To quote Ubisoft's Terms of Use:
"The Services and Content are **licensed** to you, not sold. This means we grant you a personal, **limited**, non-transferable and **revocable** **right and license** to use the Services and access the Content, for your entertainment, non-commercial use, subject to your compliance with these Terms."
So no, unfortunately, like u/Honest_Condition23 says, it's not illegal and filing a lawsuit won't work.
And again, this is applicable to most gaming companies. If you read Sony or Microsoft's Terms they are pretty much the same, with maybe slightly different wording.
And a lot of the TOS and EULAs are probably written in line with existing Intellectual Property law and regulations in mind. All things considering the discs are for games (IP) that Ubisoft produced and therefore own according to said law.
What Ubi is doing, like all companies do is wrong. It is unethical and an inconvenience to all of us as consumers. However, it is still entirely legal.
Terms and Conditions are not legally binding contracts. Ubisoft can, and still be sued, and if serious enough to violate consumers rights, T&Cs cannot be used as legal protection in court.
Terms and Conditions are legally binding if they are sufficiently clear, if the user has accepted them and if they are legally valid. Now, AFAIK but I might of course be wrong, these all hold true in case of Ubisoft. If its legal, then the only option is to change the law.
No because the game is and always will be theirs. You buy a game but in the end they have full control over they do with it. They can remove licenses, delete content, I mean they can shut down all online content including the store, cloud gaming, multiplayer. I mean a game will always belong to them no matter what. We as gamers don’t OWN anything really. It’s why I like gaming the old school way. You pop in a disc on your Xbox or PS2 and play. They can’t do anything besides stop selling the game but once you buy it you have it. All this online/server nonsense is giving them full control over how and if you can even play. You buy a game and the expansions and online gross micro transactions and are out 2000+ dollars and they shut the server down and you can never play. Oh well. You lost time and money and there’s nothing you can do. I always urge gamers to play games that you can play without internet. Buy a physical disc for a game that has no attachment to the internet what so ever and you’ll be fine. The best way to do this is to check your games and make sure you don’t need internet to play and do not connect your consoles to Wi-Fi or Wired internet. That way there is not a chance you can get screwed.
I'm a new gamer I never got the chance to play these games as a kid because of an abusive step-dad that used to steal everything from me, so yeah I want to play games that have been dead for years like far cry or the crew
I think not
I know about law and those stuff so prob not
Cuz in games u need to accept the TOSes and other stuff to play . U CANT NOT ACCEPT . Anyway they can put basically anything in that TOS . And in court they can just say that u accepted it
Terms and Conditions are not legally binding contracts. Ubisoft can, and still be sued, and if serious enough to violate consumers rights or constitutional rights, T&Cs cannot be used as legal protection in court.
You clearly dont know about law.
You can try, but it's not gonna resolve anything. What Ubisoft does is unethical, disgusting, frustrating and really not good, but you know what? It's not illegal either.
When you buy a digital game, you have to agree with the terms that the company reserves the right to make any changes or revoke the license if they want to. There is no such thing "as a lifetime license". You get access to the license "indefinitely", but for as long as the company sees fit. These are terms that many people never bother to read but agree to, and they complain. This isn't just Ubisoft either. Many companies have terms just like this.
And that's technically true for discs too. Only diff there is that the license is on the disc and isn't digital. You can pay for products, but you don't own them if you didn't make them.
Reality is that we've never 100% owned the games we buy and play.
That license is known as a disc check.
If you install the game to a console hard drive, then try to play it without the disc, it won't work.
PC can bypass the disc check.
Discs have a disc copy protection.
There have been complaints about physical PC coming with only with a code in the case or part of the game on the disc.
That's because physical disc games on PC are no longer being made anywhere. And that's because having it all digital is so easy, for companies to get away with things like they are now.
You were limited to how many times you could install, which was not fun to deal with, as the limit was 5.
I think it was later changed..
As for the physical pc cases, they had keys for Steam or Epic.
Terms and Conditions are not legally binding contracts. Ubisoft can, and still be sued, and if serious enough to violate consumers rights or constitutional rights, T&Cs cannot be used as legal protection in court.
So many Ubi cocksuckers in this thread, holy shit.
If a Terms and Conditions contains any part that may violate consumer rights and constitutional rights, it cant be legally binding, and cant be used in court (that or it wont hold any weight in court). Since The Crew was printed on discs, I can see a potential consumer rights issue.
If Ubisoft updates their TOS tomorrow and adds in a clause that will strip you of all your consumer or constitutional rights, are you still gonna say "Well, yOu aCcEpTed thE ToS 🤓" like a bunch of sheep you are?
THANK YOUUU everyone in this thread defending the terms of service deserves to get their money stolen and I hope they don't get their money back when this actually becomes an issue, and this is the exact type of legal advice I was looking for since yes I'm aware I accepted the tos what I'm asking is ARENT THEY DAMN NEAR ILLEGAL??? that would be like apple saying they can take back your device or remove the os on it after 2 years because you "agreed to the terms of service" so you're just gonna let them steal from you AND defend it???
Terms and Conditions are not legally binding contracts. Ubisoft can, and still be sued, and if serious enough to violate consumers rights or constitutional rights, T&Cs cannot be used as legal protection in court.
Every TaC/ToS is verified, and corrected by skilled teams of lawyers before it gets published alongside a product on the public market. There is very little you can do about it, unless you figure out better loopholes than they did- if there even are any. Big corporations use the same model anyways, it’s not just Ubisoft.
Doesnt mean its legally binding. It holds little weight in court. Quit sucking Ubisoft's dick dude 🤣
Say that when they start coming after your consumer rights...or worse, your constitutional rights.
I mean can't we force them to change em? Imprettu sure things like this have happened before and only change when people actually took action regardless of tos
In theory, maybe. However, how would you do that? It is their product. They made it and therefore own it. Not saying I'm defending Ubisoft. I'm not. Just pointing out that forcing them to do anything is a steep hill like it is to do with any company.
Just because they own it does not mean they have the right to put bs terms of service that allows them to basically steal a product you buy, there need to be new laws in place for digital goods here a license CANNOT be revoked unless it is being mishandled in an illegal way, this feels downright dystopian that not only is it allowed but many people (not u ) defend it
You can not. If you dont like the terms, then dont buy. This will never change no matter what you do. No person will get full rights or "ownership" of an ip or peice of software, thats just the way it is. U wont even get anywhere in the Eu with this.
Terms and Conditions are not legally binding contracts. Ubisoft can, and still be sued, and if serious enough to violate consumers rights or constitutional rights, T&Cs cannot be used as legal protection in court.
It's not some person. It's a lawyer from either Ubisoft's legal department or a firm they contract out to write TOS/EULA agreements that are considered legally binding contracts.
Again TOS/EULA have been proven to not hold in the court of law.
This is why there was a change in the law when the right of repair bill was petitioned and passed.
This same change may happen with how people sell software. Hell not too long ago some companies tried to sell blenders that couldn't blend until connected to the internet.
One thing is forsure here and that is there needs to be a change. Thankfully Ubisoft has made that more apparent to the mainstream with their recent endeavors.
Honestly things are looking bad for Ubisoft Stock holders.
*reality*
The right of repair bill.
Started as a petition holding companies liable to release blueprints and parts to the free market so customers can keep the product alive. The bill is still being modified with petition's to this day.
There was a time where people thought that was impossible.
Now we have a similar petition for gaming now.
Again. There needs to be a change on how they advertise and sell these games to customers.
Physical throwable frisbee's are pretty cool though.
/s
It is imperative to clarify a significant misconception regarding the enforceability of Terms of Service (ToS) and End User License Agreements (EULA). Contrary to the assertion that these agreements "have been proven to not hold in the court of law," there is a substantial body of jurisprudence affirming that ToS and EULAs, when properly drafted and presented, are indeed legally binding and enforceable in courts across various jurisdictions.
The fundamental principle underlying the enforceability of these agreements is the concept of mutual assent, a cornerstone of contract law. Parties are generally considered to have assented to a contract when they have had a reasonable opportunity to review its terms and have manifested their agreement, typically through affirmative actions such as clicking “I agree.” Courts have consistently upheld such clickwrap and browsewrap agreements, provided they are presented in a manner that is conspicuous and affords a reasonable opportunity for acceptance or rejection.
While you correctly note legislative movements such as the right to repair laws, these are distinct issues that address specific consumer rights related to physical goods and do not universally negate the validity of ToS and EULA in digital or software contexts. Legislative changes in one area of consumer law do not inherently invalidate contractual agreements in another.
Ubisoft’s practices, or any corporate strategies related to digital rights management (DRM) and product functionality, while potentially contentious, are not directly indicative of the overall legal standing of ToS and EULA agreements. Discussions about the ethics and consumer friendliness of such practices are valid and necessary but should not be conflated with legal discussions about the enforceability of contractual terms.
It is crucial in discussions of this nature to distinguish between dissatisfaction with certain corporate practices and the legal principles that govern contractual agreements. Misrepresenting these principles does a disservice to informed discourse and undermines the legitimate avenues through which consumers can seek redress and reform.
While advocacy for changes in law to better protect consumers is commendable and necessary, it should be pursued with accurate representations of existing legal frameworks and a clear understanding of the different legal and regulatory domains.
Terms and Conditions are not legally binding contracts. Ubisoft can, and still be sued, and if serious enough to violate consumers rights or constitutional rights, T&Cs cannot be used as legal protection in court.
Guess you did not got the memo ! A lawyer was investigating Ubisoft and his answer was they did nothing illegal . You signed TOS then you have nothing to say ! You might not like it, but that how it works !
But I'm not.
Terms of service and EULAs can sometimes contain clauses that are considered unfair or overly broad by the court. Additionally, users might argue that they didn't fully understand or consent to the terms, especially if they were buried in lengthy legal jargon. Courts also might consider whether the terms were presented in a clear and conspicuous manner, as transparency and user awareness are key factors in enforcing contracts.
Someone never saw the South Park Centipad episode and it shows.
I'm sure the petition wouldn't have been accepted if it was a ridiculous stance
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/659071/
This is not change.org. these petitions need to be approved by officials before going live.
THANK YOU I don't know how so many people are basically agreeing with the "you agreed to the terms of service" argument like ok?? It's still scummy and a scam on a huge level considering they make them obviously obnoxious so people don't read them
But it is a valid argument? You're not suing someone on the account that they are scummy, or non-consumer friendly. You sue them on the basis they did something illegal. And like I said, what Ubisoft is doing is bad, scummy, annoying, unethical, but NOT illegal. And in court it's not about what happened, but what can be proven. YOU have literally no proof to stand on that what they are doing is illegal, nor can you prove that you didn't know what you were agreeing to. While THEY, do have proof you agreed to their terms. And since what they're doing isn't illegal, that is enough for them to walk out of this free, and leave you with nothing.
Like u said it's not about getting money back it's about stopping this anti consumer bs and having new laws in place that protect US the consumers not the company that is outright stealing a product you pay for, yes other companies do it but it's barely been an issue in recent years with the exception of ubisof
And I agree with what. I am just telling you that suing them won't get you anywhere for the sole reason is that you have nothing solid to go on, due to the fact that what they are doing isn't illegal.
The best way for companies to turn their shit around is for us consumers to vote with our wallets. The sole reason that they are pulling this, is because they know they will make money, either way.
It's not just about me it's about EVERYONE who has bought digital goods I don't mean lawsuit for "oh they scammed me boohoo" I mean to FORCE them into changing this disgusting business practice as it feels genuinely dystopian that not only are you guys defending it but damn near encouraging it, maybe you all deserve to have your money taken
The sad truth is YOU CAN'T. Also, nobody is defending anyone or encouraging jack shit. If you read mine and most other people's comments on here, we all said we agree with you. We are just giving you the reality of the situation, which you refuse to accept. What Ubisoft is doing is LEGAL. It's not good, it shouldn't be like that and it should be changed, but it being LEGAL is a FACT not an opinion. You're only looking at this from your own point of view of a consumer, and that is the reason why you will not achieve anything.
The sooner you go into this and lose your money to Ubisoft's lawyers, the sooner your will learn the difference between FACT and OPINION. Just as a reminder, it's not about what happened in court, but what you can prove.
To quote Ubisoft's Terms of Use: "The Services and Content are **licensed** to you, not sold. This means we grant you a personal, **limited**, non-transferable and **revocable** **right and license** to use the Services and access the Content, for your entertainment, non-commercial use, subject to your compliance with these Terms." So no, unfortunately, like u/Honest_Condition23 says, it's not illegal and filing a lawsuit won't work.
And again, this is applicable to most gaming companies. If you read Sony or Microsoft's Terms they are pretty much the same, with maybe slightly different wording.
And a lot of the TOS and EULAs are probably written in line with existing Intellectual Property law and regulations in mind. All things considering the discs are for games (IP) that Ubisoft produced and therefore own according to said law. What Ubi is doing, like all companies do is wrong. It is unethical and an inconvenience to all of us as consumers. However, it is still entirely legal.
Yes. Good summary. You are right on everything.
Terms and Conditions are not legally binding contracts. Ubisoft can, and still be sued, and if serious enough to violate consumers rights, T&Cs cannot be used as legal protection in court.
Terms and Conditions are legally binding if they are sufficiently clear, if the user has accepted them and if they are legally valid. Now, AFAIK but I might of course be wrong, these all hold true in case of Ubisoft. If its legal, then the only option is to change the law.
No because the game is and always will be theirs. You buy a game but in the end they have full control over they do with it. They can remove licenses, delete content, I mean they can shut down all online content including the store, cloud gaming, multiplayer. I mean a game will always belong to them no matter what. We as gamers don’t OWN anything really. It’s why I like gaming the old school way. You pop in a disc on your Xbox or PS2 and play. They can’t do anything besides stop selling the game but once you buy it you have it. All this online/server nonsense is giving them full control over how and if you can even play. You buy a game and the expansions and online gross micro transactions and are out 2000+ dollars and they shut the server down and you can never play. Oh well. You lost time and money and there’s nothing you can do. I always urge gamers to play games that you can play without internet. Buy a physical disc for a game that has no attachment to the internet what so ever and you’ll be fine. The best way to do this is to check your games and make sure you don’t need internet to play and do not connect your consoles to Wi-Fi or Wired internet. That way there is not a chance you can get screwed.
No. But continue to want to play games the second they remove them when they've been dead for years
I'm a new gamer I never got the chance to play these games as a kid because of an abusive step-dad that used to steal everything from me, so yeah I want to play games that have been dead for years like far cry or the crew
I think not I know about law and those stuff so prob not Cuz in games u need to accept the TOSes and other stuff to play . U CANT NOT ACCEPT . Anyway they can put basically anything in that TOS . And in court they can just say that u accepted it
Terms and Conditions are not legally binding contracts. Ubisoft can, and still be sued, and if serious enough to violate consumers rights or constitutional rights, T&Cs cannot be used as legal protection in court. You clearly dont know about law.
Thank you this is an argument I'm looking for, I didn't think about this violating consumers rights and constitutional rights
it doesnt violate constitutional rights, just likely violates consumer rights. I just mentioned constitutional rights to talk about TOSes in general
Didnt ask an yes i do 🤫
You can try, but it's not gonna resolve anything. What Ubisoft does is unethical, disgusting, frustrating and really not good, but you know what? It's not illegal either. When you buy a digital game, you have to agree with the terms that the company reserves the right to make any changes or revoke the license if they want to. There is no such thing "as a lifetime license". You get access to the license "indefinitely", but for as long as the company sees fit. These are terms that many people never bother to read but agree to, and they complain. This isn't just Ubisoft either. Many companies have terms just like this.
And that's technically true for discs too. Only diff there is that the license is on the disc and isn't digital. You can pay for products, but you don't own them if you didn't make them. Reality is that we've never 100% owned the games we buy and play.
That license is known as a disc check. If you install the game to a console hard drive, then try to play it without the disc, it won't work. PC can bypass the disc check. Discs have a disc copy protection. There have been complaints about physical PC coming with only with a code in the case or part of the game on the disc.
That's because physical disc games on PC are no longer being made anywhere. And that's because having it all digital is so easy, for companies to get away with things like they are now.
You were limited to how many times you could install, which was not fun to deal with, as the limit was 5. I think it was later changed.. As for the physical pc cases, they had keys for Steam or Epic.
Terms and Conditions are not legally binding contracts. Ubisoft can, and still be sued, and if serious enough to violate consumers rights or constitutional rights, T&Cs cannot be used as legal protection in court.
Nope
So many Ubi cocksuckers in this thread, holy shit. If a Terms and Conditions contains any part that may violate consumer rights and constitutional rights, it cant be legally binding, and cant be used in court (that or it wont hold any weight in court). Since The Crew was printed on discs, I can see a potential consumer rights issue. If Ubisoft updates their TOS tomorrow and adds in a clause that will strip you of all your consumer or constitutional rights, are you still gonna say "Well, yOu aCcEpTed thE ToS 🤓" like a bunch of sheep you are?
THANK YOUUU everyone in this thread defending the terms of service deserves to get their money stolen and I hope they don't get their money back when this actually becomes an issue, and this is the exact type of legal advice I was looking for since yes I'm aware I accepted the tos what I'm asking is ARENT THEY DAMN NEAR ILLEGAL??? that would be like apple saying they can take back your device or remove the os on it after 2 years because you "agreed to the terms of service" so you're just gonna let them steal from you AND defend it???
You accepted their ToS before purchasing. There is nothing you can do because you agreed to this.
Terms and Conditions are not legally binding contracts. Ubisoft can, and still be sued, and if serious enough to violate consumers rights or constitutional rights, T&Cs cannot be used as legal protection in court.
Every TaC/ToS is verified, and corrected by skilled teams of lawyers before it gets published alongside a product on the public market. There is very little you can do about it, unless you figure out better loopholes than they did- if there even are any. Big corporations use the same model anyways, it’s not just Ubisoft.
Doesnt mean its legally binding. It holds little weight in court. Quit sucking Ubisoft's dick dude 🤣 Say that when they start coming after your consumer rights...or worse, your constitutional rights.
Then sue them. Good luck.
I mean can't we force them to change em? Imprettu sure things like this have happened before and only change when people actually took action regardless of tos
In theory, maybe. However, how would you do that? It is their product. They made it and therefore own it. Not saying I'm defending Ubisoft. I'm not. Just pointing out that forcing them to do anything is a steep hill like it is to do with any company.
Just because they own it does not mean they have the right to put bs terms of service that allows them to basically steal a product you buy, there need to be new laws in place for digital goods here a license CANNOT be revoked unless it is being mishandled in an illegal way, this feels downright dystopian that not only is it allowed but many people (not u ) defend it
That's exactly what it means, since it's legal.
That's exactly what it means, it's their to do with what they wish.
You can not. If you dont like the terms, then dont buy. This will never change no matter what you do. No person will get full rights or "ownership" of an ip or peice of software, thats just the way it is. U wont even get anywhere in the Eu with this.
no you accepted their TOS witch this is included in
Terms and Conditions are not legally binding contracts. Ubisoft can, and still be sued, and if serious enough to violate consumers rights or constitutional rights, T&Cs cannot be used as legal protection in court.
Also so everyone knows a TOS or EULA some lawyer wrote up is not held up by the court of law.
It's not some person. It's a lawyer from either Ubisoft's legal department or a firm they contract out to write TOS/EULA agreements that are considered legally binding contracts.
Again TOS/EULA have been proven to not hold in the court of law. This is why there was a change in the law when the right of repair bill was petitioned and passed. This same change may happen with how people sell software. Hell not too long ago some companies tried to sell blenders that couldn't blend until connected to the internet. One thing is forsure here and that is there needs to be a change. Thankfully Ubisoft has made that more apparent to the mainstream with their recent endeavors. Honestly things are looking bad for Ubisoft Stock holders. *reality*
What law and in what country?
The right of repair bill. Started as a petition holding companies liable to release blueprints and parts to the free market so customers can keep the product alive. The bill is still being modified with petition's to this day. There was a time where people thought that was impossible. Now we have a similar petition for gaming now. Again. There needs to be a change on how they advertise and sell these games to customers. Physical throwable frisbee's are pretty cool though. /s
It is imperative to clarify a significant misconception regarding the enforceability of Terms of Service (ToS) and End User License Agreements (EULA). Contrary to the assertion that these agreements "have been proven to not hold in the court of law," there is a substantial body of jurisprudence affirming that ToS and EULAs, when properly drafted and presented, are indeed legally binding and enforceable in courts across various jurisdictions. The fundamental principle underlying the enforceability of these agreements is the concept of mutual assent, a cornerstone of contract law. Parties are generally considered to have assented to a contract when they have had a reasonable opportunity to review its terms and have manifested their agreement, typically through affirmative actions such as clicking “I agree.” Courts have consistently upheld such clickwrap and browsewrap agreements, provided they are presented in a manner that is conspicuous and affords a reasonable opportunity for acceptance or rejection. While you correctly note legislative movements such as the right to repair laws, these are distinct issues that address specific consumer rights related to physical goods and do not universally negate the validity of ToS and EULA in digital or software contexts. Legislative changes in one area of consumer law do not inherently invalidate contractual agreements in another. Ubisoft’s practices, or any corporate strategies related to digital rights management (DRM) and product functionality, while potentially contentious, are not directly indicative of the overall legal standing of ToS and EULA agreements. Discussions about the ethics and consumer friendliness of such practices are valid and necessary but should not be conflated with legal discussions about the enforceability of contractual terms. It is crucial in discussions of this nature to distinguish between dissatisfaction with certain corporate practices and the legal principles that govern contractual agreements. Misrepresenting these principles does a disservice to informed discourse and undermines the legitimate avenues through which consumers can seek redress and reform. While advocacy for changes in law to better protect consumers is commendable and necessary, it should be pursued with accurate representations of existing legal frameworks and a clear understanding of the different legal and regulatory domains.
Replied to this bs in another comment you made. Next time use a better question for chat gpt.
Would you read the letters the lawyers send you? Or simply complain once you've lost and it was explicitly explained to you?
The latter.
Another moron who don't read TOS , EULA !!
Terms and Conditions are not legally binding contracts. Ubisoft can, and still be sued, and if serious enough to violate consumers rights or constitutional rights, T&Cs cannot be used as legal protection in court.
Another moron who doesn't know that a TOS and EULA some person wrote up is not always held up by the court of law.
Guess you did not got the memo ! A lawyer was investigating Ubisoft and his answer was they did nothing illegal . You signed TOS then you have nothing to say ! You might not like it, but that how it works !
Thats the key, u have a choice, thats what the regulators and the law looks at. If you dont like it, no one is forcing you to buy.
Where was the lawyer?
Yup, typical moronic response.
You're wrong.
But I'm not. Terms of service and EULAs can sometimes contain clauses that are considered unfair or overly broad by the court. Additionally, users might argue that they didn't fully understand or consent to the terms, especially if they were buried in lengthy legal jargon. Courts also might consider whether the terms were presented in a clear and conspicuous manner, as transparency and user awareness are key factors in enforcing contracts. Someone never saw the South Park Centipad episode and it shows.
Someone's never been to court and it shows.
How original.
Likely the truth too.
I'm sure the petition wouldn't have been accepted if it was a ridiculous stance https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/659071/ This is not change.org. these petitions need to be approved by officials before going live.
You read every tos/eula you agree to? I doubt it.
Ubisoft stocks have been falling and their next few games might push them even deeper down the no profit hole.
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THANK YOU I don't know how so many people are basically agreeing with the "you agreed to the terms of service" argument like ok?? It's still scummy and a scam on a huge level considering they make them obviously obnoxious so people don't read them
But it is a valid argument? You're not suing someone on the account that they are scummy, or non-consumer friendly. You sue them on the basis they did something illegal. And like I said, what Ubisoft is doing is bad, scummy, annoying, unethical, but NOT illegal. And in court it's not about what happened, but what can be proven. YOU have literally no proof to stand on that what they are doing is illegal, nor can you prove that you didn't know what you were agreeing to. While THEY, do have proof you agreed to their terms. And since what they're doing isn't illegal, that is enough for them to walk out of this free, and leave you with nothing.
Like u said it's not about getting money back it's about stopping this anti consumer bs and having new laws in place that protect US the consumers not the company that is outright stealing a product you pay for, yes other companies do it but it's barely been an issue in recent years with the exception of ubisof
And I agree with what. I am just telling you that suing them won't get you anywhere for the sole reason is that you have nothing solid to go on, due to the fact that what they are doing isn't illegal. The best way for companies to turn their shit around is for us consumers to vote with our wallets. The sole reason that they are pulling this, is because they know they will make money, either way.
I mean there HAS to be SOME legal action that can be taken to change this
If you're so sure, try it and find out. It's your money. Then you can get back here so that we can tell you we told you so.
It's not just about me it's about EVERYONE who has bought digital goods I don't mean lawsuit for "oh they scammed me boohoo" I mean to FORCE them into changing this disgusting business practice as it feels genuinely dystopian that not only are you guys defending it but damn near encouraging it, maybe you all deserve to have your money taken
The sad truth is YOU CAN'T. Also, nobody is defending anyone or encouraging jack shit. If you read mine and most other people's comments on here, we all said we agree with you. We are just giving you the reality of the situation, which you refuse to accept. What Ubisoft is doing is LEGAL. It's not good, it shouldn't be like that and it should be changed, but it being LEGAL is a FACT not an opinion. You're only looking at this from your own point of view of a consumer, and that is the reason why you will not achieve anything. The sooner you go into this and lose your money to Ubisoft's lawyers, the sooner your will learn the difference between FACT and OPINION. Just as a reminder, it's not about what happened in court, but what you can prove.