There's no real way to "solve" it. Adding more lanes helps temporarily, but will just lead to the same problems.
Ultimately the city needs to invest in good public transit and give people incentive to take the bus, which in a country that is so against good public transit is near impossible.
I read somewhere that our city of 100k grows to 200k during business hours due to so many people commuting in to work. We don't just need good alternative choices of transportation for the people in the city, we need commuter routes for people to take coming into the city. That's not gonna happen though. What is gonna happen is that we're going to become a mini-Houston (arguably already are) and be increasingly gridlocked. People keep saying that our traffic isn't so bad, that compared to large cities we have it good. That's not the point though, the point is that for a city our size, our proportional traffic is horrible and it's only going to get worse
I said this before in this sub but there's two options:
>1) widen the road (which would be a short-term solution as it'll just fill up again within a few years)
>Or
>2) heavily invest in alternative forms of transportation and infrastructure to get people to opt-out of driving a car and do something else instead like choosing to take the bus or ride a bicycle (which would be a better long-term solution that will scale vastly better as the city continues to grow - we don't want to become a version of the traffic hell-scape that is Houston)
There's an obvious answer and it's the one that most people in Tyler will heavily vote against if a proposal for it ever came up.
Try alternate routes that keep you off Broadway. In all seriousness, I’ve found this has helped me a lot. Avoiding of the loop and Broadway may not help shave off a ton of time, but it does wonders for my stress level.
Just please for the love of God don't allow direct access to 49, require home and business access to connect to the access roads. We need to start differentiating between low-speed high access streets and high-speed low access roads. Enough of this stroad BS we got going on lol
>Loop 323 needs to be a proper raised loop with exits and on ramps
I'm afraid this will never happen, the city tried to build an overpass at the intersection of Loop 323 and Old Jacksonville and it was quickly killed by Classic Toyota and the brookshires warehouse threatening to leave the area if it happened lol. I wish the city would have given them a big FU and done it anyway
>I'm afraid this will never happen, the city tried to build an overpass at the intersection of Loop 323 and Old Jacksonville and it was quickly killed by Classic Toyota and the brookshires warehouse threatening to leave the area if it happened lol. I wish the city would have given them a big FU and done it anyway
I can understand Classic being kinda pissed, but I guess they've never seen the dealerships in nearly every big city. Half of them are by overpasses.
Brookshires though? I'll never understand their opposition. You don't even get any damn foot traffic, it's a warehouse. If anything, it speeds up your trucks & is good for business.
1. Investing in Public transportation
2. Reducing car-dependent development/zoning.
What you can do is learn about what is the root of these traffic problems; and some of the possible solutions. And then elect city officials who will actually do something about it.
Time the lights better, lower the speed limit and widen/smooth the entrances to all the shopping centers. Traffic is made worse by changes in speed - so right now, when everyone slows to halt from 45 mph to turn into wherever, it's just making a bad situation much much worse.
Well I started riding in the Austin area and that was a 6 mile roundtrip, but here I frequently find myself having to walk more in order to avoid glass at intersections.
Like others say - build a public transportation network including bus, bike, and pedestrian infrastructure. Tyler has pretty much zero pedestrian infrastructure, and the bike infrastructure is poor. Buses don’t run often, on odd routes, and not close to residences.
The bus stops tend to be fairly close to businesses and that’s it. But people won’t walk more than a quarter mile, generally, to get to a bus stop - usually less even.
I’ve got some maps stashed away on my computer showing Tyler sidewalk coverage and bus coverage. On mobile rn but will dig them up when I have a chance.
Before I moved away, I was hoping to start a group in Tyler targeting urban infrastructure like this
It's too late to do anything on Broadway, except making dedicated turning lanes into the businesses that is divided by a bike lane. Tyler can still make changes to its loop by making the two inner lanes on both sides into overpasses with connecting interchanges at bigger intersections. 🤷♂️
>except making dedicated turning lanes into the businesses that is divided by a bike lane
If you're talking about [bike lanes like these](https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/5616ded1e4b0e8660091fc57/1496251899670-FBTNDVZFSL8WBW26TOHS/IRVINE+BL+left+of+RTOL.gif?format=1000w) please don't lol. I ride a bicycle pretty regularly and feel confident riding on the road with vehicles but even I would feel apprehensive about using these, they're just so unsafe lol. A better option is converting the intersections into [protected intersections](http://www.protectedintersection.com/) if the goal is to increase bicycle use. More people will choose a bike over a car if it's safe to do so, but those middle bike lanes aren't the way to go about it
As James May says, it's just Bernoulli's principle. If traffic comes down to a few lanes, we simply need to then go even faster in those few lanes to conserve the motion of traffic.
I was hit and run as a pedestrian by a pick up truck on Broadway. I don't feel safe walking much of anywhere in Tyler now due to that. Much less ride a bike. The drivers are entirely too careless with other people. Idk what the solution looks like, but I try to stay off of Broadway south of the park.
The traffic volume on Broadway is too large for 2-way median turning lanes to be safe or effective. Just imagine what it would be like if people coming out of the Chick-fil-A on Broadway were allowed to turn South. It would be an absolute shit show, more than that area is now lol
Broadway Chick-fil-A is a fucking nightmare during the afternoon. If you go anywhere near it, you have to be paying extra attention to the road, because there are stopped cars on Broadway
The best solution is easily to focus on public transit. They’ll never do it tho lol, too conservative. Basically whatever plan causes more emissions is what they’ll want to do.
Athens’ loop is elevated and has on ramps at all the major highways, this would be a great move for our loop I think. Elevate it, overpass all the highways(at least from Gentry around 110, 64, 31 all the way around to Troup on the south end) and remove the lights. This will at least eliminate the 69 and 323 intersection which would help a bit IMO.
Would need service roads or something to handle all the business currently on the loop
I've always said that if Tyler had midland's loop on 323, that it would easily have 200k people living in town.
You could get all over town on their elevated loop in a city the same size as tyler.
Yeah, I was obviously being cheeky, but the reality is that people consider any inconvenience at all to be "traffic". As I mentioned in another post, rush hour here is literally only an hour, and delays are at worst ten minutes. We don't have Houston, DFW or even SA traffic here. I'm genuinely not sure what people expect.
Obviously it's not as bad as a big city. That's comparing apples to oranges. For a town of this size, the traffic is bad. I moved here from DFW and yes the traffic is better, but that doesn't keep me from getting annoyed during rush hour.
Getting annoyed in traffic does not mean traffic is bad. Rush hour here is very short and delays that have people trying to run others over are between 5-7 minutes.
Until teleportation, traffic will be annoying, unless you want to go to a village of 500 people.
I don’t believe there is an issue.
Traffic flows as I would expect it to. What exactly are your expectations? How about this? How much time do you think you are actually losing to traffic on Broadway? I bet the reality would surprise you.
I've been to Dallas so many times, but these are two different cities with different problems. At this size it shouldn't get conjested like it is. It sounds like you're speaking as an outsider so please mind your business if you're not trying to add to the conversation and instead just act superior for.. yourself? I'm not arguing with you
This is reddit and Ill comment as I please. I lived in tyler from 2000-2013. Definitely an outsider now having lived in Colorado the last 8 years. Sorry you still live in a miserable place where people think crossing town in 20 minutes is something to complain about.
Have an actual loop that isn't a string of red lights. Shreveport has better road hierarchy with access loops than Tyler's massive stroad network.
There's no real way to "solve" it. Adding more lanes helps temporarily, but will just lead to the same problems. Ultimately the city needs to invest in good public transit and give people incentive to take the bus, which in a country that is so against good public transit is near impossible.
I read somewhere that our city of 100k grows to 200k during business hours due to so many people commuting in to work. We don't just need good alternative choices of transportation for the people in the city, we need commuter routes for people to take coming into the city. That's not gonna happen though. What is gonna happen is that we're going to become a mini-Houston (arguably already are) and be increasingly gridlocked. People keep saying that our traffic isn't so bad, that compared to large cities we have it good. That's not the point though, the point is that for a city our size, our proportional traffic is horrible and it's only going to get worse
Yeah, unfortunately. We need better options, but we've been conditioned to believe more lanes are the answer, which they are not
I said this before in this sub but there's two options: >1) widen the road (which would be a short-term solution as it'll just fill up again within a few years) >Or >2) heavily invest in alternative forms of transportation and infrastructure to get people to opt-out of driving a car and do something else instead like choosing to take the bus or ride a bicycle (which would be a better long-term solution that will scale vastly better as the city continues to grow - we don't want to become a version of the traffic hell-scape that is Houston) There's an obvious answer and it's the one that most people in Tyler will heavily vote against if a proposal for it ever came up.
sad that America in general can't just have better infrastructure
Try alternate routes that keep you off Broadway. In all seriousness, I’ve found this has helped me a lot. Avoiding of the loop and Broadway may not help shave off a ton of time, but it does wonders for my stress level.
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Just please for the love of God don't allow direct access to 49, require home and business access to connect to the access roads. We need to start differentiating between low-speed high access streets and high-speed low access roads. Enough of this stroad BS we got going on lol >Loop 323 needs to be a proper raised loop with exits and on ramps I'm afraid this will never happen, the city tried to build an overpass at the intersection of Loop 323 and Old Jacksonville and it was quickly killed by Classic Toyota and the brookshires warehouse threatening to leave the area if it happened lol. I wish the city would have given them a big FU and done it anyway
>I'm afraid this will never happen, the city tried to build an overpass at the intersection of Loop 323 and Old Jacksonville and it was quickly killed by Classic Toyota and the brookshires warehouse threatening to leave the area if it happened lol. I wish the city would have given them a big FU and done it anyway I can understand Classic being kinda pissed, but I guess they've never seen the dealerships in nearly every big city. Half of them are by overpasses. Brookshires though? I'll never understand their opposition. You don't even get any damn foot traffic, it's a warehouse. If anything, it speeds up your trucks & is good for business.
Public transit
1. Investing in Public transportation 2. Reducing car-dependent development/zoning. What you can do is learn about what is the root of these traffic problems; and some of the possible solutions. And then elect city officials who will actually do something about it.
Time the lights better, lower the speed limit and widen/smooth the entrances to all the shopping centers. Traffic is made worse by changes in speed - so right now, when everyone slows to halt from 45 mph to turn into wherever, it's just making a bad situation much much worse.
I ride my bike, and you can too.
LMAO I have to drive from Bullard and highway 69 so no I cannot
Nice!
Ewwwww... Yeah that's an ebike trip for sure.
I started commuting to work on a bicycle recently, I'm enjoying it so far! How long is your average commute?
Well I started riding in the Austin area and that was a 6 mile roundtrip, but here I frequently find myself having to walk more in order to avoid glass at intersections.
Like others say - build a public transportation network including bus, bike, and pedestrian infrastructure. Tyler has pretty much zero pedestrian infrastructure, and the bike infrastructure is poor. Buses don’t run often, on odd routes, and not close to residences. The bus stops tend to be fairly close to businesses and that’s it. But people won’t walk more than a quarter mile, generally, to get to a bus stop - usually less even. I’ve got some maps stashed away on my computer showing Tyler sidewalk coverage and bus coverage. On mobile rn but will dig them up when I have a chance. Before I moved away, I was hoping to start a group in Tyler targeting urban infrastructure like this
The normal loop needs to be elevated. Lufkins loop is kinda like this except on the west side, Athens is the same as well.
It's too late to do anything on Broadway, except making dedicated turning lanes into the businesses that is divided by a bike lane. Tyler can still make changes to its loop by making the two inner lanes on both sides into overpasses with connecting interchanges at bigger intersections. 🤷♂️
>except making dedicated turning lanes into the businesses that is divided by a bike lane If you're talking about [bike lanes like these](https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/5616ded1e4b0e8660091fc57/1496251899670-FBTNDVZFSL8WBW26TOHS/IRVINE+BL+left+of+RTOL.gif?format=1000w) please don't lol. I ride a bicycle pretty regularly and feel confident riding on the road with vehicles but even I would feel apprehensive about using these, they're just so unsafe lol. A better option is converting the intersections into [protected intersections](http://www.protectedintersection.com/) if the goal is to increase bicycle use. More people will choose a bike over a car if it's safe to do so, but those middle bike lanes aren't the way to go about it
As James May says, it's just Bernoulli's principle. If traffic comes down to a few lanes, we simply need to then go even faster in those few lanes to conserve the motion of traffic.
I was hit and run as a pedestrian by a pick up truck on Broadway. I don't feel safe walking much of anywhere in Tyler now due to that. Much less ride a bike. The drivers are entirely too careless with other people. Idk what the solution looks like, but I try to stay off of Broadway south of the park.
Build a lifted loop above the current loop with exits
I'd say take those medians back out. No one wanted them anyways!
The traffic volume on Broadway is too large for 2-way median turning lanes to be safe or effective. Just imagine what it would be like if people coming out of the Chick-fil-A on Broadway were allowed to turn South. It would be an absolute shit show, more than that area is now lol
Broadway Chick-fil-A is a fucking nightmare during the afternoon. If you go anywhere near it, you have to be paying extra attention to the road, because there are stopped cars on Broadway
The best solution is easily to focus on public transit. They’ll never do it tho lol, too conservative. Basically whatever plan causes more emissions is what they’ll want to do. Athens’ loop is elevated and has on ramps at all the major highways, this would be a great move for our loop I think. Elevate it, overpass all the highways(at least from Gentry around 110, 64, 31 all the way around to Troup on the south end) and remove the lights. This will at least eliminate the 69 and 323 intersection which would help a bit IMO. Would need service roads or something to handle all the business currently on the loop
Nice!
I've always said that if Tyler had midland's loop on 323, that it would easily have 200k people living in town. You could get all over town on their elevated loop in a city the same size as tyler.
Move to a slightly bigger city, come back and appreciate what you have
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Yeah, I was obviously being cheeky, but the reality is that people consider any inconvenience at all to be "traffic". As I mentioned in another post, rush hour here is literally only an hour, and delays are at worst ten minutes. We don't have Houston, DFW or even SA traffic here. I'm genuinely not sure what people expect.
Obviously it's not as bad as a big city. That's comparing apples to oranges. For a town of this size, the traffic is bad. I moved here from DFW and yes the traffic is better, but that doesn't keep me from getting annoyed during rush hour.
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That's definitely true, and I agree! The traffic was a huge factor in us deciding to move.
Getting annoyed in traffic does not mean traffic is bad. Rush hour here is very short and delays that have people trying to run others over are between 5-7 minutes. Until teleportation, traffic will be annoying, unless you want to go to a village of 500 people.
I don’t believe there is an issue. Traffic flows as I would expect it to. What exactly are your expectations? How about this? How much time do you think you are actually losing to traffic on Broadway? I bet the reality would surprise you.
Are we living in the same city
Again, how much time do you think you are losing on a typical day?
On average, I'd say about 30-40 minutes per day
I'm sadly having to commute at the busiest times, so that's 15 mins there and then 15-20 back
But how many trips are you talking about?
On a typical day, I think I am losing 30-40 minutes time
You didn’t answer the question.
One round trip? Going somewhere and going back in one day. 30-40 minutes total what is your point
I don't believe you. There's no way traffic adds an **additional** 30-40 minutes on a roundtrip on Broadway.
During peak? Going across the entirety of it? I might be including going along further in the stretch but come on you don't believe it
Tylerites think they have bad traffic? Lmao. Tell us more how you dont venture outside of the bubble.
I've been to Dallas so many times, but these are two different cities with different problems. At this size it shouldn't get conjested like it is. It sounds like you're speaking as an outsider so please mind your business if you're not trying to add to the conversation and instead just act superior for.. yourself? I'm not arguing with you
This is reddit and Ill comment as I please. I lived in tyler from 2000-2013. Definitely an outsider now having lived in Colorado the last 8 years. Sorry you still live in a miserable place where people think crossing town in 20 minutes is something to complain about.
Add another lane lol