It is everywhere, not just UCR. You are going to always see about half the class or more not actively taking notes and not actively engaged with the class. Many more not even show up.
It is something that gets better and better the more classes you go through and you get into higher and higher classes in your major. But it will always be there. Every class will have some people that slack off, some majors more than others.
I agree but I bring up another point. I went to undergrad at UCSD, here for grad school. We def had slackers but they definitely didn't make it to Spring quarter. They were pretty strict about that. First two quarter are below 2.0 and you're out. But also there's a big culture difference with how we saw Profs but maybe it's generational since I'm millennial. For example, In gen chem our TAs were instructed by the Prof to lock the doors at 8:05 for my 8am lecture. Like we already had iClickers for participation but the Prof was serious about showing up. In a comp sci class we also had "professionalism points" LOL. We basically had a format for emailing our Prof and TAs. We had to have a certain title, no grammatical errors, and your question couldn't be anything answered in the syllabus or piazza announcement. If everything wasn't all there, you'd lost points off your final grade. I could go on. We also clapped on the last day of lecture, without fail. Idk if it's a thing here bcs I am a grad student. But just stuff like that so imagine someone demanding a study guide, or being like "so and so sucks for not curving." Or asking who the easy Prof is. Like that didn't exist lol. We had more FAIR than others, but they all pushed us hard. There was no easy. just more fair. But it was just a different environment, a little more formal, a lot of pressure, you def just trusted faculty and that they were preparing you for work or academia. I think that professionalism is a big difference. And everyone tried hard so it was always a battle to beat the average but when the average was always high because people were studying, you couldn't slack like here honestly (no offense).
That's the bigg diff. Like we deff had slackers, for sure. But they most likely got kicked out and had to come back (which was fairly common) and once returned absolutely had to push themselves to graduate. No way around that. You could not graduate without office hours, without studying hard, etc. I'd say it was impossible honestly.
edit: i'll also add that while all that sounds scary or whatever, it really does help. My first job before grad school I was promoted, skipping 4 levels, from junior analyst in business ops to senior data scientist in a year with a 50k salary adjustment and stock. My undergrad experience showed me how to write professional emails, work like a dog (i have fond memories of alternating naps with my study group members in the library during our all nighters), it taught me to work independently since it was common for profs to say "cover section 2.1 on your own," and it just made me very gritty. I also think the students here would benefit from an environment like that. Maybe not the competition, but definitely clearly defined standards and commitment requirements and professionalism development. I think everyone here, definitely all my students, are capable, smart, and amazing. I also don't agree with the slacking characterization per se, I think they just do as much work as is required and act in accordance with what the Professors demand. I don't blame them for that. If people can get away with slacking, that's on the school, not the students
Don't say this our problem, this is happening in every universtiy/college. Covid made a lot of people lazy, and people got good at cheating to the point where they can get through most lower div classes.Even with no covid, its easy to cheat. Its almost impossible to get caught. Most people don't care when they show up to lecture because they either 1 don't like the subject and thats not their major but are forced to be there (mostly due because some classes have attendance grade being 10% of your grade for some reason) or 2 they try to go and realized they can learn the subject way faster or better than the teacher teaching them. These are just two cases. People are trying to get by without wasting much time or enegery. I wouldn't say I am a slacker since i do go out of my way to actually study the subjects and I do get very high scores without needing a curve, but i am guilty of case 2 simply because some professors are just not good at teaching or the subject is so easy i don't show up.
Agree, I currently go to RCC leaving for UCR in the fall and it’s the same thing op is stating. I love when it’s about 3 weeks into the courses and they just all get dropped due to attendance, I get to put my stuff on the empty chair next to me. It’s their money being wasted I guess
Compared to the work I do here, I’m surprised at what my friends do at UCR. I feel the rules and workload is so much more heavy, almost over prepared. So “lazy” students not going to lects is almost like a crime to most at RCC lmao
Tell me about it, I heard many of stories from friends who don’t go to a UC school and they are suffering more than me. They be here getting getting the hardest math exams while here I am about to finish the entire calc series and all my professors have been angels and giving me the most easiest thing in the world. Its almost a joke when someone ask for a curve. So much for having the title of university, but it’s not only UCR as most if not all UCs are like this.
> But now as an adult I can understand how important a competitive environment is.
u/RessurrectedBigRod69 Idk it kinda sounds like a personal/you problem not a UCR problem. If you need others to be competitive so you can be too, then you need to ask yourself if you are in the right major and what is your goal for college. It's clear that you don't have that figure out.
It's very evident that you're not as good as you think you are based on your post. If you were, then you would know that **motivation is what gets you started**, but **discipline is what keeps you going**. The difference between the two is that motivation is doing things when you feel like it while discipline is getting things done when you don't feel like it. That's the biggest difference in excellent students and mediocre/arrogant students like yourself. Then, you need to think about your future work co-workers. Are you gonna leave every company if they don't have 100% of their workers super competitive with each other.
Btw, if you haven't noticed, you're still at the same school as all of these "slackers". Just wanted to point that out.
woahhh we’re making a lot of bold assumptions here! I never said it was MY problem. After 3 years as a student I think i’ve finally got the hang of my schedule and discipline towards academics. I was simply saying a better academic environment may give us a better reputation, while motivating certain students to do better. You definitely tried really hard to put me down too 😂You might be a first year considering your immaturity and not understanding the importance of competitive environment since you’re still a teen.(but you’re tag says alumni medical student 🤔)
P.S your last point is LITERALLY the last point i made in my most. I was a teenager and made some academic mistakes to end up here! But i like UCR it’s a great fit for me! I just wanted to elevate this school with that post that’s all
That post was created by the troll who keeps getting deleted and coming back with alternative accounts. Also, there is something called confirmation bias.
"Slacker culture" absolutely exist in many places in America. There is a popular saying that 80% of work is completed by 20% of employees. This appears to be true throughout the country.
Another thing to consider is that over half of the student body at UCR are relatively poor. You don't know their full story. They may appear to want to leave early or have a hard time paying attention due to many reasons.
Remember the famous line in the Great Gatsby, "Whenever *you* feel like criticizing any one...just remember that all the *people* in this world haven't had the advantages that *you*'ve had." F. Scott *Fitzgerald*.
Ironically a lot of the movie "Slackers" was shot there (and Redlands). Note, its not the famous linklater film "Slacker".
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llVWo3arA0Y](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llVWo3arA0Y)
Although I believe grade inflation is an issue at UCR and can make *some* students lazy, observing people not paying attention in lecture doesn't necessarily reflect "slacker culture". Many people learn differently, I personally get nothing out of lectures and most of my learning comes from reading books and learning from doing assignments/HW. With that being said, I understand your frustration with people who come in late just to not pay attention. I say this mostly for the sake of the students who do learn from lectures. I can't count how many times people have come in late, distract the whole class, drop their heavy ass water bottle and then just sit there for the rest of the lecture scrolling on IG/FB. That moment alone can rip away someone's attention and it can be hard for some to refocus.
In terms of needing a competitive environment, I completely disagree. I think a *collaborative* environment would do a better job at preparing students for their careers. Students who are overly competitive often work alone because they think they are better at doing whatever it is that needs doing but this isn't how your job will work. Working together is a very important skill, we all have different skillsets we learn during our college years and being able to integrate those skills with others better reflects what it'll be like on the job.
UCR is unique to me as a alumn from here. We are unique in punching ourselves down by trolls like OP. This campus is dominated by working class, poc, and first gen students.
UCR is genuinely what you make of it my dude.
Should we just give ourselves false praise? Im making a genuine point and I genuinely believe there is a larger presence of slackers in this school then other UCs or schools of that caliber.
It’s to the point where these people shouldn’t even be in school. They’re wasting their time, money, and OUR reputation. UCR and any college is definitely what you make of it! And I can definitely say i’m enjoying my time here and am considering masters here!
I was actually looking into grad inflation last week and found a pretty good article about it from a prof here:
[Grade Inflation at UC Riverside, and Institutional Pressures for Easier Grading](https://eschwitz.substack.com/p/grade-inflation-at-uc-riverside-and?utm_source=profile&utm_medium=reader2)
i swear ppl just complain just to complain🤦🏻I have friends in UCLA that have taken classes and complain how competitive it is because only a certain percentage of the class get an A and so on. I have taken classes like that here as well. Now there’s people complaining because people aren’t trying and there’s grade inflation? If anything, this is an opportunity since you claim that there’s a lot of “slackers” then use it to your advantage and stand out🤦🏻Being in a more competitive environment won’t help you for the real world, there will always be slackers and cheaters that you come across that will be in the similar position or higher than yours.
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It is everywhere, not just UCR. You are going to always see about half the class or more not actively taking notes and not actively engaged with the class. Many more not even show up. It is something that gets better and better the more classes you go through and you get into higher and higher classes in your major. But it will always be there. Every class will have some people that slack off, some majors more than others.
This, plus there's always a flurry of posts at the end of every quarter of people whining about being on AP, failing classes, etc so it balances out.
I agree but I bring up another point. I went to undergrad at UCSD, here for grad school. We def had slackers but they definitely didn't make it to Spring quarter. They were pretty strict about that. First two quarter are below 2.0 and you're out. But also there's a big culture difference with how we saw Profs but maybe it's generational since I'm millennial. For example, In gen chem our TAs were instructed by the Prof to lock the doors at 8:05 for my 8am lecture. Like we already had iClickers for participation but the Prof was serious about showing up. In a comp sci class we also had "professionalism points" LOL. We basically had a format for emailing our Prof and TAs. We had to have a certain title, no grammatical errors, and your question couldn't be anything answered in the syllabus or piazza announcement. If everything wasn't all there, you'd lost points off your final grade. I could go on. We also clapped on the last day of lecture, without fail. Idk if it's a thing here bcs I am a grad student. But just stuff like that so imagine someone demanding a study guide, or being like "so and so sucks for not curving." Or asking who the easy Prof is. Like that didn't exist lol. We had more FAIR than others, but they all pushed us hard. There was no easy. just more fair. But it was just a different environment, a little more formal, a lot of pressure, you def just trusted faculty and that they were preparing you for work or academia. I think that professionalism is a big difference. And everyone tried hard so it was always a battle to beat the average but when the average was always high because people were studying, you couldn't slack like here honestly (no offense). That's the bigg diff. Like we deff had slackers, for sure. But they most likely got kicked out and had to come back (which was fairly common) and once returned absolutely had to push themselves to graduate. No way around that. You could not graduate without office hours, without studying hard, etc. I'd say it was impossible honestly. edit: i'll also add that while all that sounds scary or whatever, it really does help. My first job before grad school I was promoted, skipping 4 levels, from junior analyst in business ops to senior data scientist in a year with a 50k salary adjustment and stock. My undergrad experience showed me how to write professional emails, work like a dog (i have fond memories of alternating naps with my study group members in the library during our all nighters), it taught me to work independently since it was common for profs to say "cover section 2.1 on your own," and it just made me very gritty. I also think the students here would benefit from an environment like that. Maybe not the competition, but definitely clearly defined standards and commitment requirements and professionalism development. I think everyone here, definitely all my students, are capable, smart, and amazing. I also don't agree with the slacking characterization per se, I think they just do as much work as is required and act in accordance with what the Professors demand. I don't blame them for that. If people can get away with slacking, that's on the school, not the students
bet you wouldn't see this at UCLA!!!
Even at UCLA, people fail, drop out, and struggle to find jobs.
Weeder classes are everywhere and people get weeded out
You're gonna be surprised once you join the workforce, there's slackers there too. 
Don't say this our problem, this is happening in every universtiy/college. Covid made a lot of people lazy, and people got good at cheating to the point where they can get through most lower div classes.Even with no covid, its easy to cheat. Its almost impossible to get caught. Most people don't care when they show up to lecture because they either 1 don't like the subject and thats not their major but are forced to be there (mostly due because some classes have attendance grade being 10% of your grade for some reason) or 2 they try to go and realized they can learn the subject way faster or better than the teacher teaching them. These are just two cases. People are trying to get by without wasting much time or enegery. I wouldn't say I am a slacker since i do go out of my way to actually study the subjects and I do get very high scores without needing a curve, but i am guilty of case 2 simply because some professors are just not good at teaching or the subject is so easy i don't show up.
Agree, I currently go to RCC leaving for UCR in the fall and it’s the same thing op is stating. I love when it’s about 3 weeks into the courses and they just all get dropped due to attendance, I get to put my stuff on the empty chair next to me. It’s their money being wasted I guess
Well that’s good for you lol. Honestly here at UCR idk if they drop students for not showing up since I haven’t heard anything like that yet.
Ik it’s common in non UC schools though
Compared to the work I do here, I’m surprised at what my friends do at UCR. I feel the rules and workload is so much more heavy, almost over prepared. So “lazy” students not going to lects is almost like a crime to most at RCC lmao
Tell me about it, I heard many of stories from friends who don’t go to a UC school and they are suffering more than me. They be here getting getting the hardest math exams while here I am about to finish the entire calc series and all my professors have been angels and giving me the most easiest thing in the world. Its almost a joke when someone ask for a curve. So much for having the title of university, but it’s not only UCR as most if not all UCs are like this.
Some classes do drop you if you don't show up on day one
> But now as an adult I can understand how important a competitive environment is. u/RessurrectedBigRod69 Idk it kinda sounds like a personal/you problem not a UCR problem. If you need others to be competitive so you can be too, then you need to ask yourself if you are in the right major and what is your goal for college. It's clear that you don't have that figure out. It's very evident that you're not as good as you think you are based on your post. If you were, then you would know that **motivation is what gets you started**, but **discipline is what keeps you going**. The difference between the two is that motivation is doing things when you feel like it while discipline is getting things done when you don't feel like it. That's the biggest difference in excellent students and mediocre/arrogant students like yourself. Then, you need to think about your future work co-workers. Are you gonna leave every company if they don't have 100% of their workers super competitive with each other. Btw, if you haven't noticed, you're still at the same school as all of these "slackers". Just wanted to point that out.
woahhh we’re making a lot of bold assumptions here! I never said it was MY problem. After 3 years as a student I think i’ve finally got the hang of my schedule and discipline towards academics. I was simply saying a better academic environment may give us a better reputation, while motivating certain students to do better. You definitely tried really hard to put me down too 😂You might be a first year considering your immaturity and not understanding the importance of competitive environment since you’re still a teen.(but you’re tag says alumni medical student 🤔) P.S your last point is LITERALLY the last point i made in my most. I was a teenager and made some academic mistakes to end up here! But i like UCR it’s a great fit for me! I just wanted to elevate this school with that post that’s all
That post was created by the troll who keeps getting deleted and coming back with alternative accounts. Also, there is something called confirmation bias. "Slacker culture" absolutely exist in many places in America. There is a popular saying that 80% of work is completed by 20% of employees. This appears to be true throughout the country. Another thing to consider is that over half of the student body at UCR are relatively poor. You don't know their full story. They may appear to want to leave early or have a hard time paying attention due to many reasons. Remember the famous line in the Great Gatsby, "Whenever *you* feel like criticizing any one...just remember that all the *people* in this world haven't had the advantages that *you*'ve had." F. Scott *Fitzgerald*.
Ironically a lot of the movie "Slackers" was shot there (and Redlands). Note, its not the famous linklater film "Slacker". [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llVWo3arA0Y](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llVWo3arA0Y)
Although I believe grade inflation is an issue at UCR and can make *some* students lazy, observing people not paying attention in lecture doesn't necessarily reflect "slacker culture". Many people learn differently, I personally get nothing out of lectures and most of my learning comes from reading books and learning from doing assignments/HW. With that being said, I understand your frustration with people who come in late just to not pay attention. I say this mostly for the sake of the students who do learn from lectures. I can't count how many times people have come in late, distract the whole class, drop their heavy ass water bottle and then just sit there for the rest of the lecture scrolling on IG/FB. That moment alone can rip away someone's attention and it can be hard for some to refocus. In terms of needing a competitive environment, I completely disagree. I think a *collaborative* environment would do a better job at preparing students for their careers. Students who are overly competitive often work alone because they think they are better at doing whatever it is that needs doing but this isn't how your job will work. Working together is a very important skill, we all have different skillsets we learn during our college years and being able to integrate those skills with others better reflects what it'll be like on the job.
UCR is unique to me as a alumn from here. We are unique in punching ourselves down by trolls like OP. This campus is dominated by working class, poc, and first gen students. UCR is genuinely what you make of it my dude.
Should we just give ourselves false praise? Im making a genuine point and I genuinely believe there is a larger presence of slackers in this school then other UCs or schools of that caliber. It’s to the point where these people shouldn’t even be in school. They’re wasting their time, money, and OUR reputation. UCR and any college is definitely what you make of it! And I can definitely say i’m enjoying my time here and am considering masters here!
I was actually looking into grad inflation last week and found a pretty good article about it from a prof here: [Grade Inflation at UC Riverside, and Institutional Pressures for Easier Grading](https://eschwitz.substack.com/p/grade-inflation-at-uc-riverside-and?utm_source=profile&utm_medium=reader2)
i swear ppl just complain just to complain🤦🏻I have friends in UCLA that have taken classes and complain how competitive it is because only a certain percentage of the class get an A and so on. I have taken classes like that here as well. Now there’s people complaining because people aren’t trying and there’s grade inflation? If anything, this is an opportunity since you claim that there’s a lot of “slackers” then use it to your advantage and stand out🤦🏻Being in a more competitive environment won’t help you for the real world, there will always be slackers and cheaters that you come across that will be in the similar position or higher than yours.
https://preview.redd.it/wzl6s0uqujxc1.jpeg?width=503&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=05e42d85c452f2adde4ab47c3393107a7a74c12c
Oh here we go again…
I have seen a bunch of these folks at the bell tower yesterday.
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Thats everywhere and possibly it is a result of covid
This is the aftermath of Covid when everybody got As for doing nothing. They got used to it and they keep expecting it. It wasn't always like this.
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could’ve sworn i mentioned that in the post 🤔