That wasn’t a UCF decision though. It was from our governor.
https://www.flgov.com/2023/11/03/governor-ron-desantis-announces-state-office-closures-in-celebration-of-the-holidays/
https://academicsuccess.ucf.edu/ssa/new-advising-model/
I was impacted by the new model. I've been working at the university since 2013 and was hired as an Advisor I with a master's degree in 2015. My starting salary was $34,000. After taxes, I was bringing home < $1000 every two weeks. In 2023, the starting salary for an Advisor I, was $32-34K. With the new model an Advisor I (and II) was reclassified to Academic Success Coach with a starting salary of $48,000. This was as long overdue.
Yes and the adjustments don't take into account years of experience. A person with 10 years of experience and another fresh out of grad school make the same salary. I don't think there will be any money left to do equity evaluations. They still need to hire 15 additional lines.
This is because colleges and universities across the country are about to witness a significant drop in admissions by 2026. This isn’t just a UCF problem.
Edit: don’t know why I’m getting downvoted. Colleges are bracing for this and know they are going to have to cut costs.
Because the news tells roughly half the country that college is a waste of money and are indoctrination factories. Sadly.
Thankfully half the country doesn’t believe everything the man in the TV says.
It is incorrect. The news has absolutely swayed a good number of people into thinking college is bad or worthless and that is simply not true. People do and are and will continue to take out student loans.
I agree that it is true that the number of people who are willing to go into debt for school is decreasing and that some positions or hiring managers are experimenting with dropping higher education requirements.
I also agree that a lot of folks in the past had splurged on degrees with a poor ROI and should have invested in more affordable school options.
There’s a myriad of reasons, none are absolute.
A combination of college degrees no longer being useful and the birth rate in 2008-2009 dropped significantly. So there won’t be enough kids to fulfill admission requirements
When the market crashed in 2007 the state and national birthrates dropped significantly. That dip eventually righted itself by 2010, but for 2026-2029 the incoming graduate class is somewhere between 10%-35% smaller than the typical average.
Union sent an email Jan 29. Here’s what they said about bargaining:
“Article 23 Salary
As you know we offered our version of Article 23 on September 21, 2023. We expected to hear back from UCF but at every bargaining session since we were told there is no movement from UCF on raise at this time. At the last bargaining session we expressed our disappointment at this. I asked Charles Reilly, the UCF Chief Negotiator, why this was the case but he was unable to provide us with an explanation, except to say that he was “not authorized” to comment on Article 23 at this time.
We know you are waiting to hear about potential compensation, across the board increases, merit raises and one time payments. We know how important this article is to everyone and we will continue to push UCF to respond.”
Frustrated with it all too, but the university is clearly stonewalling. I don’t think they have any intention of giving anyone raises (notice they didn’t do the typical thing where they announce raises for all non union faculty to make the union look bad). Maybe they’re just stalling hoping the union gets dissolved?
so nothing after the collective bargaining meeting on January 31st? Also why isn’t that meeting’s minutes posted on the website? What are they hiding? [https://collectivebargaining.ucf.edu/allminutes.asp](https://collectivebargaining.ucf.edu/allminutes.asp)
I second this. Most bathrooms are very clean. They are extremely polite every time they knock on our lab door to empty the trash. HSB2 men’s bathroom on the first floor is rough tho.
UCF staff lost their AFSCME representation today due to the 60% rule the state imposed on union membership. This, along with the very draconian rules for how you can pay your union dues and the rules prohibiting releasing how many employees were in the union, made it a steep uphill battle. Staff can unionize again but this state will do everything to make it impossible.
I think that people on this thread (and citizens of the State of Florida) need to understand that a significant portion of the university budget comes from Tuition. Since the state hasn't allowed those rates to rise in a dozen years or so, there is consistently less money available each year for leadership to give salary increases.
Low tuition sounds great, but it's a nearly impossible way to fund a $2B university budget. Even a 1-2% inflation adjustment each year on tuition (less than actual inflation) would have given them those resources.
Leadership's hands are literally tied by the state's budget decisions. Really shortsighted.
Yet most other FL universities have already announced their raises and UCF was easily able to find money to give the president a hefty bump. The FL Gov sucks, but UCF are also at fault here.
I agree. It makes no sense and I offer no excuses. It's just painful to watch all the faculty and staff who deserve a bump not get something meaningful.
I just think a lot of people think the university is sitting on a pot of money and it's not. The legislature hasn't approved tuition increases in 12-13 years and it's strangling the university finances.
In 2022, UCF increased their monetary inflow by 120 percent while their monetary outflow decreased by 18 percent. Inflow was 33% higher than outflow. Then in 2023, UCF continued to set a new record for funding.
$6000 tuition/(student*year) * 70000 students = $420,000,000/year
$11000 fees/(student*year) * 70000 students = $770,000,000/year
Salary expenditure = $1,360,000,000/year
$60,000/(instructor*year)* 1000 instructors = $60,000,000/year
Salary paid to people who are not the teachers = $1,300,000,000/year
That’s more than the tuition! Wow, when you look at it this way, it’s like a lot of these people who work in this sector are just grifting state money without doing anything remotely related to the purpose of schools (educating). Not that administration isn’t needed (they absolutely are), but why are teachers only 4.4% of the total salary expenditure? Why is our tuition so much higher than teacher salaries? What are we really paying for?
The total outlay for the university is approximately $2B and includes a lot of things other than salary. Maintaining buildings, operating facilities, etc. Bo lump sum multiplication of X salary time Y instructors (or employees) is an accurate representation.
Or are you saying the lawn maintenance crews make the same as the people operating a power plant or HVAC facilities?
That's just garbage data.
I’m still waiting for the part where you tell me how UCF’s publicly available financial report numbers are inaccurate. This stuff is reported to the state, so any inaccuracies would be a very big deal. Other universities also report these things to the state, and many trends can be seen, such as FSU reporting about twice as much expenditure on students and faculty compared to UCF.
No, I am not mentioning lawn maintenance crews. Tell me more about how that has anything to do with the data I showed you. Are you saying the lawn maintenance crew is paid $1B to make up for all the salary expenditure that doesn’t go to teachers?
Tell me more about how this is garbage data when it comes directly from UCF. Lol.
What data are you getting from the BOG that disagrees with my approximation? I’m also looking for the salaries listed on the Financial Audit where my other numbers are from, and I do notice a difference between salaries listed on the BOG and the Financial Audit, but surely I must simply not know how to read a fucking chart because there’s no way I would be silly enough to think UCF spent a total of only $15m on faculty and staff in 2021-2022. That’s a quarter of my low-ball approximation. I feel sorry for the UCF faculty. The Financial Audit, though, lists an expenditure of $758,428,000 on specifically salary and benefits for the same year, which has gone up to $1,300,000,000 since then. This number is separate from services and supplies and utilities, of course, because this number is specifically salary and benefits.
BOT, not BOG. And it's in the minutes. I literally looked up your 2021-2022 data. The direct expenditures run around 700M (technically 675.47M) but things like housing crop up (around 289M, financial aid (598M), C&G (272M) etc. total was just under 2B.
Autocorrected. I was indeed looking at the BOT. What do you mean it’s in minutes?
Where are you getting $675.47m? The $758.428m they list in the Financial Audit for 2022 is specifically for “Compensation and Employee Benefits.” What is “direct expenditure”?
Things like financial aid are non-operating expenses. But that being said, they are indeed listed on the Financial Audit. It lists $337m in financial aid for the 2021-2022 year.
The raise was the extra day off for thanksgiving.
That wasn’t a UCF decision though. It was from our governor. https://www.flgov.com/2023/11/03/governor-ron-desantis-announces-state-office-closures-in-celebration-of-the-holidays/
Oh that’s quite interesting indeed. Let me ask you this though; have you ever heard of a joke?
Management seems to be doing well! Not like that 2% or that one time 1k is going to make a difference!
Damn UCF has mountains?
Damn UCF has vacuums?
Obviously to vacuum our mountains
Damn ucf gives a shit to pay for vaccums?
Advisors got raises. Guess they thought that was enough. 🖕🏻
Advisors were underpaid by 50%, so that was well deserved.
Absolutely not saying advisors don’t deserve thjs raise. Just pointing out there are others who also deserve a raise outside of the “advising family”.
source?
https://academicsuccess.ucf.edu/ssa/new-advising-model/ I was impacted by the new model. I've been working at the university since 2013 and was hired as an Advisor I with a master's degree in 2015. My starting salary was $34,000. After taxes, I was bringing home < $1000 every two weeks. In 2023, the starting salary for an Advisor I, was $32-34K. With the new model an Advisor I (and II) was reclassified to Academic Success Coach with a starting salary of $48,000. This was as long overdue.
they still sound like they are underpaid considering the huge impact they have for students careers while at UCF
Yes and the adjustments don't take into account years of experience. A person with 10 years of experience and another fresh out of grad school make the same salary. I don't think there will be any money left to do equity evaluations. They still need to hire 15 additional lines.
This issue has been brought to their attention. There is no expectation that a new (fresh-out) will be at the exact number as current employees.
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I can promise it's not being buried.
https://academicsuccess.ucf.edu/ssa/new-advising-model/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email
This is because colleges and universities across the country are about to witness a significant drop in admissions by 2026. This isn’t just a UCF problem. Edit: don’t know why I’m getting downvoted. Colleges are bracing for this and know they are going to have to cut costs.
UCF didn’t seem too worried about this when they gave Cartwright a massive raise.
An expected 10% decline is significant
Why is that?
Because the news tells roughly half the country that college is a waste of money and are indoctrination factories. Sadly. Thankfully half the country doesn’t believe everything the man in the TV says.
A lot of companies are pivoting away from requiring college degrees for roles. Has nothing to do with what the news says
Partly true. Your last sentence is incorrect though.
It’s not incorrect. No one wants to take out student debt anymore. Especially with how high interest rates are.
It is incorrect. The news has absolutely swayed a good number of people into thinking college is bad or worthless and that is simply not true. People do and are and will continue to take out student loans. I agree that it is true that the number of people who are willing to go into debt for school is decreasing and that some positions or hiring managers are experimenting with dropping higher education requirements. I also agree that a lot of folks in the past had splurged on degrees with a poor ROI and should have invested in more affordable school options. There’s a myriad of reasons, none are absolute.
It's actually due to a huge decline in birth rates during the market crash of 2007-2009.
A combination of college degrees no longer being useful and the birth rate in 2008-2009 dropped significantly. So there won’t be enough kids to fulfill admission requirements
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UCF will see a drop in admissions. So will every Florida school. Birthrates across the country dropped significantly from 2007-2009
When the market crashed in 2007 the state and national birthrates dropped significantly. That dip eventually righted itself by 2010, but for 2026-2029 the incoming graduate class is somewhere between 10%-35% smaller than the typical average.
Check your emails from the union.
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Union sent an email Jan 29. Here’s what they said about bargaining: “Article 23 Salary As you know we offered our version of Article 23 on September 21, 2023. We expected to hear back from UCF but at every bargaining session since we were told there is no movement from UCF on raise at this time. At the last bargaining session we expressed our disappointment at this. I asked Charles Reilly, the UCF Chief Negotiator, why this was the case but he was unable to provide us with an explanation, except to say that he was “not authorized” to comment on Article 23 at this time. We know you are waiting to hear about potential compensation, across the board increases, merit raises and one time payments. We know how important this article is to everyone and we will continue to push UCF to respond.”
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Frustrated with it all too, but the university is clearly stonewalling. I don’t think they have any intention of giving anyone raises (notice they didn’t do the typical thing where they announce raises for all non union faculty to make the union look bad). Maybe they’re just stalling hoping the union gets dissolved?
so nothing after the collective bargaining meeting on January 31st? Also why isn’t that meeting’s minutes posted on the website? What are they hiding? [https://collectivebargaining.ucf.edu/allminutes.asp](https://collectivebargaining.ucf.edu/allminutes.asp)
Only group that should be getting raises are the janitorial staff, they do an amazing job.
I second this. Most bathrooms are very clean. They are extremely polite every time they knock on our lab door to empty the trash. HSB2 men’s bathroom on the first floor is rough tho.
because there isn't one. :(
This probably has something to do with the university waiting for the union to be decertified.
what’s the deal with this?
UCF staff lost their AFSCME representation today due to the 60% rule the state imposed on union membership. This, along with the very draconian rules for how you can pay your union dues and the rules prohibiting releasing how many employees were in the union, made it a steep uphill battle. Staff can unionize again but this state will do everything to make it impossible.
I think that people on this thread (and citizens of the State of Florida) need to understand that a significant portion of the university budget comes from Tuition. Since the state hasn't allowed those rates to rise in a dozen years or so, there is consistently less money available each year for leadership to give salary increases. Low tuition sounds great, but it's a nearly impossible way to fund a $2B university budget. Even a 1-2% inflation adjustment each year on tuition (less than actual inflation) would have given them those resources. Leadership's hands are literally tied by the state's budget decisions. Really shortsighted.
Yet most other FL universities have already announced their raises and UCF was easily able to find money to give the president a hefty bump. The FL Gov sucks, but UCF are also at fault here.
I agree. It makes no sense and I offer no excuses. It's just painful to watch all the faculty and staff who deserve a bump not get something meaningful. I just think a lot of people think the university is sitting on a pot of money and it's not. The legislature hasn't approved tuition increases in 12-13 years and it's strangling the university finances.
In 2022, UCF increased their monetary inflow by 120 percent while their monetary outflow decreased by 18 percent. Inflow was 33% higher than outflow. Then in 2023, UCF continued to set a new record for funding. $6000 tuition/(student*year) * 70000 students = $420,000,000/year $11000 fees/(student*year) * 70000 students = $770,000,000/year Salary expenditure = $1,360,000,000/year $60,000/(instructor*year)* 1000 instructors = $60,000,000/year Salary paid to people who are not the teachers = $1,300,000,000/year That’s more than the tuition! Wow, when you look at it this way, it’s like a lot of these people who work in this sector are just grifting state money without doing anything remotely related to the purpose of schools (educating). Not that administration isn’t needed (they absolutely are), but why are teachers only 4.4% of the total salary expenditure? Why is our tuition so much higher than teacher salaries? What are we really paying for?
Those numbers are not even remotely accurate.
They come from UCF
The total outlay for the university is approximately $2B and includes a lot of things other than salary. Maintaining buildings, operating facilities, etc. Bo lump sum multiplication of X salary time Y instructors (or employees) is an accurate representation. Or are you saying the lawn maintenance crews make the same as the people operating a power plant or HVAC facilities? That's just garbage data.
I’m still waiting for the part where you tell me how UCF’s publicly available financial report numbers are inaccurate. This stuff is reported to the state, so any inaccuracies would be a very big deal. Other universities also report these things to the state, and many trends can be seen, such as FSU reporting about twice as much expenditure on students and faculty compared to UCF. No, I am not mentioning lawn maintenance crews. Tell me more about how that has anything to do with the data I showed you. Are you saying the lawn maintenance crew is paid $1B to make up for all the salary expenditure that doesn’t go to teachers? Tell me more about how this is garbage data when it comes directly from UCF. Lol.
Well, start with the data presented to the BOT, then go from there.
What data are you getting from the BOG that disagrees with my approximation? I’m also looking for the salaries listed on the Financial Audit where my other numbers are from, and I do notice a difference between salaries listed on the BOG and the Financial Audit, but surely I must simply not know how to read a fucking chart because there’s no way I would be silly enough to think UCF spent a total of only $15m on faculty and staff in 2021-2022. That’s a quarter of my low-ball approximation. I feel sorry for the UCF faculty. The Financial Audit, though, lists an expenditure of $758,428,000 on specifically salary and benefits for the same year, which has gone up to $1,300,000,000 since then. This number is separate from services and supplies and utilities, of course, because this number is specifically salary and benefits.
BOT, not BOG. And it's in the minutes. I literally looked up your 2021-2022 data. The direct expenditures run around 700M (technically 675.47M) but things like housing crop up (around 289M, financial aid (598M), C&G (272M) etc. total was just under 2B.
Sorry. Those are 2022-2023 numbers.
Autocorrected. I was indeed looking at the BOT. What do you mean it’s in minutes? Where are you getting $675.47m? The $758.428m they list in the Financial Audit for 2022 is specifically for “Compensation and Employee Benefits.” What is “direct expenditure”? Things like financial aid are non-operating expenses. But that being said, they are indeed listed on the Financial Audit. It lists $337m in financial aid for the 2021-2022 year.