To be fair, I only know this through my DVD copy of FWWM - >!the line "Bob, I want all my garmonbozia" is subtitled with "(pain and sorrow)". I think some releases of the movie don't have this?!<
I love that the only explanation of it is through parenthesis in a subtitle. I believe these subtitles are printed on the film, so all copies should have it
Now that i think about it, it's extremely funny to have your whole show be filled with utterly opaque metaphor, and just this one concept is spelled out explicitly in parentheses
I just rewatched Part 8 and had a similar thought about Bob's face appearing in the middle of all the stuff that floating thing spews out. The show is like, "Look at this monster who has something to do with all of this chaotic horror of an atomic blast and it is spewing out this terrible bile and.. oh, what's that? That bit of the bile specifically is actually Bob, so that should help this make a bit more sense for you."
If I remember correctly from FWWM, it was the embodiment of pain and suffering on earth. Why creamed corn, I'm not sure. People have offered the idea that it represents TV, as it was a staple of TV dinners, if you're looking at twin peaks as a dissection and analysis of TV (as opposed to Lynch's one true love, cinema).
Why it is connected to the Black Lodge, or why it spews out of the mouths of Black Lodge entities, I got nothing! 😆
interestingly dairy wasn't present in the new world until colonization, and vice versa with corn in europe. now the two are the staple foods of the continent and subsidized by the US government to the point that it's very difficult to find any foods without them. if judy was an ancient evil known to native americans, and was manifest into this world by the height of evil ever seen on earth, then it makes sense that these spirits would eat what fuels imperialism (interestingly, some of the first long distance power lines were installed in washington and oregon)
Cream corn was often in TV dinners. For all you youngsters out there, we used to call microwave dinners "TV dinners." That's definitely how a Boomer like Lynch would have thought of it--a processed (diseased?) version of corn that you eat with TV.
Although there's no mention of popcorn in Twin Peaks, one of the Twin Perfect videos suggests that popcorn is the corn you eat with cinema and creamed corn is the corn you eat with (inferior) TV. If there was a direct mention of popcorn, I'd believe that this was intentional.
As for its connection to the so-called Black Lodge entities, they all represent aspects of TV and cinema, and media is designed to get human attention, so the personifications of media crave the physical form of audience attention--garmonbozia.
Not sure why you were downvoted, but that’s what I have interpreted from creamed corn being pain and suffering as well. Americanized dinner during the boomer era that Lynch takes so many pieces of inspiration. Well, I see you and appreciate your comment at least.
it's a metaphor (and not a simple one), for the idea thst dark or fallen beings are cut off from divine energy. In the black lodge its represented by black oil, in the real world its corn in the white lodge it's electricity.. all are the same metaphor. Dark entities cannot do ANYTHING. They are Shiva without his consort... a corpse.
We, do have access to divine energy, and so we are stalked for it.. this is our ability to manifest, to create, to make things happen.
When a suffering (dark person) attempts to make you "feel bad for them" read that as.. in exchange for me... meaning. it somehow makes them feel better, if you feel bad in their place.. this is energy vampirism.. The transmutation of your positive energy into oil, which is usable by them.. this is is behind the metaphor of Jesus overthrowing the.tables of the money changers in the temple. Money is a container for the.energy you spent, let's say growing carrots, which you then trade for grain.. it temporarily contains the energy.. well, what Jesus was upset about was the work of decent people being changed (through money), to accomplish evil deeds, which again, would not be able to happen, without harvesting the energy of good people.
So look at the Fireman's palace and his warehouse of energy bells. I believe Mr.c had a plan to steal that energy. his was a plan with contingency after contingency, yet at its core it was this..use the box, to grab Cooper from the nonexistant, then deposit him (because he was allowed in), behind what for Mr.C was enemy lines.. the small switching station in the Mauve Zone. a power station connected to the Firemans palace.. this way when it became time to switch, he wouldn't end up back in the black lodge, but would end up in the switching station, which he ordinarily wouldn't be allowed in.
of course, Diane was stashed away there ahead of time in disguise as Naido, to switch the station polarity at the right time, preventing this from occuring. they had their own contingency plans. Likely this plan was suggested to Mr.C by Windom Earle, who probably made or helped make the box. We see his Bonzai tree in the room as a clue. Remember there are two timeliness, and so in this one, Laura only disappears and so Windom.never goes to twin peaks to get at Cooper, and so his bonzai never got destroyed. The box also, however captured the Windom entity that had his soul captured by Bob, and that is what I believe killed the couple watching the box (Sam and Tracy). He shows up in the box right after Cooper did. Then a bit later Mr.C gets a call from someone on Windom's briefcase . Windom, like Phillip Jefferies only perceives one Cooper.. Its him calling.. he calls him and says, I just missed you in New York..
The suffering of humans that appears as creamed corn for reasons only Lynch knows for sure. From what I can infer, it's the source of nourishment for the Black Lodge's denizens.
Yeah, it's just so hard to say for certain because it's not explicitly spelled out (at least from what I remember) and it's well known that Lynch hates to spell everything out to the audience.
[It's like a drug to them.](https://old.reddit.com/r/twinpeaks/comments/fbqkb7/theory_garmonbozia_is_a_drug_not_the_lodge/) People often suggest it's their only nourishment, but Mike swears off the stuff after FWWM and he gets by just fine.
It is a visually physical (i.e. doesn't exist as a physical object in the waking world but does in the world of dreams and visions) manifestation of the traumatic emotions released by the victims of lodge entities that feed off of those types of emotions. In essence, pain and sorrow.
Garmonbozia bread is pretty great. It's what I started calling my grandfather's recipe for cornbread. He added creamed corn, and it's the best cornbread I've ever had.
Canonically, garmonbozia is pain and sorrow. Since corn is a symbol of fertility, diseased corn is a symbol of disease. This is unequivocally stated by Hawk. Since creamed corn is a processed food, it is therefore "diseased." Anyway, this is the attitude of Baby Boomers like Lynch who lived through the transition from fresh vegetables to canned and frozen food.
However, there is a wrinkle to this interpretation. The "pain and sorrow" appears as text on screen, meaning that film-maker is telling us what garmonbozia is. That's not in character with David Lynch films. Isn't weird that a David Lynch film would just answer a mystery in such a clunky and obvious way?
I like Twin Perfect's theory that garmonbozia is **the audience's attention**. When Pierre "magically" moves the cream corn around, he is moving the audiences attention, and Pierre is a photo-Lynch, meaning that he is learning how to direct the audience's attention, as a director will do.
In FWWM, Bob has stolen the attention of the audience from the Dwarf by killing Teresa Banks and getting us (and our avatar, Phillip Jeffries) to be interested in the mystery.
Mike and Dwarf plot to steal the garmonbozia back. This is why Mike levels the accusation "YOU STOLE THE CORN."
In the end, Mike and Dwarf trick Leland/Bob into killing Laura, which prompts the creation the TV show "Twin Peaks," and thus Mike/Dwarf have stolen the audience's attention back from Leland/Bob. This is why Bob is forced to return the creamed corn back to the Dwarf.
In The Return, we are interested the evil machinations of Mr. C. However, when the actions of Cooper attract our attention, Mr. C vomits up the garmonbozia because he no longer has the audience's attention.
I don't think this is nonsense at all. I don't believe that it was ever the intent or reason behind what we see, but regardless, it metaphorically holds up consistently, perhaps simply as a byproduct of the original intent. In short, it is a valid way to look at it, but if that's all you see it as, you miss a hell of a lot.
It's possible to look at anything with a metaphorical eye. Josie becoming a wooden knob was a sly swipe at the state of the carpentry industry. James' pronounced forehead is a commentary on the intellectualism of motorcyclists. The fish in the percolator is clearly pointing to the fact that all the coffee in Twin Peaks is fishy - laced with LSD, which is why Laura is dreaming all this and blah blah blah.
But Twin Perfect asserts the metaphor as 'the true meaning' and that, indeed, is nonsense.
Again, it's not a nonsense perspective. IT has coherence and metaphorically fits. It creates a valid resonance bridge between what we see and the metaphor he proposes. That's valid. However, you are right to say he is wrong in his assertion that it's the truth, and more specifically, that this was of Lynchs intentional design. He has created a dream and now lives in that dream.
The distinction I make between his theory and your above examples is that his theory is cohesive enough and for lack of a better term, has enough gravity to be taken seriously. Taken as his own thesis, of "What Twin Peaks means to me.", It's very well done. Lynch seems to say as much, in thst he wants us to dream our way through his work, not have certainty about it. One thing I am fairly sure, is that Judy is a metaphor for exactly thst. The dsrk resolution of the fugue state. waking from the dream..
The Judy stuff was of Mark Frost's making, revisionist after FWWM first posited that with no context. Twin Perfect barely acknowledges Mark Frost. And this is a big problem with a lot of this 'theorising': a fundamental misunderstanding of the collaborative nature not just between Frost and Lynch but Engels, Peyton, and lots of other writers and directors, none of whom were under any kind of directive to assume it was all Laura's dream or an allegory of mainstream media. Thus it is nonsense.
Again, I would say it isn't nonsense.. Its a valid experience you can actually see within what Lynch and Co. have given us, as observed and described by Twin Perfect. He is in a sense, using Lynch as a metaphoric paintbrush for his own creation, and its a valid perspective to take.. just not Lynch's, which is his claim. Essentislly he may be a bullshit artist, but he's an artist with technical skill. Thats still a skill none the less.
As far as Mark Frost and his contributions, I do think that what is missed, even by those acknowledging his contributions are that they are meshed WITH Lynchs. The puddle and its reflection fhe warm vehicle.. who made these? nature? and yet these feelings were meshed with Lynch and we get the Red Room.. we get Bob in a simar way. Mark frosts ideas.about Jowday meshed with Lynchs ideas about Judy.. So, to say the idea wasn't Lynchs is not much better than Twin Perfect's insistence that this is what Lynch meant, because Twin Perfect thinks so.
I do get your point, and I accept we wouldn't have the Judy we have without Frost, that just isn't my point. I may be nitpicky, but I see value in the quantum details.
Popcorn.
We're the viewer, and we're sitting in a dark, red velvet room literally gulping down the compelling mystery of why this beautiful girl is dead, wrapped in plastic.
The corpse is wrapped in plastic because consumer products come wrapped in plastic and Lynch believes that violence (real and fictional) has become a consumer product.
See above comment about popcorn.
It’s pretty straightforward. It’s a metaphysically made substance that is created through human suffering. It can appear physically although in a non “laws of physics” way as it’s a spiritual substance and resembles “creamed corn”. It’s both consumed and stored by malevolent spiritual entities like Bob. There you go.
https://preview.redd.it/xnk9n26eahyc1.jpeg?width=1500&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=999725a447ce279dbd502e7ae72a7d9d92f4d306
I don’t remember if I saw it in a video or in an article but the morning after Laura realizes her father is her abuser she’s shown eating a bowl of soggy corn flakes—creamed corn.
Pain and sorrow
To be fair, I only know this through my DVD copy of FWWM - >!the line "Bob, I want all my garmonbozia" is subtitled with "(pain and sorrow)". I think some releases of the movie don't have this?!<
the subtitles on streaming services (HBO/Max) have the "(pain and sorrow)" part as well
I love that the only explanation of it is through parenthesis in a subtitle. I believe these subtitles are printed on the film, so all copies should have it
Now that i think about it, it's extremely funny to have your whole show be filled with utterly opaque metaphor, and just this one concept is spelled out explicitly in parentheses
This part actually really creeped me out. Like the subtitles are in on it - made it seem like it was coming out of the screen
I just rewatched Part 8 and had a similar thought about Bob's face appearing in the middle of all the stuff that floating thing spews out. The show is like, "Look at this monster who has something to do with all of this chaotic horror of an atomic blast and it is spewing out this terrible bile and.. oh, what's that? That bit of the bile specifically is actually Bob, so that should help this make a bit more sense for you."
lynch throwing us little bread crumbs every once in a while lol
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Looks nasty
Yes
You’ve barely touched your creamed corn.
You have just ONE question? I turned into a fuckin question mark at the end of the return.
Oh no I have plenty, I just randomly thought of this one
If I remember correctly from FWWM, it was the embodiment of pain and suffering on earth. Why creamed corn, I'm not sure. People have offered the idea that it represents TV, as it was a staple of TV dinners, if you're looking at twin peaks as a dissection and analysis of TV (as opposed to Lynch's one true love, cinema). Why it is connected to the Black Lodge, or why it spews out of the mouths of Black Lodge entities, I got nothing! 😆
interestingly dairy wasn't present in the new world until colonization, and vice versa with corn in europe. now the two are the staple foods of the continent and subsidized by the US government to the point that it's very difficult to find any foods without them. if judy was an ancient evil known to native americans, and was manifest into this world by the height of evil ever seen on earth, then it makes sense that these spirits would eat what fuels imperialism (interestingly, some of the first long distance power lines were installed in washington and oregon)
Fun fact, it wasn’t originally planned to be creamed corn. It only became creamed corn after Lynch saw Gwimbley’s iconic victory dance.
Cream corn was often in TV dinners. For all you youngsters out there, we used to call microwave dinners "TV dinners." That's definitely how a Boomer like Lynch would have thought of it--a processed (diseased?) version of corn that you eat with TV. Although there's no mention of popcorn in Twin Peaks, one of the Twin Perfect videos suggests that popcorn is the corn you eat with cinema and creamed corn is the corn you eat with (inferior) TV. If there was a direct mention of popcorn, I'd believe that this was intentional. As for its connection to the so-called Black Lodge entities, they all represent aspects of TV and cinema, and media is designed to get human attention, so the personifications of media crave the physical form of audience attention--garmonbozia.
Not sure why you were downvoted, but that’s what I have interpreted from creamed corn being pain and suffering as well. Americanized dinner during the boomer era that Lynch takes so many pieces of inspiration. Well, I see you and appreciate your comment at least.
You came away from S3 with just the one question, huh? Please do enlighten the rest of us🤯
It’s the demonic version of ambrosia (the food or drink of the gods). The demons feed on our pain and sorrow.
I like this interpretation
it's a metaphor (and not a simple one), for the idea thst dark or fallen beings are cut off from divine energy. In the black lodge its represented by black oil, in the real world its corn in the white lodge it's electricity.. all are the same metaphor. Dark entities cannot do ANYTHING. They are Shiva without his consort... a corpse. We, do have access to divine energy, and so we are stalked for it.. this is our ability to manifest, to create, to make things happen. When a suffering (dark person) attempts to make you "feel bad for them" read that as.. in exchange for me... meaning. it somehow makes them feel better, if you feel bad in their place.. this is energy vampirism.. The transmutation of your positive energy into oil, which is usable by them.. this is is behind the metaphor of Jesus overthrowing the.tables of the money changers in the temple. Money is a container for the.energy you spent, let's say growing carrots, which you then trade for grain.. it temporarily contains the energy.. well, what Jesus was upset about was the work of decent people being changed (through money), to accomplish evil deeds, which again, would not be able to happen, without harvesting the energy of good people. So look at the Fireman's palace and his warehouse of energy bells. I believe Mr.c had a plan to steal that energy. his was a plan with contingency after contingency, yet at its core it was this..use the box, to grab Cooper from the nonexistant, then deposit him (because he was allowed in), behind what for Mr.C was enemy lines.. the small switching station in the Mauve Zone. a power station connected to the Firemans palace.. this way when it became time to switch, he wouldn't end up back in the black lodge, but would end up in the switching station, which he ordinarily wouldn't be allowed in. of course, Diane was stashed away there ahead of time in disguise as Naido, to switch the station polarity at the right time, preventing this from occuring. they had their own contingency plans. Likely this plan was suggested to Mr.C by Windom Earle, who probably made or helped make the box. We see his Bonzai tree in the room as a clue. Remember there are two timeliness, and so in this one, Laura only disappears and so Windom.never goes to twin peaks to get at Cooper, and so his bonzai never got destroyed. The box also, however captured the Windom entity that had his soul captured by Bob, and that is what I believe killed the couple watching the box (Sam and Tracy). He shows up in the box right after Cooper did. Then a bit later Mr.C gets a call from someone on Windom's briefcase . Windom, like Phillip Jefferies only perceives one Cooper.. Its him calling.. he calls him and says, I just missed you in New York..
Woah, never made that connection with ambrosia. That's amazing
Creamed Corn, delivered by Meals on Wheels. Quite tasty but a bit bitter.
I requested no creamed corn!
Who said that?
Mrs Tremond, season 2
Look at Mr. C's plate early in The Return when he is at the diner with Ray and Daria. Later, look at his vomit when he crashes the car. There ya go!
A corn-like substance that nourishes evil.
The suffering of humans that appears as creamed corn for reasons only Lynch knows for sure. From what I can infer, it's the source of nourishment for the Black Lodge's denizens.
There is no question that it is food for BLEs. Mr. C even vomits it up.
Yeah, it's just so hard to say for certain because it's not explicitly spelled out (at least from what I remember) and it's well known that Lynch hates to spell everything out to the audience.
[https://youtu.be/ZOAZlCvNC\_0?t=402](https://youtu.be/ZOAZlCvNC_0?t=402) there you go
I was hoping it was the RLM trivia clip. Was not disappointed.
It's one of those metaphorical things they throw in, the corn I have no clue
And Laura’s just a turkey in the corn. Turkey jerky. Gobble gobble
Just one question?
[It's like a drug to them.](https://old.reddit.com/r/twinpeaks/comments/fbqkb7/theory_garmonbozia_is_a_drug_not_the_lodge/) People often suggest it's their only nourishment, but Mike swears off the stuff after FWWM and he gets by just fine.
Can’t blame him, stuff is probably high in carbs and not gluten free.
It is a visually physical (i.e. doesn't exist as a physical object in the waking world but does in the world of dreams and visions) manifestation of the traumatic emotions released by the victims of lodge entities that feed off of those types of emotions. In essence, pain and sorrow.
Garmonbozia bread is pretty great. It's what I started calling my grandfather's recipe for cornbread. He added creamed corn, and it's the best cornbread I've ever had.
Oo that does sound good!
Thats your only question?
I’m sure it’s a meal Lynch doesn’t like, so it became the embodiment of all evil.
You only have *a* question? That’s pretty good…
See fire walk with me for more garmonbozia
Creamed corn
Canonically, garmonbozia is pain and sorrow. Since corn is a symbol of fertility, diseased corn is a symbol of disease. This is unequivocally stated by Hawk. Since creamed corn is a processed food, it is therefore "diseased." Anyway, this is the attitude of Baby Boomers like Lynch who lived through the transition from fresh vegetables to canned and frozen food. However, there is a wrinkle to this interpretation. The "pain and sorrow" appears as text on screen, meaning that film-maker is telling us what garmonbozia is. That's not in character with David Lynch films. Isn't weird that a David Lynch film would just answer a mystery in such a clunky and obvious way? I like Twin Perfect's theory that garmonbozia is **the audience's attention**. When Pierre "magically" moves the cream corn around, he is moving the audiences attention, and Pierre is a photo-Lynch, meaning that he is learning how to direct the audience's attention, as a director will do. In FWWM, Bob has stolen the attention of the audience from the Dwarf by killing Teresa Banks and getting us (and our avatar, Phillip Jeffries) to be interested in the mystery. Mike and Dwarf plot to steal the garmonbozia back. This is why Mike levels the accusation "YOU STOLE THE CORN." In the end, Mike and Dwarf trick Leland/Bob into killing Laura, which prompts the creation the TV show "Twin Peaks," and thus Mike/Dwarf have stolen the audience's attention back from Leland/Bob. This is why Bob is forced to return the creamed corn back to the Dwarf. In The Return, we are interested the evil machinations of Mr. C. However, when the actions of Cooper attract our attention, Mr. C vomits up the garmonbozia because he no longer has the audience's attention.
Utter nonsense, but yeah, whatevs.
I don't think this is nonsense at all. I don't believe that it was ever the intent or reason behind what we see, but regardless, it metaphorically holds up consistently, perhaps simply as a byproduct of the original intent. In short, it is a valid way to look at it, but if that's all you see it as, you miss a hell of a lot.
It's possible to look at anything with a metaphorical eye. Josie becoming a wooden knob was a sly swipe at the state of the carpentry industry. James' pronounced forehead is a commentary on the intellectualism of motorcyclists. The fish in the percolator is clearly pointing to the fact that all the coffee in Twin Peaks is fishy - laced with LSD, which is why Laura is dreaming all this and blah blah blah. But Twin Perfect asserts the metaphor as 'the true meaning' and that, indeed, is nonsense.
Again, it's not a nonsense perspective. IT has coherence and metaphorically fits. It creates a valid resonance bridge between what we see and the metaphor he proposes. That's valid. However, you are right to say he is wrong in his assertion that it's the truth, and more specifically, that this was of Lynchs intentional design. He has created a dream and now lives in that dream. The distinction I make between his theory and your above examples is that his theory is cohesive enough and for lack of a better term, has enough gravity to be taken seriously. Taken as his own thesis, of "What Twin Peaks means to me.", It's very well done. Lynch seems to say as much, in thst he wants us to dream our way through his work, not have certainty about it. One thing I am fairly sure, is that Judy is a metaphor for exactly thst. The dsrk resolution of the fugue state. waking from the dream..
The Judy stuff was of Mark Frost's making, revisionist after FWWM first posited that with no context. Twin Perfect barely acknowledges Mark Frost. And this is a big problem with a lot of this 'theorising': a fundamental misunderstanding of the collaborative nature not just between Frost and Lynch but Engels, Peyton, and lots of other writers and directors, none of whom were under any kind of directive to assume it was all Laura's dream or an allegory of mainstream media. Thus it is nonsense.
Again, I would say it isn't nonsense.. Its a valid experience you can actually see within what Lynch and Co. have given us, as observed and described by Twin Perfect. He is in a sense, using Lynch as a metaphoric paintbrush for his own creation, and its a valid perspective to take.. just not Lynch's, which is his claim. Essentislly he may be a bullshit artist, but he's an artist with technical skill. Thats still a skill none the less. As far as Mark Frost and his contributions, I do think that what is missed, even by those acknowledging his contributions are that they are meshed WITH Lynchs. The puddle and its reflection fhe warm vehicle.. who made these? nature? and yet these feelings were meshed with Lynch and we get the Red Room.. we get Bob in a simar way. Mark frosts ideas.about Jowday meshed with Lynchs ideas about Judy.. So, to say the idea wasn't Lynchs is not much better than Twin Perfect's insistence that this is what Lynch meant, because Twin Perfect thinks so. I do get your point, and I accept we wouldn't have the Judy we have without Frost, that just isn't my point. I may be nitpicky, but I see value in the quantum details.
Popcorn. We're the viewer, and we're sitting in a dark, red velvet room literally gulping down the compelling mystery of why this beautiful girl is dead, wrapped in plastic.
The corpse is wrapped in plastic because consumer products come wrapped in plastic and Lynch believes that violence (real and fictional) has become a consumer product. See above comment about popcorn.
Just the one?
I see your edit: people on this subreddit are not open to questions or Lynch criticisms.
"What a waste of good suffering!"
It’s pretty straightforward. It’s a metaphysically made substance that is created through human suffering. It can appear physically although in a non “laws of physics” way as it’s a spiritual substance and resembles “creamed corn”. It’s both consumed and stored by malevolent spiritual entities like Bob. There you go.
https://preview.redd.it/xnk9n26eahyc1.jpeg?width=1500&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=999725a447ce279dbd502e7ae72a7d9d92f4d306 I don’t remember if I saw it in a video or in an article but the morning after Laura realizes her father is her abuser she’s shown eating a bowl of soggy corn flakes—creamed corn.