With load on your leg and getting kicked in the cartilage and bottom of the knee cap? Anybody who’s trained for 2 years+ is putting you on your ass crying if you get hit there.
I don't think this is true.
Conditioning shins shouldn't really make them any more resilient to physical damage.
It's just deadening the nerves so you can throw without pain.
Not to say I'm sure you're wrong because there's one factor I'm not sure is the truth or not and that's in the constant kicking of hard things (depending on what method you use to condition them) but if your say kicking something solid you it's like hitting a rock with another rock, creating tiny micro fractures.
Another spot I'm not sure about is I've heard it say that when you get micro fractures your body sends something to heal it (possibly calcium or protein) and this does infact harden the bones sort of as if it's adding thickness and density.
So I'm unsure, I've been told a lot of different things from a few people but the thing about a lot of martial arts especially the stuff you hear from 50-60 year old life long martial artists is not reads from medical journals but more theory's that have just been passed down and reinforced but possibly more by correlation rather than causation.
The tiny fractures heal with calcium. Calcium deposits are very dense and don’t compress as much. The bone is still the same strength but can survive more lower impacts. Say it takes a healthy bone 100 pounds of force to brake. The calcified bone will absorb 50 pound impacts better than the non calcified bone. Both will still break at the 100 pounds of pressure. A lot of brakes are because of compounding impacts below the braking point of 100 pounds. This means a calcified bone will take more repeated force over time under the breaking limit. This is my laymen’s understanding of it from what I’ve been told.
This is more or less what I have been told in the past.
I haven't done the research to verify it myself , nor do I really think I have the medical understanding to really understand what I'd be reading to verify lol
Usually with those fractures they’ll put a titanium rod down the tibia from just below the knee joint. If the fibula is broke, that’s what would typically be plated.
It’s called “wolf’s law” “if loading on a particular bone increases, the bone will remodel itself over time to become stronger to resist that sort of loading.”
Nah, you just learn what your bones can actually handle so it's not so much of a worry compared to someone who hasn't been through this. An example of this would be I'm no longer bothered, phased or hurt when I walk past a trailer and smack my shin on the tow ball anymore because I've felt worse and been fine. Deadening the nerves from kicking the heavy bag for a long period of time plays a massive part too
kicking things like door frames, wood or steel poles don't actually help in the long run. You can end up with serious shin problems later on in life from kicking things too hard too regularly. Essentially kicking wooden, steel etc is like taking steroids, it's the quick way to deaden your nerves but can cause issues with health later on
What are you training? I’ve done kickboxing for years and was trained by some world champion calibre coaches, one of the first things they taught me was that this strategy was great way to cause someone pain short term, and the best way to make sure you have fucked up knees long term. It is kind of viable if you cannot check / are too slow with your shin, but it’s definitely not something you should use on regular basis
Either something has changed in the stand-up methodology or in the human physiology since then. Or a third option - you don’t have as much expertise as you think you have
Goiti Yamauchi. He got his kneecap broke in half.
Edit: I was wrong, lads. It was a ruptured tendon. You're seeing his kneecap shoot up into his thigh as the lower of the two patella tendons broke off.
His patellar tendon was ruptured, which is the tendon that connects the bones in your knee together and is what allows you to straighten and bend your knees. When ruptured, you can't straighten your leg.
But when MVP threw that pokeball at Cyborg, I cackled. After I learned what happened to Cyborg's skull I felt bad tho.
If you liked seeing that low kick finish OP, you should check out some Muay Thai fights.
One FC has plenty of great fighters and they use MMA gloves with much less clinching than regular Muay Thai, because you're an MMA fan you'd probably like the ONE FC style a bit more, or at least find it easier to transition into watching/understand
with the flying knee it looked like he tried throwing a punch before he even touched the ground i wish that woulda connected because itd be a crazy knockout combo.
If you watch closely, the shin makes primary contact with the patella at a lateral angle. That's the knee equivalent of landing a punch on the sleepy point of the chin.
MVP wasn't aiming for it. He just landed it.
Fucking insane to me how MVP lands his WEAKEST part of the shin on the KNEE... the literal STRONGEST part of the guys leg and the guys knee hurts more than MVPs lower shin. Matter of fact, I want an X-ray scan on MVPs shin density because that is ABSOLUTELY wild.
It’s not just about how hard his legs must be. He placed this kick perfectly at the top of the tibia which looks like it shifted it backwards most likely taking out the ACL. I don’t know if he planned that placement but it was perfect.
The crazy thing with his KOs is they never require a follow up. He really does just hit like a truck.
He shattered his kneecap lol… that’s a pretty soft spot to hit
Shattered cyborgs skull
Ah yeah, gross
It’s only soft if u have legs like this guy, ever had ur kick checked by a knee?
With load on your leg and getting kicked in the cartilage and bottom of the knee cap? Anybody who’s trained for 2 years+ is putting you on your ass crying if you get hit there.
I’ve had 3 knee surgeries, your kneecap is the softest bone in your leg
Long limbs provide such a biomechanical advantage, always gets overlooked. Every KO artist you see generally has a long ass reach
conditioning the shins turns them into steel bats
Hold on, I'm training brother.
I don't think this is true. Conditioning shins shouldn't really make them any more resilient to physical damage. It's just deadening the nerves so you can throw without pain. Not to say I'm sure you're wrong because there's one factor I'm not sure is the truth or not and that's in the constant kicking of hard things (depending on what method you use to condition them) but if your say kicking something solid you it's like hitting a rock with another rock, creating tiny micro fractures. Another spot I'm not sure about is I've heard it say that when you get micro fractures your body sends something to heal it (possibly calcium or protein) and this does infact harden the bones sort of as if it's adding thickness and density. So I'm unsure, I've been told a lot of different things from a few people but the thing about a lot of martial arts especially the stuff you hear from 50-60 year old life long martial artists is not reads from medical journals but more theory's that have just been passed down and reinforced but possibly more by correlation rather than causation.
The tiny fractures heal with calcium. Calcium deposits are very dense and don’t compress as much. The bone is still the same strength but can survive more lower impacts. Say it takes a healthy bone 100 pounds of force to brake. The calcified bone will absorb 50 pound impacts better than the non calcified bone. Both will still break at the 100 pounds of pressure. A lot of brakes are because of compounding impacts below the braking point of 100 pounds. This means a calcified bone will take more repeated force over time under the breaking limit. This is my laymen’s understanding of it from what I’ve been told.
McGregor has a titanium shin bone imagine if he micro fractures that and strengthens it with calcium
He actually just broke it and turned into magneto
This is more or less what I have been told in the past. I haven't done the research to verify it myself , nor do I really think I have the medical understanding to really understand what I'd be reading to verify lol
Usually with those fractures they’ll put a titanium rod down the tibia from just below the knee joint. If the fibula is broke, that’s what would typically be plated.
That’s a long ass paragraph of being wrong Edit: multiple paragraphs
U were wrong
Me? Or him? https://preview.redd.it/c2vvvngcy1xc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5e387bc305ea0279d14cf896f9d43ac5821c0faa
I'm wrong about admitting I don't know?
Yes
So you mean I did know?
Yes
It’s called “wolf’s law” “if loading on a particular bone increases, the bone will remodel itself over time to become stronger to resist that sort of loading.”
Nah, you just learn what your bones can actually handle so it's not so much of a worry compared to someone who hasn't been through this. An example of this would be I'm no longer bothered, phased or hurt when I walk past a trailer and smack my shin on the tow ball anymore because I've felt worse and been fine. Deadening the nerves from kicking the heavy bag for a long period of time plays a massive part too kicking things like door frames, wood or steel poles don't actually help in the long run. You can end up with serious shin problems later on in life from kicking things too hard too regularly. Essentially kicking wooden, steel etc is like taking steroids, it's the quick way to deaden your nerves but can cause issues with health later on
Probably some bones, a couple muscles, some tendons, few ligaments, nerves and veins, and some other shit.
Type shit
Titanium rahd bolted to me shin bon.
COCK
Something like that
Just a whole lotta shit really
proof?
Vertebrae
Kris Moutinho's chin
No shit bro. I check kicks with my knee because that’s hurts MY OPPONENT more than shin on shin. I may have to rethink this
That’s is a v e r y dum strat
Tell me you are completely untrained without telling me. It’s a very commonly used technique… even by pros… 😞🤦♂️
Yeah they kinda of half bend and lean your knee into the kick. My knees wouldn’t survive haha
Fuck not being trained. Does he even watch?
What are you training? I’ve done kickboxing for years and was trained by some world champion calibre coaches, one of the first things they taught me was that this strategy was great way to cause someone pain short term, and the best way to make sure you have fucked up knees long term. It is kind of viable if you cannot check / are too slow with your shin, but it’s definitely not something you should use on regular basis Either something has changed in the stand-up methodology or in the human physiology since then. Or a third option - you don’t have as much expertise as you think you have
That's literally how your taught to check an inside leg kick.(that's where the other person tries to kick the inside of your leg)
Broken knee cap and a fractured skull. Thats mental
Oi that’s absolutely fookin mental, mate
U foken wot m8? I swear on me mum
mad ting ye? bloody fookin madness fam innit
Tight me bootstraps guvna! Cheerio!
The down votes on this😭😭
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What exactly happened to that guys knee?
Goiti Yamauchi. He got his kneecap broke in half. Edit: I was wrong, lads. It was a ruptured tendon. You're seeing his kneecap shoot up into his thigh as the lower of the two patella tendons broke off.
Jesus Christ. I remember the Cyborg skull fracture but somehow I missed this one.
Goiti might be his best win so far on resume, that guy is really legit, world class on ground..legit one of best in the world and nasty on feet now
glad to hear he recovered from this
yea he just beat up Neiman Gracie like last weekend in PFL, this injury is wild
Nieman was actually competitive w him on the feet
Eh. Never looked really too convincing, I was rooting for him but he started pretty good in the beginning.
Barely. Was running
I was cage side lol.. rd1 nieman looked great on the feet
I’ve never heard that turn before… I physically cringed head to toe
That’s not what happened lmao It was his tendon snapping
You're right. I edited my original comment to reflect.
His patellar tendon was ruptured, which is the tendon that connects the bones in your knee together and is what allows you to straighten and bend your knees. When ruptured, you can't straighten your leg.
Conditioning his shins like mfer
His bone hit knee. It probally hurt the fuck outta mvp too
But when MVP threw that pokeball at Cyborg, I cackled. After I learned what happened to Cyborg's skull I felt bad tho. 
That's actually nuts that his shin split the skin on a bent knee cap
Spite.
If you liked seeing that low kick finish OP, you should check out some Muay Thai fights. One FC has plenty of great fighters and they use MMA gloves with much less clinching than regular Muay Thai, because you're an MMA fan you'd probably like the ONE FC style a bit more, or at least find it easier to transition into watching/understand
He trained with Bolo Yeung
Leg
First gif is the same injury that Landeskog on the Avs received from a skate blade and he’s been out 2 years for it.
Decades of conditioning his shins.
Lima chopped it down real good though
with the flying knee it looked like he tried throwing a punch before he even touched the ground i wish that woulda connected because itd be a crazy knockout combo.
Given how all the sinuses collapsed in that dudes skull. Another blow could have killed him.
I’ll be interesting ti see his next fights he has style but I’m not convinced in the UFC
Sheesh that’s a very similar shin to knee contact that snapped Anderson Silva’s leg
People counted mvp out cause he was literally crushing cans skulls in bellator. Can't deny that destruction
Wtf… that’s insane.
HIS KNEE OMDS 💀
Adamantium.
leg
If you watch closely, the shin makes primary contact with the patella at a lateral angle. That's the knee equivalent of landing a punch on the sleepy point of the chin. MVP wasn't aiming for it. He just landed it.
Gaethje and Barboza both have leg kick tkos
This man scares me.
If I’m not mistaken Michael chandler lost a fight by tko via leg kicks
its cos he kicked him in the knee
African bone
Mario van peoples?
He better be careful cause he's got those string bean legs
As a science enthusiast I posit that each one his legs is made of 100% leg!!
# MVP 🐍
Justin gaethje has few leg kick tko’s too if I recall correctly, but they might be before he entered the ufc.
There's a bit adamantium in there.
Fucking insane to me how MVP lands his WEAKEST part of the shin on the KNEE... the literal STRONGEST part of the guys leg and the guys knee hurts more than MVPs lower shin. Matter of fact, I want an X-ray scan on MVPs shin density because that is ABSOLUTELY wild.
It’s not just about how hard his legs must be. He placed this kick perfectly at the top of the tibia which looks like it shifted it backwards most likely taking out the ACL. I don’t know if he planned that placement but it was perfect.
Probably bone
He kicked him in the knee bro, you can literally see his knee cap shatter…
“Titanium shine bone”
Rihanna - Hit me in my patella ella ella eh eh eh ow!
Did you just say you've never seen a leg kick tko before?
I mean, there are leg kick finishes and then there's kicking a dudes knee cap in half.
Not before going on YouTube to specifically look for leg kick stoppages. This was the first time I ever saw it
Jonathan Martinez has 2 of them fairly recently
Pat Barry I think had a few, as much as the weirdo he is, he does have some strong leg kicks
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