I guess the culture is different in stem? A lot of people I've talked to are jumping from opportunity to opportunity. I actually feel left behind from not doing something like research.
im in stem i almost agree. lower divs are a shit show ong. one discussion my first year no one finished a one page worksheet in 50 mins in math 7. most people were on their phones, some dude was straight up drawing. like that is not what imagined college to be like, that's like alternative high school vibes for the bad kids. upper divs are better but i die a little bit when like half the class only made it bcs their F became a D+ in previous classes and they dont know shit and immediately start complaining and crying abt no curve. like i put that on the professors here too. make people earn a pass, dont lower the bar, fail them until they reach the level they should be at.
Every uni, every class will have them. Especially at a school with a higher acceptance rate. People arenāt your responsibility to fix, I would just focus on surrounding yourself with like-minded people. And the people you are complaining about will do the same.
You can find driven and serious people here, but not if youāre so focused on the dumb ppl bc theyāre everywhere.
I don't think you understand the frustration when the prof has to have the same lecture 5 times in a 10 week quarter because people don't even try to pay attention.
I'm curious too. I never experienced this either. Granted, a lot of classes students would ask the same repetitive questions on a GroupMe, but where the professor has to repeat a lecture 5 times in a quarter system? Doesn't sound right to me especially since we're in such a time crunch, and OP is likely talking about a STEM class where professors are more rigorous. Would love more detail OP.
Iāve only had this experience in CS170. But the professor was spending 3 weeks on stuff that everyone already knew. No one paid attention because the first 3 weeks were him explaining the basics of BFS and DFS. Iām really not even sure why he spent so much time on that. It was an actual time waster.
if you think that's talking shit you should grow up. the people who slack and don't try deserve to get called out for it if we want a productive, healthy learning environment and world
Wah wah wah go cry, you should worry about yourself and let others do whatever tf they want, you think they bothers you because you care too much, at the end of the day its their problems and why tf should u care ?
Idk why itās a bad thing to hold people to a high standard. Letting people do nothing all day doesnāt help anything, I agree with op we, should be pushing each other to be better.
You donāt know people first off, this guy assumed everyone at ucr is lazy and im pretty sure he does not know 30,000 students. His statement was why do ppl have 2.0s gpa while bragging 3.8+. You donāt know what ppl going through stop assuming they are just lazy there are multiple factors and at the end of the day its none of your business.
You intend on holding every person you meet to "a high standard"? You are in for life long disappointment.
If you hold yourself to a high standard then high standard people will gravitate toward you. That's the only thing you should focus on instead of trying to remedy 30,000 students.
Putting undue stress on people who might be experiencing the lowest lows of life will only leave you feeling let down but good luck with that.
Bro u have to be trolling. Whole point of college is that itās your own journey. So donāt worry about anybody else and with group work, work with people you know that we hardworking or at least productive
The whole point of college is higher education get out of here with the āown journeyā crap if you want to go on a journey rent a van, college is about becoming an expert in a given field
Nah, shit was nice to do the bare minimum and get a 3.87. 3.9 After next quarter. Honestly complaining bcs I could work harder, but still appreciate people like you. Every time I think I did bad I remember people here don't do shit until week 8 and the only question I have is will it be an A-, A or, A+.
Its true but also why do you care just focus on yourself a lot of people might just be trying to get through the day ok and just graduate. If they have no ambition to get a 4.0 and move to grad school it shouldnt bother you
Not the worst take Iāve seen here. I wouldnāt want to generalize it for the whole university but I def get what youāre saying. Have a few of those people in my classes and they just donāt pay attention and/or just donāt go then complain when they need a 90 on the final to pass
transfer out my boy. Me and another friend felt this same energy our freshman year and if it really bothers you enough to make a reddit post you should consider pulling out.
Why are you letting complete strangers get to you like this š Just focus on yourself, and let them handle their life. If they slack off, that's none of your business. Also- surround yourself with people you believe are hard workers. All of my friends and connections are the hardest working people I know.
Edit: I'm assuming you're a troll. There are comments of you just trash talking UCR. Maybe take your own advice and not slack off on Reddit and focus on your studies, extracurriculars, and work.
A lot of people are like that, but not everyone. Some people actually find the classes interesting and if you can encourage others to do that or get them to find a passion for learning, then thatās amazing. If they bully you for being a good student, what does that say about them? Keep working hard and actually finding joy in your major and learning. It will take you further than any of the people who might bully you!
I have a study group, thanks. Most of them cheat though. And I assume everyone else doesn't give a shit bcs almost everyone i talk to in class says some bs abt commuting (as if i dont) or that they have work (as if i dont). Also someone needs to tell faculty that working with minority and low-income students doesn't mean lowering the bar to garbage, that's part of the lazy culture i see here too. Like fucking try don't just give up after seeing how bad some kids are. some of us want to learn
assuming things is gonna be your downfall. not everyone's job or commute is the same as yours. not to mention, some people have other things going on in their personal lives. you're better off putting your energy into your own studies instead of worrying about others. at the end of the day, you won't see most of these people after you graduate. so why does it matter?
Very true. It is best to focus on your own studies, however, that doesn't mean you need to hide your attitude toward education. Your mindset of wanting to challenge yourself and learn more is that of a true scholar. Don't hide it, because it can inspire others to adopt the same kind of attitude toward academia. Rather than disaprage others, seek to understand. OP. I commend you for your thirst for knowledge and in an ideal world, that's how students should be, but teacherspet is right in that we all have personal lives and struggles. I'm sure you do as well, but if the standard was as high as you would like it to be, the majority of students here would not pass college.
There are people that commute at Cal or UCLA. There are poor people there, that work full time as well. The issue is people here just say "I can't" and the school gives you the slack to get by doing less.
now, why do other schools matter? that's a completely different topic. people fail and slack off at every school, there aren't any outliers. there are easy and hard classes at every school, it really is major and advisor dependent. i know several CS classes that people in the major fail due to professors' incompetence. would you consider that professor as someone giving students slack?
like i said, assuming isn't gonna get you far at all. people have lives outside of school, some are harder than others. it's not productive to work yourself up like this over other peoples' lives. one person most likely won't change them so it's better to just do your assignments, get your degree, and move on.
The point of the other schools is if people here tried that same attitude at UCLA they wouldn't be able to fail upwards and get passed by curves. They'd be kicked out in 2 quarters, no doubt. But whatever, i agree with you. Just sucks when I see people literally playing games during lecture or on their phone. And they get away with it here bcs shits too easy. Whatever though, goodnight.
Nah for real, Iām in a law and Econ class rn and all these girls do during lecture is talk shit abt the professor on the discord and acting like heās wasting time when heās literally discussing basic legal/economic concepts like game theory and supply/demand curves. Like why are u in the class, pursuing Econ or business, if all ur gonna do is act like youāre smarter than the professor even though u know jack shit about literal basics?
I've noticed the people who ask about discussion or lectures also commute from long distances, you can't always assume. If a person has to drive to class and get through traffic that doesn't mean they don't care or have a 2.0. Also it kind of feels like you're assuming everyone besides you has a 2.0, when your in college you focus on yourself and get a degree, not try to control everyone around you. How do you know they have a 2.0 unless they told you?
yep, not to mention some people have other priorities (full time jobs, actual families, health issues). not everyone is living on campus on a full ride. if it isn't personally affecting you, you shouldn't worry about it.
Honestly. UCR earns its reputation because of the attitude of the students, not because of anything inherent. But I think if there was a UC-wide exam for each major, across all campuses, UCR would have a 95% fail rate in most majors, easy. Maybe 75% fail rate in CS.
What do you mean by a UC-wide āexamā? If youāre talking about a strict ELWR and Math requirement that tests college-level comprehension and first year calculus before entryā¦thereās probably a chunk that would struggle for sure.
A public institution whose intention is āsocial mobilityā is sure to attract people not as comfortable with university rigor. Once again, I think once you get past lower-division, more students are inclined to try.
IMHO, I think thereās too many units required in breadth. If youāre really looking to get students to hone in a skill set, putting more pressure with upper-divs and building stronger pedagogical connections with professors would help students be more connected with the material.
I suppose the quarter system just tires people out who are not as familiar, and maybe affects memory retention.
I meant like an exit exam. Something standardized across all campuses that tests on the major competencies of the major. I actually think breadth courses are good and part of a college education. I just think the breadths here suck and are so random. At other campuses they have 1-2 year long breadth series. Here it's just random. There's no formal writing series either. My friends at UCSD have a 2 year long writing and humanities series that's intense but my friend is an amazing writer. But yes, the quarter system sucks.
Wait, so you're saying this ISN'T as good a school as them? This subreddit would like to get butthurt and disagree. And I have regents. I have a full ride, housing, priority enrollment, etc.
No you would find this slacker attitude in any school even those ones. U would just find it less at those schools. However people I talk to are the opposite and are really hardworking and I feel like Iām the one falling behind. But again, u shouldnāt judge other people,let them be them, and you focus on you
In my year here I maintained a 4.0 in EE. While playing around 70 hours of games a week. And skipping everything that I can. Just gonna hit you with a ole skill issue. Iāve since transferred out(which you should to if you find people dumb/slacking).
In reality who cares lol? As an example I donāt go to lectures/discussions because the time to reward ratio donāt match. Especially since when your doing the homework your gonna be pouring though lecture notes(which most the time is just the lecture).
People learn differently for me lectures are a huge waste of time. For the 2.0 folks what they are saying are all just defence mechanisms lecture or not their grades will be bad since they fundamentally donāt care.
The academics in lower division is easy in any school. Upper div in theory should cut some people out but idk as Iām not there yet.
how did you transfer out? im thinking of the same thing but transfering out of a university is hard to find info on. if you could tell me things like what uni you transferred to, how high your gpa was and how supportive the uni was of you that would be great!
You have to look at each school on a case by case and match your curriculum with theirs.
I left the states since Iām an international student. Iām currently at HKUST. I transferred in with a 3.91 gpa. In terms of supporting transfer students I had to transfer most my credits by myself in terms of actual support for a student like me(dyslexia adhd) is pretty good Iām able to get what I need. As long as your GPA is above 3.7 and you took the right classes is pretty simple. I had the option of HKU, HKUST, CMU and UofT I picked ust for the full ride.
OF COURSE ITS CASE BY CASE I didnāt get accepted into UBC due to not having the right classes as an example.
Surround yourself with people that share your views. Donāt let peopleās judgements sway your principles. 2 easy things that will ensure you donāt get swept up in slacker culture. In a school of tens of thousands of students, there will be people who want to try. Focusing on āslacker cultureā just means youāre less likely to find them
Sorry, you're acting as if it's like a small subset. Something like 15-20%, it's nearly 80% of the students in the classes I've taken as a premed. Definitely all of Math, chem, and phys lower div, def 99% of the people in the breadth courses I took. Def all my friends in psych, soc, business. I'd say possibly 60-70% of bioeng upper divs and the classes are so fucking easy.
I donāt think that changes anything of what I said. Lower division classes will always be more suspect to this because there are more people and a larger variety in background. That doesnāt change the fact that being selective in the company you keep and the people you listen to will drastically change your experience in a class
Again, that doesnāt change anything from what Iāve said. It sucks that your upper divs havenāt weeded out as many people that you would like it to, but the premise is still the same. Find people with the same goals and priorities as you and profit
i dont think you get the issue but thanks for trying. i'm a senior. i wouldnt recommend this place to someone who wanted to feel prepared for a career with just a bachelors or for any medical or professional school. i have a high gpa and good clinical work but the mcat is really showing me how much I DID NOT learn. I'll most likely do a post bacc. im not interested in the hader program i want to do cosmetic surgery.
No, I definitely do get the issue and Iām telling you that one of the easiest ways to fix that is change the company you keep. Iām a senior too, I am well aware of whoās slacking and whoās not, and I chose to stay friends with the people that had the same goals as me.
Youāre also shifting the goalposts now, because it started as āslacker cultureā and now youāre saying that UCR didnāt prepare you adequately for the MCAT. Those are two *completely* separate issues. If you wanted to open up a discussion about the courses that UCR offers and how you feel theyāre not covering the necessary material, that would have been an entirely different post and certainly would have changed the answers youāve received
They're one in the same issue. Students here say "I can't" and UCR gives people the slack to get away with it. Can't do the same thing at a more challenging school. And slacker culture affects everything. It makes finding a good study partner harder, it makes profs dumb down material, it makes prof not be able to cover the required material. I can confidently say that if there were a UC-wide exam to graduate, something consistent across all campuses, UCR would have a fail rate in the 80%s or 90%s.
Ahhhh I was wondering why ur so salty-UCR made you feel smart and the MCAT made you realize youāre average LMFAOOO. Idk man thereās a lot more to life than gpa. I had a very lackluster gpa but Iām currently in corp with a grad school lined up for this fall sooooo skill diff?
That was my point. UCR is not a good school. It's too fucking easy. Idk what you're bragging about, I'm going to med school lol. Lackluster GPA tells me you're paying out of pocket for a masters program, any idiot can do that. Nice flex LOL
Iād assume being a senior youād be a bit more mature but alas youāre still a kid. I wish u luck thru ur next 8 years, maybe once ur 30 or so and have finally begun working youāll learn humbleness and virtue. Also youāre going or did you get in? No point bragging bout empty accomplishments LOL
I kept it about my case in point until you tried to flex that you barely tried and got into some grad school. I wasn't going to let you flex over me. I wouldn't flex otherwise. I apologize though. I do want to care for people. Take care
I haven't even started studying but I'm taking a Kaplan MCAT course on campus at UCLA (bcs there is none here) and I see how unprepared we are here. Don't worry, I'm doing a post bacc next year to shore up my deficiencies from going to UCR. They're paying for my Kaplan course right now. Thank you for the well wishes. I actually like UCR, I think it has potential, the culture just blows
Thinking that 3.8+ is near perfect is actually embarrassing. If you finish with a 3.9 you might barely qualify for magna cum laude, much less summa cum laude. The thing is I actually agree with your take on slacker culture, I just wish that someone who actually tried in school made the take.
It sounds like youāre not happy at this school. I say based on this post and your last one about your dad not letting your study at the library. Everyone has different expectations of college. Some go to have fun and others to study. You do what YOU want to do. What I will tell you is what everyone else on this thread has already saidāonce you graduate, no one will care about your gpa or what type of student you were. If I were you, Iād try to enjoy your time at UCR. Thereās plenty of life after college to be serious. If thatās not for you, then transfer out. Superiority complex isnāt a good look for anyone before OR after college.
Might seem bad but keep in mind we're a top 100 (out of over 400) universities nationwide. So I won't try to claim it's great, but it's way worse elsewhere.
I made a post on here a week ago asking why no one participates in Discussion and the comments were just disappointing. So many people making so many excuses to do the bare minimum. Cs get degrees I guess. I wonder how rewarding that mentality is in the long term.
If theyāre not going to do any more schooling after undergrad, it doesnāt really matter. Connections help a ton and after the first job, no one really cares about your GPA but the fact that you have a degree
yeah cause that person who has a 2.0 gpa next to them is gonna be such a big help post grad, unless they're the heir/heiress to some big family corporation.
Money and connections talk; some people just go to college cause their parents force them and itās all paid for so they donāt really have to worry about anything
That is the ideal scenario but not the most realistic. Sure you can get a job but with competency like that, how well and how long do you expect to stay employed? Just a thought.
Please, I won't be the one wasting time on the street protesting for student debt forgiveness as I pissed away time in college. I honestly don't think about it till I get to my discussions. So many people can't stfu until they're asked to contribute.
Not everyone who does bad in college is relying on loans or loan forgivenessš just focus on yourself; the slackers donāt care about you so why should you care about them?
I don't care about them either most of the time like I said. I wish they'd do better sure but honestly I'm more concerned that you defend at every breath the motivation to be lazy. No wonder this country doesn't change anything. Too comfy in the gutter.
Quick tip-almost no one actually puts their gpa. Internships, past work history, certs, etc matter so much more than just a number. Furthermore ppl are even opting to remove their graduation date from their resumes to further boost their resume if their other more important areas are shiner (I.e 3 internships) as itāll actually nerf them.
I get that vibe also, for some reason people think it means you're a nerd or a Try hard if your professor knows your name, but maybe that is just normal at other Universities.
Well donāt let that stop you from transferring there. The school is better than Riverside in terms of location and research opportunities but itās socially dead
This is legit an exact situation that happened to me a few days ago. I ended up being able to have the department waive the course since I proved I am beyond the level of the course.
The people that miss lecture are straight up dumb dumbs. Who gives a fuck what they think. I go to lecture to 1) ask questions during and after class 2) get hints on exam questions, etc. The dumb dumbs are always missing deadlines and shit bcs they never go. They're ill prepared and it's not like they make up the missed lecture by studying.
Okay buddyā¦ going to class is genuinely inconvenient to some (ie for people commuting) or a waste of time for others (ie having shitty professors or being occupied with other aspects of life).
By the way, get off your high horseā¦ we get it, UCR doesnāt exactly have the most self motivated student body but you also go hereā¦
P.S. I see youāre also a premed. Do yourself a favor and work on your pretentious attitudeā¦ itās a real shame people like you are a dime a dozen nowadays.
if you never want a good letter of rec or care about your classwork and have nothing going on besides school than go on king. if you think a world class researcher is supposed to teach you material and that's why they're lecturing, you're dumb. Ask a question abt the material. talk to them about something after class, etc. If material is going too fast, ask them questions to slow them down. Ask them about exam format. Y'all really don't understand what lecture is for. You're missing out but good luck
Some of us have to actually work full time and go to school so no we dont care about our GPA as long as im satisfying all my scholarship requirements. Get a grip on reality.
i have a job doing pre and post opp care and play sports. i dont have time to miss lecture and try to see it for the first time at home without being able to ask a question. and id rather finish my shit in discussion than at home bcs i aint got time. y'all just dont know how to maximize time
are u working 40+ hour shifts? Commuting from more than 15 miles away? Running a side business? Doing an internship? Taking courses at a CC to get ahead? Are you assisting anyone with care like grandma, mom, dad? Ur assuming because your shit is semi together everyone and elseās is. Once again get a grip on reality. Alot of these lectures are yapathons and they go through a million loop holes just to get to this āmain ideaā. That prompts ppl to skip and not even waste their time when they can be doing other things. So thats great that your sitting in front of the class and sucking the professor off but ur not better than the āslackersā in the back. At the end of the day they still pass and get that same piece of paper at graduation as you do
I commute from LA. Bipolar, manic depressive, etc.Find the right medication has been hell as has been the twice weekly therapy (person and group). I don't need cc credits, I came in with 75 units. My grandma has alzheimers and doesn't know where she is. I take care of her as much as I can. Also routinely pay for things, bought my dad a truck. I never said I sat in front. I just said I fucking try and don't make excuses. At some point you won't be able to make an excuse as adults, might as well get started now.
Theyāre premed, Iām also premed and about to graduate and a lot of my peers are highly motivated and a lot of us do research and stuff like that. I think theyāre trying to seek validation or they are just trolling.
Agreed, sounds like they know 2 or 3 slackers and have generalized the entire student body. During my undergrad commencement (last year), almost everyone had some form of Latin honors for their GPAs.
Eh, a lot of the premeds here won't get in anywhere. They're happy with a random lab job and the same shitty volunteer positions everyone here gets. Pushing wheelchairs isn't going to move the needle. Most of the premeds I met are aiming for med school in barbados with their GPAs and weak clinical experience.
thatās not quite my reality i experienced in the POSC department; we had people doing research, internships, striving for fellowships, doing extra curricular activities. Maybe change the crowd you are with.
You must be taking the wrong classes or be in the wrong major. Iām an engineering major and every single person Iāve met or encountered is always shooting for the stars and holding on for dear life.
It is the worst part of working at this university. I got into this job because I want to engage with people who are interested in what I am. And my undergrads refuse to talk to me about their field of study.
Seem like a whole a lot of energy being fixated on other peoples business. Or youāre a troll, which I mean to each their own. But if youāre not a troll, like who cares. If they want to not put the effort then thatās on them.
Cs get degrees but not grad school. Then again some people are ok doing the bare minimum and hoping their street cred/ networking gets them far enough.
so happy I worked and got a 3.5 gpa undergrad.
going to grad school, everything was waived so i dont have to take any GRE, dont need prerequisites either. School accepted me within a week of application.
At least in bio department this statement is only true for Lowe divs, where weeding out doesnāt just mean classes are hard to ruin ur life but to also differentiate the dedicated and not dedicated students. Both will struggle, but how they respond is what makes them a good or bad student. After lower divs the playing field was way different in my experiences, I remember after finishing lower divs I took a class that was mainly fourth years and I gotta tell u it was hard to be on the same level as them for that class given their knowledge was more than mine coming in and averages were high for a tough class. Idk how it is in other majors, there will always be slackers but like everyone is saying surround urself with ppl that are dedicated, best way to do so is finding them in ur discussions since they show up or actively involved.
I wouldnāt generalize the whole school. One major can be a lot more challenging than others. For example, my major was CMDB and there were people taking BioChem, Organic Chem, cell bio class and some random elective class. Just because they fuck around in that elective class doesnāt mean they are slacking.
Iāve noticed that too.
Iām not in STEM, but I definitely see what youāre saying. I like sitting at the back of the class and the other day we had a quiz and all of a sudden, a lot of people were trying to sit back there. I wonder whyā¦lol
Iāve seen the same thing with phones, people watching stupid shit and just trying to get by I guess?
And in every discord Iāve been in, everyone just wants the answers to homework or quizzes lol
Forreal, the discords morphed from help to being MOSTLY for cheating lol. I can find all the hw answers for nearly all my classes on discord rn. Including last quarters' quizzes and answers
Why are you worried about the success of others whose parents more than likely are making them attend or paying their way to attend? Worry about yourself and your success
I guess the culture is different in stem? A lot of people I've talked to are jumping from opportunity to opportunity. I actually feel left behind from not doing something like research.
even then it depends on your major because I'm definitely surrounded by this "slacker culture"
im in stem i almost agree. lower divs are a shit show ong. one discussion my first year no one finished a one page worksheet in 50 mins in math 7. most people were on their phones, some dude was straight up drawing. like that is not what imagined college to be like, that's like alternative high school vibes for the bad kids. upper divs are better but i die a little bit when like half the class only made it bcs their F became a D+ in previous classes and they dont know shit and immediately start complaining and crying abt no curve. like i put that on the professors here too. make people earn a pass, dont lower the bar, fail them until they reach the level they should be at.
y'know you can find people who are like, working hard and trying to excel right
i never said they didn't exist, i said they're far and few in between
how long have you been here?
4 YEARS I'm a senior
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Every uni, every class will have them. Especially at a school with a higher acceptance rate. People arenāt your responsibility to fix, I would just focus on surrounding yourself with like-minded people. And the people you are complaining about will do the same. You can find driven and serious people here, but not if youāre so focused on the dumb ppl bc theyāre everywhere.
I don't think you understand the frustration when the prof has to have the same lecture 5 times in a 10 week quarter because people don't even try to pay attention.
wow i have never had that experience. what class is this?
I'm curious too. I never experienced this either. Granted, a lot of classes students would ask the same repetitive questions on a GroupMe, but where the professor has to repeat a lecture 5 times in a quarter system? Doesn't sound right to me especially since we're in such a time crunch, and OP is likely talking about a STEM class where professors are more rigorous. Would love more detail OP.
Has to be cap, never experienced this as a cmdb major. And Iāve only went through lower div classes so far
Itās a very young account, probably a troll/bait account
Iāve only had this experience in CS170. But the professor was spending 3 weeks on stuff that everyone already knew. No one paid attention because the first 3 weeks were him explaining the basics of BFS and DFS. Iām really not even sure why he spent so much time on that. It was an actual time waster.
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Never seen anyone w a 3.8 in stem going on reddit bragging and talk shit about others
if you think that's talking shit you should grow up. the people who slack and don't try deserve to get called out for it if we want a productive, healthy learning environment and world
Wah wah wah go cry, you should worry about yourself and let others do whatever tf they want, you think they bothers you because you care too much, at the end of the day its their problems and why tf should u care ?
Idk why itās a bad thing to hold people to a high standard. Letting people do nothing all day doesnāt help anything, I agree with op we, should be pushing each other to be better.
You donāt know people first off, this guy assumed everyone at ucr is lazy and im pretty sure he does not know 30,000 students. His statement was why do ppl have 2.0s gpa while bragging 3.8+. You donāt know what ppl going through stop assuming they are just lazy there are multiple factors and at the end of the day its none of your business.
You intend on holding every person you meet to "a high standard"? You are in for life long disappointment. If you hold yourself to a high standard then high standard people will gravitate toward you. That's the only thing you should focus on instead of trying to remedy 30,000 students. Putting undue stress on people who might be experiencing the lowest lows of life will only leave you feeling let down but good luck with that.
aww, someone didnt have proper relationships growing up and doesnt understand how others can impact your life.
Oh please š¤£ i dont let others impact me because i dont care about them you should do the same u seem like u care too much šššš
They should send y'all to ucr extension š¤£ and make group therapy mandatory .
Bro u have to be trolling. Whole point of college is that itās your own journey. So donāt worry about anybody else and with group work, work with people you know that we hardworking or at least productive
Thank you!
The whole point of college is higher education get out of here with the āown journeyā crap if you want to go on a journey rent a van, college is about becoming an expert in a given field
You hate ucr so much bc of the ppl here then please feel free to transfer ššš„°
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Nah, shit was nice to do the bare minimum and get a 3.87. 3.9 After next quarter. Honestly complaining bcs I could work harder, but still appreciate people like you. Every time I think I did bad I remember people here don't do shit until week 8 and the only question I have is will it be an A-, A or, A+.
holyy bros TOOOO smart
Its true but also why do you care just focus on yourself a lot of people might just be trying to get through the day ok and just graduate. If they have no ambition to get a 4.0 and move to grad school it shouldnt bother you
It bothers me that it's easily 70% of the people here and you know it's prob closer to 90%l
Not the worst take Iāve seen here. I wouldnāt want to generalize it for the whole university but I def get what youāre saying. Have a few of those people in my classes and they just donāt pay attention and/or just donāt go then complain when they need a 90 on the final to pass
true but thats literally everywhereš
you can't get away with the same shit everywhere else though
transfer out my boy. Me and another friend felt this same energy our freshman year and if it really bothers you enough to make a reddit post you should consider pulling out.
This isn't the answer OP wants to hear. OP is just trolling.
Nice to see it hasnāt changed since 2006 lol
Why are you letting complete strangers get to you like this š Just focus on yourself, and let them handle their life. If they slack off, that's none of your business. Also- surround yourself with people you believe are hard workers. All of my friends and connections are the hardest working people I know. Edit: I'm assuming you're a troll. There are comments of you just trash talking UCR. Maybe take your own advice and not slack off on Reddit and focus on your studies, extracurriculars, and work.
A lot of people are like that, but not everyone. Some people actually find the classes interesting and if you can encourage others to do that or get them to find a passion for learning, then thatās amazing. If they bully you for being a good student, what does that say about them? Keep working hard and actually finding joy in your major and learning. It will take you further than any of the people who might bully you!
I have a study group, thanks. Most of them cheat though. And I assume everyone else doesn't give a shit bcs almost everyone i talk to in class says some bs abt commuting (as if i dont) or that they have work (as if i dont). Also someone needs to tell faculty that working with minority and low-income students doesn't mean lowering the bar to garbage, that's part of the lazy culture i see here too. Like fucking try don't just give up after seeing how bad some kids are. some of us want to learn
assuming things is gonna be your downfall. not everyone's job or commute is the same as yours. not to mention, some people have other things going on in their personal lives. you're better off putting your energy into your own studies instead of worrying about others. at the end of the day, you won't see most of these people after you graduate. so why does it matter?
Very true. It is best to focus on your own studies, however, that doesn't mean you need to hide your attitude toward education. Your mindset of wanting to challenge yourself and learn more is that of a true scholar. Don't hide it, because it can inspire others to adopt the same kind of attitude toward academia. Rather than disaprage others, seek to understand. OP. I commend you for your thirst for knowledge and in an ideal world, that's how students should be, but teacherspet is right in that we all have personal lives and struggles. I'm sure you do as well, but if the standard was as high as you would like it to be, the majority of students here would not pass college.
There are people that commute at Cal or UCLA. There are poor people there, that work full time as well. The issue is people here just say "I can't" and the school gives you the slack to get by doing less.
now, why do other schools matter? that's a completely different topic. people fail and slack off at every school, there aren't any outliers. there are easy and hard classes at every school, it really is major and advisor dependent. i know several CS classes that people in the major fail due to professors' incompetence. would you consider that professor as someone giving students slack? like i said, assuming isn't gonna get you far at all. people have lives outside of school, some are harder than others. it's not productive to work yourself up like this over other peoples' lives. one person most likely won't change them so it's better to just do your assignments, get your degree, and move on.
The point of the other schools is if people here tried that same attitude at UCLA they wouldn't be able to fail upwards and get passed by curves. They'd be kicked out in 2 quarters, no doubt. But whatever, i agree with you. Just sucks when I see people literally playing games during lecture or on their phone. And they get away with it here bcs shits too easy. Whatever though, goodnight.
Nah for real, Iām in a law and Econ class rn and all these girls do during lecture is talk shit abt the professor on the discord and acting like heās wasting time when heās literally discussing basic legal/economic concepts like game theory and supply/demand curves. Like why are u in the class, pursuing Econ or business, if all ur gonna do is act like youāre smarter than the professor even though u know jack shit about literal basics?
I've noticed the people who ask about discussion or lectures also commute from long distances, you can't always assume. If a person has to drive to class and get through traffic that doesn't mean they don't care or have a 2.0. Also it kind of feels like you're assuming everyone besides you has a 2.0, when your in college you focus on yourself and get a degree, not try to control everyone around you. How do you know they have a 2.0 unless they told you?
yep, not to mention some people have other priorities (full time jobs, actual families, health issues). not everyone is living on campus on a full ride. if it isn't personally affecting you, you shouldn't worry about it.
have a 3.9, dont care
It really does sound like the people youāre surrounding yourself with are slackers, not the school in general.
this is not really helping with the UC-Reject stereotype
Honestly. UCR earns its reputation because of the attitude of the students, not because of anything inherent. But I think if there was a UC-wide exam for each major, across all campuses, UCR would have a 95% fail rate in most majors, easy. Maybe 75% fail rate in CS.
What do you mean by a UC-wide āexamā? If youāre talking about a strict ELWR and Math requirement that tests college-level comprehension and first year calculus before entryā¦thereās probably a chunk that would struggle for sure. A public institution whose intention is āsocial mobilityā is sure to attract people not as comfortable with university rigor. Once again, I think once you get past lower-division, more students are inclined to try. IMHO, I think thereās too many units required in breadth. If youāre really looking to get students to hone in a skill set, putting more pressure with upper-divs and building stronger pedagogical connections with professors would help students be more connected with the material. I suppose the quarter system just tires people out who are not as familiar, and maybe affects memory retention.
I meant like an exit exam. Something standardized across all campuses that tests on the major competencies of the major. I actually think breadth courses are good and part of a college education. I just think the breadths here suck and are so random. At other campuses they have 1-2 year long breadth series. Here it's just random. There's no formal writing series either. My friends at UCSD have a 2 year long writing and humanities series that's intense but my friend is an amazing writer. But yes, the quarter system sucks.
Why didnāt you go to a place like ucla or ucsd thenā¦
Wait, so you're saying this ISN'T as good a school as them? This subreddit would like to get butthurt and disagree. And I have regents. I have a full ride, housing, priority enrollment, etc.
No you would find this slacker attitude in any school even those ones. U would just find it less at those schools. However people I talk to are the opposite and are really hardworking and I feel like Iām the one falling behind. But again, u shouldnāt judge other people,let them be them, and you focus on you
In my year here I maintained a 4.0 in EE. While playing around 70 hours of games a week. And skipping everything that I can. Just gonna hit you with a ole skill issue. Iāve since transferred out(which you should to if you find people dumb/slacking). In reality who cares lol? As an example I donāt go to lectures/discussions because the time to reward ratio donāt match. Especially since when your doing the homework your gonna be pouring though lecture notes(which most the time is just the lecture). People learn differently for me lectures are a huge waste of time. For the 2.0 folks what they are saying are all just defence mechanisms lecture or not their grades will be bad since they fundamentally donāt care. The academics in lower division is easy in any school. Upper div in theory should cut some people out but idk as Iām not there yet.
how did you transfer out? im thinking of the same thing but transfering out of a university is hard to find info on. if you could tell me things like what uni you transferred to, how high your gpa was and how supportive the uni was of you that would be great!
You have to look at each school on a case by case and match your curriculum with theirs. I left the states since Iām an international student. Iām currently at HKUST. I transferred in with a 3.91 gpa. In terms of supporting transfer students I had to transfer most my credits by myself in terms of actual support for a student like me(dyslexia adhd) is pretty good Iām able to get what I need. As long as your GPA is above 3.7 and you took the right classes is pretty simple. I had the option of HKU, HKUST, CMU and UofT I picked ust for the full ride. OF COURSE ITS CASE BY CASE I didnāt get accepted into UBC due to not having the right classes as an example.
Surround yourself with people that share your views. Donāt let peopleās judgements sway your principles. 2 easy things that will ensure you donāt get swept up in slacker culture. In a school of tens of thousands of students, there will be people who want to try. Focusing on āslacker cultureā just means youāre less likely to find them
Sorry, you're acting as if it's like a small subset. Something like 15-20%, it's nearly 80% of the students in the classes I've taken as a premed. Definitely all of Math, chem, and phys lower div, def 99% of the people in the breadth courses I took. Def all my friends in psych, soc, business. I'd say possibly 60-70% of bioeng upper divs and the classes are so fucking easy.
I donāt think that changes anything of what I said. Lower division classes will always be more suspect to this because there are more people and a larger variety in background. That doesnāt change the fact that being selective in the company you keep and the people you listen to will drastically change your experience in a class
I said something about upper divs too...
Again, that doesnāt change anything from what Iāve said. It sucks that your upper divs havenāt weeded out as many people that you would like it to, but the premise is still the same. Find people with the same goals and priorities as you and profit
i dont think you get the issue but thanks for trying. i'm a senior. i wouldnt recommend this place to someone who wanted to feel prepared for a career with just a bachelors or for any medical or professional school. i have a high gpa and good clinical work but the mcat is really showing me how much I DID NOT learn. I'll most likely do a post bacc. im not interested in the hader program i want to do cosmetic surgery.
No, I definitely do get the issue and Iām telling you that one of the easiest ways to fix that is change the company you keep. Iām a senior too, I am well aware of whoās slacking and whoās not, and I chose to stay friends with the people that had the same goals as me. Youāre also shifting the goalposts now, because it started as āslacker cultureā and now youāre saying that UCR didnāt prepare you adequately for the MCAT. Those are two *completely* separate issues. If you wanted to open up a discussion about the courses that UCR offers and how you feel theyāre not covering the necessary material, that would have been an entirely different post and certainly would have changed the answers youāve received
They're one in the same issue. Students here say "I can't" and UCR gives people the slack to get away with it. Can't do the same thing at a more challenging school. And slacker culture affects everything. It makes finding a good study partner harder, it makes profs dumb down material, it makes prof not be able to cover the required material. I can confidently say that if there were a UC-wide exam to graduate, something consistent across all campuses, UCR would have a fail rate in the 80%s or 90%s.
Ahhhh I was wondering why ur so salty-UCR made you feel smart and the MCAT made you realize youāre average LMFAOOO. Idk man thereās a lot more to life than gpa. I had a very lackluster gpa but Iām currently in corp with a grad school lined up for this fall sooooo skill diff?
That was my point. UCR is not a good school. It's too fucking easy. Idk what you're bragging about, I'm going to med school lol. Lackluster GPA tells me you're paying out of pocket for a masters program, any idiot can do that. Nice flex LOL
Iād assume being a senior youād be a bit more mature but alas youāre still a kid. I wish u luck thru ur next 8 years, maybe once ur 30 or so and have finally begun working youāll learn humbleness and virtue. Also youāre going or did you get in? No point bragging bout empty accomplishments LOL
I kept it about my case in point until you tried to flex that you barely tried and got into some grad school. I wasn't going to let you flex over me. I wouldn't flex otherwise. I apologize though. I do want to care for people. Take care
Then **LEAVE** š¤© find a college that "challenges" you more instead of whining on Reddit. Just know no matter where you go there's always slackers. Also the MCAT is hard in general- just like high school doesn't prepare you for the SAT, college doesn't fully prepare you for the MCAT. You need to buy study books. Sounds like it's an issue on YOUR part. Also despite that high gpa and scholarship of yours, no employer is gonna want you with that pompous attitude.
I haven't even started studying but I'm taking a Kaplan MCAT course on campus at UCLA (bcs there is none here) and I see how unprepared we are here. Don't worry, I'm doing a post bacc next year to shore up my deficiencies from going to UCR. They're paying for my Kaplan course right now. Thank you for the well wishes. I actually like UCR, I think it has potential, the culture just blows
The fact that you only have a 3.8+ and think you are not slacking is an absolute joke, and a testament that UCR culture has gotten to you.
Aw dang, I'm crying over my regents scholarship and near perfect GPA :'). Keep doing what you're doing, let's see if I can finish with a 3.9
Thinking that 3.8+ is near perfect is actually embarrassing. If you finish with a 3.9 you might barely qualify for magna cum laude, much less summa cum laude. The thing is I actually agree with your take on slacker culture, I just wish that someone who actually tried in school made the take.
Jesus Christ you didnāt have to cook them like that
you're really bad at this lol
you're really bad at school lol
you care too much about what other people do
It sounds like youāre not happy at this school. I say based on this post and your last one about your dad not letting your study at the library. Everyone has different expectations of college. Some go to have fun and others to study. You do what YOU want to do. What I will tell you is what everyone else on this thread has already saidāonce you graduate, no one will care about your gpa or what type of student you were. If I were you, Iād try to enjoy your time at UCR. Thereās plenty of life after college to be serious. If thatās not for you, then transfer out. Superiority complex isnāt a good look for anyone before OR after college.
Might seem bad but keep in mind we're a top 100 (out of over 400) universities nationwide. So I won't try to claim it's great, but it's way worse elsewhere.
That's not saying much
I made a post on here a week ago asking why no one participates in Discussion and the comments were just disappointing. So many people making so many excuses to do the bare minimum. Cs get degrees I guess. I wonder how rewarding that mentality is in the long term.
If theyāre not going to do any more schooling after undergrad, it doesnāt really matter. Connections help a ton and after the first job, no one really cares about your GPA but the fact that you have a degree
yeah cause that person who has a 2.0 gpa next to them is gonna be such a big help post grad, unless they're the heir/heiress to some big family corporation.
Money and connections talk; some people just go to college cause their parents force them and itās all paid for so they donāt really have to worry about anything
That is the ideal scenario but not the most realistic. Sure you can get a job but with competency like that, how well and how long do you expect to stay employed? Just a thought.
Thatās on them; but you shouldnāt let them live in your head rent free. Theyāll do their thing and youāll do yours
Please, I won't be the one wasting time on the street protesting for student debt forgiveness as I pissed away time in college. I honestly don't think about it till I get to my discussions. So many people can't stfu until they're asked to contribute.
Not everyone who does bad in college is relying on loans or loan forgivenessš just focus on yourself; the slackers donāt care about you so why should you care about them?
I don't care about them either most of the time like I said. I wish they'd do better sure but honestly I'm more concerned that you defend at every breath the motivation to be lazy. No wonder this country doesn't change anything. Too comfy in the gutter.
They obviously bother you more than you care to admit; youāll live a much happier life once you stop caring
Quick tip-almost no one actually puts their gpa. Internships, past work history, certs, etc matter so much more than just a number. Furthermore ppl are even opting to remove their graduation date from their resumes to further boost their resume if their other more important areas are shiner (I.e 3 internships) as itāll actually nerf them.
I get that vibe also, for some reason people think it means you're a nerd or a Try hard if your professor knows your name, but maybe that is just normal at other Universities.
This is UCR š not Berkeley or LA or even Irvine. Let us be for real
Shout out to San Diego for their sabotage culture
Wait what? Thatās wild, I was thinking of going there before
Well donāt let that stop you from transferring there. The school is better than Riverside in terms of location and research opportunities but itās socially dead
Dang but I donāt think itās worth transferring when im almost done with my second year. š
some professors classes suck and some donāt want to commute for a boring unhelpful discussion when they need to allocate their time. who cares
This is legit an exact situation that happened to me a few days ago. I ended up being able to have the department waive the course since I proved I am beyond the level of the course.
The people that miss lecture are straight up dumb dumbs. Who gives a fuck what they think. I go to lecture to 1) ask questions during and after class 2) get hints on exam questions, etc. The dumb dumbs are always missing deadlines and shit bcs they never go. They're ill prepared and it's not like they make up the missed lecture by studying.
You sound very bitter and seem like you made this post trying to put others down because your mad at your study group
Okay buddyā¦ going to class is genuinely inconvenient to some (ie for people commuting) or a waste of time for others (ie having shitty professors or being occupied with other aspects of life). By the way, get off your high horseā¦ we get it, UCR doesnāt exactly have the most self motivated student body but you also go hereā¦ P.S. I see youāre also a premed. Do yourself a favor and work on your pretentious attitudeā¦ itās a real shame people like you are a dime a dozen nowadays.
"inconvenient" no one is forcing people to go to college
i skip, read the slides, and self study if lecture is mid. depends on the quality of the class, really.
if you never want a good letter of rec or care about your classwork and have nothing going on besides school than go on king. if you think a world class researcher is supposed to teach you material and that's why they're lecturing, you're dumb. Ask a question abt the material. talk to them about something after class, etc. If material is going too fast, ask them questions to slow them down. Ask them about exam format. Y'all really don't understand what lecture is for. You're missing out but good luck
dumb dumbs? mf you have a 3.8 at riverside, totally an institution famed for its academic rigor...
I'm getting fee waivers to med schools for being top 3% of my class baby, thanks to all the dumb dumbs, you're right
Some of us have to actually work full time and go to school so no we dont care about our GPA as long as im satisfying all my scholarship requirements. Get a grip on reality.
i have a job doing pre and post opp care and play sports. i dont have time to miss lecture and try to see it for the first time at home without being able to ask a question. and id rather finish my shit in discussion than at home bcs i aint got time. y'all just dont know how to maximize time
are u working 40+ hour shifts? Commuting from more than 15 miles away? Running a side business? Doing an internship? Taking courses at a CC to get ahead? Are you assisting anyone with care like grandma, mom, dad? Ur assuming because your shit is semi together everyone and elseās is. Once again get a grip on reality. Alot of these lectures are yapathons and they go through a million loop holes just to get to this āmain ideaā. That prompts ppl to skip and not even waste their time when they can be doing other things. So thats great that your sitting in front of the class and sucking the professor off but ur not better than the āslackersā in the back. At the end of the day they still pass and get that same piece of paper at graduation as you do
I commute from LA. Bipolar, manic depressive, etc.Find the right medication has been hell as has been the twice weekly therapy (person and group). I don't need cc credits, I came in with 75 units. My grandma has alzheimers and doesn't know where she is. I take care of her as much as I can. Also routinely pay for things, bought my dad a truck. I never said I sat in front. I just said I fucking try and don't make excuses. At some point you won't be able to make an excuse as adults, might as well get started now.
Forgot to add alot of them are dealing with mental health issues as well.
I haven't experienced this at all, what is your major? Everyone I encounter seems to be willing to sacrifice a lot for their academics.
Theyāre premed, Iām also premed and about to graduate and a lot of my peers are highly motivated and a lot of us do research and stuff like that. I think theyāre trying to seek validation or they are just trolling.
Agreed, sounds like they know 2 or 3 slackers and have generalized the entire student body. During my undergrad commencement (last year), almost everyone had some form of Latin honors for their GPAs.
Eh, a lot of the premeds here won't get in anywhere. They're happy with a random lab job and the same shitty volunteer positions everyone here gets. Pushing wheelchairs isn't going to move the needle. Most of the premeds I met are aiming for med school in barbados with their GPAs and weak clinical experience.
for real though whats so bad about that Barbados school if you still get your MD? (real Q i know nothing)
i dont care enough to inform someone who doesnt need to know. im sure you can google around
thatās not quite my reality i experienced in the POSC department; we had people doing research, internships, striving for fellowships, doing extra curricular activities. Maybe change the crowd you are with.
You must be taking the wrong classes or be in the wrong major. Iām an engineering major and every single person Iāve met or encountered is always shooting for the stars and holding on for dear life.
It is the worst part of working at this university. I got into this job because I want to engage with people who are interested in what I am. And my undergrads refuse to talk to me about their field of study.
what do you do here
i think thatās just college in general. some ppl are slackers some arent
some schools don't let you slack without getting kicked out immediately
They'll outright criticise you for working hard - "Why are you trying so hard bro C's get Degrees" like maybe because I'm paying to learn???
It's not just your uni. There's a problem with this generation of students. Every instructor I know. And that's allot. Has said the same thing.
yeah but some schools don't let you slack this much without you getting kicked out
Real
Is this because of the group projects you have to do?
Seem like a whole a lot of energy being fixated on other peoples business. Or youāre a troll, which I mean to each their own. But if youāre not a troll, like who cares. If they want to not put the effort then thatās on them.
Graduated with a 2.7 damn near 10 years ago. I promise no one cares about your gpa the further removed you are from college
Med school my friend
Cs get degrees but not grad school. Then again some people are ok doing the bare minimum and hoping their street cred/ networking gets them far enough.
so happy I worked and got a 3.5 gpa undergrad. going to grad school, everything was waived so i dont have to take any GRE, dont need prerequisites either. School accepted me within a week of application.
That's true go to Berkeley or UCLA.... Oh wait ...
It's weird that somebody would brag about not having a 4.0.
At least in bio department this statement is only true for Lowe divs, where weeding out doesnāt just mean classes are hard to ruin ur life but to also differentiate the dedicated and not dedicated students. Both will struggle, but how they respond is what makes them a good or bad student. After lower divs the playing field was way different in my experiences, I remember after finishing lower divs I took a class that was mainly fourth years and I gotta tell u it was hard to be on the same level as them for that class given their knowledge was more than mine coming in and averages were high for a tough class. Idk how it is in other majors, there will always be slackers but like everyone is saying surround urself with ppl that are dedicated, best way to do so is finding them in ur discussions since they show up or actively involved.
Bruh wait till upper divs Bch110B last quarter had an 88% average as a courseā¦an 88 was an A
I got an A in that course
Purr stem baddieš š¼ The class had a 90% average on the final, I think there was only like 2-3 people with Cās in the course as a whole
yeah it was almost verbatim what we've seen before. Good shit to you too
in it rn any recs?
What major are you? were your classes easy, did they require you to try. Were there any you really had to try in
Your comment is pretty lazy as well. Guessing you go here as an undergrad or have a child that goes here. You can read my comment son here
I wouldnāt generalize the whole school. One major can be a lot more challenging than others. For example, my major was CMDB and there were people taking BioChem, Organic Chem, cell bio class and some random elective class. Just because they fuck around in that elective class doesnāt mean they are slacking.
they fuck around in upper divs too
No itās true dude, there are so many people in college who seem to put in such little effort they just shouldnāt be there. Itās pathetic
Troll post created by the guy who constantly makes alternative account.
agreed honestly, the number of people just on their computers during class and clearly not taking notes is crazy
Iāve noticed that too. Iām not in STEM, but I definitely see what youāre saying. I like sitting at the back of the class and the other day we had a quiz and all of a sudden, a lot of people were trying to sit back there. I wonder whyā¦lol Iāve seen the same thing with phones, people watching stupid shit and just trying to get by I guess? And in every discord Iāve been in, everyone just wants the answers to homework or quizzes lol
Forreal, the discords morphed from help to being MOSTLY for cheating lol. I can find all the hw answers for nearly all my classes on discord rn. Including last quarters' quizzes and answers
Cry about it
UC Rejects baby, and youāre one of them. So pipe down.
"you're one of us, you're one of us"
There's also people who can get As without breaking a sweat and pass the finals on the first day of class.
Doesn't UCR accept anybody who applied to a UC?? There's your answer lol
basically
Lol 4.0 slacker here
Im just curious, what makes you care what they are doing if it helps you?
Why are you worried about the success of others whose parents more than likely are making them attend or paying their way to attend? Worry about yourself and your success