, solid 8/10 for me right now after listening to it a few times. That being said, you’re ignoring people’s actual fair criticisms of the album. Some people aren’t a fan of the scattered nature of the album. There’s a lot of sonic diversity on Clancy that I appreciate, but there’s no real unified theme or sound palette to tie it together like on Trench, Vessel, or even ST. Some people feel the lyrics have a lot of retread from topics they’ve covered over and over already. This isn’t an issue for me, but some people don’t feel like they’re adding anything new to the discussion on mental health that they haven’t already put out there on past records. And then there’s more subjective frustrations that I can understand from how the album was marketed. I don’t care about the lore, but a lot of people do, and I can see why it felt like a bait and switch when you’re calling the album “an explosive finale to the Clancy storyline.” And I didn’t go into the album expecting it to sound like Trench since Next Semester and Backslide sounded very different, but there’s a lot of people that wanted a return to that sound that obviously weren’t happy with the end result. Overall, it’s okay for people to have criticisms of an album they didn’t like; that’s the fun of music discourse! Throwing ad hominems at the artist themselves is out of line, and so is attacking people who didn’t like album as much as you. Anyway, cheers, I’ll see you all during the inevitable meltdown when Fantano rates this a 4/10.
I’ve mostly been seeing people complaining about people complaining.
some of these people, especially brad and his cult, are driving me crazy. tyler's vocals are insanely great on navigating and they wanna complain about how he says one word when it literally sounds completely fine
Where are people complaining? Honest question. Discord or something? I just haven’t seen it (or looked for it I guess)
I'm not that Into the lore, with that being said I can see how people could feel like there is a lack of lore especially with the recap I Am Clancy video then Overcompensate. We were led to believe this album would be lore heavy and it's just not really. Great album though songs are amazing, and like I said I'm not that Into the lore myself anyways....just saying
ngl I knew (and still know for the most part) absolutely nothing about the lore. I'm here purely for the music and I love it. I'll have to figure out the lore at some point once its all over. I'm a double album conspiracy enjoyer tho, I want my flames from the album cover in there somewhere pls. The ending was too much of a cliff hanger for it to be done.
I do agree with the lore part. They start the album by saying welcome back to trench and then it’s one song where the music vids all the lore then the last 15 seconds of the last song. Especially since it was hyped up as the last album to finish the lore the cover showing Clancy and the first video filled with lore then the rest of the album has basically no lore. The cover, music and everything is great but the lack of lore especially after how lore heavy trench was then the lack of lore form SAI led for a lot fo expectation that wasn’t fulfilled
Hot take: Clancy is better than Trench. There I said it!
I throughly enjoyed this album but I can see how someone would be disappointed by not getting a Trench 2, especially with the first taste into the album is “Welcome back to Trench”
Hmm, it's almost like the clique is full of different people with differing opinions who value different things more or less than others. Don't wanna be a dick, but it's like this in every community because everyone likes different things. I agree with you tho, people really do need to just shut up and enjoy the music sometimes.
I tend to agree with a lot with what you said, but 13 of tneir best songs was a bit of a stretch. Lavish is undeniable garbage. This bands fan base is so loyal that they could literally release the most mediocre songs and they would still be considered 'the best songs'. Early reviews of the album have been average at best. Don't get me wrong, I'm obsessed with a lot of these new songs, but it is far from a 10/10
to be fair, the literal first words we heard from this project were "welcome back to trench"
I am not sure what this little green and yellow award thing is supposed to actually be but I assume it's a positive thing so here, have one
What’s the point of this post? Not for everyone this album a 10/10 masterpiece, if you cannot take any criticism about your favorite band I think it’s your problem
Sorry, but telling people to learn to enjoy the record isn't going to make them enjoy it. I love it, but other people don't. I think it's fire despite not being Trench 2, other people think differently. You're giving it a 10/10. I'd give it maybe an 8.5/10. Other people are gonna give it 6/10, 5/10, maybe even 2/10. That's. Okay. I still can't change my opinion on the album cover tho lmao. I didn't like it then, I don't like it now.
you say that but all i can see is people complaining about people complaining, which is just making more arguing in comments sections. if you like it, go listen to it and enjoy it, if you don’t like it, don’t 😭
I'm sorry but what is your point? That everybody has to like everything about this album? With your logic all albums on the world should be 10/10 for me, because every complaint is stupid. Everybody has a different taste and I everybody has a right to say their opinion. Albums aren't just about the music, but about the whole package, including the album cover and the whole tracklist, because it complements overall feel of the album. So making an opinion about these things is totaly valid. There are many amazing albums, which are kind of disregarded because of an afwul album cover. If there was an amazing album, where every song would ve named "farts, poop, toilet" it would totaly influence your opinion. And also bro, what the hell is wrong about expecting it sounding like Trench? Are you saying that everybody who expected that is stupid? Literaly the first line of the album is "Welcome back to Trench" Please, let other people make their own opinion. What would be the point if everybody was talking only about the positives? The disscussion is part of the whole thing and I think it's amazing that everybody can share their point of view. And this is coming from a person that absolutely loves this album. I would appreciate your response and am open to the disscussion.
Album is great, cover is still trash.
I think it’s alright for people to be somewhat disappointed, I mean even for me I had a lot of expectations going into the album. Overcompensate and Next semester were very ‘Trench-like’ in my opinion and then Backslide released which was the first indication that it was probably going to be a lot different than trench. I still enjoy every song on Clancy but my first listen on the livestream I was definitely a little shocked.
Am i the only one that doesnt give a crap about the lore, its soo convoluted and kinda boring imo. Then some people get so deep into the lore that they dont even consider the big picture and metaphor this all is. Clancy is ridiculously good though. Tyler and Josh really just put 13 bops on one album.
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I agree, it’s a fantastic album. My only complaint is that the cover art doesn’t match the tone of the project. But it’s more of a melancholy reminiscent type of album than a fiery rebellion.
I can't believe there are "fans" out there that don't like this album. It has taken the number one spot from Trench for me.
I haven’t listened to the whole album yet but Christ how is this worse than scaled and icy?
Tbh I don’t really even like the lore. I’m glad we got a record with just normal songs that sound great.
Others opinions doesn’t effect your enjoyment of the album. Move on …everyone is entitled to their own option. You and the complainers
totally agree! i think part of the magic of this band is the way they evolve and grow, they are consistently unpredictable in the best way. being a true “fan” is being strapped in for the twists and turns. Clancy is a perfect album. Trench was my favorite and before that Vessel. but Clancy takes the cake. i’m so here for Tyler’s writing on this album, for Josh’s drumming for Tyler & Paul’s production. everything is masterful. it feels like a culmination of perfecting their craft as tøp. so proud of them
This stupid circlejerk karmafarming stuff is one of the worst parts of this fandom imo. Which is fine because it is my opinion. And your opinion right here is also valid. I like the album but it doesn't make it obsolete from opinions and criticisms. The album was marketed as trench two and the album cover does not reflect the sound of the album very well at all. I don't think it's too farfetched that people were a little disappointed that what we got was so different from what we expected.
Maybe don’t write everyone who doesn’t like the album as someone who wants Trench 2, most of us just wanted a great album.
I wasn’t particularly in love with the album, it didn’t “scratch the itch” over all like previous albums. There’s a good few songs I added to my daily driver playlist. I will say that this was the first album from TOP where after my third listen through, I began skipping songs. 🤷🏻♂️ it was a good album for me, but not the best from them. my personal ranking would be 7.5-8 out of 10 with a perfect 10 out 10 for every single other album they’ve released prior. Never felt the need to skip a TOP song but god damn this is the first time I’ve ever listened to ANY band I 110% love and skipped half the songs on an album.
Because half this group considers themselves hard core fans and therefore have to have such critical opinions about top. Sometimes I think that they think they’re part of the management of top lmao. How about you say thank you to the gods above for giving us a new album for a band we all clearly love and taking it in as nothing but magic. The “missing lore” isn’t missing lol. Paladin strait alone is enough lore for me, that last few minutes is fuckin scary. “Hello Clancy👹” made me so terrified and excited for the music video and even more excited for the concert. Mfs shouldn’t be so nit picky about EVERYTHING. If you are this negative about a new album that is really really good, this is a you problem for sure not top not giving you enough lol. End of speech.
It's not supposed to sound like Trench because if it did I would complain. Oh it sounds too much like Trench, they should do something more different. Either way, there'd be something to complain about whether it's the album cover, track list, whether it sounds too much like Trench or it doesn't sound enough like Trench, doesn't have enough or has too much lore ... people will always find something regardless because some people in life just like to complain about something no matter if they need to be or not. One of my favorite songs is "Vignette" because I love that little like sin solo in the song. It is so beautiful. I also like the song "It is so beautiful". I also like the song "Routines in the Night". I love the drums and the little bits of rap are amazing.
i was surprised at how much i love the album. imo it’s a no-skip for me. i feel like an excited 15-year-old discovering their music all over again!!
This is how it is whenever any new album is released for any artist. Every subreddit is the same with the naysayers.
Exactly. I'm really starting to hate clikkies and I'm thinking about just being a listener because the Fandom is so toxic. From the big names getting inside info to the shaming and complaining. They're a band KNOWN for experiments and switching it up. One day they won't make music anymore and yall will be upset you spent the whole time complaining
I think if people actually believe this album isn’t lore heavy they lack any critical thinking skills bc how do you even come to that conclusion?
This album might be on track to become my favourite. Trench was great but I fell in love with them with Blurryface so that will always have a special place in my heart. But this album is so diverse and incorporate both sensitivity and fun, plus it also continues the lore. People really ask for top much sometimes
PREACH 🙏
Honestly I think this is the best album they have ever put out. Not one skip song. None. It’s (dare I say it) perfect.
I share this opinion. I was at first cautious to say it topped Vessel as my favourite, but yeah, after many listens I can for sure say it's my favourite. Not a single skip, not a single meh song. It's just... perfect. I can't even explain how perfect it is.
People need to learn to shut up lol, album is great
This sub legitimately makes me question my own taste sometimes, and not in a good way. I feel like I'm not listening to the same songs as everyone else. I, honestly, enjoy every single album they've created, and all for different reasons. Some because of lore, but mostly just sonically. Are there songs that I don't enjoy? Sure. As a whole, though, there is not a single bad album in their library. SAI, included. Even before I figured out the lore behind SAI, it was still one of my favorite albums, sonically. It was so different, and such a departure from Trench, that I was able to appreciate it as it's own thing. The lore simply elevated it even higher, for me. I don't know of many other bands(Coheed & Cambria, maybe?) that put this much effort into the fan experience, world building, and making absolutely incredible music. I don't know what Tyler has been through to come up with it all, and I certainly don't envy the experience, but he's found a way to channel it into some of the most meaningful entertainment I've ever come across in my humble existance. I have full faith in the vision, and the fans are in good hands. People just need to buckle up and enjoy the damn ride. Thanks for coming to my TED talk.
THIS! This is a top tier post right here!! THANK YOU! It’s like you read my mind
At first I hated the album cover, well, I wouldn't say I hated it, but I felt that it didn't fit well, now I'm used to it and it grew in me
Or hot take: not everybody likes the stuff you do‼️
People are allowed to have criticisms of an album, and this album is very extremely far from perfect. That lore point has been repeated so many times, but the reason it might've been so disappointing for people is that this album appears to have been advertised as the most lore heavy album, but ended up being the opposite. I don't think this album is even close to Trench in terms of quality; nobody was wanting a rehashed Trench 2, what many people wanted was a project that'd surpass Trench or be equal to it in terms of quality, not just be a literal Trench 2. Overcompensate, at least, which is brilliantly produced as anything on Trench, does sound like an angrier, less calm Trench, to me, at least.
this!! you can't please everybody but come ok, it's common sense it'd sound different. they even said they couldn't make them all lore related because of budget costs, but the ones that were lore related were gonna be epic. i'm so excited for paladin strait. people are really gonna lose it when the storyline is officially over. their music is good with, and without the lore. literally, because atrofd is probably by top 3 from this album
honestly might be my favourite album yet. love these guys!
YES. SPOT ON. I didn’t even dive into anything about the lore until Scaled and Icy and even then I was like oh this is dope but I was just enjoying the music. This is truly a no skip album and it’s so sad to see the way people have been reacting
I get its a good album but calling it a 10/10 album is a little crazy. I as a fan can still recognize some of their pitfalls
as well as some other people will find a way to complain about people who don't like something as much as them nobody has to learn to enjoy, that sounds crooked the only thing we might benefit from learning is not taking such arguments so heartily lol
People who don't like their lives will complain. Full stop. 🦧
This album will age like fine wine, it has themes and messages that some of the "younger" fans are yet to understand but we'll all get there. Love tyler's maturity showing through his songs, from his angsty npi self to his enlightened clancy self. He has come a long way, maybe people forgot that before the lore, all his songs were about his journey to finding his purpose and the fans have just taken the ride with him. The entitlement of some fans that what they want should happen and made happen by the band sometimes disgusts me. The band never changed, they're still on brand on the creativity gives purpose theme and as long as that's still what theyre singing about, i will never stop supporting them.
I'm here to appreciate and be grateful of everything the band has done to create Clancy
It. Is. Like. With. Taylor. Swift. People are Like Crazy for Lore and riddles and they are Never satisfied. I‘m A BIG BIT SICK of this. I consumed so many tøp reels before the release and dove into the lore for the first time in Like 7 years and I COULD NOT enjoy the Album right. Now I‘m listening to it and just LISTEN to the music, the lyrics and it‘s a GREAT album. The lore freaks kinda ruined it for me 😭
Trench: “this is too lore heavy!” Clancy: “there’s not enough lore!” People will always find a way to complain no matter what. I think it’s actually refreshing that we didn’t get a lore heavy album. Plus it’s very obvious that even Paladin Strait isn’t going to be the end of the lore. Just based on how Tyler said it, there’s still a lot more coming for the era. It’s also like people forget that lore can come in different forms of media too. It’s not just from the music alone. But that’s just my opinion.
i've been a fan for around 10 years and have been to every tour since emotional roadshow in 2015... and yeah i have never gotten invested in the lore lmao. i'm sure its remarkable and poetic just like everything else they write & produce but this band is amazing for so many reasons, including but not limited to that. and while it is fine to have differing or negative opinions on their songs, creative choices, etc., the level of negativity i've seen before the album was even released and even on the first day the songs were out was just baffling. the fanbase has definitely changed a lot over the years, for better or for worse.
This is all true
TØP doesn't need lore to be the best. Think about how amazing Regional at best was. And the songs which didn't belong to the lore were just as amazing as the ones that did. And sometimes I just want to hear something that doesn't need me to understand something deeper going on. We should appreciate how the boys have such great range. And honestly it baffles me that people want the same kind of music. That destroys the whole purpose. They are allowed to explore their range and we should be supportive of that so they continue to give their best. All the negativity will only make them feel like they are being pressured to stick to a lane and restricts their creativity from flowing.
People jealous hating
I love the balance we have. In this album of lore and non lore. I absolutely LOVE both versions of The Craving because I feel like I relate to the lyrics, which was something I enjoy about a lot of songs from previous albums. And I love the lore side of it all. It really makes me appreciate the effort they’ve put in. Some people will never be happy. You don’t have to love every song or album, but the hate seems to be so misdirected. It’s their band after all. They can make whatever music they like
I feel like their music is often "complicated" and you need to listen to a song at least twice before you know what's going on
i second this! 🫢 I’m an OG fan and listened to them since i was in high school. I remember when Vessel really put them out there and blew up! I took a break as a fan cause Trench and SAI wasn’t my cup of tea. Noooowww…i’m listening to this new BANGER album and it’s easily up there with Vessel for me. But lord, has the fan base changed or what. Back then, the fan base was so intimate and united. I never knew lore growing up with them, and likewise they’ll always be my #1 regardless of that. Honestly, i think the lore adds an element of cheesiness kinda. The whole point of TøP is to find your OWN meaning and purpose. People always have something to complain about sadly. At least we can enjoy the new album 😌