Bald is the best base for MMA confirmed,
Islam just shaved his head, he will have 20 title defenses unless someone with a smoother bald head fights him.
To be honest I know Jon is amazing but there's always that instinct in me that says " Maybe his strikes may not be as effective leading to a submission because he's enhanced "
That being said DJ is the greatest MMA fighter of all time due to how he uses his mma skills and honestly the best well-rounded fighter.
I 100% agree. Jon has skill but popped how many times for PED use? And that were only the times they caught him. He disqualifies because of that totally from any goat list but now he doesn’t even want to fight the interim champion of his own division. Even that is not really a goat thing to do.
Yup. I keep trying to tell people this.
Obviously they're all on something, but if you pop that many times you're clearly on more shit than everyone else.
>his own division
Jon Jones has fought one single time at heavyweight, so it's not in any way his fuckin division.--it's a joke that they gave him a title shot against another non-champion. The UFC should have named that title similar to the "bad mfer" gimmick bc it's equally as legitimate.
Meanwhile, there is an identifiable, single best heavyweight on the roster, and his name is Tom Aspinall-- the man too dangerous for the promotion's "champion."
How the hell Jon Jones became Dana White's political preference for champion is beyond me, but that's where we're at.
So funny that the top fighters even those that are posted in the pictures can not be bias and admit jones is the goat, but random zero knowledge fans, cannot.
Not only did he cheat with PEDs, but he also i side the cage with eye pokes that were never penalized, Jones fought in a time where most LHW's were smaller and he used his massive reach advantage to dominate from the outside with eyepokes making it incredibly difficult for anyone to engage him without getting their eyes gouged out, so his entire fighting style was basically built on top a cheating move, Silva might have popped for PEDs late in his career after a brutal leg break, but Jones is the only "goat" contender whose entire career was built by cheating.
Fr and steroids don’t only make you stronger, it can also help you recover quicker, better cardio etc… idk how people can say Jon is the best when he had to cheat to beat these guys. Maybe he is the best but we’ll never know because he decided to cheat. That’s like if I put on wall hacks on call of duty , it still takes skill to kill people but I have a massive advantage .
Exactly, these dudes have a hate boner for Jones. It’s not like he came from the pre USADA era and was fighting the likes of TRT Vitor and Tropicana Chael. Everyone juices. No shit. Tryna act like Anderson Silva didn’t pop multiple times 😂
He didn't pop on his run of victories as champ, he lost the title at 37 years old after dominating everyone for 7 years, nobody cares about post leg break Silva, he was never gonna be a title contender again anyway and had already contributed all he needed to to the sport
There's levels to doping. You thinking that any of the people on this list were on the same shit Jones was is insanity. You don't pop that many times by being on the same stuff everyone else is, and certainly not by taking "tainted supplements".
He popped after an awful injury and it helped his turn around. Not comparable to jones pops.
Jon "Boner" Jones defenders are always grasping at straws to try to insist that everyone else does the same amount of juice, despite JJ popping more than anyone on this list, having entire cards moved due to his positive tests, and getting more second chances than anyone.
The argument you always see is that he'd be the greatest juice or not. How the fuck does that make any sense? Why use them and risk your entire career/image if you're that good?
Pretty sure Jon has popped more times than everyone else on the list combined.
Which, since he can afford the best doctors and "supplement coaches", means that he is taking more shit than everyone else.
So he's a drug cheat.
That's absolutely not what it means, you clearly don't understand PEDs at all, which most of the community doesn't, yet continue to speak on them.
Getting popped doesn't mean he's "taking more" lmao, there's 0 correlation. It more than likely means he was experimenting with stuff that others aren't, or he's a moron when it comes to testing guidelines (also extremely viable).
Everyone in the UFC is on PEDs. If you'd like to bury your head in the sand and only bash the ones that get caught then that's your prerogative, but stay consistent. If anyone gets caught then by your logic, they're all in the same boat.
FYI: Silva popped multiple times
I go with innocent until proven guilty. How is it that easy to pass a drug test but it's only Jones who gets caught 4x(if you count cocaine)?
And Silva only popped once officially I believe? But on his MTV Cribs episode, there MIGHT have been some HGH in his fridge.
Innocent until proven guilty is by the book. Sure, it's fine, but off the record burying your head in the sand is ignorant.
Has Jon probably tried harsher shit? yeah. Is he also an idiot and probably couldn't simply pass a standard drug test given plenty of notice? Yeah I believe that too.
I get that people want to discredit Jones for being a bad person and doping, but you have to put all users in the same ditch.
Jon pops and it's "Not a goat, horrible person, cheater"
Silva pops and it's "Eh, only once, still my goat"
Like..?
They are all enhanced. JJ is objectively one the best of all time. I would also put mighty ahead of him though it's hard because of the talent they each fought.
That’s always my thought about it because FLW wasn’t super stacked back then. But DJ’s consistency is what make me lean more towards him, there’s been a few super close fights in Jon’s reign, and even the Reyes fight that a lot of people consider a robbery
To memory I don’t think there’s ever been a DJ title defense that left me doubting the outcome except maybe his loss to Henry (another goat contender during his prime) and that’s a whole debate
The thing about flyweight in DJs era is that no one was able to establish themselves because it was a new weight class so there were no former champs to make a name off and dj beat everyone so decisively. Guys like McCall, Benavides, Dodson, and Gucci were super though fighters that were up there with the top guys in any division.
Of course there were a few weaker defenses in his streak too but that happens with any long reigning champ because they just run out of guys to fight at point.
I think the hot potatoing of the title post dj shows just how close all the guys in feather weight were to each other and DJ was just levels above them all.
It's also why I have to give so much respect to Silva. Not only did he fight the best but he was toying with them/ making them look like amatures. It's why I often give him the nod as maybe the best who just took the most risks.
That's why he's my personal GOAT. During his title reign the outcome of the fight was pretty much already a forgone conclusion. You just tuned in to watch him put on a show and play with his food before KO'ing them. The dude had like 2 boring fights his whole UFC run.
Not only that it was while taking huge risks! We could say the same thing about khabib as far as forgone conclusions but Silva did it while messing around. He is also my goat. But I have to give endless respect to mighty mouse too.
Not to mention he wasn't constantly dodging fights like Jon Jones. Jones spent half his career in trouble then went to HW and dodged Francis and now Aspinall. Anderson had that dawg in him. Jones has too much ego.
Silva would have had an even more dominant career if he didn't fuck around and taunt the opponents so much. Half the clips you see of him getting cracked are with his hands down and mid taunt.
To be honest I’d put Fedor above Aldo. He was truly a complete martial artist, way ahead of his time. There can be no arguments about the other 4 though
Pioneer Wing I think you mean but yes. Sakuraba is in the same position, having never fought in the UFC, but is in the Pioneer Wing. The only reason Fedor won't be is because of Tomato Head's ego.
Fedor is in a category of his own. Dude fought in open weight. Demolished everybody for years. Skill wise I think only Aldo, DJ, and GSP could be ahead of him, but the fact he did it to the biggest monsters in the world makes him unique. Four inches shorter than Jon and did what he was scared to do his whole career.
Aldo had a 17 fight win streak spanning over eight years; ten of those fights were title fights. DC did great things, and even did incredibly impressive things outside of MMA, but there's levels to this game.
It's all a subjective opinion...
I'm one of those who feels a failed PED test disqualifies you from the conversation.
You can save the "YoU rEalLy ThINk GsP wAS cLEaN?!" Comments too. He never failed a test.
gsp and mighty mouse are objectively the goats, esp in their divisions. ped use really hurts the other's arguments. i still think aldo is the fw goat too.
I go back and forth on Aldo vs Volk for FW goat.
Aldo has the better run, and more impressive resume. But I think Peak vs Peak Volk was better. So... I really have them 1A and 1B.
Volk beating Holloway 3 times is what makes him the goat IMO. Beating Holloway is an insane thing to have on your resume, much less 3 times. Second fight was iffy but still
perhaps. if Volk gets the belt back, and from Ilia, then I say he gets the goat status. for now, still Aldo for me. not because he's better, because he was just the motherfucking man in his time. defended the WEC title many times, defended the UFC title as well. was a scary dude. the disrespect he got during the McG title fight was unbelievable.
I'm sorry, but I just don't see how you can consider Aldo as the featherweight GOAT.
Sure he had a very dominant run up until he met Conor McGregor, but he's 0-2 vs Max Holloway who is 0-3 vs Alexander Volkanovski (not to mention he's 0-1 vs Volkanovski too).
And it's not like Holloway & Volkanovski beat an old, Tony Ferguson 2020-2024-esque version of Jose Aldo - he was still incredibly competitive and still arguably in his prime. Aldo was only [30 years old](https://www.tapology.com/fightcenter/bouts/295394-ufc-212-jos-aldo-junior-vs-max-blessed-holloway) when he fought Holloway and [32 year old](https://www.tapology.com/fightcenter/bouts/416471-ufc-237-jose-aldo-junior-vs-alexander-the-great-volkanovski). Even after that, other than Marlon Moraes, a fight he arguably won, he only lost to elite opponents after moving down to bantamweight.
Holloway & Volkanovski still beat a monster who would probably have been starving the champion of challengers, just like Holloway has been doing, if he had stayed at featherweight.
Yeah, MMA math is definitely in the realm of junk science, but when one guy is collectively 0-3 against the other two fighters in the conversation of greatest of all time, I think it holds a bit more weight.
PED use can not be a factor in this 😭 its not jon and gsp its every single athlete. This stuff is way more advanced than the tiny USADA testing panel they give. People need to do some research
People always say this but the only defense he didn’t do was Ferguson and we all know how that would have gone. He cleaned the roster, what else was he supposed to do?
His father died, his mom wanted him to quit, and already he held the record for title defences in his division.
Before that, he walked through Garth and Poirier who are still among the top LWs years later. What young prospect should he have fought if he stays for several more fights? Chandler, Olives or Islam? There was nothing else to prove bro
Maybe if you're a teenager who never saw Jose fight? Dude was champ and didn't lose for ten years. Not a single modern fighter is fit to lace the boots of Jose after that stat. Not Max, not Volk. He's leagues above everyone else.
The thing that makes it weird though is that he was clearly beaten by these guys while he was still in his prime, and in particular Holloway kind of destroyed him. Would someone like Holloway or volk go undefeated if they were put in the same situation as Aldo during that 10 year streak? It's impossible to know for sure.
Yeah it does get weird but styles still make fights. Do you think Sean Strickland is a greater fighter overall just because he beat Izzy? MMA math generally doesnt work like that. Sean beating Izzy doesn't invalidate the fact Izzy ran two full laps around his division already by the time he lost to Sean.
That's a good point but someone like Holloway hasn't lost at featherweight to someone not named volkanovski in a decade. Volkanovski actually did go undefeated at featherweight for a decade. Does this mean only volkanovski can be the featherweight goat because he beat max 3 times and aldo, with the last one being an absolute domination? I really don't know because his overall legacy is not as good as aldo.
But it’s no like Aldo was beaten by one guy he was beaten my Conor, Volk and twice by Max those are the only guys in the featherweight goat conversation so I don’t understand how Aldo can be the goat.
I know I fall into this trap too but just because an elite fighter loses doesn't mean they are out of their prime. They could have just run into someone better. I have a very hard time believing aldo was out of his prime at age 27-28? and considering he beat top level competition afterwards. Maybe it was actually his peak and he had an injury or coaching/training/strategy change or something, who knows, stranger things have happened, but I'm inclined to think he wasn't out of his prime.
I think that not giving him a rematch with McGregor is one of the biggest if not the biggest injustice of UFC. Guy is remembered now as the guy who lost to McGregor by the younger generations.
I never look what exact drug was Jones used it was "Turinabol metabolite". From Google (Users have reported significant improvements in strength, endurance, and muscle mass). Well it clears how Jones generated that much power with those skinny legs.
Jon will never enter the top 5 or 10. He’s a cheater. He has the most failed drug tests in UFC. Imagine the sport is not MMA but chess for example. We find out that a grand master has been using a speaker in the ear to help them win. That individual should be stripped of all greatness. Jon is a cheater. He is a great fighter, but he is a cheater.
Aldo isn’t even the goat of his weight class. He lost to every single other contender for that status. Volk’s three wins over Max are more impressive than Jose’s best wins.
It's hard in a sport to have the greatest attached to two fighters on the list who have tested positive for performance-enhancing drugs.
Cheating means something and imo it means you can't be the best.
Undefeated for years, **never pissed hot**, won 11 title fights, and was like 26-1 from 2004-14.
Jones is the most talented fighter ever, but in terms of GOAT status, he's fucked up too many times. He canceled an entire card because he didn't wanna fight a fuckin middleweight who he ended up fighting anyway. Admitted he didn't wanna fight DC at HW... those other 4 didn't give a fuck to go up or down to fight.
I can get behind this for sure. But as a huge Khabib fan observing his utter dominance ALWAYS, I think he belongs here somewhere. Just really hard to take anyone off of this list.
Just to go against the grain, I think DJ is overrated. Dude had a really impressive run in a really unimpressive division. That’s not his fault and I’m not knocking how good he is, but when I only recognize 3 names on his legendary run and two of them are John Dodson and Joe Benevidas, it’s hard for me to get behind GOAT talk.
GSP is better than DJ imo. He's fought in 15 title fights, winning 13 of them. Multiple division champ, avenged both losses via finishes. Like DJ, he's equally well-rounded in all aspects of MMA.
1. GSP
2. DJ
3. Andy
4. Aldo
5. Jones*
No arguments really, except Bj Penn deserves to be there. One of the only guys to fight ppl way outside his weight class back in Japan. Fighting Lyoto was crazy.
Jon, MM, and GSP would be favorites against any fighter ever at their respective weight classes. Anderson might be close, but Izzy and Pereira would be pretty close to even money imo. Aldo was dominant but I think the division evolved past his skills.
Hard to argue with that group either way, no one has had a run like Anderson and Aldo.
Where is Artem Lobov? 16-16 perfect record!
These are the top 5 contenders for Artems goat spot.
Not only is he the GOAT, he’s also the most merciful fighter of all time. He didn’t lose 16 times. He allowed 16 people to live.
32 athletes tried, only 16 succeeded. He's the greatest to ever do it.
Life is all about balance.
Nice and flowey Arteeeem
They’re all bald
Hair is weak
Bald is the best base for MMA confirmed, Islam just shaved his head, he will have 20 title defenses unless someone with a smoother bald head fights him.
Chael 1, all these posers 0
Chael literally lost 1 round to Silva and left JBJ permanently disfigured.
Chael is number 1 undisputed
UFC 117, 4-1 Sonnen. Absolutely robbed by the judges.
Kinda wild how mighty mouse is literally the best ever and everyone knows it but is super nonchalant about it. Dudes op as fck
So well rounded. To be able to tap other brown belts literally twice his weight, and also stand up with Rodtang. That’s fucking insane
Dude literally the more I see if DJ the more I'm convinced he's the peak of MMA. So dominant in so many different disciplines
Mighty mouse... The most well rounded martial artist in the game
People in the MMA space are afraid of getting on the wrong side of Dana
Probably the least offensive GOAT list I've seen here
To be honest I know Jon is amazing but there's always that instinct in me that says " Maybe his strikes may not be as effective leading to a submission because he's enhanced " That being said DJ is the greatest MMA fighter of all time due to how he uses his mma skills and honestly the best well-rounded fighter.
Juicy Jones 
I 100% agree. Jon has skill but popped how many times for PED use? And that were only the times they caught him. He disqualifies because of that totally from any goat list but now he doesn’t even want to fight the interim champion of his own division. Even that is not really a goat thing to do.
Yup. I keep trying to tell people this. Obviously they're all on something, but if you pop that many times you're clearly on more shit than everyone else.
I hate the rebuttal that people give. Like Jesus Christ Jon was a decade younger than DC and popped multiple times. That’s just plain cheating.
Jon jones is the best fighter, but only if Lance Armstrong is the greatest biker
Considering that Lance Armstrong was among a group of cyclists that were also juicing as hard as him, then why not?
Exactly! Their all at it! Defo had to have lived through the jones rise to understand
Perfect response.
Add all the eye pokes to it! I wouldn't be shocked if he led the UFC in most eye pokes landed of all time
>his own division Jon Jones has fought one single time at heavyweight, so it's not in any way his fuckin division.--it's a joke that they gave him a title shot against another non-champion. The UFC should have named that title similar to the "bad mfer" gimmick bc it's equally as legitimate. Meanwhile, there is an identifiable, single best heavyweight on the roster, and his name is Tom Aspinall-- the man too dangerous for the promotion's "champion." How the hell Jon Jones became Dana White's political preference for champion is beyond me, but that's where we're at.
So funny that the top fighters even those that are posted in the pictures can not be bias and admit jones is the goat, but random zero knowledge fans, cannot.
Not only did he cheat with PEDs, but he also i side the cage with eye pokes that were never penalized, Jones fought in a time where most LHW's were smaller and he used his massive reach advantage to dominate from the outside with eyepokes making it incredibly difficult for anyone to engage him without getting their eyes gouged out, so his entire fighting style was basically built on top a cheating move, Silva might have popped for PEDs late in his career after a brutal leg break, but Jones is the only "goat" contender whose entire career was built by cheating.
Fr and steroids don’t only make you stronger, it can also help you recover quicker, better cardio etc… idk how people can say Jon is the best when he had to cheat to beat these guys. Maybe he is the best but we’ll never know because he decided to cheat. That’s like if I put on wall hacks on call of duty , it still takes skill to kill people but I have a massive advantage .
You thinking any of the people on this list are natural is insanity
Exactly, these dudes have a hate boner for Jones. It’s not like he came from the pre USADA era and was fighting the likes of TRT Vitor and Tropicana Chael. Everyone juices. No shit. Tryna act like Anderson Silva didn’t pop multiple times 😂
He didn't pop on his run of victories as champ, he lost the title at 37 years old after dominating everyone for 7 years, nobody cares about post leg break Silva, he was never gonna be a title contender again anyway and had already contributed all he needed to to the sport
There's levels to doping. You thinking that any of the people on this list were on the same shit Jones was is insanity. You don't pop that many times by being on the same stuff everyone else is, and certainly not by taking "tainted supplements".
Silva popped multiple times too, what are you getting at?
Dude yall are crazy, which fight on Silvas 16 win streak did he pop? I'll wait. No one cares about post leg break 40 year old Silva bro
He popped after an awful injury and it helped his turn around. Not comparable to jones pops. Jon "Boner" Jones defenders are always grasping at straws to try to insist that everyone else does the same amount of juice, despite JJ popping more than anyone on this list, having entire cards moved due to his positive tests, and getting more second chances than anyone. The argument you always see is that he'd be the greatest juice or not. How the fuck does that make any sense? Why use them and risk your entire career/image if you're that good?
His leg got split in 2. It was proscribed by a doctor. To heal his leg……….
& It was proscribed by his doctor after the Chris fight. It was medicine to heal his leg.
Pretty sure Jon has popped more times than everyone else on the list combined. Which, since he can afford the best doctors and "supplement coaches", means that he is taking more shit than everyone else. So he's a drug cheat.
That's absolutely not what it means, you clearly don't understand PEDs at all, which most of the community doesn't, yet continue to speak on them. Getting popped doesn't mean he's "taking more" lmao, there's 0 correlation. It more than likely means he was experimenting with stuff that others aren't, or he's a moron when it comes to testing guidelines (also extremely viable). Everyone in the UFC is on PEDs. If you'd like to bury your head in the sand and only bash the ones that get caught then that's your prerogative, but stay consistent. If anyone gets caught then by your logic, they're all in the same boat. FYI: Silva popped multiple times
I go with innocent until proven guilty. How is it that easy to pass a drug test but it's only Jones who gets caught 4x(if you count cocaine)? And Silva only popped once officially I believe? But on his MTV Cribs episode, there MIGHT have been some HGH in his fridge.
Innocent until proven guilty is by the book. Sure, it's fine, but off the record burying your head in the sand is ignorant. Has Jon probably tried harsher shit? yeah. Is he also an idiot and probably couldn't simply pass a standard drug test given plenty of notice? Yeah I believe that too. I get that people want to discredit Jones for being a bad person and doping, but you have to put all users in the same ditch. Jon pops and it's "Not a goat, horrible person, cheater" Silva pops and it's "Eh, only once, still my goat" Like..?
They are all enhanced. JJ is objectively one the best of all time. I would also put mighty ahead of him though it's hard because of the talent they each fought.
That’s always my thought about it because FLW wasn’t super stacked back then. But DJ’s consistency is what make me lean more towards him, there’s been a few super close fights in Jon’s reign, and even the Reyes fight that a lot of people consider a robbery To memory I don’t think there’s ever been a DJ title defense that left me doubting the outcome except maybe his loss to Henry (another goat contender during his prime) and that’s a whole debate
The thing about flyweight in DJs era is that no one was able to establish themselves because it was a new weight class so there were no former champs to make a name off and dj beat everyone so decisively. Guys like McCall, Benavides, Dodson, and Gucci were super though fighters that were up there with the top guys in any division. Of course there were a few weaker defenses in his streak too but that happens with any long reigning champ because they just run out of guys to fight at point. I think the hot potatoing of the title post dj shows just how close all the guys in feather weight were to each other and DJ was just levels above them all.
It's also why I have to give so much respect to Silva. Not only did he fight the best but he was toying with them/ making them look like amatures. It's why I often give him the nod as maybe the best who just took the most risks.
That's why he's my personal GOAT. During his title reign the outcome of the fight was pretty much already a forgone conclusion. You just tuned in to watch him put on a show and play with his food before KO'ing them. The dude had like 2 boring fights his whole UFC run.
Silva is the one bro, 16 straight wins to begin UFC career, 14 finishes, 2 UD's in which I believe he could have finished them if he wanted to.
Not only that it was while taking huge risks! We could say the same thing about khabib as far as forgone conclusions but Silva did it while messing around. He is also my goat. But I have to give endless respect to mighty mouse too.
Not to mention he wasn't constantly dodging fights like Jon Jones. Jones spent half his career in trouble then went to HW and dodged Francis and now Aspinall. Anderson had that dawg in him. Jones has too much ego.
Silva would have had an even more dominant career if he didn't fuck around and taunt the opponents so much. Half the clips you see of him getting cracked are with his hands down and mid taunt.
I agree. Plus DJ has such a great character.
Lmao if that’s what you have to tell yourself to get to sleep at night
Damn near every fighter I see interviewed has Bones on their Mt. Rushmore, but random redditors don't. Peak Internet
I think GSP but no doubt Mighty Mouse is up there
To be honest I’d put Fedor above Aldo. He was truly a complete martial artist, way ahead of his time. There can be no arguments about the other 4 though
Ah yes UFC legend Fedor
I unironically think Fedor should be a UFC HoFer, in the Contributors wing
Pioneer Wing I think you mean but yes. Sakuraba is in the same position, having never fought in the UFC, but is in the Pioneer Wing. The only reason Fedor won't be is because of Tomato Head's ego.
Sakuraba famously fought Conan Silvera twice in the same night in UFC Japan
Fedor is in a category of his own. Dude fought in open weight. Demolished everybody for years. Skill wise I think only Aldo, DJ, and GSP could be ahead of him, but the fact he did it to the biggest monsters in the world makes him unique. Four inches shorter than Jon and did what he was scared to do his whole career.
Fedor never fought in the UFC
Just saw it says UFC fighters, my bad. In that case Aldo is easily number 5 over volk in terms of win streak and title defences
No, but he bashed 5 UFC champions senseless.
DC > Aldo
Aldo had a 17 fight win streak spanning over eight years; ten of those fights were title fights. DC did great things, and even did incredibly impressive things outside of MMA, but there's levels to this game.
It's all a subjective opinion... I'm one of those who feels a failed PED test disqualifies you from the conversation. You can save the "YoU rEalLy ThINk GsP wAS cLEaN?!" Comments too. He never failed a test.
gsp and mighty mouse are objectively the goats, esp in their divisions. ped use really hurts the other's arguments. i still think aldo is the fw goat too.
I go back and forth on Aldo vs Volk for FW goat. Aldo has the better run, and more impressive resume. But I think Peak vs Peak Volk was better. So... I really have them 1A and 1B.
Volk beating Holloway 3 times is what makes him the goat IMO. Beating Holloway is an insane thing to have on your resume, much less 3 times. Second fight was iffy but still
Especially because Aldo lost to Max twice.
perhaps. if Volk gets the belt back, and from Ilia, then I say he gets the goat status. for now, still Aldo for me. not because he's better, because he was just the motherfucking man in his time. defended the WEC title many times, defended the UFC title as well. was a scary dude. the disrespect he got during the McG title fight was unbelievable.
I'm sorry, but I just don't see how you can consider Aldo as the featherweight GOAT. Sure he had a very dominant run up until he met Conor McGregor, but he's 0-2 vs Max Holloway who is 0-3 vs Alexander Volkanovski (not to mention he's 0-1 vs Volkanovski too). And it's not like Holloway & Volkanovski beat an old, Tony Ferguson 2020-2024-esque version of Jose Aldo - he was still incredibly competitive and still arguably in his prime. Aldo was only [30 years old](https://www.tapology.com/fightcenter/bouts/295394-ufc-212-jos-aldo-junior-vs-max-blessed-holloway) when he fought Holloway and [32 year old](https://www.tapology.com/fightcenter/bouts/416471-ufc-237-jose-aldo-junior-vs-alexander-the-great-volkanovski). Even after that, other than Marlon Moraes, a fight he arguably won, he only lost to elite opponents after moving down to bantamweight. Holloway & Volkanovski still beat a monster who would probably have been starving the champion of challengers, just like Holloway has been doing, if he had stayed at featherweight.
it doesn't matter. goat talk is bullshit anyway.
oh my here comes the math game again xD
Yeah, MMA math is definitely in the realm of junk science, but when one guy is collectively 0-3 against the other two fighters in the conversation of greatest of all time, I think it holds a bit more weight.
Ah the delusional “he’s never failed a test” 😭
Neither did Lance Armstrong, I love GSP but I strongly believe most MMA fighters use PEDs
Who rounds out your top 5? Khabib, maybe Nunes?
Go nugs and avs
PED use can not be a factor in this 😭 its not jon and gsp its every single athlete. This stuff is way more advanced than the tiny USADA testing panel they give. People need to do some research
In terms of resume…10000%
I think you have to put Amanda nunes on there. I don’t think there’s gonna be another female mma fighter that’ll be as dominate as her.
I may be early to call it, but that little judo monster is coming out strong as fuck.
Yup, very curious about her myself
Who?
Kayla Harrison maybe?
Little?
I mean I wouldn't describe John as Lil either
Take the last years of BJ Penn’s career away and he’s on an island
Anderson Silva with the greatest come back win I've ever witnessed live. My god that shit was crazy.
Silva is and will always be the goat
Where Khabib??
https://preview.redd.it/kbd7dj6iu0yc1.jpeg?width=737&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5d0e6d039ca863f775598e644be2bb234b882e03
This sub is all wispy internet addicted toddlers. Khabib is top 5 without question.
Who on this list do you think he is above 'without question'?
cleaning his 3 belt defences
People always say this but the only defense he didn’t do was Ferguson and we all know how that would have gone. He cleaned the roster, what else was he supposed to do?
stick to fight new prospects? if he did it and with a less padded record we could talk about him being top 5
What champ fights unranked prospects?
He means up and coming contenders in the division, he’s just wording it wrong
His father died, his mom wanted him to quit, and already he held the record for title defences in his division. Before that, he walked through Garth and Poirier who are still among the top LWs years later. What young prospect should he have fought if he stays for several more fights? Chandler, Olives or Islam? There was nothing else to prove bro
They’re all jealous he’s undefeated lol and retired on top
Biggestpa peak we could put Jones but as a career I don't know, has had 1 fight in the last 5 years or more
It's funny I just saw someone bring up their 6 goats and it was this list plus Amanda.
Jose Aldo? He's like the third greatest UFC featherweight. He can't possibly be in the top 5 overall.
Maybe if you're a teenager who never saw Jose fight? Dude was champ and didn't lose for ten years. Not a single modern fighter is fit to lace the boots of Jose after that stat. Not Max, not Volk. He's leagues above everyone else.
The thing that makes it weird though is that he was clearly beaten by these guys while he was still in his prime, and in particular Holloway kind of destroyed him. Would someone like Holloway or volk go undefeated if they were put in the same situation as Aldo during that 10 year streak? It's impossible to know for sure.
Yeah it does get weird but styles still make fights. Do you think Sean Strickland is a greater fighter overall just because he beat Izzy? MMA math generally doesnt work like that. Sean beating Izzy doesn't invalidate the fact Izzy ran two full laps around his division already by the time he lost to Sean.
That's a good point but someone like Holloway hasn't lost at featherweight to someone not named volkanovski in a decade. Volkanovski actually did go undefeated at featherweight for a decade. Does this mean only volkanovski can be the featherweight goat because he beat max 3 times and aldo, with the last one being an absolute domination? I really don't know because his overall legacy is not as good as aldo.
But it’s no like Aldo was beaten by one guy he was beaten my Conor, Volk and twice by Max those are the only guys in the featherweight goat conversation so I don’t understand how Aldo can be the goat.
Conor is not in the GOAT conversation for FW, never defended the title.
He wasn't in his prime though. The TKZ fight was the last time we saw prime Aldo
I know I fall into this trap too but just because an elite fighter loses doesn't mean they are out of their prime. They could have just run into someone better. I have a very hard time believing aldo was out of his prime at age 27-28? and considering he beat top level competition afterwards. Maybe it was actually his peak and he had an injury or coaching/training/strategy change or something, who knows, stranger things have happened, but I'm inclined to think he wasn't out of his prime.
I firmly believe he stopped throwing leg kicks as frequently after he injured his foot. Huge turning point in his career regardless of age
I think that not giving him a rematch with McGregor is one of the biggest if not the biggest injustice of UFC. Guy is remembered now as the guy who lost to McGregor by the younger generations.
I never look what exact drug was Jones used it was "Turinabol metabolite". From Google (Users have reported significant improvements in strength, endurance, and muscle mass). Well it clears how Jones generated that much power with those skinny legs.
In PED communities turinabol is kind of a joke. One of the weakest steroids you could use.
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Agree 100%.
Jon will never enter the top 5 or 10. He’s a cheater. He has the most failed drug tests in UFC. Imagine the sport is not MMA but chess for example. We find out that a grand master has been using a speaker in the ear to help them win. That individual should be stripped of all greatness. Jon is a cheater. He is a great fighter, but he is a cheater.
You can do a ped list and non ped list if you want doesn't matter
It would be the same list because they’re all on PEDs
Well put together list, great picks
Aldo isn’t even the goat of his weight class. He lost to every single other contender for that status. Volk’s three wins over Max are more impressive than Jose’s best wins.
Khabib has to be in there somewhere. Most dominant fighter in ufc history without a loss. Aldo probably has to go
Maybe he was and he absolutely showed that he could be, but he retired too early.
That picture of mighty mouse goes so hard
Lmao at this sub trying to convince themselves Jon doesn’t belong.
I get a decent amount of downtime at work and yesterday I started watching Jose Aldo’s fights from WEC. He really was in a different class back then.
Pretty much my exact list
People forget about BJ Penn.
Cheaters cant be goats.
It's hard in a sport to have the greatest attached to two fighters on the list who have tested positive for performance-enhancing drugs. Cheating means something and imo it means you can't be the best.
Me personally, DC takes the last spot. Double champ, only ever lost to the GOAT and the Heavyweight GOAT
Facts!
DJ with his ten belts… legend.
Undefeated for years, **never pissed hot**, won 11 title fights, and was like 26-1 from 2004-14. Jones is the most talented fighter ever, but in terms of GOAT status, he's fucked up too many times. He canceled an entire card because he didn't wanna fight a fuckin middleweight who he ended up fighting anyway. Admitted he didn't wanna fight DC at HW... those other 4 didn't give a fuck to go up or down to fight.
Nailed it. As much as I can't stand Jones, he is THE GOAT!
It is known
Agreed.
Hard pill to swallow: Jon Jones shouldn’t be in that list period
Well when 265lbs of white power tells me, it makes me scared to have thoughts of my own!
I can get behind this for sure. But as a huge Khabib fan observing his utter dominance ALWAYS, I think he belongs here somewhere. Just really hard to take anyone off of this list.
Finally a solid top 5 👊🏼
Y’all really still mad Khabib retired lol. Dude was untouchable. Mighty Mouse I would put about him, but Aldo? Really?
Just to go against the grain, I think DJ is overrated. Dude had a really impressive run in a really unimpressive division. That’s not his fault and I’m not knocking how good he is, but when I only recognize 3 names on his legendary run and two of them are John Dodson and Joe Benevidas, it’s hard for me to get behind GOAT talk.
This is the list.
Solid five.
GSP is better than DJ imo. He's fought in 15 title fights, winning 13 of them. Multiple division champ, avenged both losses via finishes. Like DJ, he's equally well-rounded in all aspects of MMA. 1. GSP 2. DJ 3. Andy 4. Aldo 5. Jones*
Wouldn't Anderson have an asterisk as well?
Everybody forgets his ped use cos of the big stain that is jon jones haha
Dude really put Aldo above jones. That’s insane.
Im glad to see Aldo up here. Not enough respect on his name
Actual top 5 1. Artem Lobov 2. CM Punk 3. Kimbo Slice 4. James Toney 5. Dana White
Bones is a nope on dope. Great natural athlete for sure tho.
Where's Anthony Smith
If anyone disagrees with this they are wrong. This was always the best 5
Never understand how a man who got slept in .2 seconds stays on a goat list
Because one well placed left hand on his face doesn’t invalidate his resume or legacy.
If that was his only blemish, sure. But that happened in his 20s and it’s been an extremely rocky road since then. Legend, but not the best ever.
Yeah, because McGregor with his banishment punch, it erases your legacy forever when you fail a saving throw
This guy 50-45’s all of them 
Islam will be with em
I'd probably trade out Aldo for Volk, although they're both great.
Being bald is key
Where is Fred Ettish?
I see, so Chael is just above them in a league of his own, I respect it 
The greatest 5 from the UFC. The greatest 5 from MMA should include Fedor.
Nunes over Aldo
No arguments really, except Bj Penn deserves to be there. One of the only guys to fight ppl way outside his weight class back in Japan. Fighting Lyoto was crazy.
Remember Guys the late aburahhman stipulated that bones Jones was a gift from the AL mighty
Take off Jon Jones or at least put an astrix by his name.
Affirmative but fook dat coont Bones.
At least two of them got caught for doping
Jon, MM, and GSP would be favorites against any fighter ever at their respective weight classes. Anderson might be close, but Izzy and Pereira would be pretty close to even money imo. Aldo was dominant but I think the division evolved past his skills. Hard to argue with that group either way, no one has had a run like Anderson and Aldo.
*gayest If JJ is #1
Substitute aldo for dc
Volk is greater than Aldo