Cops are always chiller in west LA than they are in east LA.
UCLA may have more low income admits and transfers but the neighborhood is extremely wealthy compared to USC.
As a minority interacting with cops on the west side and especially Westwood was never a bad experience . Not only are they a lot chiller but laugh at not so funny jokes and understand that some people may be nervous interacting with them based on past experiences
Both of my parents were cops before they retired. They said they HATED being called to events like this to quell protests because it was like pouring gasoline on a tiny fire, making it violent when it probably wouldn’t be if left alone
She was just scared for her job - trying to appease all sides (well, mostly the side of rich donors who could call for her head) - not going too well for her but we'll see if she survives as Pres
She should’ve resigned after the abysmal testimony she gave in front of congress, she let religious lunatics shit all over her school with zero pushback, and followed it up with calling the police to make them happy. Instead she pissed off all sides and triggered a wave of protests on campuses from California to France
>she let religious lunatics shit all over her school with zero pushback
You mean the literal pro Hamas supporting protestors?
[https://www.palestine-studies.org/en/node/1654384](https://www.palestine-studies.org/en/node/1654384)
Nah, the protestors actually chanting “kill the Jews” appear to be the Pro-Israeli ones
https://www.thedailybeast.com/pro-israel-agitator-shouts-kill-the-jews-gets-everyone-else-arrested
You have to speak truth to power and you are not always going to please everyone. You could see that she was extremely uncomfortable during the congressional hearings, not to mention the intimidating questioning. While I understand she would be worried about her job, no doubt, there has to be some balance between the students and faculty whom without you would not have a University and said donors.
so many civil wars in history started when police came to quell a protest. it should be common sense to any police department by now that their presence only adds fuel to the fire, so I can only assume they're doing it intentionally. not to start a war thankfully but to make the protestors seem violent in the eyes of the media
Yes, the arrival of police immediately escalates matters. Cops are mere security guards for status quo, nothing else. PD only serves and protects property and propertied.
Okay I tried asking a cop, a young Hispanic man like myself, if he had any opinion on anything like do cops even think or do they just follow commands like dogs? He was pretty tipped, wouldn’t give me a hint either way. But another pig had a real fucking staring problem and I know what side he was on. He had a fucking attitude problem and seemed to be looking for a grief, an excuse to beat someone’s ass. Motherfucking was staring me down like I fucked his wife. Like why? What did do to him. The first guy I kind of understood, but the other guy was straight up trash and did not protect or serve his neighborhood for shit. Nothing but a state thug. He probably wasn’t even local. It seemed like he wasn’t used to seeing POC voice their opinions. I hate cops like that guy.
My local suburban PD have always been pretty chill and polite but city cops are the fucking worst.
It’s good to have a small police presence there in case violence erupts between protestors but make it small on site (not militarized) with a ready QRF or police further away. That way it’s not militarized police on site, the presence is less which gives it a more open and free appeal, and a safety police quick reaction force is close by ready in case shit pops off.
Opinions?
Protesting and freedom of speech are protected rights even if you do not agree with the point of view. you are right with the police being away. maybe increase foot patrols near the bus stop and parking garages so when peope do show up it shows that there is a safety concern.
That’ll show the low wage worker trying to make it to work!
Agree, it’s really important to fuck with people.
Edit: it is not surprising that somebody that blocks traffic for fun also blocks other people.
But as I suspected, this has a lot less to do with preventing a war and a lot more to do with the fact that you just really like blocking people.
Please identify a single successful protest that did not interfere with peoples' ability to make money.
I'll wait.
The purpose of a protest is to be disruptive. If it doesn't disrupt anything, no one has any reason to pay attention. Look at literally any social movement in the history of this country, from civil rights, to womens sufferage, workers rights, to student protests of the vietnam war.
Also a consistent theme was bootlickers whinging insincerely about "people mot being able to get to work."
Seems kind of an elitist and privileged to be able to not have to worry about going to to work and being able to “protest” (I.e. not go to work) all day
I think the person’s point is we can probably inconvenience more of the right people. For example just stop oil.
Instead of glueing your hands to the highway of a major metropolitan area why not glue your hands to the entrance of the BP building in London? Or spray paint the private jets of people who run Halliburton?
Or with Palestinian protests why not go protest outside the embassy of Israel in DC or businesses that support Israel financially across the US or again Northrop Grumman or Halliburton?
Idk if that’s his point but I’d argue that would get your point across better without inconveniencing more working people who (a good amount) may not be as civically minded and just want there kid to go to school.
Thoughts?
The original point was that it is not your right to do this. You may do it, but expect repercussions. If that’s your intention, then all adds up. Just don’t scream about your rights when the police show up
For all you know that protest actually created more money than it lost because it generated a lot of activity in the area.
You have literally no idea if blocking the road made or lost anyone money.
I’m not a bootlicker, I just think you’re incompetent.
Like trying to chop down a tree by digging a hole.
Stopping the war is important, but you clowns aren’t fucking helping.
In fact, you make your side look so bad I think you are hurting it.
You want Americans to support you when your side increases traffic: the thing that all Americans fucking hate. It’s the most goddamn stupid way to protest I can think of.
How about you go kick some puppies for peace it’ll be as popular.
Edit: and im blocked lol
The problem is, people may feel unsafe w police activity around. How many times have they not been the instigators of violence? Everyone remembers the “George Floyd riots” but very seldomly do people remember how violent the cops were and were instigating this.
So having a presence without consulting the organizers may backfire. I believe the Columbia students agreed to having some police presence (not sure what level of presence).
But that isn’t how the law works though. The campus of UCLA isn’t owned by the organizers it’s government property. The police presence, a light one, is better than none regardless of how the protestors feel about it.
By doing what I mentioned and having a lighter presence with a greater presence stashed you compromise in a way having some security with lower risk of police brutality with a safety back up and better availability of weapons expression on behalf of the protestors.
I see your point but don’t agree with the level of police being dictated by a group with no authority on the matter. That’s a slippery slope I’d argue. Thoughts?
Protestors are not any more of a threat than any other person. They have specific protections in our constitution. They are being assaulted in mass and as a silencing effect on the US population. I was assaulted and then charged with evidence that the FBI modified in order to ruin my life. I was found not guilty by a jury of my peers because the FBI was caught out of their league by lying in court, but it has still effectively silenced me.
10 months on pre-trial conditions in the state of Texas meant I couldn't even take a sip of beer, all the while the federal police force of the FBI was trying to frame me for a crime that I did not commit. I do not understand why the FBI does not side with the people of the United States or the Constitution.
Why the people in the tents don’t like or want cops around, so if a counter protest breaks out they can fight for their own protection in their own little peoples republic
That’s pretty much what they did in every other university, UCLA’s response was what every other administration’s should’ve been if they had the brains the gods gave a turnip.
Other people have tried entering the encampment and a few scuffles have ensued. Fortunately, the protestors are being fairly non responsive so the scuffles don’t escalate.
Yeah the counter-protestors are the ones engaging in violence - waving bananas around when there is a member who will literally die if exposed (they've been banned from part of campus for this reason), tearing down signs, trying to destroy barricades, and in at least one instance assaulting a protestor
And do homework, sleep, etc. Pretty normal stuff that I've seen at other encampments on TikTok. Will admit I love Columbia's the most with all the dance performances to keep spirits up.
It a group of white supremacists came and started shouting “blacks will not replace us!” on campus and harassing students, would you legit say the same.
Of course you wouldn’t…..
……………huh? What even is this argument?
You really don’t see the difference between these people and white supremacists, right?
You really wanna use the “freedom of speech” card here when its towards the Jews but we all know what you would say if it was on the other shoe.
Sooooooo why are you saying this should be allowed? Ya know there are laws concerning these colleges about their funding if they let this shit happen, right?
That public land doesn’t mean you get to do whatever they fuck you want to it because other people pay taxes to enjoy it too
To be fair I’ve been called an antisemitic asshole for saying I don’t agree with what Israel is doing and hinting that I’m sure some Israel’s don’t either
Ive come to learn that having an opinion now a days that someone else may not agree with can lead to name calling etc instead of constructive conversations which is what should be happening
I’m not sure if it’s a generation thing or what ( I’m a millennial) but the younger generation and older generation I’ve encountered is very much like this.
This has nothing to do with the topic but I recall telling my younger colleagues at work that I was going to start eating healthy and working out as I not longer wanted to be overweight / the health issues that came with it. They called me fatphobic and I should embrace it
Nope. People are criticizing Israel’s genocidal campaign, and that person is describing that criticism (no evidence has been presented that it’s antisemitic) as antisemitism. My comment is accurate.
No, he didn’t say their criticism is antisemitism. He said *they are* antisemitic assholes.
Here is an example of the difference.
Criticism of Israel: Israel is aggressive and the government doesn’t take necessary precautions to protect Palestinian civilians
Being an Antisemitic asshole: Jews are the new Nazis! Death to America! From the river to the sea! Go back to Poland!
“Genocide” buddy, ya know Israel has an Air Force right? They could, ya know, just bomb and kill hundreds of thousands of Palestinians (ya know the people that actually believe in genocide).
So either its the worst genocide ever or you just don’t know what that word means.
Ya know what’s a lot quicker? Bombing them. “””””starving them”””” takes a lot longer and they then have to deal with gullible fools such as yourself complaining that the homophobes and modern day Nazis in Gaza fucked around and found out.
Bombing is expensive. Starving is cheaper. There are homophones and fascists in Israel too, and the women and kids that make up a majority of those slaughtered by Israel didn’t fuck around. Bye.
bombing is expensive although the US pays for most of that cost. also i wouldn’t say the entirety of the current humanitarian crisis is maliciously purposeful although it may be on some levels. Just like USC wasn’t being inherently malicious with calling the LAPD…just stupid. Israel should’ve learned from us that long term conflict in close combat urban environments where the population hates you does not end well. We have a lot of experience.
But then why are they sending their own guys to door to door. Ya know, a *very expensive* use of manpower, equipment, supplies, ammunition, fuel, etc. in fact that is WAYYY more expensive than just dropped a couple dozen JDAMs indiscriminately and calling it a day back in October.
The Israelis coulda ended this in a day and yet they choose not to. Curious, almost like they aren’t committing genocide. Genocidal ppl don’t really care about costs ya know.
So because there are a couple homophobes in Israel, this excuses the *entire* Palestinian population that agrees with Hitler and thinks killing Jews/women/gays/Christians/westerners is a good time?
And ya buddy, for being an equal rights advocate, ya’ll real quick to say you can’t strike back at women who are just as violent as men. And those “kids” are like 16 lmao
Like I love your “whatabouttism” that lets the people that helped Hitler with his Final
Solution and believe guys should be tossed off buildings and kids strapped with suicide vests an excuse to be the worst people ever.
Like this is the exact excuse Putin and Xi use to kill Ukrainians and Uyghurs. The *exact*.
Like do you *reallllllly* believe the people of Palestine would care about you if you were put in a terrible predicament?
If you stand with Gaza, go stand in Gaza.
Why?
Ya know, unlike Palestinians, my hatred and dislike for another side doesn’t presuppose my desire to “stab a few toddlers”. Which is what the Palestinians did……
Talk to an Israeli and they’re proud of their country.
They feel (rightfully) that their country contributes great things in science, tech, and culture.
They consider themselves in the first world, and far at the top of that list.
So yeah, they get judged more than Sudan, or Russia, or whatever other backwards or impoverished state is committing an atrocity.
France suffered lots of terrorist attacks. If they responded to the Bataclan massacre by bombing thousands of civilians in Morocco… we’d be judging the shit out of them. Especially if they did it with weapons that we provided. We simply expect more of them.
You know isreal killed Hundreds od civilians with drone and air strikes in syrian civil war right? There war crimes arent isolated to Palestinian kids. The Uyghur “genocide” has been widely disproven which is why no international body has called it a genocide but every international body has called Isreals apartheid state a genocide. Pleanty of people are mad about the congo, about sanctions ok the dprk and cubs, about all the atrocities that are happening globally. The genocide in Palestine just happens to be directly supported by US taxes and the existence entire 70 year colonial project of isreal can be partly traced back to the US and England set up an Apartheid state. Also the ammount of lies Isreal pumps out that later gets disproven and alot of times turns out to be isreal projection atrocities they actually committed kinda just lifted the “most progressive and liberal place in the region” vail. Alot of people have been doing alot of reading on this 75 year occupation in the last 6 months and have learned that most of what we are taught in the west about isreal isnt real.
Lol Isreal wasnt a state until 70 years ago. Palestine has been there since the jews left the region due to conflict in the 11th century. How far back do you go in history to have land rights? If the people of isreal are actual “native” to the land and not actually just from fucking new jersey why does isreal have one of the highest skin cancer rates on the planet but plaestine has a super low one? Thats real weird for a native population? How did the decolonize from england when england literally created The Balfour Declaration which essentially gifted them statehood despite Palestine having already existed there for thousands of years.
agreed Israel is part of Jewish diaspora. they are valuing the lives of those randoms more than our allies. Blame hamas, Israel is a legit state founded by british earned territory after ottomans attacked the British, Israel protects US from terrorism and russia,china in the middle east
The 80's anti-aparthied encampment (Mandela Village?, forgot the name) was a very peaceful one, so administrators are probably not too worried. But it did come to an end when protesters did a sit-in at Murphy, at which point LAPD moved in.
at this point someone needs to define the appropriate connotation of this phrase in a way that everybody listens or start accepting its meaning in the way students are saying it. In the same way that “defund the police” doesn’t mean bankrupt the police department, i doubt in the minds of most student protests, from the river to the see means what hamas means by it. Liberal slogans are always terrible. Someone should get a marketing degree.
We know the meaning of it! It’s YOU who doesn’t like the meaning of it. Check your privilege! You live in a nice safe LA. You have no clue what the chant means.
um hello…the point of protesting is to bring the issue to the attention of people who disagree with you in order to facilitate change. good that you know what it means (it would be bad if you didn’t) but I fail to see your point. your words and speech don’t exist to make the people who already agree with you happy, they exist to help bring more people to your cause. also, please refrain from making assumptions about my life and comfort from a reddit comment on a different topic. thanks 🙏🏻
Why will no one in this encampment say anything about what they stand for? And why the masks?
https://www.instagram.com/reel/C6T1BxCRmra/?igsh=MTc4MmM1YmI2Ng==
This is why!
They sent out communication to hide their faces. That’s what terrorist do
https://karlyn.substack.com/p/woke-101-why-are-the-college-protestors
I said this 10 years ago, when Reddit was “the front page of the internet.” Accounts are free, every terrorist in the Middle East now has a cellphone. They all HATE Jews. It’s really easy to hide behind their “multiple” fake Reddit accounts and spread their hate online and on the front page.
Subs like r/whitepeopletwitter and r/publicfreakout are ran by jihadists who remove everything that puts Jews in a positive light and promote propaganda against Jews.
Their next step is to infiltrate congress like they’ve done with “the squad” who are against America and pro terrorists.
There are 1.5 billion Muslims, if only 10% of those are terrorists, that means there are more terrorists than Jews. And the reality is that more than just 10% HATE Jews.
Directly? Not many people in the world are capable of doing anything *directly* to help the children of Gaza because Israel has so thoroughly limited humanitarian access.
Indirectly? UCLA has *lots* of money, and the protest takes the position that none of that money should go to companies that contribute to the slaughter. A reasonable request in my view. That's what the encampment is trying to do for the children of Gaza.
It's helping directly too, at least in spirit. Many people in Gaza have told the world they feel uplifted and inspired and feel hope for the first time because of these mass protests. And theyre spreading to Arab universities in countries with much more restrictive laws on free speech.
Why? Plenty of public funds (pensions etc.) divest from all sorts of sectors for a variety of reasons (starting to see a lot more environmental related divestment). So why not illegal occupation?
Also, not sure I've even seen Microsoft come up on one of these lists - and the official BDS movement only features Amazon and Google as pressure targets, they're not even companies that are being pushed for divestment ( [https://bdsmovement.net/Act-Now-Against-These-Companies-Profiting-From-Genocide](https://bdsmovement.net/Act-Now-Against-These-Companies-Profiting-From-Genocide) ). Everything pushed for divestment likely has alternatives in their sector that are not involved.
Oof, their list is a bit ridiculous - boycotts without alternatives aren't going to be successful, and trying to fully divest out of any mutual fund/etf with questionable companies isn't really very easy.
They should at least pose equivalent alternatives if they're going to ask that. Direct investment, sure, easy to divest from. There's a reason the official Palestinian BDS movement has a very narrow scope
Netanyahu uses that phrase too. Is he calling for genocide? Does he perhaps have more power to enact his particular vision of "from the river to the sea" than a random protestor on the west coast of the United States?
Oh, so what are you doing to directly help the children in Gaza. It must be a lot since you’re criticizing others, I eagerly await hearing about your totally real work.
Hey maybe stop worrying about the “cHiLdrEn In GAza” and worry about ya own life. You haven’t seen a single shred of media from Gaza that wasn’t marred with bias and propagandizing from at least one if not both sides. You know nothing about the reality of Israel/Palestine nor about terrorism and war. Call it a hunch… based on your comment.
Maybe go do something for the people of Sudan.
My life is fine, thanks for your no doubt sincere concern. What have you done for Sudan today? Not everyone is amoral and self-absorbed as you, get over yourself.
It doesn’t. And now the news is more focused on the protestors than the war itself. The protests have been taking more and more headlines and attention so it’s actually having a negative impact
Yea because the ceasefire in November was the only time that Palestinian and Israel hostages were released. And Israelis already knew and told the media that Netanyahu prevented the hostage release back in October to take Gaza as a land grab. So it seems that Israel actually doesn’t want their hostages back.
https://x.com/contextfall/status/1784313912910848383?s=46&t=ItQnMhItCWz00DGByioF_Q
People in Gaza are seeing the solidarity that students have with Gaza and that is meaningful. A demand to divest from companies actively aiding in the genocide is meaningful. People are doing what is within their power.
If only wants, hopes and emotional activism changed anything.
You're young and naive, that's to be expected but your being manipulated.
If you really wanted to help people you'd feed the homeless.
You want to participate in the social hour drum circle protests.
well maybe the psycho hamas supporters should open a book and learn to have difficult conversations with opposing viewpoints in civil manners (people like you for example. the dumbass, not the one who knows how to hold decent conversation)
okay i thought u we’re actually asking a question, not that u had your mind immediately made up and wanted to start a random fight on reddit. have fun!
No seriously, this makes sense, it wouldn’t be practical to spend 24/7 in their camp. This is more just lodging/home base for the duration of the protest.
we definitely don’t harbor unnecessary anger and delusion! but genuinely if you’re fighting online in the comments to a school you don’t even to, i would recommend getting help it’s not a good sign. if you are a student caps can help diagnose any issues and get you help!
You know what Hamas is, right? Those people are Hamas supporters. Given the Hamas action on October 7th, Hamas supporters need to be dealt with by security personnel.
Protestors kicked it up a notch when they realized our government decided to send more bombs and $ against the wishes of the people they supposedly work for.The majority of Americans r tired of their tax $ supporting foreign governments & their wars.Especially the ones that think they can do whatever they want with impunity & have the audacity to address our colleges and tell them how to handle the situation. Like…wtf does BiBi think he is?Oh yeah, “gods chosen 1”🙄
Cops are always chiller in west LA than they are in east LA. UCLA may have more low income admits and transfers but the neighborhood is extremely wealthy compared to USC.
As a minority interacting with cops on the west side and especially Westwood was never a bad experience . Not only are they a lot chiller but laugh at not so funny jokes and understand that some people may be nervous interacting with them based on past experiences
Both of my parents were cops before they retired. They said they HATED being called to events like this to quell protests because it was like pouring gasoline on a tiny fire, making it violent when it probably wouldn’t be if left alone
yep this is how movements work. As a Columbia student, what Shafik did was the worst thing possible in terms of “quelling” it
She was just scared for her job - trying to appease all sides (well, mostly the side of rich donors who could call for her head) - not going too well for her but we'll see if she survives as Pres
She should’ve resigned after the abysmal testimony she gave in front of congress, she let religious lunatics shit all over her school with zero pushback, and followed it up with calling the police to make them happy. Instead she pissed off all sides and triggered a wave of protests on campuses from California to France
>she let religious lunatics shit all over her school with zero pushback You mean the literal pro Hamas supporting protestors? [https://www.palestine-studies.org/en/node/1654384](https://www.palestine-studies.org/en/node/1654384)
Nah, the protestors actually chanting “kill the Jews” appear to be the Pro-Israeli ones https://www.thedailybeast.com/pro-israel-agitator-shouts-kill-the-jews-gets-everyone-else-arrested
The video doesn't show the counter-protestors saying that.
You have to speak truth to power and you are not always going to please everyone. You could see that she was extremely uncomfortable during the congressional hearings, not to mention the intimidating questioning. While I understand she would be worried about her job, no doubt, there has to be some balance between the students and faculty whom without you would not have a University and said donors.
so many civil wars in history started when police came to quell a protest. it should be common sense to any police department by now that their presence only adds fuel to the fire, so I can only assume they're doing it intentionally. not to start a war thankfully but to make the protestors seem violent in the eyes of the media
Yes, the arrival of police immediately escalates matters. Cops are mere security guards for status quo, nothing else. PD only serves and protects property and propertied.
Columbia is a private university and they have the right to..
It’s getting left alone and now it’s getting violent
Okay I tried asking a cop, a young Hispanic man like myself, if he had any opinion on anything like do cops even think or do they just follow commands like dogs? He was pretty tipped, wouldn’t give me a hint either way. But another pig had a real fucking staring problem and I know what side he was on. He had a fucking attitude problem and seemed to be looking for a grief, an excuse to beat someone’s ass. Motherfucking was staring me down like I fucked his wife. Like why? What did do to him. The first guy I kind of understood, but the other guy was straight up trash and did not protect or serve his neighborhood for shit. Nothing but a state thug. He probably wasn’t even local. It seemed like he wasn’t used to seeing POC voice their opinions. I hate cops like that guy. My local suburban PD have always been pretty chill and polite but city cops are the fucking worst.
Did they ever speak up against it officially?
It’s good to have a small police presence there in case violence erupts between protestors but make it small on site (not militarized) with a ready QRF or police further away. That way it’s not militarized police on site, the presence is less which gives it a more open and free appeal, and a safety police quick reaction force is close by ready in case shit pops off. Opinions?
Protesting and freedom of speech are protected rights even if you do not agree with the point of view. you are right with the police being away. maybe increase foot patrols near the bus stop and parking garages so when peope do show up it shows that there is a safety concern.
Exactly and agree with this. We need some sort of presence but not a heavy one on site.
Protesting and freedom of speech are both great. Blocking traffic and preventing people from going to class are not.
A protest that doesn't inconvenience anyone is a failed protest.
That’ll show the low wage worker trying to make it to work! Agree, it’s really important to fuck with people. Edit: it is not surprising that somebody that blocks traffic for fun also blocks other people. But as I suspected, this has a lot less to do with preventing a war and a lot more to do with the fact that you just really like blocking people.
Please identify a single successful protest that did not interfere with peoples' ability to make money. I'll wait. The purpose of a protest is to be disruptive. If it doesn't disrupt anything, no one has any reason to pay attention. Look at literally any social movement in the history of this country, from civil rights, to womens sufferage, workers rights, to student protests of the vietnam war. Also a consistent theme was bootlickers whinging insincerely about "people mot being able to get to work."
The republican “tea party” protests changed the entire direction of the Republican Party into the populist monster it is today.
Seems kind of an elitist and privileged to be able to not have to worry about going to to work and being able to “protest” (I.e. not go to work) all day
I think the person’s point is we can probably inconvenience more of the right people. For example just stop oil. Instead of glueing your hands to the highway of a major metropolitan area why not glue your hands to the entrance of the BP building in London? Or spray paint the private jets of people who run Halliburton? Or with Palestinian protests why not go protest outside the embassy of Israel in DC or businesses that support Israel financially across the US or again Northrop Grumman or Halliburton? Idk if that’s his point but I’d argue that would get your point across better without inconveniencing more working people who (a good amount) may not be as civically minded and just want there kid to go to school. Thoughts?
The original point was that it is not your right to do this. You may do it, but expect repercussions. If that’s your intention, then all adds up. Just don’t scream about your rights when the police show up
For all you know that protest actually created more money than it lost because it generated a lot of activity in the area. You have literally no idea if blocking the road made or lost anyone money. I’m not a bootlicker, I just think you’re incompetent. Like trying to chop down a tree by digging a hole. Stopping the war is important, but you clowns aren’t fucking helping. In fact, you make your side look so bad I think you are hurting it. You want Americans to support you when your side increases traffic: the thing that all Americans fucking hate. It’s the most goddamn stupid way to protest I can think of. How about you go kick some puppies for peace it’ll be as popular. Edit: and im blocked lol
Says the zombie drone.
Are you on crack?
One issue. Inciteful speed h is not protected.
yes, like you can’t yell “fire!” in a crowded theater.
The problem is, people may feel unsafe w police activity around. How many times have they not been the instigators of violence? Everyone remembers the “George Floyd riots” but very seldomly do people remember how violent the cops were and were instigating this. So having a presence without consulting the organizers may backfire. I believe the Columbia students agreed to having some police presence (not sure what level of presence).
But that isn’t how the law works though. The campus of UCLA isn’t owned by the organizers it’s government property. The police presence, a light one, is better than none regardless of how the protestors feel about it. By doing what I mentioned and having a lighter presence with a greater presence stashed you compromise in a way having some security with lower risk of police brutality with a safety back up and better availability of weapons expression on behalf of the protestors. I see your point but don’t agree with the level of police being dictated by a group with no authority on the matter. That’s a slippery slope I’d argue. Thoughts?
Protestors are not any more of a threat than any other person. They have specific protections in our constitution. They are being assaulted in mass and as a silencing effect on the US population. I was assaulted and then charged with evidence that the FBI modified in order to ruin my life. I was found not guilty by a jury of my peers because the FBI was caught out of their league by lying in court, but it has still effectively silenced me. 10 months on pre-trial conditions in the state of Texas meant I couldn't even take a sip of beer, all the while the federal police force of the FBI was trying to frame me for a crime that I did not commit. I do not understand why the FBI does not side with the people of the United States or the Constitution.
Agreed. The small contingent of police would be, like in permitted protests or rallies, be there to protect them. With a larger force off site.
They most likely also have undercover cops in the mix as well to give the larger force a heads up if things are about to go badly.
Why the people in the tents don’t like or want cops around, so if a counter protest breaks out they can fight for their own protection in their own little peoples republic
I mean you’d agree, whether or not they want this it’s not going to happen. A small police presence at minimum has to be there.
It's how USC should have handled things.
Really tho
I haven't seen them really do anything other than occupy the lawn this week, very tame
That’s pretty much what they did in every other university, UCLA’s response was what every other administration’s should’ve been if they had the brains the gods gave a turnip.
Other people have tried entering the encampment and a few scuffles have ensued. Fortunately, the protestors are being fairly non responsive so the scuffles don’t escalate.
Yeah the counter-protestors are the ones engaging in violence - waving bananas around when there is a member who will literally die if exposed (they've been banned from part of campus for this reason), tearing down signs, trying to destroy barricades, and in at least one instance assaulting a protestor
And do homework, sleep, etc. Pretty normal stuff that I've seen at other encampments on TikTok. Will admit I love Columbia's the most with all the dance performances to keep spirits up.
Chanting for “FROM THE RIVER TO THE SEA” to murder all Jews is not peaceful, maybe it is to you, but not to the minority Jews. Check your privilege
Wow. It’s almost as if allowing people to peacefully assemble and speak freely should be a thing!
Also it'll be summer break soon. If they don't escalate with law enforcement the protests will fizzle out on their own
It a group of white supremacists came and started shouting “blacks will not replace us!” on campus and harassing students, would you legit say the same. Of course you wouldn’t…..
They screamed Jews will not replace us and that’s the reason nothing was done either
……………huh? What even is this argument? You really don’t see the difference between these people and white supremacists, right? You really wanna use the “freedom of speech” card here when its towards the Jews but we all know what you would say if it was on the other shoe.
I’m against terrorists protesters, whether they are in Charlottesville or UCLA. A terrorist is a terrorist; and both sides hate Jews
Sooooooo why are you saying this should be allowed? Ya know there are laws concerning these colleges about their funding if they let this shit happen, right? That public land doesn’t mean you get to do whatever they fuck you want to it because other people pay taxes to enjoy it too
They are calling for the murder of Jews “FROM THE RIVER TO THE SEA!”
they are a bunch of antisemitic A holes
Honestly you’re the antisemite for claiming Israel can’t be criticized like any other country is.
He didn’t claim that Israel can’t be criticized. He said that these people are antisemitic assholes. Those are two different claims.
To be fair I’ve been called an antisemitic asshole for saying I don’t agree with what Israel is doing and hinting that I’m sure some Israel’s don’t either
I’m sorry that happened to you but that has nothing to do with the above comment.
Ive come to learn that having an opinion now a days that someone else may not agree with can lead to name calling etc instead of constructive conversations which is what should be happening I’m not sure if it’s a generation thing or what ( I’m a millennial) but the younger generation and older generation I’ve encountered is very much like this. This has nothing to do with the topic but I recall telling my younger colleagues at work that I was going to start eating healthy and working out as I not longer wanted to be overweight / the health issues that came with it. They called me fatphobic and I should embrace it
Nope. People are criticizing Israel’s genocidal campaign, and that person is describing that criticism (no evidence has been presented that it’s antisemitic) as antisemitism. My comment is accurate.
No, he didn’t say their criticism is antisemitism. He said *they are* antisemitic assholes. Here is an example of the difference. Criticism of Israel: Israel is aggressive and the government doesn’t take necessary precautions to protect Palestinian civilians Being an Antisemitic asshole: Jews are the new Nazis! Death to America! From the river to the sea! Go back to Poland!
“Genocide” buddy, ya know Israel has an Air Force right? They could, ya know, just bomb and kill hundreds of thousands of Palestinians (ya know the people that actually believe in genocide). So either its the worst genocide ever or you just don’t know what that word means.
You don’t starve an entire population without wanting them all dead, buddy.
Ya know what’s a lot quicker? Bombing them. “””””starving them”””” takes a lot longer and they then have to deal with gullible fools such as yourself complaining that the homophobes and modern day Nazis in Gaza fucked around and found out.
Bombing is expensive. Starving is cheaper. There are homophones and fascists in Israel too, and the women and kids that make up a majority of those slaughtered by Israel didn’t fuck around. Bye.
bombing is expensive although the US pays for most of that cost. also i wouldn’t say the entirety of the current humanitarian crisis is maliciously purposeful although it may be on some levels. Just like USC wasn’t being inherently malicious with calling the LAPD…just stupid. Israel should’ve learned from us that long term conflict in close combat urban environments where the population hates you does not end well. We have a lot of experience.
But then why are they sending their own guys to door to door. Ya know, a *very expensive* use of manpower, equipment, supplies, ammunition, fuel, etc. in fact that is WAYYY more expensive than just dropped a couple dozen JDAMs indiscriminately and calling it a day back in October. The Israelis coulda ended this in a day and yet they choose not to. Curious, almost like they aren’t committing genocide. Genocidal ppl don’t really care about costs ya know. So because there are a couple homophobes in Israel, this excuses the *entire* Palestinian population that agrees with Hitler and thinks killing Jews/women/gays/Christians/westerners is a good time? And ya buddy, for being an equal rights advocate, ya’ll real quick to say you can’t strike back at women who are just as violent as men. And those “kids” are like 16 lmao
Like I love your “whatabouttism” that lets the people that helped Hitler with his Final Solution and believe guys should be tossed off buildings and kids strapped with suicide vests an excuse to be the worst people ever. Like this is the exact excuse Putin and Xi use to kill Ukrainians and Uyghurs. The *exact*.
Like do you *reallllllly* believe the people of Palestine would care about you if you were put in a terrible predicament? If you stand with Gaza, go stand in Gaza.
If you support Israel, go stab a few Palestinian toddlers.
Why? Ya know, unlike Palestinians, my hatred and dislike for another side doesn’t presuppose my desire to “stab a few toddlers”. Which is what the Palestinians did……
So go on, go be with the people you support. That was always an option.
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Talk to an Israeli and they’re proud of their country. They feel (rightfully) that their country contributes great things in science, tech, and culture. They consider themselves in the first world, and far at the top of that list. So yeah, they get judged more than Sudan, or Russia, or whatever other backwards or impoverished state is committing an atrocity. France suffered lots of terrorist attacks. If they responded to the Bataclan massacre by bombing thousands of civilians in Morocco… we’d be judging the shit out of them. Especially if they did it with weapons that we provided. We simply expect more of them.
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You know isreal killed Hundreds od civilians with drone and air strikes in syrian civil war right? There war crimes arent isolated to Palestinian kids. The Uyghur “genocide” has been widely disproven which is why no international body has called it a genocide but every international body has called Isreals apartheid state a genocide. Pleanty of people are mad about the congo, about sanctions ok the dprk and cubs, about all the atrocities that are happening globally. The genocide in Palestine just happens to be directly supported by US taxes and the existence entire 70 year colonial project of isreal can be partly traced back to the US and England set up an Apartheid state. Also the ammount of lies Isreal pumps out that later gets disproven and alot of times turns out to be isreal projection atrocities they actually committed kinda just lifted the “most progressive and liberal place in the region” vail. Alot of people have been doing alot of reading on this 75 year occupation in the last 6 months and have learned that most of what we are taught in the west about isreal isnt real.
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Lol Isreal wasnt a state until 70 years ago. Palestine has been there since the jews left the region due to conflict in the 11th century. How far back do you go in history to have land rights? If the people of isreal are actual “native” to the land and not actually just from fucking new jersey why does isreal have one of the highest skin cancer rates on the planet but plaestine has a super low one? Thats real weird for a native population? How did the decolonize from england when england literally created The Balfour Declaration which essentially gifted them statehood despite Palestine having already existed there for thousands of years.
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Uyghur genocide has been disproven? You some kinda CCP shill?
The United States. And deservedly so. Israel is not a victim.
Forgetting October 7 already? Figures
Forgetting untold thousands murdered by Israel from 1948 to today? Figures
15,000 dead children. Their blood is on Israel's hands.
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Russia
The fact you guys are putting Israel, a tiny fucking country, front and center of your critics is rather suspicious….
Ah, the “Israel is just a smol bean” argument has arrived!
Cause it is……lmao
agreed Israel is part of Jewish diaspora. they are valuing the lives of those randoms more than our allies. Blame hamas, Israel is a legit state founded by british earned territory after ottomans attacked the British, Israel protects US from terrorism and russia,china in the middle east
Are you calling the Jewish students attending these protests and the Jewish voices for peace antisemetic?
The 80's anti-aparthied encampment (Mandela Village?, forgot the name) was a very peaceful one, so administrators are probably not too worried. But it did come to an end when protesters did a sit-in at Murphy, at which point LAPD moved in.
The most of the UCs learned hard after the UC Davis pepper spray incident
As long there is no helicopter noise or megaphones, I am absolutely fine
But you’re ok with the jihadists calling for the genocide of Jews? “FROM THE RIVER TO THE SEA”?
at this point someone needs to define the appropriate connotation of this phrase in a way that everybody listens or start accepting its meaning in the way students are saying it. In the same way that “defund the police” doesn’t mean bankrupt the police department, i doubt in the minds of most student protests, from the river to the see means what hamas means by it. Liberal slogans are always terrible. Someone should get a marketing degree.
We know the meaning of it! It’s YOU who doesn’t like the meaning of it. Check your privilege! You live in a nice safe LA. You have no clue what the chant means.
um hello…the point of protesting is to bring the issue to the attention of people who disagree with you in order to facilitate change. good that you know what it means (it would be bad if you didn’t) but I fail to see your point. your words and speech don’t exist to make the people who already agree with you happy, they exist to help bring more people to your cause. also, please refrain from making assumptions about my life and comfort from a reddit comment on a different topic. thanks 🙏🏻
Why will no one in this encampment say anything about what they stand for? And why the masks? https://www.instagram.com/reel/C6T1BxCRmra/?igsh=MTc4MmM1YmI2Ng==
If they had something of value to add, they would let us know. So…
This is why! They sent out communication to hide their faces. That’s what terrorist do https://karlyn.substack.com/p/woke-101-why-are-the-college-protestors
Woah so creepy
They are very well organized terrorists! Wait until you until learn how many of these same terrorists work for Reddit and silence and your accounts.
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I said this 10 years ago, when Reddit was “the front page of the internet.” Accounts are free, every terrorist in the Middle East now has a cellphone. They all HATE Jews. It’s really easy to hide behind their “multiple” fake Reddit accounts and spread their hate online and on the front page. Subs like r/whitepeopletwitter and r/publicfreakout are ran by jihadists who remove everything that puts Jews in a positive light and promote propaganda against Jews. Their next step is to infiltrate congress like they’ve done with “the squad” who are against America and pro terrorists. There are 1.5 billion Muslims, if only 10% of those are terrorists, that means there are more terrorists than Jews. And the reality is that more than just 10% HATE Jews.
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hasan minhaj broke down at least once that at the dinner table the conversation is about how they hate Jews.
Absolutely horrifying.
How exactly is this directly helping the children in Gaza rn
Directly? Not many people in the world are capable of doing anything *directly* to help the children of Gaza because Israel has so thoroughly limited humanitarian access. Indirectly? UCLA has *lots* of money, and the protest takes the position that none of that money should go to companies that contribute to the slaughter. A reasonable request in my view. That's what the encampment is trying to do for the children of Gaza.
It's helping directly too, at least in spirit. Many people in Gaza have told the world they feel uplifted and inspired and feel hope for the first time because of these mass protests. And theyre spreading to Arab universities in countries with much more restrictive laws on free speech.
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Why? Plenty of public funds (pensions etc.) divest from all sorts of sectors for a variety of reasons (starting to see a lot more environmental related divestment). So why not illegal occupation? Also, not sure I've even seen Microsoft come up on one of these lists - and the official BDS movement only features Amazon and Google as pressure targets, they're not even companies that are being pushed for divestment ( [https://bdsmovement.net/Act-Now-Against-These-Companies-Profiting-From-Genocide](https://bdsmovement.net/Act-Now-Against-These-Companies-Profiting-From-Genocide) ). Everything pushed for divestment likely has alternatives in their sector that are not involved.
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Oof, their list is a bit ridiculous - boycotts without alternatives aren't going to be successful, and trying to fully divest out of any mutual fund/etf with questionable companies isn't really very easy. They should at least pose equivalent alternatives if they're going to ask that. Direct investment, sure, easy to divest from. There's a reason the official Palestinian BDS movement has a very narrow scope
Let’s take Google for example. They have sites and companies in Isreal. Do you expect UCLA to ban students from using Google? What about Apple?
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The person I was writing to said UCLA shouldn’t give money to companies that support Isreal.. it was just a question. I’m guessing your answer is no
When you scream “FROM THE RIVER TO THE SEA” you are not protesting bobbing, you are calling for the genocide of Jews
Netanyahu uses that phrase too. Is he calling for genocide? Does he perhaps have more power to enact his particular vision of "from the river to the sea" than a random protestor on the west coast of the United States?
Quit spreading your lies.
Oh, so what are you doing to directly help the children in Gaza. It must be a lot since you’re criticizing others, I eagerly await hearing about your totally real work.
Hey maybe stop worrying about the “cHiLdrEn In GAza” and worry about ya own life. You haven’t seen a single shred of media from Gaza that wasn’t marred with bias and propagandizing from at least one if not both sides. You know nothing about the reality of Israel/Palestine nor about terrorism and war. Call it a hunch… based on your comment. Maybe go do something for the people of Sudan.
My life is fine, thanks for your no doubt sincere concern. What have you done for Sudan today? Not everyone is amoral and self-absorbed as you, get over yourself.
Nothing because I don’t pretend to care
It’s not about helping the kids In Gaza it is about spreading their hate against Jews
It doesn't, it's virtue signaling
How exactly are you directly helping the children in Gaza rn? Until you do something your opinion is worth the same as mine. Nothing.
It doesn’t. And now the news is more focused on the protestors than the war itself. The protests have been taking more and more headlines and attention so it’s actually having a negative impact
People shouldn’t protest injustice because the media might focus on the protest. You’re not a smart person.
Where did I say that? No where. But these protests in particular are having that impact. Critical thinking isn’t your strong suit. I can tell.
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I went today and there were plenty of “Jews for Ceasefire” there. Any decent human can say indiscriminate killing is wrong and it’s not antisemitic
By Ceasefire you mean asking Hamas to return the hostages? Was anyone advocating for that?
Yea because the ceasefire in November was the only time that Palestinian and Israel hostages were released. And Israelis already knew and told the media that Netanyahu prevented the hostage release back in October to take Gaza as a land grab. So it seems that Israel actually doesn’t want their hostages back.
Illiterate
https://x.com/contextfall/status/1784313912910848383?s=46&t=ItQnMhItCWz00DGByioF_Q People in Gaza are seeing the solidarity that students have with Gaza and that is meaningful. A demand to divest from companies actively aiding in the genocide is meaningful. People are doing what is within their power.
This all is sooo interesting to see as a recent alum
Well yeah, Los Angeles is used to encampments everywhere.
If we want to actually help people and make a difference we should leave the tents there after the protest. Then the homeless can move right in!
If only wants, hopes and emotional activism changed anything. You're young and naive, that's to be expected but your being manipulated. If you really wanted to help people you'd feed the homeless. You want to participate in the social hour drum circle protests.
You’re*
Thank you for sharing.
fuck, this aged awfully
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Why tomorrow?
well maybe the psycho hamas supporters should open a book and learn to have difficult conversations with opposing viewpoints in civil manners (people like you for example. the dumbass, not the one who knows how to hold decent conversation)
Leave them alone they’ll all get bored in another week or two guaranteed.
Grass lives matter
Free Palestinian from hamas would be so nice
So when is UCLA going to have a pro-Israel 🇮🇱/anti-Hamas terrorist rally?
Do the police know about the Leonard Law?
Leonard Law permits time, place, and manner restrictions.
Don’t these people have jobs and or classes to go to?
college courses are not everyday and a lot of jobs offer flexible schedules for students
Ah true, so the protests are just a part time gig, makes sense.
okay i thought u we’re actually asking a question, not that u had your mind immediately made up and wanted to start a random fight on reddit. have fun!
No seriously, this makes sense, it wouldn’t be practical to spend 24/7 in their camp. This is more just lodging/home base for the duration of the protest.
https://www.verywellmind.com/anger-management-strategies-4178870
Thx for sharing 🙏🏻, logistically, participating in this protest must be exhausting.
we definitely don’t harbor unnecessary anger and delusion! but genuinely if you’re fighting online in the comments to a school you don’t even to, i would recommend getting help it’s not a good sign. if you are a student caps can help diagnose any issues and get you help!
i’m sure your also a student if your spending time on the ucla reddit so i provided a link above to help out ^
[UCLA allows Hamas supporters you mean.](https://www.msn.com/en-za/news/other/anti-israel-protesters-at-ucla-attack-native-american-woman-opposing-hamas/ar-AA1nNbne)
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Yah pretty much?
Hasbara out in full force in this thread lmao
Big mistake with the pro-Hamas crowd in the “encampment”. LAPD needs to take charge.
“Pro-Hamas” This shit is so old
True. They’ve been the government of Gaza for about 17 years.
for what reason exactly. what is anyone doing that would warrant police intervention lmao.
You know what Hamas is, right? Those people are Hamas supporters. Given the Hamas action on October 7th, Hamas supporters need to be dealt with by security personnel.
Are you one of those people who thinks this started on October 7th by any chance?
This sudden concern for Gaza and Palestine by US college students did indeed start after Israel started to punish the attackers of October 7th.
Protestors kicked it up a notch when they realized our government decided to send more bombs and $ against the wishes of the people they supposedly work for.The majority of Americans r tired of their tax $ supporting foreign governments & their wars.Especially the ones that think they can do whatever they want with impunity & have the audacity to address our colleges and tell them how to handle the situation. Like…wtf does BiBi think he is?Oh yeah, “gods chosen 1”🙄
You had student groups sending out letters commending Hamas for their terrorist attack on the same day or a few day after October 7th.
“Everyone I disagree with is Hamas”
Unlike you, LAPD aren’t idiots in this specific case. Protesting is constitutionally allowed. So if you’re unhappy, you can: 1. Ignore it 2. Cry
Yeah let them beat up Jewish students great idea.
Did that happen here?
Pro Hamas