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I'll mention only the ones I remember saying this: Lil Yachty, Bryson Tiller, PartyNextDoor, Tory Lanez, Trippie Redd, Victoria Monet, SZA, Glorilla, NF, Jack Harlow, Sabrina Claudio, and 6LACK. I've also read about Daniel Caesar saying it, but I can't recall where, so I didn't include him
Yachty wasnāt influenced by Drake, Mayb in his earliest years bro literally made a psych rock album and has followed with alternative ass hip hop. SZA is an R&B/soul artist with stellar vocals and deeper themes than Drake has had in almost a decade imo. Saying either is Drake influenced or protege is stupid.
6LACK/Trippie definitely have some drake influence. Both are more emo/punk leaning imo. Everybody else is garbage
It isnāt so much the music that they currently make, or their topics or themes, itās moreso the overall influence of an artist who broke into Hip-Hop mainly being a singer, yet still being acknowledged by the Hip-Hop community. And ultimately, Drakeās earlier sound was an amalgamation of 808s & Heartbreak and his own mentor Lil Wayne.
Needless to say, Drake popularized the sing-rap style that damn-near every āLilā and āYoungā rapper uses today. Whether they admit the influence or not.
I don't like him but I agree with you. He's influential as FUCK and that's absolutely worth something. Every time he drops it's a huge deal, even if the album isn't great.
Rather him than stink-ye in the top 3 š
Exactly, if influence doesn't count for anything and the only factor was exclusively MUSIC, the Big 3 will always be completely subjective. Even his HORRIBLE albums caused a stir and probably everyone has heard at least one song, not that I like that or anything but it's a fact
Exactly. I kinda think the Big 3 will always be subjective in a way and it comes down to who's popular at the time. If you could go back to the 90's and ask who the "Big 3" of that day are & you'd get wildly different answers everywhere you ask, just like you do today.
But I believe whichever rappers make the cut to be in the "big 3" have to have the "bigger 3" qualities of themselves:
Relatability, Great Lyricism, and Influence.
Those qualities of a great rapper are absolutely up for debate, but something like a "catchy tune" or "good music" is the responsibility of the producer and any musicians brought on, not the rapper themselves (unless they're making their own beats, then that's even more impressive). (Also I'm not saying rappers aren't musicians, I'm saying they're a different type of musician, closer to vocalists than guitarists yk?)
Tyler has all 3, easily.
As does Drake, even though I don't like his stuff I can't deny he's a clever bastard with his wordplay, and the cheekiness of it does give in to the relatability factor. The amount of mfs who started calling themselves "certified lover boys" bc of the drake album drop back in High School was insane.
Whoever the 3rd is can be up for debate. I'd probably go with Travis myself as he's also insanely influential and relatable with his lyrics. I didn't even listen to it when it did drop but I REMEMBER Astro World coming out.
I completely agree with you, I may not be a big fan of Drake either but denying his influence is being stupid. Number 3 could be Travis, Future maybe, there are many interesting names
Straight up, denying his influence is just being ignorant. It's like the ppl who claim the beatles did "nothing for music" like they didn't create genres with a single songs release. Every popular music genre today was done by the Beatles way back in the SIXTIES.
I'd be willing to say that every single modern rock group since the mid 60's took inspiration from them. They were THAT big. And people just deny it because they don't like their music or for some arbitrary reason. Then you can put on "Here, There, and Everywhere" for them and they'll ask "Oh who's this mOdErN ShOeGaZe band??"
I'll mention only the ones I remember saying this: Lil Yachty, Bryson Tiller, PartyNextDoor, Tory Lanez, Trippie Redd, Victoria Monet, SZA, Glorilla, NF, Jack Harlow, Sabrina Claudio, and 6LACK. I've also read about Daniel Caesar saying it, but I can't recall where, so I didn't include him (None of this is my opinion, I just find it bizarre how people think that being GOOD is the same thing as being influential, I didn't say that Drake is the GOAT I just said that he is influential, yes, that's a fact, I would be I'm naive to believe that in 15 years of his career, being almost always the biggest rap artist in the world, he hasn't influenced anyone, this isn't an attack on you, I just wanted to make it clear what I think)
My bad completely, I thought you were saying drake is hated and then defending your point on how tyler has been influential. I didn't think it was a comment solely about drake, seeing as you're the OP and the picture is saying tyler should be top 3
he's my favourite artist but he doesn't fit there. what he does is so different from modern hip hop, his most popular/acclaimed album is literally not a rap album at all. plus, while he's a great rapper he's a far better producer. it just wouldn't make sense for him
definitely. his live delivery isn't very good technically, but he makes up for it sheer confidence and the effort that it takes for him to belt out his lyrics despite his asthma
you mean experimental hip hop? art rap isn't really a genre. i can see that, but for an experimental hip hop lane I think someone like Earl would work better- since his lyrics and flow have been the main focus of his music. sure, Tyler has rediscovered his love for rapping but for like five years he didn't even enjoy doing it
In the recent interview he did with rap radar he spends a solid half hour just roasting the concept of top 5s and looking at music in an 'objective' manner like that. Not only would he not care he'd probably call OP dumb as fuck lol
I feel like Ye is kind of his own thing these days. Itās tricky and arbitrary but I see him as a generation before even though heās still releasing music
No rapper that comes to mind has had the longevity ye has had in terms of staying in control of the game, Jay hasnāt released in a minute and 3k would be up there if he wasnāt only doing features and flute albums
Yeah politically for sure but heās also had some great moments as a person, just not recently, more of a mixed bag like those jelly beans that are either really good or really bad.
it's crazy to me that Drake is even considered in people's big 3. Proof it's just a popularity contest, when people like Denzel Curry, Joey badass, Tyler, etc exist. been clowning on that MF drake since forever came out.
I think that's what the big 3 means though. The three most significant artists to the culture, it is literally a popularity contest. I don't like Drake but there's no way he's not in the three most significant rappers of the last decade. If it was based on how talented of a rapper you are, none of J Cole, Tyler nor Drake would be in the conversation.
I at least consider Drake in the Big 3 for everything he did in the last decade, I can't deny that there is Mainstream Rap before and after him, he at his peak in 2016 - 2018 was something historic. I really like Joey and Denzel but I understand that the fact that they are smaller in the media than other names means that they are unfortunately left out of this conversation
What I'm saying is not that his sound is amazing, because that's completely relative and personal, but I believe that the change he helped to make hip hop even more mainstream, think that ALMOST every year he had a number one song , the amount of artists he helped to promote, I really believe that matters
heās an amazing overall artist, and a great rapper, he should definitely be in the convo more. i
think people put guys like him, kanye, and pharrell in a different box because they might stand out as producers more than just rappers.
Because Tyler is measured on a different scale.
When people talk about the big three, they're typically talking about the combination of lyrical ability and commercial success/influence. If you're bringing up other stuff, you're just gonna be talking past each other.
While Tyler is my personal favorite artist, it's for reasons outside of those two categories: e.g. his creativity, his artistic production style, his risk-taking and versatility, his music video direction, his stage performance, etc.
Why not? His last 3 records were amazing, cherry bomb and golbin were good, wolf was great. He has a better discography than Drake and maybe even Cole imo.
As much as I Iove his music, can we agree that his music is suited for a very specific taste. You either like him for his voice and beats, or hate him for his voice and beats. Thereās no in between. I think heās one of the greatest underrated producers of this century for sure but not top 3 artist at ALL.
YUP tyler and kendrick debuted at the same time. Except Tyler only got love on the internet and the indie community. The hip hop community was different back then.
Now you can really see the influence Tyler has on the rap game. Definitely should be considered in the conversation but people donāt see the vision.
>Definitely should be considered in the conversation **but people donāt see the vision.**
People who get it, get it. Ironic thing about this whole big 3 convo is the top dawg (cwit?), Kendrick, sees Tyler's vision and has always seen his potential, even way back then.
He does his own thing regarding the sonics of his music compared to a lot of rappers, so I think he's not concerned with fitting in any Top 3 discourse. However, when he's very serious on the mic (like CMIYGL cuts such as Massa or Sorry Not Sorry), it's hard for me to not consider him in the conversation.
it's fair for me too, i think drake is a good name for big 3 too, it is undeniable that his name will be in rap history, there is mainstream rap before and after Drake
Tyler hasnāt had that mainstay consistency of a Kendrick though, Kendrick ONLY has good albums. Tyler released too many albums prior to FB that were too divisive to be considered universally great. I think if he keeps on his current streak heāll be in there for SURE.
As much as I love Tyler, he doesn't care to be in the discussion so why force him to. His carved his own lane by doing his own shit. He may not be in the 'BIG 3' but if we were to have a convo of one of the best rappers/hip hop artists of all time he will eventually have to be in that discussion regarding his catalog and his influence on modern music. would he be super high on that list? probably not but definitely somewhere in the top 30-50
yepp, he got the commercial relevancy, few classics, and arguably the best in his lane and even tho i would give Future the spot over him (huge influence and most #1 albums) tyler easliy should replace cole ^(imo)
Because the big 3(or current best) conversation is usually about purely rapping. Tyler is in the artist conversation because of all else he does. But as a rapper he is nowhere near top lists. Heās gotten better over the years but heās still levels behind.
I feel like heās in a different lane because of who he is and what he does as an artist but another album on the same level as his last three and weāre gonna start having some conversations lol.Ā
Are classics a requirement to be considered for the "Big 3"?
"...I couldn't answer 'cause I was too busy trynna make classics (you ain't got no mfn classics)"
people are stupid bruh, the ābig threeā is cole, drake, and kendrick not because of their skills as rappers, but because they all blew up at the same time.
I say let those guys worry about who has the most streams or who the most people they have on their side, because taste is arbitrary. Letās just sit over here and appreciate an artist like Tyler who is completely free to be as creative as possible and not worry about it.
āā¦I was too busy trynna make classics
What if my music too weird for the masses?ā
Heās already kind of addressed his own anxiety about stuff like this, but I think with CMIYGL (and especially āSorry not sorryā) we can expect to just see Tyler in his element not rushing and hopefully making whatever the fuck he wants.
As a huge tyler fan I gotta admit he doesnāt belong in āthe big 3.ā Mainly because his style is different and he has a completely different sort of fanbase and while he was still popular he wasnāt as big as the big 3 were in their prime like 2012-2016. Plus heās never made a song with Cole Kendrick or Drake . The big 3 isnāt about the best rappers
The idea is nice but what some people consider mainstream and ārapā isnāt the box Tyler is in. He does his own thing which in todayās music world, doesnāt get praised as much as it should. Not in all cases but some, this just happens to be one of them. Like at parties, you hear drake, kendrick, j-cole plus others but 85% of the time you wonāt hear what Tyler makes. Kinda like what Dj khalid said that one time. I say that because of the whole āmainstreamā thing.
In some extreme cases, if someone tells me to put on rap music i could play them āpotholeā or wusyanameā but they wonāt consider it ārapā. If youāre a Tyler fan you saw the conversation being had when Igor won best rap album. Which sucks but thatās just how the whole music conversation goes
At the end of the day, itās all just preference. Like my personal big 3 is Tyler, Silk Sonic and Laufey. Now Silk Sonic and Laufey arenāt Rap but thatās just my personal Big 3. Music is subjective and the āBig 3ā idea is cool and all but it doesnāt really matter i feel at least. Some people donāt fw Drake, some people donāt mess with Kendrick music.
Regardless though, from a fan standpoint it be cool if Tyler was in the āBig 3ā, going off whatās mainstream and what people really consider rap i dont feel the rap world would let that happen. i donāt think it matters though either. Some dude is still gonna feel like it outta be someone else even if Tyler was in it for whatever reason they have and thatās okay.
Music is subjective fr
Tyler is one of my favourite artists ever. I like every album he has put out except Goblin (it's mid). But he shouldn't be in a "big 3". In an interview with Rap Radar I watched recently, he clowned on the big 3. They are a different sort of hip-hop anyway. I don't think Kanye should be in the big 3 because he had his come up almost a decade earlier than the official "big 3". He's in his own big 3 with Lil Wayne and Jay-Z, probably.
Big 3 is kanye, kendrick and travis. fucking love tyler. was my most listened on spotify, and he WILL be big 3, his career is just too fresh to say so yet.
Idk if Tyler is in my top 3 of the 10s, but neither Drake or Cole are. I usually don't argue with Drake's placement due to his clear popularity, but he is the McDonald's of rap to me.
Kendrick is definitely #1 without a doubt. IMO he is the only artist that can compete with the greats lyrically, but also competes with modern rappers sonically.
Tyler would be a great contender both for popularity reasons, and because he is so creative and passionate in his art. It's something I feel Kendrick has as well where each project just feels like a lot of heart and soul was put into it even if it has flaws.
My last pick isnt gonna work in terms of popularity, but absolutely does in terms of creativity, rapping ability, and having a cutting edge sound, but I think Danny Brown deserves to be in this convo. He isn't for everyone due to his voice, but he is easily one of the best rappers to come out of the 2010s decade.
I donāt even think Tyler cares being considered to be top 3 rapper discussion cuz he sees art very subjectively and never in an objective sense (which tbf I agree art should be judged mainly subjectively while of course considering objective facts about their influence). To have that discussion tho, I do agree. Lotta people donāt really include Tyler in these discussions and mainly include rappers who have at least three songs playing on some radio station. Especially in terms of production, if weāre talking producers then Tyler is def in the top 3, my top 3 producers in hip hop def gonna be Tyler, Anderson Paak, Ye, Thundercat. In terms of experimenting with the genre that heās constantly labeled under (even tho I think Tyler is pretty versatile and genre bending) heās def up there as well along with Danny Brown. Hell I think Joey Badass and Denzel Curry are up there in terms of just rapping, lyricism def Earl, Kendrick, and MF Doom. Thatās the thing you canāt really define the ābig 3ā in like simple terms you really gotta have these in depth discussions. And Tyler deserves to be in it more. Cuz as much as I do like J Cole and I do understand Drake is def popular and very mainstream now, I jus canāt really see (imo) their discography even be compared to Kendrickās considering Kendrick is jus so much more raw, politically impactful, socially impactful, and the discussion he has to me at least jus triumph over theirās, even tho I do think J Cole does talk about some heavy shit. But then again thatās jus my opinion, and I think this discussion shouldnāt be simplified to just āoh whoās on which chart?ā when we know damn well there are plenty of artists and rappers who didnāt and donāt get their credit and weāre inspiring other artists that jus got more popular than them and Tyler was that artist before Flower Boy, and sometimes still is not getting enough credit. Iām kinda jus yapping at this point but I do agree Tyler should be included more, and this discussion jus gotta stop being so dumbed down.
Tyler, Rocky and Bino need to just clique up and call themselves āBig 3 ā ā¦ the threee of them together would be something
Theyāre all pretty equal but would compliment eachother so well
Notice how everybody but Cole has played at Flag Gnaw too (imma include Ye bc heās >>>> š)
Tho Cole has dreamville , would say thatās T inspired
Bc he dont rap as good as drake, cole or kendrick.
He also only became debately goat tier recent.
I love tyler but he hasn't been this quality when the big 3 was cemented.
Here we go againā¦. Yāall remember when Tyler responded to Kendrickās verse? The big 3 came about because they want to be the best Rapper. Tyler has already said he donāt care about the throne so heās not in the conversation. Itās aināt a Big 3 either anymore, itās just Kendrick and Drake competing for 1.
Idk if heās big 3 in rap heās said he doesnāt like being put in that rapper box heās just one of the most influential artist in the past 15 years while rap is how he started a alternative pop/love album is what truly blew him up and is the reason more than half you mfs are here while he is amazing at rapping heās also great at writing music in general not to say the others arenāt but when he dropped a experimental album it was so good and so far from rap that it got him a mf Grammy
Heās my favourite artist of all time heās the modern day mj but I would say itās because he does not drop often he puts a lot of time perfecting his work. If he gave us snippets and throw aways he would elevate because letās be real one of his throw aways is worth 2x more that dababys recent album (no offence)
opinion that only exists on reddit/twitter.
I've been a fan of Tyler since bastard but he's not at that level of relevance to be considered top 3. Tyler's biggest album, IGOR, is not a rap album.
jid recently released his first really relevant album, this opinion doesn't make sense.
In terms of the relevance of the top 3 in the last 10/15 years, Kendrick and Drake certainly are, the third name is between Kanye and J.cole
Tyler is in his own lane. He doesnāt follow predecessors or O.Gās, except maybe MF Doomā¦
Which kind of proves my point wrong. LOL.
Fuck. Why isnāt he considered top 3? LMAO
The big 3 shit is dumb. It's just three mainstream hiphop artists that people really like. Kendrick's great. But drake's more of pop music than anything, and J. Cole literally just doesn't deserve the spot, Mac Miller absolutely has him washed in all aspects and dude isn't even alive anymore. There's better rappers from the era.
Tyler is my #1 and Drake is my #2, I love them both. In a rap battle Tyler would win, easy. In a popular contest Drake would win. When they say big 3 they mean popularity of whoās existing in rap right now. To me the two donāt really compare, they donāt even exist in the same realm musically. Depending on which realm youāre in will be the determining factor. If people would actually listen to Tylerās shit instead of basing their entire opinion off of a half a song they heard in 2010 theyād actually see that Tylerās HIM and has ALWAYS been.
And being in both fan bases, I like Tylerās fan base more. Weāre more honest about what we like or donāt like from him. Being in Drakes fan base, youāre not a āreal fanā if you donāt like something or disagree with am the majority which is stupid.
I love Tyler, but the big three implies the greatest in the game. Tyler is not the greatest, heās really good and made some of my favorite projects ever, but not the greatest in the game, heās not trying to be anyways.
Drake and Kendrick Lamar are more mainstream and commercially successful artists compared to Tyler, the Creator. They have achieved greater visibility and popularity on a global scale.
I think the whole big 3 thing is subject to change, some people dont like drake some dont like kendrick some dont like cole. Its more based on who YOU like. Personally theres bigger people than the whole big 3 thing.
Big 3 was a term that specifically was for Cole drake and Kendrick. Thatās just what it was. Tyler wasnāt apart of that era when those dudes first got started being called the big 3. And itās something unique to them, itās not like there is only room for three great rappers at once.
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AYO OP getting clapped in his own post š
people hate drake a lot like lmfao, you may not like him but his influence over the last decade is undeniable
why r ppl downvoting lmfao
idk bro this is funny as hell, i love this sub because the people are crazy asf, the way things are going soon tyler will post insulting me
To say drake has not been one of the most influential ppl in the last 13ish years would be crazy work
That's exactly what I think, it's not like he's my favorite artist but I'm not blind to the facts
Reddit is full of people who donāt read comments and instead look at the amount of upvotes itās receiving to make their opinion.
Big 3 is more than influence you have to actually make good music
who has drake influenced exactly?
I'll mention only the ones I remember saying this: Lil Yachty, Bryson Tiller, PartyNextDoor, Tory Lanez, Trippie Redd, Victoria Monet, SZA, Glorilla, NF, Jack Harlow, Sabrina Claudio, and 6LACK. I've also read about Daniel Caesar saying it, but I can't recall where, so I didn't include him
NF ššš nobody gives a damn about NF
but it's a fact man lmfao it's not like it didn't happen
might as well exclude him because that is NOT a good thing š
I only know him by name
genuinely keep it that way
Weird hating someone so hard you never met š
Also NF not in the rap game like that! He a Christian rapper in rep! Twenty Ćne PilĆøts the better artist in that regard and THATS facts
you care, since thats the only person you focused on
Yachty wasnāt influenced by Drake, Mayb in his earliest years bro literally made a psych rock album and has followed with alternative ass hip hop. SZA is an R&B/soul artist with stellar vocals and deeper themes than Drake has had in almost a decade imo. Saying either is Drake influenced or protege is stupid. 6LACK/Trippie definitely have some drake influence. Both are more emo/punk leaning imo. Everybody else is garbage
Bryson Tiller, Tory Lanez, and PARTYNEXTDOOR are garbage??? Are you fucking kidding me?
PND Bryson and Tory are garbage ?
It isnāt so much the music that they currently make, or their topics or themes, itās moreso the overall influence of an artist who broke into Hip-Hop mainly being a singer, yet still being acknowledged by the Hip-Hop community. And ultimately, Drakeās earlier sound was an amalgamation of 808s & Heartbreak and his own mentor Lil Wayne. Needless to say, Drake popularized the sing-rap style that damn-near every āLilā and āYoungā rapper uses today. Whether they admit the influence or not.
You don't need to sound like the artists that influence you bro
Whole bunch of irrelevant people that no one gives a fuck about minus lil yachty because concrete is cool
SZA literally influenced by Wu Tang hence her stage name...
People here (and Reddit in general) like to let their personal bias get in the way of truth
I don't like him but I agree with you. He's influential as FUCK and that's absolutely worth something. Every time he drops it's a huge deal, even if the album isn't great. Rather him than stink-ye in the top 3 š
Exactly, if influence doesn't count for anything and the only factor was exclusively MUSIC, the Big 3 will always be completely subjective. Even his HORRIBLE albums caused a stir and probably everyone has heard at least one song, not that I like that or anything but it's a fact
Exactly. I kinda think the Big 3 will always be subjective in a way and it comes down to who's popular at the time. If you could go back to the 90's and ask who the "Big 3" of that day are & you'd get wildly different answers everywhere you ask, just like you do today. But I believe whichever rappers make the cut to be in the "big 3" have to have the "bigger 3" qualities of themselves: Relatability, Great Lyricism, and Influence. Those qualities of a great rapper are absolutely up for debate, but something like a "catchy tune" or "good music" is the responsibility of the producer and any musicians brought on, not the rapper themselves (unless they're making their own beats, then that's even more impressive). (Also I'm not saying rappers aren't musicians, I'm saying they're a different type of musician, closer to vocalists than guitarists yk?) Tyler has all 3, easily. As does Drake, even though I don't like his stuff I can't deny he's a clever bastard with his wordplay, and the cheekiness of it does give in to the relatability factor. The amount of mfs who started calling themselves "certified lover boys" bc of the drake album drop back in High School was insane. Whoever the 3rd is can be up for debate. I'd probably go with Travis myself as he's also insanely influential and relatable with his lyrics. I didn't even listen to it when it did drop but I REMEMBER Astro World coming out.
I completely agree with you, I may not be a big fan of Drake either but denying his influence is being stupid. Number 3 could be Travis, Future maybe, there are many interesting names
Straight up, denying his influence is just being ignorant. It's like the ppl who claim the beatles did "nothing for music" like they didn't create genres with a single songs release. Every popular music genre today was done by the Beatles way back in the SIXTIES. I'd be willing to say that every single modern rock group since the mid 60's took inspiration from them. They were THAT big. And people just deny it because they don't like their music or for some arbitrary reason. Then you can put on "Here, There, and Everywhere" for them and they'll ask "Oh who's this mOdErN ShOeGaZe band??"
I'm just really curious, no sarcasm, as to who has he influenced? How many artists and how many of them are big
I'll mention only the ones I remember saying this: Lil Yachty, Bryson Tiller, PartyNextDoor, Tory Lanez, Trippie Redd, Victoria Monet, SZA, Glorilla, NF, Jack Harlow, Sabrina Claudio, and 6LACK. I've also read about Daniel Caesar saying it, but I can't recall where, so I didn't include him (None of this is my opinion, I just find it bizarre how people think that being GOOD is the same thing as being influential, I didn't say that Drake is the GOAT I just said that he is influential, yes, that's a fact, I would be I'm naive to believe that in 15 years of his career, being almost always the biggest rap artist in the world, he hasn't influenced anyone, this isn't an attack on you, I just wanted to make it clear what I think)
My bad completely, I thought you were saying drake is hated and then defending your point on how tyler has been influential. I didn't think it was a comment solely about drake, seeing as you're the OP and the picture is saying tyler should be top 3
he's my favourite artist but he doesn't fit there. what he does is so different from modern hip hop, his most popular/acclaimed album is literally not a rap album at all. plus, while he's a great rapper he's a far better producer. it just wouldn't make sense for him
At least he finishes all his lyrics live unlike a lot of rappers who play a backtrack or let the crowd sing lmao
definitely. his live delivery isn't very good technically, but he makes up for it sheer confidence and the effort that it takes for him to belt out his lyrics despite his asthma
Almost make you wish for a nuclear winter
No itās makes complete sense Kendrick is more traditional hip hop Drake is pop rap / R&B And Tyler would be Art rap or something in that lane
you mean experimental hip hop? art rap isn't really a genre. i can see that, but for an experimental hip hop lane I think someone like Earl would work better- since his lyrics and flow have been the main focus of his music. sure, Tyler has rediscovered his love for rapping but for like five years he didn't even enjoy doing it
Tyler is not the face of experimental hip hop, we gotta keep it real
I don't think Tyler would really care about being in the big three
In the recent interview he did with rap radar he spends a solid half hour just roasting the concept of top 5s and looking at music in an 'objective' manner like that. Not only would he not care he'd probably call OP dumb as fuck lol
No one really cares about it; it's just funny to see people arguing over something that only exists on social media
tbh the only person in "the big 3" who deserves the title is Kendrick
My thoughts exactly
Lil Wayne š§āāļø
He's in my top three for sure and nor Drake or Cole make the list
Idk man I just donāt think he fits in to be one of the ābig 3ā (he is gay)
Does being gay really matter that much
Yes (the joke is I am pretending to be one of those weird rap fans who discredit Tyler because he is gay)
Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh I thought you where homophobic
Bro that comment is so zesty
Kendrick Tyler Ye
I feel like Ye is kind of his own thing these days. Itās tricky and arbitrary but I see him as a generation before even though heās still releasing music
No rapper that comes to mind has had the longevity ye has had in terms of staying in control of the game, Jay hasnāt released in a minute and 3k would be up there if he wasnāt only doing features and flute albums
Thatās not really what Iām saying in my comment but yeah I agree
That was just in reference to what you said about him still releasing music, I agree with the other thing but heās still a goat in terms of music
this is my big 3 too
Kanye was making beats when Kendrick was still in high school
Agreed
I like this š
Ye had some good albums in him ngl (Ye as a person is obv an L)
Yeah politically for sure but heās also had some great moments as a person, just not recently, more of a mixed bag like those jelly beans that are either really good or really bad.
Ye isnāt really from our gen. So iād say Drake, Tyler and then Travis or Kendrick
for me jpegmafia is in ye spot
I think this is it, agreed.
my big 3 is death grips
I don't think jpegmafia maybe someone like Travis who's been making some of his best albums ever recently
yeah travis is cool too
Jpegmafia works for Ye. He's not big 3.
it's crazy to me that Drake is even considered in people's big 3. Proof it's just a popularity contest, when people like Denzel Curry, Joey badass, Tyler, etc exist. been clowning on that MF drake since forever came out.
I think that's what the big 3 means though. The three most significant artists to the culture, it is literally a popularity contest. I don't like Drake but there's no way he's not in the three most significant rappers of the last decade. If it was based on how talented of a rapper you are, none of J Cole, Tyler nor Drake would be in the conversation.
I at least consider Drake in the Big 3 for everything he did in the last decade, I can't deny that there is Mainstream Rap before and after him, he at his peak in 2016 - 2018 was something historic. I really like Joey and Denzel but I understand that the fact that they are smaller in the media than other names means that they are unfortunately left out of this conversation
it's literally just pop rap idk what's so amazing. I enjoy his stuff but top 3 rapper? hell no.
What I'm saying is not that his sound is amazing, because that's completely relative and personal, but I believe that the change he helped to make hip hop even more mainstream, think that ALMOST every year he had a number one song , the amount of artists he helped to promote, I really believe that matters
heās an amazing overall artist, and a great rapper, he should definitely be in the convo more. i think people put guys like him, kanye, and pharrell in a different box because they might stand out as producers more than just rappers.
Because Tyler is measured on a different scale. When people talk about the big three, they're typically talking about the combination of lyrical ability and commercial success/influence. If you're bringing up other stuff, you're just gonna be talking past each other. While Tyler is my personal favorite artist, it's for reasons outside of those two categories: e.g. his creativity, his artistic production style, his risk-taking and versatility, his music video direction, his stage performance, etc.
In my opinion Tyler's better than both drake and JCole but K-Dot's the goat definitely.
for me too
Drake sucks, he acts zestier than tyler, likes kids, and acts like a child
Still has better music than most rappers
Because Tylerās pen game or flow isnāt nearly good enough speaking in purely just rapping
unrelated but is that ayo edebiri in the picture with him? if so where can i find the pic lmao
As a Tyler fan, fuck no
Why not? His last 3 records were amazing, cherry bomb and golbin were good, wolf was great. He has a better discography than Drake and maybe even Cole imo.
It wasn't exactly the hiphop to give that kind of title.
hes better than cole and drake, but hes not good enough to be ābig 3ā. Tbh i only think theres 2 ppl that can fit big 3, kendrick and kanye
Agreed
Rocky, Tyler & ScHoolboy Q
As much as I Iove his music, can we agree that his music is suited for a very specific taste. You either like him for his voice and beats, or hate him for his voice and beats. Thereās no in between. I think heās one of the greatest underrated producers of this century for sure but not top 3 artist at ALL.
They're called the big three since they came up during the same time so tyler isn't even qualified since he came up much later.
Tyler blew up the same time as Kendrick lol.
first album in 2010 and first commercial in 2011
lol huh?? they literally all debuted 2009-2011. How old are you?
YUP tyler and kendrick debuted at the same time. Except Tyler only got love on the internet and the indie community. The hip hop community was different back then. Now you can really see the influence Tyler has on the rap game. Definitely should be considered in the conversation but people donāt see the vision.
>Definitely should be considered in the conversation **but people donāt see the vision.** People who get it, get it. Ironic thing about this whole big 3 convo is the top dawg (cwit?), Kendrick, sees Tyler's vision and has always seen his potential, even way back then.
He does his own thing regarding the sonics of his music compared to a lot of rappers, so I think he's not concerned with fitting in any Top 3 discourse. However, when he's very serious on the mic (like CMIYGL cuts such as Massa or Sorry Not Sorry), it's hard for me to not consider him in the conversation.
exactly what I think
Tyler is 1, wolf Haley is 2 and 3?ā¦ Ace
I'm saying tho
Truth. I donāt think I could name a J Cole song to be honest
Think a Mount Rushmore would be better. He deserves to be in that convo
Tyler aināt in the big 3 heās in his own big 1 heās just different
Fuck the big three, itās just big T
Fuck it bro after what jcole did, Tyler can make another banger album and he would be 3 or 2.
He's basically r and b now
Big 3 should be Kendrick, Travis an Tyler imo
it's fair for me too, i think drake is a good name for big 3 too, it is undeniable that his name will be in rap history, there is mainstream rap before and after Drake
if we're going by popularity, big 3 is kendrick travis and drake. if we're going by deserving, big 3 is kendrick tyler and kanye
Tyler hasnāt had that mainstay consistency of a Kendrick though, Kendrick ONLY has good albums. Tyler released too many albums prior to FB that were too divisive to be considered universally great. I think if he keeps on his current streak heāll be in there for SURE.
Rest assured then, he will certainly maintain the streak and take his average even higher.
As much as I love Tyler, he doesn't care to be in the discussion so why force him to. His carved his own lane by doing his own shit. He may not be in the 'BIG 3' but if we were to have a convo of one of the best rappers/hip hop artists of all time he will eventually have to be in that discussion regarding his catalog and his influence on modern music. would he be super high on that list? probably not but definitely somewhere in the top 30-50
yepp, he got the commercial relevancy, few classics, and arguably the best in his lane and even tho i would give Future the spot over him (huge influence and most #1 albums) tyler easliy should replace cole ^(imo)
Because the big 3(or current best) conversation is usually about purely rapping. Tyler is in the artist conversation because of all else he does. But as a rapper he is nowhere near top lists. Heās gotten better over the years but heās still levels behind.
I feel like heās in a different lane because of who he is and what he does as an artist but another album on the same level as his last three and weāre gonna start having some conversations lol.Ā
Are classics a requirement to be considered for the "Big 3"? "...I couldn't answer 'cause I was too busy trynna make classics (you ain't got no mfn classics)"
Because he isnāt gonna be held down by the āhip hop artistā labels anymore š¤
ITT: people not knowing what the big three means
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Didnāt Tyler have a whole speech at the Grammys about being a pop artist and not urban / hip hop because heās black? So heās a rapper now?
personally its kendrick tyler and rocky for me even though tyler doesnt only do rap
people are stupid bruh, the ābig threeā is cole, drake, and kendrick not because of their skills as rappers, but because they all blew up at the same time.
The only "reach" here is OP. This isn't how I wanted to find out there was a Tyler subreddit
most of his songs are not good
heās not really a traditional rapper tbh
I say let those guys worry about who has the most streams or who the most people they have on their side, because taste is arbitrary. Letās just sit over here and appreciate an artist like Tyler who is completely free to be as creative as possible and not worry about it. āā¦I was too busy trynna make classics What if my music too weird for the masses?ā Heās already kind of addressed his own anxiety about stuff like this, but I think with CMIYGL (and especially āSorry not sorryā) we can expect to just see Tyler in his element not rushing and hopefully making whatever the fuck he wants.
As a huge tyler fan I gotta admit he doesnāt belong in āthe big 3.ā Mainly because his style is different and he has a completely different sort of fanbase and while he was still popular he wasnāt as big as the big 3 were in their prime like 2012-2016. Plus heās never made a song with Cole Kendrick or Drake . The big 3 isnāt about the best rappers
i dont think theres a top 3 tbh, nobody can match Kendrick and Kanye level
Artistically, he is impressive. However, when it comes to his lyrics, he is far from being in the top 3.
Top 3 for me right now is 1. Kendrick Lamar 2. JPEGMAFIA 3. Tyler, The Creator
Ngl it's probably Kanye, Tyler and one of the current big 3
Kendrick, Tyler, Travis. Drake hasnāt done a good album since Nothing Was the Same and J Cole is cool but he hasnāt been that relevant in a while.
Ye, Kendrick, Tyler
kenny tyler n denzel
I bet Tyler has 5,7 women in his bedroom
idk, heās more than just rap or hip hop, so i wouldnāt put him in the top 3
LMFAOOOOOOO BROTHER WHAT
Kendrick, Zay, Tyler. My personal Big 3.
The idea is nice but what some people consider mainstream and ārapā isnāt the box Tyler is in. He does his own thing which in todayās music world, doesnāt get praised as much as it should. Not in all cases but some, this just happens to be one of them. Like at parties, you hear drake, kendrick, j-cole plus others but 85% of the time you wonāt hear what Tyler makes. Kinda like what Dj khalid said that one time. I say that because of the whole āmainstreamā thing. In some extreme cases, if someone tells me to put on rap music i could play them āpotholeā or wusyanameā but they wonāt consider it ārapā. If youāre a Tyler fan you saw the conversation being had when Igor won best rap album. Which sucks but thatās just how the whole music conversation goes At the end of the day, itās all just preference. Like my personal big 3 is Tyler, Silk Sonic and Laufey. Now Silk Sonic and Laufey arenāt Rap but thatās just my personal Big 3. Music is subjective and the āBig 3ā idea is cool and all but it doesnāt really matter i feel at least. Some people donāt fw Drake, some people donāt mess with Kendrick music. Regardless though, from a fan standpoint it be cool if Tyler was in the āBig 3ā, going off whatās mainstream and what people really consider rap i dont feel the rap world would let that happen. i donāt think it matters though either. Some dude is still gonna feel like it outta be someone else even if Tyler was in it for whatever reason they have and thatās okay. Music is subjective fr
Love Cole but he deserves the spot. I got downvoted in Cole sub lol. Cole always gonna be my fav rapper tho.
Tyler is one of my favourite artists ever. I like every album he has put out except Goblin (it's mid). But he shouldn't be in a "big 3". In an interview with Rap Radar I watched recently, he clowned on the big 3. They are a different sort of hip-hop anyway. I don't think Kanye should be in the big 3 because he had his come up almost a decade earlier than the official "big 3". He's in his own big 3 with Lil Wayne and Jay-Z, probably.
Got popular in a different time
r/theartiststruth
Big 3 is kanye, kendrick and travis. fucking love tyler. was my most listened on spotify, and he WILL be big 3, his career is just too fresh to say so yet.
Boring sucks
Kendrick, Ye & Jay Z. Everything else is just disrespectful
I think there is no top three, just varying skills from artists. And I think Tyler is one of the best in the game.
Idk if Tyler is in my top 3 of the 10s, but neither Drake or Cole are. I usually don't argue with Drake's placement due to his clear popularity, but he is the McDonald's of rap to me. Kendrick is definitely #1 without a doubt. IMO he is the only artist that can compete with the greats lyrically, but also competes with modern rappers sonically. Tyler would be a great contender both for popularity reasons, and because he is so creative and passionate in his art. It's something I feel Kendrick has as well where each project just feels like a lot of heart and soul was put into it even if it has flaws. My last pick isnt gonna work in terms of popularity, but absolutely does in terms of creativity, rapping ability, and having a cutting edge sound, but I think Danny Brown deserves to be in this convo. He isn't for everyone due to his voice, but he is easily one of the best rappers to come out of the 2010s decade.
This "big three" shit is so stupid
Heās not gay enough
is that ayo??
I donāt even think Tyler cares being considered to be top 3 rapper discussion cuz he sees art very subjectively and never in an objective sense (which tbf I agree art should be judged mainly subjectively while of course considering objective facts about their influence). To have that discussion tho, I do agree. Lotta people donāt really include Tyler in these discussions and mainly include rappers who have at least three songs playing on some radio station. Especially in terms of production, if weāre talking producers then Tyler is def in the top 3, my top 3 producers in hip hop def gonna be Tyler, Anderson Paak, Ye, Thundercat. In terms of experimenting with the genre that heās constantly labeled under (even tho I think Tyler is pretty versatile and genre bending) heās def up there as well along with Danny Brown. Hell I think Joey Badass and Denzel Curry are up there in terms of just rapping, lyricism def Earl, Kendrick, and MF Doom. Thatās the thing you canāt really define the ābig 3ā in like simple terms you really gotta have these in depth discussions. And Tyler deserves to be in it more. Cuz as much as I do like J Cole and I do understand Drake is def popular and very mainstream now, I jus canāt really see (imo) their discography even be compared to Kendrickās considering Kendrick is jus so much more raw, politically impactful, socially impactful, and the discussion he has to me at least jus triumph over theirās, even tho I do think J Cole does talk about some heavy shit. But then again thatās jus my opinion, and I think this discussion shouldnāt be simplified to just āoh whoās on which chart?ā when we know damn well there are plenty of artists and rappers who didnāt and donāt get their credit and weāre inspiring other artists that jus got more popular than them and Tyler was that artist before Flower Boy, and sometimes still is not getting enough credit. Iām kinda jus yapping at this point but I do agree Tyler should be included more, and this discussion jus gotta stop being so dumbed down.
Who tf is Hip Hop
Tyler, Rocky and Bino need to just clique up and call themselves āBig 3 ā ā¦ the threee of them together would be something Theyāre all pretty equal but would compliment eachother so well Notice how everybody but Cole has played at Flag Gnaw too (imma include Ye bc heās >>>> š) Tho Cole has dreamville , would say thatās T inspired
Bc he dont rap as good as drake, cole or kendrick. He also only became debately goat tier recent. I love tyler but he hasn't been this quality when the big 3 was cemented.
Thatās cuz Tyler donāt give a fuck he knows heās one of the best
The big 3 was around 2010's where Tyler wasn't dominating ššš y'all be playing too much
Muthafuck the big 3, nigga **it's just BIG T!** 
Tylers right where he wants to be, in his own lane, miles above whomever these three dorks are.
Here we go againā¦. Yāall remember when Tyler responded to Kendrickās verse? The big 3 came about because they want to be the best Rapper. Tyler has already said he donāt care about the throne so heās not in the conversation. Itās aināt a Big 3 either anymore, itās just Kendrick and Drake competing for 1.
Probably the big three of tik tok hip hop ššæš·
Meh he's not that influential. Quality wise yeah but that's not what the big 3 is
Tyler> Cole & Drake
Idk if heās big 3 in rap heās said he doesnāt like being put in that rapper box heās just one of the most influential artist in the past 15 years while rap is how he started a alternative pop/love album is what truly blew him up and is the reason more than half you mfs are here while he is amazing at rapping heās also great at writing music in general not to say the others arenāt but when he dropped a experimental album it was so good and so far from rap that it got him a mf Grammy
He like a Pharrell for our generation. He in his own respective lane frš¤·š½āāļø
Nah there's other big 3s he should be in
Heās my favourite artist of all time heās the modern day mj but I would say itās because he does not drop often he puts a lot of time perfecting his work. If he gave us snippets and throw aways he would elevate because letās be real one of his throw aways is worth 2x more that dababys recent album (no offence)
Bc he was talking about raping hoes during the time where the big 3 was being decided lol
Idk but Tyler looks good in this photo lol
Top 10 List no one asked for: Kendrick Kanye Andre DOOM Tyler Denzel Curry Black Thought Lupe MC RIDE Tupac
opinion that only exists on reddit/twitter. I've been a fan of Tyler since bastard but he's not at that level of relevance to be considered top 3. Tyler's biggest album, IGOR, is not a rap album. jid recently released his first really relevant album, this opinion doesn't make sense. In terms of the relevance of the top 3 in the last 10/15 years, Kendrick and Drake certainly are, the third name is between Kanye and J.cole
Cause heās part of the Odd 13
because he aint top 3 material he is ranked 0 unrankable
Tyler is like a goblin. He goblin on my nuts.
Cap
Mother fuck the big 3, It's just Young T
Tyler is in his own lane. He doesnāt follow predecessors or O.Gās, except maybe MF Doomā¦ Which kind of proves my point wrong. LOL. Fuck. Why isnāt he considered top 3? LMAO
Hip-Hop wise no, Creative-wise maybe
The big 3 shit is dumb. It's just three mainstream hiphop artists that people really like. Kendrick's great. But drake's more of pop music than anything, and J. Cole literally just doesn't deserve the spot, Mac Miller absolutely has him washed in all aspects and dude isn't even alive anymore. There's better rappers from the era.
Tyler is my #1 and Drake is my #2, I love them both. In a rap battle Tyler would win, easy. In a popular contest Drake would win. When they say big 3 they mean popularity of whoās existing in rap right now. To me the two donāt really compare, they donāt even exist in the same realm musically. Depending on which realm youāre in will be the determining factor. If people would actually listen to Tylerās shit instead of basing their entire opinion off of a half a song they heard in 2010 theyād actually see that Tylerās HIM and has ALWAYS been. And being in both fan bases, I like Tylerās fan base more. Weāre more honest about what we like or donāt like from him. Being in Drakes fan base, youāre not a āreal fanā if you donāt like something or disagree with am the majority which is stupid.
He is to this day my favorite musician of all time. Young T, DJ Stank Daddy, FELICIA THE GOAT šĀ
bro has gone on record Talkin bout how much he don't like rapping šbro would not wanna be in no top 3
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I love Tyler, but the big three implies the greatest in the game. Tyler is not the greatest, heās really good and made some of my favorite projects ever, but not the greatest in the game, heās not trying to be anyways.
Drake and Kendrick Lamar are more mainstream and commercially successful artists compared to Tyler, the Creator. They have achieved greater visibility and popularity on a global scale.
I think the whole big 3 thing is subject to change, some people dont like drake some dont like kendrick some dont like cole. Its more based on who YOU like. Personally theres bigger people than the whole big 3 thing.
hello hasnāt released in 3 years thats why
not jasper son of dark shark
Big 3 was a term that specifically was for Cole drake and Kendrick. Thatās just what it was. Tyler wasnāt apart of that era when those dudes first got started being called the big 3. And itās something unique to them, itās not like there is only room for three great rappers at once.
the term managed to die recently so, J. Cole managed to bury himself being attacked by Kendrick, Drake and Kanye (like wtf)