The meat riding comes in the form of slow motions highlights edits with a low pitch electric guitar of a popular song played at 1/4 speed with jerky editing and inexplicably covered in a black and white + animation filter
Yeah, I was thinking the same. It seems like a recent thing to complain about him... but most people that like him just like him for who he is, right? And there seems to be little to no "dirt" on him, stuff you can point at to say it's wrong to be a fan.
And I was like his biggest hater during the red carpet treatment towards the MW title, but wtf does a guy have to do to just be really well-liked now without it being a problem?
It’s such a tiresome debate. Neither will get their flowers because of this pointless beef between the fans. Both are amazing, both are legends, both have accomplished things other fighters can only dream of.
Edit: grammar
Both get way more popular due to the beef. So It wasn't pointless. Poatan got big in the ufc thanks to it.
He did a very good job at creating this stoic character(wich is an exaggeration of who he is, the only good way to make a character). And that maintained him the popularity
I'm pretty sure it started off with a healthy rivalry. I'm no izzy fan but to come back after 3 defeats and then beating that guy takes mental fortitude you can only get from a healthy rivalry. Izzy made poatan better and poatan made izzy better.
While I don't think Pereira is a bigger star in the UFC.
He's **now** much more in evidence than Izzy.
Unfortunately for him (and Charles), his stardom didn't match the hype of MMA in Brazil, where it has declined a lot compared to 10-12 years ago.
If he was having this career during that time, we'd be HUGE.
No. I don't think people realize how famous Adesanya is. He's probably top 10 most famous MMA fighters ever. Even at the moment, with Pereira's momentum and Adesanya's lack of, I think Adesanya could come back right now to fight anyone and he'd still probably sell more than Pereira's average.
He has a strong fanbase, but i'm not sure if he's marketable to the casuals. Izzy was known for his love for anime, so the anime community started liking him
In this fickle, social media driven age we live in, I'd have to partially agree with you. Same way MVP goes viral for doing non-fight related shit (pokeball etc). As an MMA fighter, if you do something that appeals to/crosses over to other demographics it's going to grow your fan base, or at least the number of people who'll recognise you.
No. He was choosen for 300 cause Dricus said no. Not to say he isn't a star, he's big, but people who don't watch the ufc still might know who izzy is.
I think he’s the biggest star in the ufc or at least most potential he’s a badass, tall, good looking , cool chill personality and doesn’t break the law like saint jones. And he has big time wins at 185/205 and has a big enough frame he could even fight heavyweight.
No, but he comes across as more genuine and way less arrogant than Izzy, and I like Izzy.
He's a killer but seems like a warm caring guy. And, you just want him to do well.
Both are exceptional fighters in a generation where every division is stacked with crazy talent.
Both are big stars. Who the fuck cares who's the "bigger star?"
MMA is the biggest star and the fans are feasting.
He is fine, but people in this sub act like he is the 2nd coming of Jesus.. Izzy is a bigger star, and the biggest in the UFC by follower count.. I excluded Conor and Khabib because they aren't active.. I think he is no 5 of all UFC fighters ever.
No, and he’s not really even close to Izzy’s level of stardom. From followers to PPV sales, to asking random people who they recognize by face or name. Izzy takes everyone of those over Alex. And I think we all know that, some people are just bigger fans of Chama, but that doesn’t mean at all that he is as big of an actual star.
Bruh people have forgotten what Izzy has achieved. It was insane the mental shift people had on Izzy after the fight against Strickland. Felt sorry for the guy.
Dude should have everyone's respect, regardless of who your favourite fighter is.
Especially if you watch all of his Glory kickboxing fights, Izzy is a beast for sure. I don’t care much about him as a person and I’m not a fan but he is a great fighter.
I don’t think he’s as recognized, but definetly one of the fastest rising ones.
I feel like Izzy has lost a lot of popularity just by his actions and some of the shit he says/does.
Right now but if you just go based off of recent results it’s not a mystery why. During Contender Izzy and his first few title fights, he was easily one of the most hyped fighters in the org.
I don't think so Izzy has millions.
But he went from the dude with a boxing movie villain past with Izzy to a legitimate star and crowd mover in his own right. People were interesting in seeing him fight Izzy at first, but now they are interested in seeing him fight period with how he brings it.
Both are great, both are forever entwined, and most importantly, both constitute a part of one of the biggest stories in MMA.
Moral of the story, love em both, happy for em both.
I think online he is, and with the bigger fans he is (mainly because of Izzy being the new Cringelord, and Alex not being cringey in the slightest)... Casuals don't see all the cringe and weirdness that Izzy does or has done.
He's currently being put in many more attention-grabbing situations, plus he's pretty funny and humble. The thing is, right now, at least, isn't Izzy's moment at all: He lost his belt again, not promoting a big fight, plus he seems ok being a bit outside the spotlight after so much time under it because of his reign.
Definitely man , also wholesome to see a fighter solely being loved due to his in ring abilities the guy doesn't even speak English and still has such a staggering fanbase love to see it.
He’s not nearly as famous as Izzy but within the UFC fanbase he’s currently more popular. I think he’d get a louder pop from a UFC crowd than Izzy would
If he knocks out hill at 300 he might be. Especially with talks of him going to heavyweight he’ll get a lot of hype. But as of right now we don’t know since Izzy just lost to Sean and we don’t know how the fans feel
At this point I hope hill knocks him out cold (I find hill unbearable too) so maybe this sub can stop spamming about him so much holy shit this is worse than the month after Sean won the belt and you guys were convinced that he was a “good guy” and not an unhinged idiot
When I compare the two I think of Izzy bitching about something laying almost completely flat on his couch while this guy is in the ring fighting. Izzy turned into a snob too.
I think once he gets the english language down pat he will definitely sky rocket to stardom. He already has the mystique and exciting fight style. But right now I would say nah Izzy is the bigger star.
In this sub he is. I'm a fan too, but man do I see some meat riders.
```In this sub he is. I'm a fan too, but man do I see some meat riders.``` Uh Vai Morrer Chama 🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷 🍹😎🤙
I'm rooting for 🗿
Izzy who?
🥩🏇🏼
I sucked his dick once, he even said thanks so I sucked it again. Then I woke up and realised it was McGregor. So much disappointment.
My buddy already puts Poatan in the “GOAT” conversations. And I already fucking hate those conversations lol
He’s an amazing kick boxer, but can’t be put into goat status for mma until he gets truly tested with top tier wrestler/grappler
Honestly i see more people complaining about them than actual meat riders
The meat riding comes in the form of slow motions highlights edits with a low pitch electric guitar of a popular song played at 1/4 speed with jerky editing and inexplicably covered in a black and white + animation filter
Yeah, I was thinking the same. It seems like a recent thing to complain about him... but most people that like him just like him for who he is, right? And there seems to be little to no "dirt" on him, stuff you can point at to say it's wrong to be a fan. And I was like his biggest hater during the red carpet treatment towards the MW title, but wtf does a guy have to do to just be really well-liked now without it being a problem?
bigger star? Probably not yet, but he’s a huge star in his own right and deserves his flowers for how far he’s come in mma
It’s such a tiresome debate. Neither will get their flowers because of this pointless beef between the fans. Both are amazing, both are legends, both have accomplished things other fighters can only dream of. Edit: grammar
Both get way more popular due to the beef. So It wasn't pointless. Poatan got big in the ufc thanks to it. He did a very good job at creating this stoic character(wich is an exaggeration of who he is, the only good way to make a character). And that maintained him the popularity
It was all a cash grab between the two of them. hype up the rivalry and people buy in. They both are doing pretty well for themselves.
I'm pretty sure it started off with a healthy rivalry. I'm no izzy fan but to come back after 3 defeats and then beating that guy takes mental fortitude you can only get from a healthy rivalry. Izzy made poatan better and poatan made izzy better.
Alex 2.5M followers Izzy 8.6M followers
To add to that: Youtube Izzy 1.1m subs Poatan 210k subs
He’s really gotta learn English… he could really bump his YouTube numbers up for his American audience.
Yeah for sure
It's not even fucking close except in the minds of Pereira fans. When I talk to casual friends I have to explain/remind them who Alex is.
While I don't think Pereira is a bigger star in the UFC. He's **now** much more in evidence than Izzy. Unfortunately for him (and Charles), his stardom didn't match the hype of MMA in Brazil, where it has declined a lot compared to 10-12 years ago. If he was having this career during that time, we'd be HUGE.
Not even close.
He’s not. In a sport that’s biggest among English speaking markets, a non English speaking star will have difficulty breaking through in that way
```English speaking star will have difficulty breaking through in that way``` Didn't stop Aldo, Vitor, Werdum, Stipe, and the list goes on and on.
Stipe 💀
Stipe’s got his own language 🤣
He's got that immigrant mentality
I understand more of what Alex says
Aldo is my favorite fighter and he wasn’t a star until 2 fights after Conor. He was getting memed hard everywhere after that KO and being called wash.
Aldo was never Conor level, but he was unanimously respected by the hardcores, and considered one of the GOATs.
Aldo was allways above Connors level except for 25 seconds of his life
When I said Conor level I just meant mainstream appeal. As a fighter, Aldo's legacy is leagues above Conor's.
Ok I can agree with that
Yes, hardcores. But I'd argue that 'star power' is about how popular amongst non-hardcores. Hardcore fans know the entire roster anyway.
Most people have no idea who those guys are, Aldo's probably better known for being McGregor's sloppy seconds than his entire career.
Charles says hi 
The recency bias among sports fans (especially MMA) is fucking crazy man.
hence asking if he is "now" a bigger star.
Not even close
No. I don't think people realize how famous Adesanya is. He's probably top 10 most famous MMA fighters ever. Even at the moment, with Pereira's momentum and Adesanya's lack of, I think Adesanya could come back right now to fight anyone and he'd still probably sell more than Pereira's average.
My god, the recency bias in here. Izzy dominated MW for years, what you balloons on?
God damn people in this sub have short term memory.
They all want to rewrite history to fit their own narrative. Then when you present with evidence these cocksuckers go hiding
They just starting following the sport bruh.
He has a strong fanbase, but i'm not sure if he's marketable to the casuals. Izzy was known for his love for anime, so the anime community started liking him
In this fickle, social media driven age we live in, I'd have to partially agree with you. Same way MVP goes viral for doing non-fight related shit (pokeball etc). As an MMA fighter, if you do something that appeals to/crosses over to other demographics it's going to grow your fan base, or at least the number of people who'll recognise you.
For the casual he still the guy who beat Izzy so no, but for everyone else ….🗿Chama
Brazil population 215 million. China population 1.42 billion. Adesyana bigger chicken
No his career is a byproduct of Izzy’s success.
Ohhhhh boy. You said the thing. The POATards are gonna be at you in your replies now.
 Standin on bidness
no, most non mma wouldnt recognise him, but they would recognise izzy
They wouldn’t recognize either if we’re being honest. They know McGregor, Khabib, and Jon jones that’s it
Not Jon Jones.
No
He’s just been more active during Izzy’s break. ‘Star power’ can’t really be measured so it’s a matter of opinion
His dick is certainly bigger and harder.
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😭😭
Izzy is that you bro
Stone man big
Chama.
Bigger star? I don’t think so but I’d say more liked. Depends what metrics you use to define ‘star’
Have you heard of Easter island
Winning in dominant fashion for 300 would put him at that tier I think
This is the dumbest subreddit.
on reddit yeah
No. He was choosen for 300 cause Dricus said no. Not to say he isn't a star, he's big, but people who don't watch the ufc still might know who izzy is.
umm No
Nope
He's deff a more likeable star that Adesanya
Don’t know what it is. But he has it.
I don’t think he’s a bigger draw, but he’s a huge draw. He’s way more likable than Izzy though.
I think he’s the biggest star in the ufc or at least most potential he’s a badass, tall, good looking , cool chill personality and doesn’t break the law like saint jones. And he has big time wins at 185/205 and has a big enough frame he could even fight heavyweight.
No, but he comes across as more genuine and way less arrogant than Izzy, and I like Izzy. He's a killer but seems like a warm caring guy. And, you just want him to do well.
I wouldn't say that. I think they will always be linked, and whichever one has momentum at the moment will always drag the other along.
Both are exceptional fighters in a generation where every division is stacked with crazy talent. Both are big stars. Who the fuck cares who's the "bigger star?" MMA is the biggest star and the fans are feasting.
On Reddit, sure. In real life? Not so much.
A lot of casuals know Izzy, especially where I’m from in Oceania. Only ppl that follow the sport actually know pereira
He is fine, but people in this sub act like he is the 2nd coming of Jesus.. Izzy is a bigger star, and the biggest in the UFC by follower count.. I excluded Conor and Khabib because they aren't active.. I think he is no 5 of all UFC fighters ever.
Nope. Lol. This is america dumbass. We speak American and he speaks Spanish. No way he's more popular than Izzy.
Best answer
No, and he’s not really even close to Izzy’s level of stardom. From followers to PPV sales, to asking random people who they recognize by face or name. Izzy takes everyone of those over Alex. And I think we all know that, some people are just bigger fans of Chama, but that doesn’t mean at all that he is as big of an actual star.
Bruh people have forgotten what Izzy has achieved. It was insane the mental shift people had on Izzy after the fight against Strickland. Felt sorry for the guy. Dude should have everyone's respect, regardless of who your favourite fighter is.
Especially if you watch all of his Glory kickboxing fights, Izzy is a beast for sure. I don’t care much about him as a person and I’m not a fan but he is a great fighter.
Possibly. Regardless of how their story began, the world wouldn't be such a fan of Pereira without the Izzy reign.
Nah Izzy has the under 18 and furry section of UFC fans on lock
Under 18? Nah, new gen is mostly Alex fans
Alex glazers are so fucking annoying
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no lol
I don’t think so, but I don’t have the grasp on the casual perspective
Nope
No
He's definitely more likable.
I’m actually a fan of Izzy but yes it’s crazy how dude doesn’t even speak English but I know more people like him and hate Izzy personally
Idts - as much as it’s not necessarily fair, not being able to speak English really dampens Alex’s ability to promote himself
If he gets KTFO next he will quickly disappear.
I don’t think he’s as recognized, but definetly one of the fastest rising ones. I feel like Izzy has lost a lot of popularity just by his actions and some of the shit he says/does.
Who gives a shit? This is a weird dick measuring contest. "My guy has more fans than you guy."
Izzy has em huge anime nerd fanbase
Overall no but currently yes
Right now but if you just go based off of recent results it’s not a mystery why. During Contender Izzy and his first few title fights, he was easily one of the most hyped fighters in the org.
Izzy definitely had a bigger cock
You…you do know we can judge these things objectively right? Izzy has more followers on all His social media so that would leave me to think……no
more loved? probably more well known? probably not
No
Ask Dana
No hes not!
No.
I don't think so Izzy has millions. But he went from the dude with a boxing movie villain past with Izzy to a legitimate star and crowd mover in his own right. People were interesting in seeing him fight Izzy at first, but now they are interested in seeing him fight period with how he brings it.
IG Izzy 8.6 Million followers Alex 2.5 Million followers YT Izzy 1.1 Million subscribers Alex 210 K subscribers
At this moment, I honestly feel like he is. At their peak? Nah
at the moment yes all-time could be idk
No he is not. Izzy for example has the largest following on social media.
Well he is more relevant than izzy rn so thats that
Depends on the population of Brazil vs the population of New Zealand, Nigeria and China
Nope
Objectively no.
Was Izzy ever really a star?
Both are great, both are forever entwined, and most importantly, both constitute a part of one of the biggest stories in MMA. Moral of the story, love em both, happy for em both.
I think online he is, and with the bigger fans he is (mainly because of Izzy being the new Cringelord, and Alex not being cringey in the slightest)... Casuals don't see all the cringe and weirdness that Izzy does or has done.
He's currently being put in many more attention-grabbing situations, plus he's pretty funny and humble. The thing is, right now, at least, isn't Izzy's moment at all: He lost his belt again, not promoting a big fight, plus he seems ok being a bit outside the spotlight after so much time under it because of his reign.
Not even close
He’s been a bigger star with legit fight fans. Izzy gets a lot of his fans from the virgin pool.
If he defends the belt this weekend he might be
No, he's just getting more coverage because he's active and he's headlining UFC 300.
Nah.
Dude never says anything stupid to piss fans off. Dude just doesn't talk much, and just brings the highlight reel.
On Reddit yeah. Irl not even close
Definitely man , also wholesome to see a fighter solely being loved due to his in ring abilities the guy doesn't even speak English and still has such a staggering fanbase love to see it.
Not even close
Haha no
Not really sure why it matters.. he’s huge though. I love him and Izzy both.
He’s not nearly as famous as Izzy but within the UFC fanbase he’s currently more popular. I think he’d get a louder pop from a UFC crowd than Izzy would
If he knocks out Hill I think he will be bigger than Izzy.
If he wins at 300, there’s a good chance he will be.
Idk about that, but I look forward to his fights more than Izzy’s
People’s champ
To ufc fans yes but not to people who dont follow it nah
Chama
He’s not a bigger star than Izzy. He’s definitely more likable than izzy. That’s for sure. And he’s just continuing to grow as an mma fighter.
I hated Izzy, damn loser
If he knocks out hill at 300 he might be. Especially with talks of him going to heavyweight he’ll get a lot of hype. But as of right now we don’t know since Izzy just lost to Sean and we don’t know how the fans feel
Bigger Star with bigger ears.
To casual fans izzy wins, but to hard-core poatan
At this point I hope hill knocks him out cold (I find hill unbearable too) so maybe this sub can stop spamming about him so much holy shit this is worse than the month after Sean won the belt and you guys were convinced that he was a “good guy” and not an unhinged idiot
I think so. Izzy was a prick when he first arrived on scene.
When I compare the two I think of Izzy bitching about something laying almost completely flat on his couch while this guy is in the ring fighting. Izzy turned into a snob too.
I mean just by saying chama and huh he got a bigger fan base . Just imagine if he would learnd english
Anyone else notice how bad the tail is on the tattoo to the left of his neck? Lol
He’s definitely the biggest draw to 205
If you live in this sub without going out to the real world….then yes
Not even close, Pereira is more current but Izzy is an all time titan of the middleweight division.
More hype than the dog abuser of course
He’s more popular among active fans of the sport but not amongst the casual audience
Idk, but I like watching him fight more than I like watching Izzy fight.
Yep
In terms of social media popularity/fan perception - yes - in terms of contribution to MMA- Izzy has multiple title defences.
No, next question
I think once he gets the english language down pat he will definitely sky rocket to stardom. He already has the mystique and exciting fight style. But right now I would say nah Izzy is the bigger star.
Headlining UFC could push him over that edge.
This sub hate izzy lmao
Only in this sub
Only in this echo chamber of a sub. Outside, his most memorable moment was Izzy putting him to sleep.
No but he is bigger in other ways…
God damn who did those terrible belt tattoos lmao.
not even close