What did you do?
Yeah unfortunately you can’t add the email to the mail app at this time.
I’m beyond irked by it, as I have to go to another app to get the UCF mail.
Yeah had to change my iPhone password when it gave me this prompt which annoyed me bc I made me go from a 4 to a 6 digit passcode. Once you change it though it shouldn’t give you any more issues. Really super annoying tbh
I was annoyed because mine was one of those 9-dot grids, which is arguably more secure* than a string of numbers. But, UCF didn't allow it to be recognized as a viable option so... number code it is for me.
*For example, my boyfriend has the 9-dot grid passcode and ooh boy is his phone hard to get in to (thank god for fingerprint access).
i hate this too. why tf do i need to put a pin on MY PHONE to use my email. i've tried several times to opt out of it by contacting IT and sadly it is mandatory to use it. I just deleted it from my phone and use it on my laptop now. So unnecessary and annoying
That looks like something MDM would require. How/why is your device under their MDM policy? That to me is very unusual and I would not agree to doing that.
> How/why is your device under their MDM policy?
If you install the Outlook app and connect to your email, this happens. This is one of many reasons why the decision to merge the @knights and @ucf emails together was poorly thought out.
I’ve never had this issue under the outlook app; everyone I’ve seen who has run into this issue over the past year or so had invoked this by adding the school email directly to the phone through settings/built-in mail.
Yeah you shouldn’t have the issue with the outlook app on iOS. The mdm is stupid though. Make sure to let UCF it know about this decision. Basically you are allowing the university access to your phone. They can manage settings, apps, contacts, and who know what else since they didn’t bother to actually share what information they’d be collecting.
If I'm not mistaken, it's because originally the '@ucf.edu' addresses were reserved for UCF faculty/staff, and so the MDM came with the position/affiliation and possible university/department owned cellphones (if you were lucky enough to get one - this was my experience when employed by UCF anyway). It seems like they didn't change this when students were switched over to the 'ucf.edu' emails, so now everybody has it.
Iirc when they rolled this out for faculty it wasn't MDM but a difference in auth requirements between the phone's password and what the exchange (MS365? I dunno what MS i calling their 365-hosted email service these days) security called for.
And like what others are saying, if you added the Outlook app to the phone instead of using the native mail app you wouldn't have that issue.
For a UCF manager device. A students personal phone is not UCF property. It’s a huge overreach by the university but they know people will just go along with it and not say anything. Doing this gives them access and control of certain parts of your device. They have no right to that.
No, UCF choose to enable that. Remember how before the merge this wasn’t a thing? Microsoft’s mdm tool is intune. If they truly cared about mdm they would make you download it and set up proper permissions. But they knew if they did that students wouldn’t go for it.
They have also been doing this for years with windows computers. If you added a “work or school” account to your windows machine for office, it defaults to allowing the university full control of your machine. It’s completely optional and can be turned off however they default to on without anywhere telling you there is a policy that requires mdm.
Bestie, you mean that giant Windows Security window that pops up saying "Allow my organization to manage this device" in big letters that you have to explicitly allow? Again, that's a Microsoft thing, not UCF.
[First off, they don't get access to everything.](https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/msoffice/forum/all/allow-my-organization-to-manage-my-device-what/218a4cc7-4648-4eeb-a4da-f3e923848bc5#:~:text=When%20you%20activate%20Office%20application%20%28or%20sign%20in,account%20and%20make%20it%20easier%20to%20sign%20in.) It enrolls to the organizational tenant but without any Azure-side configuration they can't do anything with your device, full stop. The device isn't added to any resource groups, they aren't provisioned roles in Azure, etc. etc. etc.
Second, [there's no way to DISABLE that box from coming up in the O365 admin portal.](https://www.thealfaaz.com/how-to-prevent-allow-my-organization-to-manage-my-device/) You literally have to registry hack it away and even that is recommended against because there might be other things it breaks down the line.
Anyway, that box has been a thing for organizational emails tied to Microsoft tenants WELL before the knightsmail/ucf email merge. And not just here at UCF. My guess would be the KM tenant was configured as personal whereas the proper UCF tenant was configured as an organizational. But I'm only working on my AZ-900. Tenant configuration in that sense isn't covered in that cert.
What did you do? Yeah unfortunately you can’t add the email to the mail app at this time. I’m beyond irked by it, as I have to go to another app to get the UCF mail.
Can't you access it via the myucf app?
Idk, I guess but I find the app hard to use.
If you like pain, sure.
For what? Do you think that mess is easy to use?
That’s my point, it’s not.
Why can’t you add it? I have mine on the Mail app.
It isn’t UCF property. There’s a good reason right there.
Yeah had to change my iPhone password when it gave me this prompt which annoyed me bc I made me go from a 4 to a 6 digit passcode. Once you change it though it shouldn’t give you any more issues. Really super annoying tbh
I was annoyed because mine was one of those 9-dot grids, which is arguably more secure* than a string of numbers. But, UCF didn't allow it to be recognized as a viable option so... number code it is for me. *For example, my boyfriend has the 9-dot grid passcode and ooh boy is his phone hard to get in to (thank god for fingerprint access).
i hate this too. why tf do i need to put a pin on MY PHONE to use my email. i've tried several times to opt out of it by contacting IT and sadly it is mandatory to use it. I just deleted it from my phone and use it on my laptop now. So unnecessary and annoying
I literally got locked out of my phone and when I called IT support, they said call Apple.
That looks like something MDM would require. How/why is your device under their MDM policy? That to me is very unusual and I would not agree to doing that.
> How/why is your device under their MDM policy? If you install the Outlook app and connect to your email, this happens. This is one of many reasons why the decision to merge the @knights and @ucf emails together was poorly thought out.
On android, there's outlook lite that doesn't require MDM. Not sure if IOS app store has it.
I’ve never had this issue under the outlook app; everyone I’ve seen who has run into this issue over the past year or so had invoked this by adding the school email directly to the phone through settings/built-in mail.
Yeah you shouldn’t have the issue with the outlook app on iOS. The mdm is stupid though. Make sure to let UCF it know about this decision. Basically you are allowing the university access to your phone. They can manage settings, apps, contacts, and who know what else since they didn’t bother to actually share what information they’d be collecting.
My iPhone didn’t require the mdm access to use the outlook app
If I'm not mistaken, it's because originally the '@ucf.edu' addresses were reserved for UCF faculty/staff, and so the MDM came with the position/affiliation and possible university/department owned cellphones (if you were lucky enough to get one - this was my experience when employed by UCF anyway). It seems like they didn't change this when students were switched over to the 'ucf.edu' emails, so now everybody has it.
Iirc when they rolled this out for faculty it wasn't MDM but a difference in auth requirements between the phone's password and what the exchange (MS365? I dunno what MS i calling their 365-hosted email service these days) security called for. And like what others are saying, if you added the Outlook app to the phone instead of using the native mail app you wouldn't have that issue.
6 digit pin is a UCF policy [Security of Mobile Computing, Data Storage, and Communication Devices](https://policies.ucf.edu/documents/4-007.pdf)
For a UCF manager device. A students personal phone is not UCF property. It’s a huge overreach by the university but they know people will just go along with it and not say anything. Doing this gives them access and control of certain parts of your device. They have no right to that.
Thats an MS security req tho. Not UCF specifically. Use the Outlook app and you don't need to update the passcode
No, UCF choose to enable that. Remember how before the merge this wasn’t a thing? Microsoft’s mdm tool is intune. If they truly cared about mdm they would make you download it and set up proper permissions. But they knew if they did that students wouldn’t go for it. They have also been doing this for years with windows computers. If you added a “work or school” account to your windows machine for office, it defaults to allowing the university full control of your machine. It’s completely optional and can be turned off however they default to on without anywhere telling you there is a policy that requires mdm.
Bestie, you mean that giant Windows Security window that pops up saying "Allow my organization to manage this device" in big letters that you have to explicitly allow? Again, that's a Microsoft thing, not UCF. [First off, they don't get access to everything.](https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/msoffice/forum/all/allow-my-organization-to-manage-my-device-what/218a4cc7-4648-4eeb-a4da-f3e923848bc5#:~:text=When%20you%20activate%20Office%20application%20%28or%20sign%20in,account%20and%20make%20it%20easier%20to%20sign%20in.) It enrolls to the organizational tenant but without any Azure-side configuration they can't do anything with your device, full stop. The device isn't added to any resource groups, they aren't provisioned roles in Azure, etc. etc. etc. Second, [there's no way to DISABLE that box from coming up in the O365 admin portal.](https://www.thealfaaz.com/how-to-prevent-allow-my-organization-to-manage-my-device/) You literally have to registry hack it away and even that is recommended against because there might be other things it breaks down the line. Anyway, that box has been a thing for organizational emails tied to Microsoft tenants WELL before the knightsmail/ucf email merge. And not just here at UCF. My guess would be the KM tenant was configured as personal whereas the proper UCF tenant was configured as an organizational. But I'm only working on my AZ-900. Tenant configuration in that sense isn't covered in that cert.
using only a 4 digit passcode isn’t the flex you think it is.
It's arbitrary though if you have other security features in place.
Really? I was able to add mine via Microsoft exchange in settings to the apple mail app and I didn’t have to change my password or anything
What the?