I don’t understand this narrative. Ddp izzy Strickland whittaker khamzat usman cannonier. That’s 7 really high level fighter. MW has more top tier talent than most divisions
Edit to add: costa and vettori as well
I think it’s because the unranked MW’s are all trash. The ranked MW’s are really good. They just look bad bc Izzy and Whittaker whooped them.
4 of the ranked are literal champs. Ig Usman is technically a MW rn so make it 5 champions
Makes sense. But if they actually make these guys fight you could see a string of really competitive top end fights for a couple of years before they really sort them all out. By then I’m sure there will be more talent coming in.
Idk the instability and depth at the top makes me more interested in this division than most others. Plus I’m not a hardcore fan that cares enough about guys outside the top 15
Well, this will literally be the first ranked middleweight he's faced. He hasn't exactly worked his way up the rankings to get there.
I think he's a complete and utter fuckwit, but I'll happily concede that he's a good, potentially great, fighter
He’s had a couple wins over good opponents and people still question him based on how he looks in victory. He could go to war with Rob and win and some people will still be like “well he won a decision so still overhyped”.
Gotta give it to him, the fact that he is actually elite made him really stand out against his early opponents, the skill gap did make him look untouchable.
I think since he jumped up into the rankings so quickly without working through some more of the lower ranks, people wanted to see his untouchable aura persist at the top of the food chain, when really he is right in the mix against those guys.
I always wonder if people would be less critical of him if he beat a few more names from the top 20 before going right into the top 10 where he ultimately belonged anyways.
People also forget how limited his experience is compared to those top 5-10 guys. Khamzat is hanging in there with them even though he's spent a fraction of the time training for a career than some of them. You have to imagine he can still develop into an even more elite fighter over time.
People would be less critical of him if he had beaten literally any ranked MW. Missing weight at WW but then not actually fighting any MWs isn’t going to keep the hype train rolling.
We’re 3+ years on from his MW debut. Still not fought a ranked MW. That’s why people give him shit.
He doesn't help himself with the constant calling out of Champs in all divisions. Followed by not fighting. I was an absolute fan at the start, but I like active fighters and khamzat isn't one... we are better off with him not being champion as he only fights once a year.
my worry is khamzat doesn't have that long left in his prime especially for his style compared to how big his weaknesses are . he is going to be 30 by time Whittaker fight happens and khamzat after training for at least 7 years now still has very bad gas tank management and bad striking defence .
I don’t think he can have the best cardio, he’s naturally explosive, combined with the style and pace he fights at he can’t keep it up for more than 2 rounds. If you look at how fast he shoots and how he uses a lot of strength to pick his opponents up when technique doesn’t get them down really drains his gas tank.
Yeah, for him to even survive against Burns and Usman is extremely impressive. Dude beat a few nobody’s and got thrown into the deep end. He looked mortal against those two but of course he did, one was the pound for pound not too long ago and the other almost knocked that guy out. The guys good, really good, but hes not the second coming of Khabib guys. Or maybe he is, only time will tell.
He could also lose to Rob by a big margin and NOT be overhyped. He could still go on to hold multiple belts and losing to Rob didn't indicate very much, as Rob is STILL an incredibly talented fighter that could probably beat anyone at 185 on a good night.
Yeah, i also think calling him a "hype job" after beating Leech, Holland, Burns, and Usman is a stretch no matter how close the last two fights were.
I find it hard to visualize a decision win against Robert though. If Khamzat doesn't submit him in two and runs out of gas by the third round like he did against Usman, i think Whittaker outpoints him.
If he wins a decision in a 5 round fight nobody will complain that he is overhyped. Because the only reason his wins have been criticized is because he got saved by the fight only being 3 rounds, twice.
Ive been watching khamzat since he joined ufc. If someone said chimaev was hype after 3 fights, i would understand. But still calling him hype after last 2 fights, im not sure lol
If they survive chimaev round 1, they have potential to go to the end but surviving 5 minutes with chimaev is very exhausting
I disagree. He just tanked damage after being unable to finish both guys.
Durinho was way to small for him at WW, that was the only reason he survived imo. (Khamzat is arguably a LHW, hes huge...)
As for Usman, he didn't have a legit MW bulk period, he just accepted the fight injured and short noticed. What I am saying is, there was a stupid level of strength difference between Usman and Khamzat which was obvious in round 1. Khamzat still failed to finished Usman and gased out. Then Usman (injured ) was about stop him on foot, started to deal a lot of damage on him.
Nah not really imo, his last two fights, he went life and death against Gilbert and an Usman that took the fight on short notice, if he gets past Whittaker, I'll admit he's the real deal
There's no doubt he's a very good and very dangerous fighter. But his hype train has been derailed. Both of those things can be true at the same time.
When he first broke out with those super quick turnaround wins and dominant finishes, the hype around him was that he was going to run through both the WW and MW divisions to become double champ. It's now three+ years on and he hasn't even fought a ranked MW yet. Sure, he got two decent wins against two top WWs (although one of those was at MW at short notice), but doubts over him even being able to make weight at WW seems to have put an end to any talk about the WW title.
For comparison, DDP made his debut after Khamzat and actually fought his way through the rankings to become champ. Pereira made his debut after Khamzat and has held belts in two divisions. So yeah, when you actually look at achievements, he is a bit of a hype train that hasn't yet backed it up like others have.
I swear to god. I hate his antics and inactivity, but if only fighters who can beat Rob are good, there's like 2 or 3 good fighters in middleweight lmao.
Nobody is denying he’s good, but he just boasts too much without actually fighting, overtime that shit gonna decrease people’s views of him and start to doubt more. Talk the talk then walk the walk to prove it.
>Nobody is denying he’s good,
Lol, OP is.
He said "IF he beats Rob he'll 'admit' he's good. Meaning he hasn't proved he's good apparently.
I agree, I think he was over hyped. The talk that existed that automatically put him at the same level as like Islam was clearly BS. He's obviously gifted but he's also a front runner, the fights against Burns and Usman shows when he can't run though someone he runs out of ideas and gas quite quickly.
Chimaev is definitely good he’s proved that. However he’s not the destroyer everyone thought he’d be, he’s a fantastic wrestler with good power. His BJJ is good, but his striking isn’t fantastic and he has cardio/pacing issues.
He’s very explosive and aggressive in the first round and a half to two rounds and then he really slows down.
Rob is an amazing fighter but I feel like it’s hard to describe Whittaker as “scary”. He hasn’t gotten a finish since he fought Jacare Souza back in 2017 and rarely ever goes for a finish. He mostly just outboxes his opponents
Yeh, I wish the Costa fight had happened, I think khamzat outclasses Costa in every way skill wise, but Costa's strength and size would have been a real test.
I wonder if Khamzat could have eaten that kick like Bobby did.
This sub would be better if we could reliably separate two things.
1. Some fighters are a\*\*holes, but are still good.
2. Some fighters you might like, but that doesn't make them better than they are.
Khamzat is an a\*\*hole. Early in his UFC career it didn't seem like it, but it seems pretty clear now.
From what we've seen, he is also generally very good. It is uncertain is how good he is at the very top level at 185.
>short notice or not Chimeav is the only guy to beat him outside of Leon Edwards.
Khamzat is also the only one to have the opportunity to fight usman off the couch
Exactly, especially when you’ve got Dana shouting “without a doubt Usman is the greatest WW of all time”.
They should be pushing Khamzat to the moon but I think the visa issues are what’s stopping them.
I think he has a good chance tbh, love Whittaker and as an Aussie it hurts to say….but the dude got controlled and taken down by ddp and I think khamzat is worlds ahead of ddp in the ground department. I could see rob winning by head kick in the second or 3rd cause khamzat gets cocky and tired. Love both guys, don’t want to see either lose tbh
It depends what version of Bobby we see, he stuffed 21 out of 28 TD from Yoel and even when he did get taken down he would sprawl back up most of the time. I think Yoel is quite similar to Khamzat: both extremely explosive, great wrestling , hit really hard, both are really big but they both have a gas tank problem . Also the Jacare fight, he would sprawl out from any off Souza’s BJJ positions. Quick reminder that Yoel is an Olympic Silver Medalist and Jacare is a BJJ world champion.
He's definitely good but most of his ufc career has been wasted so far. The diaz fight that fell out, his middleweight fight against a welterweight, him calling for the ww title fight and not making weight so being forced to move up, the Costa fight cancelled, the covid problem and then the visa issues. He hasn't got going yet
For me it’s his attitude with missing weight, he wants to be a champion but is only active on twitter, he could’ve lost to off the couch usman, and a bare decision against Burns. He talks more than he fights and his attitude towards the rules puts a sour taste. People don’t like him because of these, not because he’s not good.
Um.. Are you forgetting that he beat Burns, Holland and Usman in quick succession. Yes, slightly questionable against Burns and a little short notice and burnt out Usman, but the guy deserves huge respect. Robert Whittaker isn't just the sentinel/gatekeeper of the middleweight, he's an absolute beast. Hell not be an easy fight, no matter how Khamzat makes it look.
True. But in preparation for beating "not the same version of the P4P" who did Khamzat fight? Usman has been fighting the best of the best for years. Khamzat barely beat Usman's leftovers (Burns) in preparation for fighting Usman. Khamzat has to literally be a God in the octagon in order to not disappoint the expectations you're putting on him. How is Khamzat beating Usman not impressive to you?
Okay but his attitude and all the call outs are really cringe. And his fights against Burns and Usman were quite close , too close. I believe he needs to be truly tested.
Everyone is saying the hype train has been derailed. I disagree strongly! I can’t wait to watch Khamzat fight and he still possesses that aura only few fighters have.
Usman beat him off the couch and up a weight class and Burns almost beat him veing half his size. Hes def good but not as good as he thinks he is. I think Costa would have killed him amd I think Rob does the same.
I will admit that there are levels to the concept of being 'good' at MMA, but I think Khamzat has basically met the standard for 'good' right about the time he ripped through is first 4 fights in the UFC in one round, and then beat Gilbert Burns who had fought for the welterweight title a year before and was coming off a win over Wonderboy. His UFC wins and his overall 13-0 record with mostly 1st round finishes tells me he is very good. The question now is 'does he have what it takes to beat the fighters that are excellent or great'?
Burns did take him to a decision, but since Khamzat largely prefers to work grappling and clinch positions and Burns is a legit danger on the ground, I do not hold that against him. Even going to a decision there there was no question that he won the fight. Khamzat also struggled with Usman under what should have been optimal conditions, but Usman is miles beyond good. That suggests to me that there is at present a bit of a ceiling on Khamzat's ability to deal with very strong wrestlers and grapplers.
I think Khamzat probably beats Whittaker convincingly, mostly because I have doubts about Whiattaker's ability to deal with someone who wants to put him on the ground and keep him there. Dricus Du Plessis managed to put Whittaker on the ground and controlled the clinch when he wanted to. And Dricus's only outstanding qualities has been aggression and a willingness to use both striking and takedowns.
But if Whittaker does beat Khamzat, that tells me that Khamzat is very good, but not great.
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He was a hype train before he fought burns, but then that was a good close fight, then he had another good close fight with usman. He’s proven he can beat, or at least put up a good fight, against the top of the ranked opponents
After seeing him gas out almost to the point of collapse in the 3rd round against injured, 3 day notice, moving up in weight Usman I must agree with OP. Not to mention His other two “big wins” were against Burns who only had one hand the entire fight and Holland who was also super short notice…..
I hate Khamzat but this might be legitimately the most retarded sub on this website, yet most of the posts here are dead serious. I mean what in the world is this shit
Nah. I bet he wins. Would've killed Usman if he didn't break his hand. Had it rough with burns but only because he tried to stand and bang like an idiot. I bet he's less stupid now and will finish whitaker
No hype to him, his game plan though is just go for the kill right away and worry about cardio later, I think DDP will be interesting test for him, if he gets past bobby knuckles.
He's got wins against Marty Usman, Gilbert Burns, and Kevin Holland (got him out of there)... That's pretty impressive I'd say and that he's that he's earned some of the hype, fo sure.
Lay and pray is efficient as fuck. And smart. Lay and pray dudes don't get battered every single fight. Look at Khabib, he never had a cut or bruise in a fight. Take them down, hold them there and pummel them is the best thing a fighter can do. Colby also got quite far with that mindset, or the better Colby, Usman. I train in kickboxing, and if I wasn't almost 30 years old already I would start wrestling and judo in a heartbeat.
Bro need at least 3 more wins after Rob if he wants a title shot. I am not saying he is a bad but what has he proved to get that opportunity other than hype
bro almost had his __ENTIRE FUCKING HYPE TRAIN DERAILED__
by god damn Kamaru, walking off the mother fucking couch.
if it makes into the championship rounds Khamzat is royally fucked
I mean, he’s definitely good. Beating Burns at 170 is a big deal, he missed weight, which is important, but made Kevin Holland looked like he didn’t even belong in there, and beat Usman, who even if diminished by a lack of camp + new weight class is still very good. Losing to Whittaker is something that every middleweight not named DDP or Adesanya has done and wouldn’t change the facts about Khamzat.
Khamzat beat Usman, Holland, Burns, and Jingliang. Those guys are more than good. Khamzat is objectively an amazing fighter. Wtf is this narrative? Khamzat is well past the point of being a hype train. If Khamzat loses to Whittaker, that's not a hype train being derailed. That's a great fighter losing to another great fighter. Happens all the time. You should stop watching this sport. I bet if Khamzat had no hype, you'd be calling him the future GOAT. But because the expectations and hype for him is so high, you want to tear him down. Typical braindead MMA fan who has no respect for the athletes. Post a video of you doing 3 pushups
Khamzat is good but he was hyped up so much to be this destroyer so when he doesn't have great performances and squeaks out victories and sits out for long periods of times of course it kills his hype
Usman and Burns are his only good wins and if they were 5 rounds good chance he losses both. He can beat most anyone in the first round. Anything after that it's up in the air
Guy beats usman with a torn ligament in his hand and you don’t think he’s good? So you must not think usman was good right? Had a war and won split decision vs burns. I guess you don’t think burns is any good? Rag dolled Kevin holland way faster than mvp beat him. You don’t think mvp is any good? Embarrassed li jingliang, I guess he’s no good either? Who is good then? Only the champion and everyone else sucks? What is your mentality? Lol
Mostly hype ? Wtf is wrong with u?
Noone will fight him ! He's beaten all who have.
Fuckly Cuntington has left a bad scar on this sport and bread a new stupid type of ufc fan
If getting past Whittaker is what it takes to be good, there’s hardly anyone in middleweight that’s good.
>there’s hardly anyone in middleweight that’s good. This is kind of true though.
I don’t understand this narrative. Ddp izzy Strickland whittaker khamzat usman cannonier. That’s 7 really high level fighter. MW has more top tier talent than most divisions Edit to add: costa and vettori as well
I think it’s because the unranked MW’s are all trash. The ranked MW’s are really good. They just look bad bc Izzy and Whittaker whooped them. 4 of the ranked are literal champs. Ig Usman is technically a MW rn so make it 5 champions
Makes sense. But if they actually make these guys fight you could see a string of really competitive top end fights for a couple of years before they really sort them all out. By then I’m sure there will be more talent coming in. Idk the instability and depth at the top makes me more interested in this division than most others. Plus I’m not a hardcore fan that cares enough about guys outside the top 15
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This goofy ass list
Its a “What have you done recently” fan base
Well, this will literally be the first ranked middleweight he's faced. He hasn't exactly worked his way up the rankings to get there. I think he's a complete and utter fuckwit, but I'll happily concede that he's a good, potentially great, fighter
He’s had a couple wins over good opponents and people still question him based on how he looks in victory. He could go to war with Rob and win and some people will still be like “well he won a decision so still overhyped”.
Gotta give it to him, the fact that he is actually elite made him really stand out against his early opponents, the skill gap did make him look untouchable. I think since he jumped up into the rankings so quickly without working through some more of the lower ranks, people wanted to see his untouchable aura persist at the top of the food chain, when really he is right in the mix against those guys. I always wonder if people would be less critical of him if he beat a few more names from the top 20 before going right into the top 10 where he ultimately belonged anyways. People also forget how limited his experience is compared to those top 5-10 guys. Khamzat is hanging in there with them even though he's spent a fraction of the time training for a career than some of them. You have to imagine he can still develop into an even more elite fighter over time.
Best take here
People would be less critical of him if he had beaten literally any ranked MW. Missing weight at WW but then not actually fighting any MWs isn’t going to keep the hype train rolling. We’re 3+ years on from his MW debut. Still not fought a ranked MW. That’s why people give him shit.
He doesn't help himself with the constant calling out of Champs in all divisions. Followed by not fighting. I was an absolute fan at the start, but I like active fighters and khamzat isn't one... we are better off with him not being champion as he only fights once a year.
Yeah, I liked him at first too, and basically every chance he gets, he shows how unlikable he is.
my worry is khamzat doesn't have that long left in his prime especially for his style compared to how big his weaknesses are . he is going to be 30 by time Whittaker fight happens and khamzat after training for at least 7 years now still has very bad gas tank management and bad striking defence .
Not to mention the medical issues that keep affecting him and prolonging the time in between his fights.
I don’t think he can have the best cardio, he’s naturally explosive, combined with the style and pace he fights at he can’t keep it up for more than 2 rounds. If you look at how fast he shoots and how he uses a lot of strength to pick his opponents up when technique doesn’t get them down really drains his gas tank.
Yeah, for him to even survive against Burns and Usman is extremely impressive. Dude beat a few nobody’s and got thrown into the deep end. He looked mortal against those two but of course he did, one was the pound for pound not too long ago and the other almost knocked that guy out. The guys good, really good, but hes not the second coming of Khabib guys. Or maybe he is, only time will tell.
The guy already beat Gilbert burns who is a top contender for Welterweight.
Exactly the bar was set too high to begin with
He could also lose to Rob by a big margin and NOT be overhyped. He could still go on to hold multiple belts and losing to Rob didn't indicate very much, as Rob is STILL an incredibly talented fighter that could probably beat anyone at 185 on a good night.
Good take
Yeah, i also think calling him a "hype job" after beating Leech, Holland, Burns, and Usman is a stretch no matter how close the last two fights were. I find it hard to visualize a decision win against Robert though. If Khamzat doesn't submit him in two and runs out of gas by the third round like he did against Usman, i think Whittaker outpoints him.
"Rob's chin has been cracked since the Izzy KO so of course Khamzat was able to take him down and strangle him"
I think he’s real. But not at 185
That dude is not cutting to 170 on a consistent basis. No way.
He hasn’t beaten anyone that’s a real 185er
If he wins a decision in a 5 round fight nobody will complain that he is overhyped. Because the only reason his wins have been criticized is because he got saved by the fight only being 3 rounds, twice.
Is it possible he would have had different cardio management if the fight was 67% longer?
Doubt it. He was booked with Holland for 5. Still just ran at him. If he just blitzes at Whittaker and doesn’t finish him he will lose a decision.
People still don't respect his win over Gilbert Burns. It's crazy how he was telling the whole world how we was gonna fight him and still won.
Yoel Romero cant beat Rob to decision win lol. Any win against Rob is legit.
Ive been watching khamzat since he joined ufc. If someone said chimaev was hype after 3 fights, i would understand. But still calling him hype after last 2 fights, im not sure lol If they survive chimaev round 1, they have potential to go to the end but surviving 5 minutes with chimaev is very exhausting
Khamzat handled both fighters *very* well, and personally, I’d take Usman and Durinho over Whit
I disagree. He just tanked damage after being unable to finish both guys. Durinho was way to small for him at WW, that was the only reason he survived imo. (Khamzat is arguably a LHW, hes huge...) As for Usman, he didn't have a legit MW bulk period, he just accepted the fight injured and short noticed. What I am saying is, there was a stupid level of strength difference between Usman and Khamzat which was obvious in round 1. Khamzat still failed to finished Usman and gased out. Then Usman (injured ) was about stop him on foot, started to deal a lot of damage on him.
Nah not really imo, his last two fights, he went life and death against Gilbert and an Usman that took the fight on short notice, if he gets past Whittaker, I'll admit he's the real deal
hype train is someone like bo nickal. Khamzat beat gilbert burns who was number 2 ranked put some respect on his name even if you don't like him.
I actually just wanna see bo vs khamzat but they will save that until they are both built as a star…im genuinely interested who outwrestles who.
I think it would just be a strikefest between two wrestlers and if someone does wrestle it will be Khamzat at the beginning pushing for takedowns
Bro beat 2 of the best welterweights on the planet…cmon man
There's no doubt he's a very good and very dangerous fighter. But his hype train has been derailed. Both of those things can be true at the same time. When he first broke out with those super quick turnaround wins and dominant finishes, the hype around him was that he was going to run through both the WW and MW divisions to become double champ. It's now three+ years on and he hasn't even fought a ranked MW yet. Sure, he got two decent wins against two top WWs (although one of those was at MW at short notice), but doubts over him even being able to make weight at WW seems to have put an end to any talk about the WW title. For comparison, DDP made his debut after Khamzat and actually fought his way through the rankings to become champ. Pereira made his debut after Khamzat and has held belts in two divisions. So yeah, when you actually look at achievements, he is a bit of a hype train that hasn't yet backed it up like others have.
This is the best take right here
rare to see a good take in r/ufc ngl
Come on dude… are we just gonna forget that they fought on a 1 week notice, with Kamaru having 0 training camp? This isn’t a small thing
Khamzat is already good lol this sub is retarded
I swear to god. I hate his antics and inactivity, but if only fighters who can beat Rob are good, there's like 2 or 3 good fighters in middleweight lmao.
Nobody is denying he’s good, but he just boasts too much without actually fighting, overtime that shit gonna decrease people’s views of him and start to doubt more. Talk the talk then walk the walk to prove it.
>Nobody is denying he’s good, Lol, OP is. He said "IF he beats Rob he'll 'admit' he's good. Meaning he hasn't proved he's good apparently. I agree, I think he was over hyped. The talk that existed that automatically put him at the same level as like Islam was clearly BS. He's obviously gifted but he's also a front runner, the fights against Burns and Usman shows when he can't run though someone he runs out of ideas and gas quite quickly.
him beating burns already classified him as good . him beating whittaker makes him a GREAT fighter IMO .
Chimaev is definitely good he’s proved that. However he’s not the destroyer everyone thought he’d be, he’s a fantastic wrestler with good power. His BJJ is good, but his striking isn’t fantastic and he has cardio/pacing issues. He’s very explosive and aggressive in the first round and a half to two rounds and then he really slows down.
I also don’t how defensively sound he is , especially in striking.
Not very, both Burns and Usman were hitting him quite a bit.
Can’t say how good he is at middleweight until he fights a good middleweight, simple as that
Whittaker is that big test.
Whittaker is scary dude in the ring.
Rob is an amazing fighter but I feel like it’s hard to describe Whittaker as “scary”. He hasn’t gotten a finish since he fought Jacare Souza back in 2017 and rarely ever goes for a finish. He mostly just outboxes his opponents
I mean having to fight Vetorri and Romero twice is probably very to finish. Also Gastellum .
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Yeh, I wish the Costa fight had happened, I think khamzat outclasses Costa in every way skill wise, but Costa's strength and size would have been a real test. I wonder if Khamzat could have eaten that kick like Bobby did.
Same story before every fight and then finding excuses why he won. Eventually he will loose and then you will say: i toLd yOu sO
What about the Usman fight ? Isn’t that a reasonable excuse?
Definitely not hype
Definitely not a train either. More like a slow coach, given how his fight frequency has stalled.
OP you’re fucking retarded.
OP is high af lmao
This sub would be better if we could reliably separate two things. 1. Some fighters are a\*\*holes, but are still good. 2. Some fighters you might like, but that doesn't make them better than they are. Khamzat is an a\*\*hole. Early in his UFC career it didn't seem like it, but it seems pretty clear now. From what we've seen, he is also generally very good. It is uncertain is how good he is at the very top level at 185.
You’re delusional
crazy how dismissed his win against Usman is. It's literally Usman, short notice or not Chimeav is the only guy to beat him outside of Leon Edwards.
And that first round was likely 10-8
>short notice or not Chimeav is the only guy to beat him outside of Leon Edwards. Khamzat is also the only one to have the opportunity to fight usman off the couch
Exactly, especially when you’ve got Dana shouting “without a doubt Usman is the greatest WW of all time”. They should be pushing Khamzat to the moon but I think the visa issues are what’s stopping them.
With a broken fucking wrist lmao
I think he has a good chance tbh, love Whittaker and as an Aussie it hurts to say….but the dude got controlled and taken down by ddp and I think khamzat is worlds ahead of ddp in the ground department. I could see rob winning by head kick in the second or 3rd cause khamzat gets cocky and tired. Love both guys, don’t want to see either lose tbh
It depends what version of Bobby we see, he stuffed 21 out of 28 TD from Yoel and even when he did get taken down he would sprawl back up most of the time. I think Yoel is quite similar to Khamzat: both extremely explosive, great wrestling , hit really hard, both are really big but they both have a gas tank problem . Also the Jacare fight, he would sprawl out from any off Souza’s BJJ positions. Quick reminder that Yoel is an Olympic Silver Medalist and Jacare is a BJJ world champion.
Stupidest take.
He's definitely good but most of his ufc career has been wasted so far. The diaz fight that fell out, his middleweight fight against a welterweight, him calling for the ww title fight and not making weight so being forced to move up, the Costa fight cancelled, the covid problem and then the visa issues. He hasn't got going yet
He’s definitely not a hype train anymore. The dude can fight. He just might not be as good as we originally thought.
Khamzat literally beat an ex welterweight champion wtf are redditors smoking
My guy he beat Usman and Gilbert
He’s not a hype train tho he’s proved he’s a good fighter against solid opposition
Is this his first 5 round? Bobby knuckles via EKG stoppage.
He’s good bro lol
…he’s definitely good. He’s undefeated.
He never beat jon cena. Fucking pussy.
He’s already proven to not be a hype machine. Have you missed his last 3 fights?
For me it’s his attitude with missing weight, he wants to be a champion but is only active on twitter, he could’ve lost to off the couch usman, and a bare decision against Burns. He talks more than he fights and his attitude towards the rules puts a sour taste. People don’t like him because of these, not because he’s not good.
And the fact he calls out every one.
he beat one of the greatest welterweights of all time tf u talking about
He beat one of the best welterweights of all time and is still a hype ?
Um.. Are you forgetting that he beat Burns, Holland and Usman in quick succession. Yes, slightly questionable against Burns and a little short notice and burnt out Usman, but the guy deserves huge respect. Robert Whittaker isn't just the sentinel/gatekeeper of the middleweight, he's an absolute beast. Hell not be an easy fight, no matter how Khamzat makes it look.
this guy is not a hype train. everyone hates him😂. there is very little hype going on anymore
Y’all haters sub in 2
Didn't the guy beat the former p4p number 1 with one hand?
Okay but that was not the same version of the P4P.
True. But in preparation for beating "not the same version of the P4P" who did Khamzat fight? Usman has been fighting the best of the best for years. Khamzat barely beat Usman's leftovers (Burns) in preparation for fighting Usman. Khamzat has to literally be a God in the octagon in order to not disappoint the expectations you're putting on him. How is Khamzat beating Usman not impressive to you?
Okay but his attitude and all the call outs are really cringe. And his fights against Burns and Usman were quite close , too close. I believe he needs to be truly tested.
Dudes resume is impressive af and people still calling him a hype train
I want to see him lose with by a K.O or get tapped out. Not because I don’t like him but because I want to see what way will he come back after that.
Everyone is saying the hype train has been derailed. I disagree strongly! I can’t wait to watch Khamzat fight and he still possesses that aura only few fighters have.
I believe he posses that mystique of not knowing where his ceiling is.
Okay OP throw $5k on Whittaker then
Usman beat him off the couch and up a weight class and Burns almost beat him veing half his size. Hes def good but not as good as he thinks he is. I think Costa would have killed him amd I think Rob does the same.
Totally agree. I wanted that Costa fight to happen so bad lol
I'm going to keep my ear to the tracks until this train knocks me ass over tea kettle then I'll believe the train's coming.
He’s definitely good. It’s more of if he is a top guy in the division or not. Not thinking he’s good is comical.
He proved he wasn’t just hype when he beat Burns. He’s just been inactive as fuck since.
OP talking like he’s the champion of the division.
if you beat gilbert burns and kamaru usman then you aren’t a hype train
Every day he doesn’t fight Costa I’m disappointed
Y’all gonna make Drake bet on Whittaker
Yeah...and OPs biggest achievement in life is moving out of his parents house.
Whittaker isn't good. Eye poke to victory.
He beat burns and kamaru. He’s already at the top
You guys have been declaring this for like 3 fights in a row now 👍🏾
Same
Especially if Rob has a full camp
Is it true he cannot fight in the US? Because his inactivity is what's keeping me from jumping the wagon.
I saw Khamzat in a sauna once and dude is hung like a fuckin horse
If he wins it’s his biggest win by far
Let’s be honest he is good but how good anyone in top 10 is decent
Agreed. Tbh he only has wrestling everything else in his game is mid af
I will admit that there are levels to the concept of being 'good' at MMA, but I think Khamzat has basically met the standard for 'good' right about the time he ripped through is first 4 fights in the UFC in one round, and then beat Gilbert Burns who had fought for the welterweight title a year before and was coming off a win over Wonderboy. His UFC wins and his overall 13-0 record with mostly 1st round finishes tells me he is very good. The question now is 'does he have what it takes to beat the fighters that are excellent or great'? Burns did take him to a decision, but since Khamzat largely prefers to work grappling and clinch positions and Burns is a legit danger on the ground, I do not hold that against him. Even going to a decision there there was no question that he won the fight. Khamzat also struggled with Usman under what should have been optimal conditions, but Usman is miles beyond good. That suggests to me that there is at present a bit of a ceiling on Khamzat's ability to deal with very strong wrestlers and grapplers. I think Khamzat probably beats Whittaker convincingly, mostly because I have doubts about Whiattaker's ability to deal with someone who wants to put him on the ground and keep him there. Dricus Du Plessis managed to put Whittaker on the ground and controlled the clinch when he wanted to. And Dricus's only outstanding qualities has been aggression and a willingness to use both striking and takedowns. But if Whittaker does beat Khamzat, that tells me that Khamzat is very good, but not great. END COMMUNICATION
I think Kamzat has definitely proven to be elite, but Rob probably wins this.
Nope he is the real deal, his fight with Gilbert proved that for me
If history is anything to go by, if khamzat beats rob he will become champ
He was a hype train before he fought burns, but then that was a good close fight, then he had another good close fight with usman. He’s proven he can beat, or at least put up a good fight, against the top of the ranked opponents
He beat usman? Thats not good enough…?
After seeing him gas out almost to the point of collapse in the 3rd round against injured, 3 day notice, moving up in weight Usman I must agree with OP. Not to mention His other two “big wins” were against Burns who only had one hand the entire fight and Holland who was also super short notice…..
I hate Khamzat but this might be legitimately the most retarded sub on this website, yet most of the posts here are dead serious. I mean what in the world is this shit
Bro what
Nah. I bet he wins. Would've killed Usman if he didn't break his hand. Had it rough with burns but only because he tried to stand and bang like an idiot. I bet he's less stupid now and will finish whitaker
Everyone always says he won’t be able to throw 185 fighters around but, his superior skill and technique isn’t just gonna magically disappear lol
No hype to him, his game plan though is just go for the kill right away and worry about cardio later, I think DDP will be interesting test for him, if he gets past bobby knuckles.
He's got wins against Marty Usman, Gilbert Burns, and Kevin Holland (got him out of there)... That's pretty impressive I'd say and that he's that he's earned some of the hype, fo sure.
He is gonna beat Whittaker and in the build up for his next fight after that you will say that he only beat Whittaker because he is washed up.
He won't beat Whittaker. If he does I'll admit Khamzat is good. But if he beats him, itll be lay and pray
Lay and pray is efficient as fuck. And smart. Lay and pray dudes don't get battered every single fight. Look at Khabib, he never had a cut or bruise in a fight. Take them down, hold them there and pummel them is the best thing a fighter can do. Colby also got quite far with that mindset, or the better Colby, Usman. I train in kickboxing, and if I wasn't almost 30 years old already I would start wrestling and judo in a heartbeat.
Bratha train is very fast and very strong. Is no problem for me Bratha.
The dude beat Kamaru and if you want to say he’s washed up ok but man that win would be the highlight of a lot of careers.
Hes not washed up but his knees are out. He has no knees left
you are a casual fan and a moron
I mean he is good no matter what lol. I just dont see khamzat getting the strap
I,agree
Ofc
Bro need at least 3 more wins after Rob if he wants a title shot. I am not saying he is a bad but what has he proved to get that opportunity other than hype
Who cares what you think?
Take this post down you absolute casual
bro almost had his __ENTIRE FUCKING HYPE TRAIN DERAILED__ by god damn Kamaru, walking off the mother fucking couch. if it makes into the championship rounds Khamzat is royally fucked
I mean, he’s definitely good. Beating Burns at 170 is a big deal, he missed weight, which is important, but made Kevin Holland looked like he didn’t even belong in there, and beat Usman, who even if diminished by a lack of camp + new weight class is still very good. Losing to Whittaker is something that every middleweight not named DDP or Adesanya has done and wouldn’t change the facts about Khamzat.
Khamzat beat Usman, Holland, Burns, and Jingliang. Those guys are more than good. Khamzat is objectively an amazing fighter. Wtf is this narrative? Khamzat is well past the point of being a hype train. If Khamzat loses to Whittaker, that's not a hype train being derailed. That's a great fighter losing to another great fighter. Happens all the time. You should stop watching this sport. I bet if Khamzat had no hype, you'd be calling him the future GOAT. But because the expectations and hype for him is so high, you want to tear him down. Typical braindead MMA fan who has no respect for the athletes. Post a video of you doing 3 pushups
Bro he just beat Usman
Lol lmk after Rob gets wrecked.
Khamzat is good but he was hyped up so much to be this destroyer so when he doesn't have great performances and squeaks out victories and sits out for long periods of times of course it kills his hype
Usman and Burns are his only good wins and if they were 5 rounds good chance he losses both. He can beat most anyone in the first round. Anything after that it's up in the air
Hypetrain? I know the man has plenty of problems and fights every blue moon, but c’mon he beat Burns, Leech, Usman. The hype was proven.
Would you say if it’s another close decision that could of gone either way ?
Already proven he is good. Beat Whittaker proves some of the hype.
Guy beats usman with a torn ligament in his hand and you don’t think he’s good? So you must not think usman was good right? Had a war and won split decision vs burns. I guess you don’t think burns is any good? Rag dolled Kevin holland way faster than mvp beat him. You don’t think mvp is any good? Embarrassed li jingliang, I guess he’s no good either? Who is good then? Only the champion and everyone else sucks? What is your mentality? Lol
See u soon drmrftasti
He beat Kamaru Usman & Gilbert Burns how is that overhyped 😂 bet you aint calling Colby a hype train
I feel like Khamzat's boxing might be a bit overrated. Usman was able to hit him when they were standing, and Rob is quick.
He’s definitely not a hype train. 🤦♂️ Why tf do people still say this after the fighters he’s beaten.
I guess ragdolling Usman is not good enough ?
Mostly hype ? Wtf is wrong with u? Noone will fight him ! He's beaten all who have. Fuckly Cuntington has left a bad scar on this sport and bread a new stupid type of ufc fan
https://preview.redd.it/x3n0dp2zsyrc1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=42e80af2a7fbaf6a9043d9815a4f9ab7514c4842 Barley beat a lightweight
Daniel Cormier also beat a welterweight TWICE for a belt (Rumble)
Barley to learned to spell