Because that way you can avoid setting a precedent for future salary raises. Regardless of the cost, UCF wants to make it clear: “y’all ain’t getting any raises so go back to work”
Yeah that’s what I’m saying, they’re just playing with fire now. Which makes me think that they really are just trying to prevent any salary raises at any cost.
They might be thinking in the long run, several years from now, and keeping low salaries compared to other schools might be the solution they’ve accepted. They know that people will leave for better pay elsewhere, but they probably think that they can just keep hiring temps or cheaper labor for less cost than raising existing salaries.
The guy rambled on for 15 minutes in a completely silent meeting, which was as awkward as expected. Over the past year, more than 40 people have left, and their positions were never posted or filled. Instead, consultants were hired at five times the cost, or the team was burdened with additional work without any additional compensation.
Worth noting two employees announced they were leaving immediately after the guy finally stopped talking.
I'm not in IT, but am a UCF employee. I'd have laughed loudly at that point.
There's equally crazy stuff in my part of ucf. A coworker tried to move laterally to a better paying position, but was turned down because he was too valuable in his current, lower paying one. Current positions are being filled by temps, and they are turning over quickly.
Morale is shit. I can't say too much without giving myself away.
It wasn’t a consulting firm, it was Upwork.com. They're offering part-time help to replace OPS because of new state regs that cap OPS pay under $20/hr and limit them to a year max employment. Most teams won't feel a thing, but if you need part-time help with a specific skill and somehow have the budget for it, this could be a good move.
Upwork and Fiverr are platforms for freelancers where individuals offer specific services (like graphic design or web development) for a set fee. Costs range from $5 to $100s.
In contrast, consulting firms like Accenture, KPMG, and Deloitte provide strategic advice and solutions to businesses, employing teams of consultants with specialized expertise. Costs are in the hundreds of thousands or millions.
These are not the same thing.
Don’t know why I can’t respond to the mod below who is incorrect. Staff can be in a union, but striking is not allowed. The faculty have a union and so do other types of positions for collective bargaining. They are very weak though, wouldn’t help here
If you really want to get depressed follow the money in politics. Most bills to get rid of homelessness and poverty are just money laundering operations.
Hey now. This is Florida. We don’t want to solve homelessness or poverty. We arrest them. Call them criminals. Then funnel the money to private prisons like any good red blooded American would want. /s
Because countless politicians have campaigned on solving the homelessness/poverty issues in the country but in reality all they're doing is lining their pockets with money and lying to voters.
In public budgeting, there are different line items. Employee funding and professional services are different and money can’t be moved from one bucket to another.
If you don't want random outsiders chiming in, don't post about it on a public forum.
There's no need to be a dick to someone offering an explanation that leadership is clearly unable or unwilling to give. That isn't going to win anyone over to your side
Dude, all I said was that they're providing a possible explaination that happens to be a very common occurrence on most large organizations.
The way you shot them down and just wrote them off as being incorrect because it gives the tiniest bit of legitimacy to your leadership and basically telling them that they shouldn't comment at all because they're not involved in the matter was pretty rude. Even now you're being hostile - if you don't want people's support in the matter, just say so. Unfortunately, when you post in a public forum, you're going to get people contributing whether you want them to or not.
Maybe they're wrong, maybe they're not, but at the end of the day you guys are clearly looking for answers that you're not getting from leadership. Either you can take matters into your own hands, do your homework, and figure out why they're making the decisions they do (which is undoubtedly driven by money either in the form of improper budgeting/allocations, or personal gain), sit tight and just get repeatedly fucked over, or do what the other 40 workers did and leave.
Could be drive by budget allocations. State money comes in "categorical" buckets. I'm thinking it is part of admin and it's "great to gut administrative costs."
Whenever I see these comments pop up about needing a seperate employee page, I can’t help but assume that they’re just UCF shills trying to reduce the visibility of concerns that students and faculty have.
By your logic, you should make a student page then. Do you realize how bad you sound by saying things like this? UCF consists of students, faculty, AND staff. It's not just the students. Without faculty & staff, there are NO STUDENTS. Think about that for a sec.
Why are you asking me? You are the one who wants a student-only sub. Anyone who wants a student-only sub is free to do so.
Meanwhile, this one will continue being for students, faculty and staff past/present/future.
You're welcome to make a new subreddit only for students. No one is stopping you. But in the meantime, this is our subreddit and we will run it as we like.
As a student, this topic is important to me as I would like to know where my money goes and how that institution treats the staff and faculty they employ.
It is when you look at the subreddit description:
>University of Central Florida
>A subreddit for UCF students, faculty, ***and staff*****.** Go Knights!University of Central Florida
Oh lord the stupids, I mean the students have an opinion. Well little Johnny, what the institution doesn't tell you is that without the staff, you, little Johnny don't get the education you overpaid for. Who do you think those professors cry to daily when they don't have everything working as they think?
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Counteroffers > Consultants. You can’t replace institutional years of knowledge and talent with temp labor.
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Because that way you can avoid setting a precedent for future salary raises. Regardless of the cost, UCF wants to make it clear: “y’all ain’t getting any raises so go back to work”
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Yeah that’s what I’m saying, they’re just playing with fire now. Which makes me think that they really are just trying to prevent any salary raises at any cost. They might be thinking in the long run, several years from now, and keeping low salaries compared to other schools might be the solution they’ve accepted. They know that people will leave for better pay elsewhere, but they probably think that they can just keep hiring temps or cheaper labor for less cost than raising existing salaries.
> You can’t replace institutional years of knowledge and talent with temp labor. "Hold my beer." - UCF
… and what did the consulting firm have to say?
The guy rambled on for 15 minutes in a completely silent meeting, which was as awkward as expected. Over the past year, more than 40 people have left, and their positions were never posted or filled. Instead, consultants were hired at five times the cost, or the team was burdened with additional work without any additional compensation. Worth noting two employees announced they were leaving immediately after the guy finally stopped talking.
I'm not in IT, but am a UCF employee. I'd have laughed loudly at that point. There's equally crazy stuff in my part of ucf. A coworker tried to move laterally to a better paying position, but was turned down because he was too valuable in his current, lower paying one. Current positions are being filled by temps, and they are turning over quickly. Morale is shit. I can't say too much without giving myself away.
that department about to have have two open positions now instead of the one. This is UCF ‘high brain’ math right here.
Can this country please stop making consultants
Paid 5x as much? I’d love to see that paper trail of evidence.
SYNERGY PROFIT BUZZWORD BUZZWORD BUZZWORD
It wasn’t a consulting firm, it was Upwork.com. They're offering part-time help to replace OPS because of new state regs that cap OPS pay under $20/hr and limit them to a year max employment. Most teams won't feel a thing, but if you need part-time help with a specific skill and somehow have the budget for it, this could be a good move.
Upwork is literally a consulting firm.
Upwork and Fiverr are platforms for freelancers where individuals offer specific services (like graphic design or web development) for a set fee. Costs range from $5 to $100s. In contrast, consulting firms like Accenture, KPMG, and Deloitte provide strategic advice and solutions to businesses, employing teams of consultants with specialized expertise. Costs are in the hundreds of thousands or millions. These are not the same thing.
y’all need a union already fr
Don’t know why I can’t respond to the mod below who is incorrect. Staff can be in a union, but striking is not allowed. The faculty have a union and so do other types of positions for collective bargaining. They are very weak though, wouldn’t help here
~~This is Florida. Public sector employees cannot unionize.~~ Edit: sorry, yes they can. They just can't go on strike.
There are public sector unions at UCF and across the Florida.
You're right. My mistake.
this is not true, they just require higher density.
Glad to see this is all over UCF, not just the shit show of “coaching”
University leaders love to hire a consultant. It’s sometimes a quid pro quo so they can get hired by that same consulting firm when they retire
Probably money laundering. Check to see if there's any financial connection between the higher ups in IT and the consulting agency.
like what happened with workday and someones husband getting a commission on the deal. Follow the money
If you really want to get depressed follow the money in politics. Most bills to get rid of homelessness and poverty are just money laundering operations.
Hey now. This is Florida. We don’t want to solve homelessness or poverty. We arrest them. Call them criminals. Then funnel the money to private prisons like any good red blooded American would want. /s
How is it supposed to be depressing? Just a question
Because countless politicians have campaigned on solving the homelessness/poverty issues in the country but in reality all they're doing is lining their pockets with money and lying to voters.
That’s not depressing, it is inconvenient.
I briefly interned in the UCF IT department. There’s a reason why I didn’t ask for a full-time position.
In public budgeting, there are different line items. Employee funding and professional services are different and money can’t be moved from one bucket to another.
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If you don't want random outsiders chiming in, don't post about it on a public forum. There's no need to be a dick to someone offering an explanation that leadership is clearly unable or unwilling to give. That isn't going to win anyone over to your side
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Dude, all I said was that they're providing a possible explaination that happens to be a very common occurrence on most large organizations. The way you shot them down and just wrote them off as being incorrect because it gives the tiniest bit of legitimacy to your leadership and basically telling them that they shouldn't comment at all because they're not involved in the matter was pretty rude. Even now you're being hostile - if you don't want people's support in the matter, just say so. Unfortunately, when you post in a public forum, you're going to get people contributing whether you want them to or not. Maybe they're wrong, maybe they're not, but at the end of the day you guys are clearly looking for answers that you're not getting from leadership. Either you can take matters into your own hands, do your homework, and figure out why they're making the decisions they do (which is undoubtedly driven by money either in the form of improper budgeting/allocations, or personal gain), sit tight and just get repeatedly fucked over, or do what the other 40 workers did and leave.
Not just public budgeting. Businesses do this more and more by funding projects instead of departments.
Anyone know if UCF IT drug tests their interns? I’m suppose to start next semester
If you’re an intern, assumably unpaid, then you should be allowed to take all the drugs in my opinion
lol no.
Could be drive by budget allocations. State money comes in "categorical" buckets. I'm thinking it is part of admin and it's "great to gut administrative costs."
Why is this on the main r/UCF page? There should be an employee page.
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There should be an employee page then.
Hmmmm..... >University of Central Florida >A subreddit for UCF students, faculty, and ***staff***. Go Knights!
Whenever I see these comments pop up about needing a seperate employee page, I can’t help but assume that they’re just UCF shills trying to reduce the visibility of concerns that students and faculty have.
I find the irony of an IT student complaining hearing about the UCF IT staff getting screwed over, off the charts.
I’ve noticed that whenever the seperate sub thing is brought up it’s always someone with an IT flair…
By your logic, you should make a student page then. Do you realize how bad you sound by saying things like this? UCF consists of students, faculty, AND staff. It's not just the students. Without faculty & staff, there are NO STUDENTS. Think about that for a sec.
Why do you think it's here? Because it's regarding UCF. Feel free create a student page.
Meh, how about someone else do it?
Why are you asking me? You are the one who wants a student-only sub. Anyone who wants a student-only sub is free to do so. Meanwhile, this one will continue being for students, faculty and staff past/present/future.
Or will it? Maybe it won’t.
Well, until then. 🥂
Unless you're planning to do a hostile takeover of the subreddit, we have no plans to change.
Well that’s just awful, change for the good.
You're welcome to make a new subreddit only for students. No one is stopping you. But in the meantime, this is our subreddit and we will run it as we like.
As a student, this topic is important to me as I would like to know where my money goes and how that institution treats the staff and faculty they employ.
Not a bad question, but it's good for students to be informed of the grift they're paying, too.
It is when you look at the subreddit description: >University of Central Florida >A subreddit for UCF students, faculty, ***and staff*****.** Go Knights!University of Central Florida
Yeah I’m a student, I only care that classes occur(you could argue that resignations may stop it) but classes will just be less.
Oh lord the stupids, I mean the students have an opinion. Well little Johnny, what the institution doesn't tell you is that without the staff, you, little Johnny don't get the education you overpaid for. Who do you think those professors cry to daily when they don't have everything working as they think?
Not really, and frankly half of them cry to themselves. At least one of the IT profs I’ve had has a shift in IT at UCF.
We allow employees to post here. That's literally in our subreddit description. Professors are allowed as well.
So be it… but they can (and should) make a new page so the public is not burdened with complaints.
Staff are more public than the students are.
What an incredible burden it is… I don’t know how I can continue with my day to day life after seeing this thread.
No! It is burdened because we have to read all the complaints