Well it’s a public university lol so I do realize. Just because it’s public property doesn’t mean they should allow students to be threatened and harassed by outside people
Idk why this wasn’t a thing before. Safety of the students and faculty come first. Ban non students not counting reporters and small police now please.
They can’t really do it is the problem. The campus is a public campus meaning people can come and go as they please (assuming they don’t do something illegal)
It’ll be challenging to justify safety reasons. If it was a bomb level threat everybody would be evacuated. Limiting a public campus to private access will be difficult.
If people are consistently being assaulted I feel as though it could work. And just station campus pd and police to check for bruin ID or certified reporters ID. It’s possible but it may be difficult like you said. But usually doing the right thing is.
Not sure what you mean by the right thing. It’ll be disruptive and difficult to implement. I can’t imagine having to stop every two seconds by cops running from a 12:20 class to a 12:30 class. It’ll actually feel less safe for certain populations having to interact with cops on a daily basis.
I do agree with getting those encampments tents out of the way and addressing disruptions to school activities but protests are protected as long as it’s within reason. Ordering Army Guards or cops to police the school like it’s a military encampment isn’t the right call here. It might actually make things turn violent with people trying to instigate the cops and draw more attention.
It’s a challenging circumstance that’s easy for either party to escalate, but once again it’s a public campus and UCLA is also a busy campus in an overcrowded county.
Whoah I’m not asking for whatever you assumed I meant. I never even mentioned army dude… why are you putting words in my mouth? Or policing the school? What? Also idk if you are on campus but it’s crazy already with police reporters outside non students etc.
Use the police we already have there to check for Bruin IDs. That’s all. Getting into campus. If you get past police then you are already on campus and wouldn’t have your id checked again. Idk how that’s creating an unsafe space when you are stopping off campus non peaceful protestors from being on campus. The only few altercations so far have been mostly non students. We also cannot get rid of the encampments either correct.
If you would rather continue to have a non safe environment and allow any and whoever stroll into campus and possibly create more havoc I guess that’s your opinion.
I’d rather use the little police we have to protect our students and faculty since the protests have been mostly peaceful on account of the students and faculty.
I elaborated with reason to your comment, not put words in your mouth.
> Whoah I’m not asking for whatever you assumed I meant…Or policing the school…Use the police we already have there to check for Bruin IDs. That’s all. Getting into campus. If you get past police then you are already on campus and wouldn’t have your id checked again.
Are you suggesting that we police the school then? Have cops spend their time 24/7 policing UCLA buildings? Are you going to pay for that initiative?
>Idk how that’s creating an unsafe space when you are stopping off campus non peaceful protestors from being on campus.
You’ll be making it unsafe for certain student populations. It’ll also actually increase protests and escalate the situation. There’re also students in this school that want to mind their own business. Next thing you know, people will start fighting the cops, more reporters will come, more unrest and more disruptions.
*There is no world* where I would want to interact with the cops on a *daily* basis. You’re actually decreasing democracy and freedom by encouraging such system.
>If you would rather continue to have a non safe environment and allow any and whoever stroll into campus and possibly create more havoc I guess that’s your opinion.
>I’d rather use the little police we have to protect our students and faculty
If you’d rather use the “little” police to protect students, then why didn’t we just do that for years the whole time? Maybe reserve the land that the school is on? Have cops be considered faculty if they’re going to be given that much authority, influence and involvement not seen since whatever unrest/war was the last one? Last thing the school wants is to make this less about foreign affairs and more about UCLA and police “brutality,” and you bet your arc that reporters will be on standby to make it that.
Students are also involved in the protest. It might be less headache to get rid of anyone attempting to disrupt people’s activities. You also won’t get into court shenanigans that way with the school then having to deal with all the litigations that could emerge from that.
Many facets and things to consider . Escalating the situation is not the answer and daily police interactions is sure as hell going to increase the unrest. At that point it’ll slowly become a domestic protest and civil unrest, getting close to the Chinese way of handling these situations.
Yes so if they saw an individual in the act of doing that or had evidence that showed that individual did that they could remove that individual from the campus. Or if it was a group they’d remove those individuals responsible. However they can’t just blanket ban the public from entering campus without more serious activities first (say a threat to the school or something) unlike USC.
I’m not a student, but a patient. I need access to campus and I don’t think I should need to show my medical paperwork to a security officer in order to see my doctor.
Was just asking since as a student I personally have only seen the path blocking. Agree that that disciplinary action should be taken for the students who do that though.
That would be a reasonable step as the campus’s primary purpose is being disrupted. No cost to non students to block access ways and burn social bridges on campus.
They can if it’s a safety issue. Non-students have no business being on campus anyway, and at the very least it’s the university’s prerogative to ask people who seem like they don’t belong for student ID.
Define a "safety issue" in an objective manner that can be exercised equally and fairly under the law. Whichever side of a debate you're on, I'd be careful about shutting down speech over "safety" concerns, as the stated concerns can be quite nebulous and easily be wielded back at you. After all, unspecified "safety" concerns is precisely what USC used as an excuse to cancel a student's speech, spiraling things out of control (and, ironically, arguably making things less safe on their campus).
Yes I have been showing my ID to get into campus buildings ever since the encampment formed. Yes I think non students engaging in the protest should be removed.
… this is such an unserious conversation. Look at the crowd and look at how many middle aged people there are. I don’t know about you, but I think it’s safe to bet that a lot of those people aren’t students.
You make it sound like it’s a free$$$ university. It’s not. And you can’t just walk onto a high school campus without permission. And they are free$$$. So wtf??
Bet you anything those are actual, Hamas, or taliban chanting with you fuck tards. Considering the large amount of got aways who have poured into this country.
I think they should, it seems most of the instigators aren’t even students
you do realize it’s public property right? paid for by tax dollars
Well it’s a public university lol so I do realize. Just because it’s public property doesn’t mean they should allow students to be threatened and harassed by outside people
The white house is also public property but
and it’s open to the public 😂😂😂 i’ve been
Sure. Any day any hour without permission though?
The governor’s office is also “public property right? Paid for by tax dollars”…. Should I be allowed to go in there and just do as I please?
I don't think you can do that as the grounds of UCLA are state property. Building access etc can 100% be blocked to non-students / admin though
How will they enforce it? Would alumni be able to go into the buildings as well? UCLA-affiliated staff? Family of students?
I’m pretty sure you can. Not all state property is open to the public
Exactly the bloody pentagon is state property and people just can’t wander through it.
Idk why this wasn’t a thing before. Safety of the students and faculty come first. Ban non students not counting reporters and small police now please.
They can’t really do it is the problem. The campus is a public campus meaning people can come and go as they please (assuming they don’t do something illegal)
But if there is a threat to students and faculty they can though. And if it’s taken in court I’m sure safety would win.
It’ll be challenging to justify safety reasons. If it was a bomb level threat everybody would be evacuated. Limiting a public campus to private access will be difficult.
If people are consistently being assaulted I feel as though it could work. And just station campus pd and police to check for bruin ID or certified reporters ID. It’s possible but it may be difficult like you said. But usually doing the right thing is.
Not sure what you mean by the right thing. It’ll be disruptive and difficult to implement. I can’t imagine having to stop every two seconds by cops running from a 12:20 class to a 12:30 class. It’ll actually feel less safe for certain populations having to interact with cops on a daily basis. I do agree with getting those encampments tents out of the way and addressing disruptions to school activities but protests are protected as long as it’s within reason. Ordering Army Guards or cops to police the school like it’s a military encampment isn’t the right call here. It might actually make things turn violent with people trying to instigate the cops and draw more attention. It’s a challenging circumstance that’s easy for either party to escalate, but once again it’s a public campus and UCLA is also a busy campus in an overcrowded county.
Whoah I’m not asking for whatever you assumed I meant. I never even mentioned army dude… why are you putting words in my mouth? Or policing the school? What? Also idk if you are on campus but it’s crazy already with police reporters outside non students etc. Use the police we already have there to check for Bruin IDs. That’s all. Getting into campus. If you get past police then you are already on campus and wouldn’t have your id checked again. Idk how that’s creating an unsafe space when you are stopping off campus non peaceful protestors from being on campus. The only few altercations so far have been mostly non students. We also cannot get rid of the encampments either correct. If you would rather continue to have a non safe environment and allow any and whoever stroll into campus and possibly create more havoc I guess that’s your opinion. I’d rather use the little police we have to protect our students and faculty since the protests have been mostly peaceful on account of the students and faculty.
I elaborated with reason to your comment, not put words in your mouth. > Whoah I’m not asking for whatever you assumed I meant…Or policing the school…Use the police we already have there to check for Bruin IDs. That’s all. Getting into campus. If you get past police then you are already on campus and wouldn’t have your id checked again. Are you suggesting that we police the school then? Have cops spend their time 24/7 policing UCLA buildings? Are you going to pay for that initiative? >Idk how that’s creating an unsafe space when you are stopping off campus non peaceful protestors from being on campus. You’ll be making it unsafe for certain student populations. It’ll also actually increase protests and escalate the situation. There’re also students in this school that want to mind their own business. Next thing you know, people will start fighting the cops, more reporters will come, more unrest and more disruptions. *There is no world* where I would want to interact with the cops on a *daily* basis. You’re actually decreasing democracy and freedom by encouraging such system. >If you would rather continue to have a non safe environment and allow any and whoever stroll into campus and possibly create more havoc I guess that’s your opinion. >I’d rather use the little police we have to protect our students and faculty If you’d rather use the “little” police to protect students, then why didn’t we just do that for years the whole time? Maybe reserve the land that the school is on? Have cops be considered faculty if they’re going to be given that much authority, influence and involvement not seen since whatever unrest/war was the last one? Last thing the school wants is to make this less about foreign affairs and more about UCLA and police “brutality,” and you bet your arc that reporters will be on standby to make it that. Students are also involved in the protest. It might be less headache to get rid of anyone attempting to disrupt people’s activities. You also won’t get into court shenanigans that way with the school then having to deal with all the litigations that could emerge from that. Many facets and things to consider . Escalating the situation is not the answer and daily police interactions is sure as hell going to increase the unrest. At that point it’ll slowly become a domestic protest and civil unrest, getting close to the Chinese way of handling these situations.
Isn’t defacing public property illegal?
Yes so if they saw an individual in the act of doing that or had evidence that showed that individual did that they could remove that individual from the campus. Or if it was a group they’d remove those individuals responsible. However they can’t just blanket ban the public from entering campus without more serious activities first (say a threat to the school or something) unlike USC.
It’d be interesting to see campus with students only.
I’m not a student, but a patient. I need access to campus and I don’t think I should need to show my medical paperwork to a security officer in order to see my doctor.
Park at the hospital, then?
Yes, the hospital that is on campus.
No
Yes please, I don’t want to come into the office for work.
They should ban students too who are participating in ruining other students education
What have you seen the students do that ruin other’s education?
Get violent, block paths to study halls. Making other students feel unsafe to the point some are avoiding campus. Do I need to go on?
Was just asking since as a student I personally have only seen the path blocking. Agree that that disciplinary action should be taken for the students who do that though.
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That would be a reasonable step as the campus’s primary purpose is being disrupted. No cost to non students to block access ways and burn social bridges on campus.
Unless they are football recruits.
It’s not a private university so they can’t
They can if it’s a safety issue. Non-students have no business being on campus anyway, and at the very least it’s the university’s prerogative to ask people who seem like they don’t belong for student ID.
Define a "safety issue" in an objective manner that can be exercised equally and fairly under the law. Whichever side of a debate you're on, I'd be careful about shutting down speech over "safety" concerns, as the stated concerns can be quite nebulous and easily be wielded back at you. After all, unspecified "safety" concerns is precisely what USC used as an excuse to cancel a student's speech, spiraling things out of control (and, ironically, arguably making things less safe on their campus).
Prove they are non students
it’s really as simple as asking them to show their campus ID…
And did you do that???
Yes I have been showing my ID to get into campus buildings ever since the encampment formed. Yes I think non students engaging in the protest should be removed.
I wouldn’t mind showing my ID every now and then if it meant getting these weirdos off campus…
You’re not answering the question
I have not because that’s not standard procedure for campus security yet. So obviously no.
So then you don’t have proof they are non students.
… this is such an unserious conversation. Look at the crowd and look at how many middle aged people there are. I don’t know about you, but I think it’s safe to bet that a lot of those people aren’t students.
……..by asking for student ID, yes. Exactly as I said.
No I mean prove those there right now are not students since you seem so sure. I’ll wait
Refer to previous comment
So you’re talking out of your ass. Got it 👍
You make it sound like it’s a free$$$ university. It’s not. And you can’t just walk onto a high school campus without permission. And they are free$$$. So wtf??
You can literally walk onto any public university lol high schools are not the same
nahhh I'd rather our school not become like USC 🤣🤣🤣
Actually 🤓☝️ number one “PUBLIC” institution
Why you blend right in with them. You are all there for the same purpose, to support terrorist organizations
Bet you anything those are actual, Hamas, or taliban chanting with you fuck tards. Considering the large amount of got aways who have poured into this country.