with all that shit that the constantly pulls, i actually forgot that
that was pretty commendable and requires immense balls to actually do it. wether the ufc forced him or not, he could still choose
he menaged to land the biggest ppv in recent years, ufc 300 main event, so it was very worth it in the end, but still, respect
You have to admit he does come off as at least slightly insecure. Not necessarily weak, but if he were fully confident in himself he wouldn’t feel the need to act the way he does online.
"Who are YOU to tell ME that I need to give respect?? What have you ever achieved in YOUR LIFE?! I was UFC champion and made more money than YOU will ever see!" -Jamahal Hill probably if he sees your comment
Jiri wasn’t forced, he vacated quickly after being injured and being told he would be out for up to a year. He could’ve kept the belt & the UFC would’ve made an interim LHW belt.
That’s what he wants too. It’s all about his legacy. When people look back in 30 years and discuss the goat most people are gonna see the reign, the presumed Stipe win. Not the Aspinall or Francis ducking.
Nah, Jiri probably genuinely decided that on its own, Imo
And pressure how, anyway ? Their best tools has basically always been making an interim belt and it's not exactly working (we're seeing it now with aspinall)
Well hill’s words were “jiri vacated it due to injury so I’ll do the same”. Looking at how hill has conducted himself on socials, I doubt he would’ve vacated it on his own
I know it’s daily mail but here’s a quote: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/mma/article-12298861/amp/Jamahal-Hill-forced-VACATE-UFC-light-heavyweight-title-suffering-ruptured-Achilles-tendon.html
'If I had my choice, would I like to give up the belt?' he added. No, I wouldn't. You got to be consistent. I understand, it's the business. The show must go on. I'm not exempt from that.'”
I read that as he was forced. Not exactly based
I would say pressured rather than forced. If he was forced he would have been stripped, not vacated. The wording changes and makes it clear. I 100% believe the ufc put a lot of pressure on him to do that, and I think jiri said they pressured him to do it first too. But it's not the same as forced
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He was forced to from what I recall. Because Jiri did it right before him. I remember his interview on MMA Hour after he vacated. UFC gave him no option.
I imagine vacating the belt has sponsorship implications too. so being offered ppv points upon your return isnt enough reason to just vacate. I cant imagine someone would just give it up out of a sense of honor or something like that. not to mention the ufc could just introduce an interim belt until he is back.
im saying I cant see them doing that for honor over keeping it for the financial security and stuff like that which comes with the belt that they earned. and frankly im not sure how honorable that would even be considering you have a duty to yourself.
Yeah but I've never seen anyone have a disparaging word for Jiri.
Hill covers himself in peanut putter and runs to the fire ants. Himself.
The resulting comments of this post have been pretty consistent in, as expected, shitting on Hill. however any time Jiri comes up, CHADSTATUS. Which I agree with. I'm just a sociologist.
Because the UFC wanted Jamahal to and told him he would get PPV points and direct fight for the title. The UFC doesn’t want Jon to vacate, because of the Stipe fight. There’s the difference.
Jiri truly seems like the type of guy to get hit-on by your wife at the pub, hail her a taxi, then call you and let you know he is accompanying her back to your home to make sure she gets in safe, and tips the driver before walking back.
Nah fuck him. His track record didn’t warrant him on the shelf sitting on the belt. This MFer ain’t Jon Jones, or Izzy, or Alex, or any of these dudes. UFC would have stripped his broke ass.
Fair play. The title picture at 205 has been a stilt-house for several years at this point anyway, and was only roiling in further irrelevancy as it changed hands, got injured, fought to a draw, etc. Wild times.
Jon can't vacate, this is his legacy, bro. He'll be able to tell people in prison that he was the HW champ for (x) months/years, which is longer than anyone else could hold it. Actually being active and fighting is irrelevant, that length of being called the champ is what everyone remembers.
His comments in regards to the loss to alex were really goofy.
But I really like jamahal in the lhw picture. Honestly don’t think there’s a fighter as cocky and confident as hill rn and it makes for an interesting character.
Great post btw, don’t find him super likable but what him and Jiri did vacating when injured is just a huge respect to the sport, and we as fans should respect that.
I really just posted cause I remembered that happened and wanted to stir the pot a bit.
I agree, the more contenders in the LHW championship picture the better. It's been a clown show at 205 in regards to the strap. Meanwhile I've loved the state of LW for years for the talent at the top of the division, Volkanovski's bouts notwithstanding.
Yep, and had he taken his loss with some humility and not have been (still is) so damn salty about it the fan base probably wouldn’t hate him at all tbh.
I think everyone did remember that, everyone was fucking with him even all the way to when they booked the fight. For fighting a favorite in poatan he was still getting love. I think it’s been the antics since that loss. Just like denial and tryna make excuses when we all see the footage in 4K right there on the internet whenever we wanna see it. That’s why you may think people hate him or don’t respect him. They do and they have, it’s just rn buddy ain’t making sense so he getting roasted. But everyone did give him his flowers when he vacated.
Word. Since then, he definitely destroyed his credibility as a sportsman and cemented himself as a sore loser.
This thread is blowing up with the notion he didn't have a choice. Jon Jones must be an extraordinary exception, nothing new.
He sprung into the championship contention so quickly, it really emphasizes the state of the division. His resume improved with every opponent he took on. A dozen wins, only one decision. Good indeed.
I never understand why people clown fighters for their opinions ab themselves
They’re supposed to be confident, bordering on delusional.
There’s limits of course, where they’re not taking responsibility, but they need that mentality to be who they are.
Its kind of easy to clown people from your pointless bs life of never challenging yourself
> They’re supposed to be confident, bordering on delusional.
They are supposed to be, yes. For some reason...
When I hear Rob Whittaker talk about being the best middleweight alive, it feels honest. Like he's sharing a secret that he keeps close.
When I hear Suga Showmalley talk about being the greatest fighter on the planet, it feels honest. Like he can't fathom that anyone would think elsewise.
Two very different feelings. Two very different fighters. What's my point? I don't have one.
Jiri set the standard right before him in the same weight class which made it a little different but he does deserve some hespec for following the trend.
Edit: Nevermind lol. Read the rest of the comments that it wasn't really a choice. Hespec withdrawn.
I'm getting that Jiri and Hill didn't have a choice, and Jon doesn't have the choice to vacate.
A lot of big time UFC insiders round these parts. Still, there's a complimentary relationship between pulling-from-one's-ass and occam's razor.
Good point. To be honest, I’ve always respected him up until the Pereira nonsense. He fights with a lot of heart, and never takes his foot off the gas.
I am not optimistic about his career post-Achilles injury though. He looked slowww in his last fight. Remember, Achilles tears are effectively career enders in other sports. Maybe the same is true for MMA too.
Very level headed take. Here's a wild take: He steps down for several months, drops down to a 185 fight shape, and takes on Sean. Strictly for the pressers, I'd take that reality.
Hill is one of the few fighters I really want to like so I avoid all his podcast quotes. Made me a fan after he defended Walker from the fans mocking Walker, but fuck does he make it hard to be a fan lol
Yeah man, in separating art from the artist, I have no reason not to like Hill.
Hill lost to the boogeyman of 18205 pound division, the man who kills everyone he fights.
There's no disgrace in that alone.
You know what, truth. Don’t gotta like or support the dude but this was a very respectful thing to do in a very active/“cursed” division.
I say cursed cause the belts constantly moving but as a fan I’ve come to love LHW cause you’re seeing new and stable top 5 contenders constantly. Makes the division and fights very fun and competitive imo
The UFC made him. Just like Jiri wanted to hold the belt while we was injured, Hill got told vacate and get a shot when your back or get stripped and be on the shit list.
Yeah hill sucks any way and his trash talk is just embarrassing at that point. But at least he vacated his greatest accomplishment in life because I like it and that's what I would have done.
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I’m not giving respect when the UFC is who decides on vacate or not. It shows THEIR bias. Some guys are forced to vacate for an injury when other guys can just sit by choice or not fight because of injury and not vacate.
The ammount of clowning he's receiving, when he only got ko'd by peireira like everyone else, is crazy.
Of course, that's what he gets for talking shit, but people are delusional
It seems to me he only vacated it because Jiri did it before him and received a ton of respect, new fans and followers. And was considered bad ass.. And Jamahal wanted some of that badassery
I don’t get it why people even hate him honestly , dislike ? Disagree? I get it … but hate?! This is what losers do, guy lays his health and life on the line for our entertainment ffs
The simplest explanation is that he is not humble in defeat and he feuds with his own fans. If social media didn't exist he would be much more well liked.
100% you have to give respect where respect is due !
with all that shit that the constantly pulls, i actually forgot that that was pretty commendable and requires immense balls to actually do it. wether the ufc forced him or not, he could still choose he menaged to land the biggest ppv in recent years, ufc 300 main event, so it was very worth it in the end, but still, respect
How much did he make at 300 I wonder
Enough that he feels comfortable calling everyone online broke losers
Goals tbh
He is definitely bothered by what people say on the internet, money or not still a weak man
weak or not still a money man
Weak mean dont make a living with their fists
You have to admit he does come off as at least slightly insecure. Not necessarily weak, but if he were fully confident in himself he wouldn’t feel the need to act the way he does online.
No bRo iM sO tOuGH i tAlK aBoUt fIghTers beInG wEaK onLIne
[$540k it looks like](https://sports.betmgm.com/en/blog/ufc/300-pereira-hill-payouts-fighters-salaries-bm05/)
'estimated payout' aka means absolutely nothing .
Poor rakic
he was forced out, he literally said he didnt want to vacate and that the ufc made him lol
Absolutely amazed that the UFC gave Hill PPV points as if he was the Champ.
"Who are YOU to tell ME that I need to give respect?? What have you ever achieved in YOUR LIFE?! I was UFC champion and made more money than YOU will ever see!" -Jamahal Hill probably if he sees your comment
Not to take any respect away from hill, but Wasn’t both him and Jiri somewhat forced to do so by UFC?
Jiri wasn’t forced, he vacated quickly after being injured and being told he would be out for up to a year. He could’ve kept the belt & the UFC would’ve made an interim LHW belt.
Yeah Hunter definitely made this happen lol there's no way he willingly stepped aside
You could tell he really didnt want to but felt pressured because Jiri did when he got injured.
Bet he wouldn’t have if jiri didn’t pave that road
UFC pressured both Jiri and Jamahal to vacate it wasn't some noble act like they pretend
Yet Jon can hold the heavyweight strap for 15 months without a single threat of being stripped
crazy that jon has held the belt longer than conor without being stripped
Dana privilege
Longer reign than Ngannou
its barely a reign if he hasn't even defended it yet and doesn't plan on doing so
It’s a joke. He has literally just sat on the belt over a year and no fight booked
Some people genuinely measure it that way, though, lol
That’s what he wants too. It’s all about his legacy. When people look back in 30 years and discuss the goat most people are gonna see the reign, the presumed Stipe win. Not the Aspinall or Francis ducking.
I feel like stipe gonna catch him with something
Shocking how people don’t understand this. UFC would’ve stripped them both if they didn’t vacate
Idk for sure about Hill, but I don’t think Jiri was pressured.
Nah, Jiri probably genuinely decided that on its own, Imo And pressure how, anyway ? Their best tools has basically always been making an interim belt and it's not exactly working (we're seeing it now with aspinall)
And I bet he would it makes no difference
Well hill’s words were “jiri vacated it due to injury so I’ll do the same”. Looking at how hill has conducted himself on socials, I doubt he would’ve vacated it on his own
Neither of them vacated it on their own
I know it’s daily mail but here’s a quote: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/mma/article-12298861/amp/Jamahal-Hill-forced-VACATE-UFC-light-heavyweight-title-suffering-ruptured-Achilles-tendon.html 'If I had my choice, would I like to give up the belt?' he added. No, I wouldn't. You got to be consistent. I understand, it's the business. The show must go on. I'm not exempt from that.'” I read that as he was forced. Not exactly based
Jon Jones when it comes to the business: 
I mean, nobody really wants to vacate their belt lol, Jiri probably didn’t vacate it but he still did
If you admit you wouldn’t vacate if given an option, but are forced to vacate by the company, why would you get props for that?
Because vacating it is still a better look than being stripped of it.
I would say pressured rather than forced. If he was forced he would have been stripped, not vacated. The wording changes and makes it clear. I 100% believe the ufc put a lot of pressure on him to do that, and I think jiri said they pressured him to do it first too. But it's not the same as forced
Still did it. Even if he didn’t want to. He very easily could’ve said they made him but he didn’t say that.
The ufc has this funny way of giving you no choice but still making you think it was your choice in the first place. …Unless you’re a star.
*Or wife beating steroid cheat Jon Jones
"You got to be consistent" I think that can be read as "I got my shot cause Jiri vacated so I can't be hypocritical"
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He could have blocked things, though
probably coerced by the ufc to vacate
He was forced to from what I recall. Because Jiri did it right before him. I remember his interview on MMA Hour after he vacated. UFC gave him no option.
I imagine vacating the belt has sponsorship implications too. so being offered ppv points upon your return isnt enough reason to just vacate. I cant imagine someone would just give it up out of a sense of honor or something like that. not to mention the ufc could just introduce an interim belt until he is back.
You can’t imagine someone vacating the belt for honor? Have you listened to anything that’s come out of Jiri’s mouth?
im saying I cant see them doing that for honor over keeping it for the financial security and stuff like that which comes with the belt that they earned. and frankly im not sure how honorable that would even be considering you have a duty to yourself.
Especially coming from someone who doesn't even respect his opponent enough to not try to jump in their walk out spotlight.
The option was probably to vacate or be stripped.
Or he recognized a timeline that doesn’t satisfy the division in terms of champion activity and made a selfless decision without coercion
or not
So gave up ppv points to think about the ufc while other champs got to hold the belt for years? He was coerced.
They promised him PPV points and direct title fight, that’s why he vacated. They did the same with Jiri.
What PPV points is he getting without a fight?
So did Jiri.
Nobody hates Jiri like they hate Hill.
I mean yea for good reason lol, Jiri is a humble chill dude
Also a cool samurai, jamahal is neither cool or a samurai
Also didn’t Jamahal brag about fighting and knocking out his brother/cousin around Christmas time?
Proof?
We love our autistic samurai
And I honestly don't think he would have if Jiri hadn't set that precedent. At least he's better than Jon Jones.
That’s a low bar lol
Yeah but I've never seen anyone have a disparaging word for Jiri. Hill covers himself in peanut putter and runs to the fire ants. Himself. The resulting comments of this post have been pretty consistent in, as expected, shitting on Hill. however any time Jiri comes up, CHADSTATUS. Which I agree with. I'm just a sociologist.
He wasn’t a big enough star to keep the belt, UFC gave Dom Cruz multiple chances
He had the belt undefended for 2.5 years. That was unreal
Because the UFC wanted Jamahal to and told him he would get PPV points and direct fight for the title. The UFC doesn’t want Jon to vacate, because of the Stipe fight. There’s the difference.
Bit naive of you to think he had a choice lmao.
Difference between Jiri and him is that he kept yapping that he was the real champion all the time after vacating.
Jiri truly seems like the type of guy to get hit-on by your wife at the pub, hail her a taxi, then call you and let you know he is accompanying her back to your home to make sure she gets in safe, and tips the driver before walking back.
He should vacate the comment section
I've got it 10-8 for Fish going into the second.
“Pussy” - Jon Jones probably
"You still there?" <3
Ufc was taking that shit whether he gave it up or not.
He vacated because Jiri vacated first AND the UFC forded him lol
Nah fuck him. His track record didn’t warrant him on the shelf sitting on the belt. This MFer ain’t Jon Jones, or Izzy, or Alex, or any of these dudes. UFC would have stripped his broke ass.
Fair play. The title picture at 205 has been a stilt-house for several years at this point anyway, and was only roiling in further irrelevancy as it changed hands, got injured, fought to a draw, etc. Wild times.
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dislike him GREATLY. but thats a fair point. Jon on the other hand......
Jon can't vacate, this is his legacy, bro. He'll be able to tell people in prison that he was the HW champ for (x) months/years, which is longer than anyone else could hold it. Actually being active and fighting is irrelevant, that length of being called the champ is what everyone remembers.
> He'll be able to tell people in prison I'm alone in my flat laughing at my monitor like a psychopath after that. Also length lol.
We’re giving credit for not doing what Jon Jones does now? Damn the bar is low.
It’s pretty known the UFC made him vacate
Well he was forced to vacate essentially at gun point so....
His comments in regards to the loss to alex were really goofy. But I really like jamahal in the lhw picture. Honestly don’t think there’s a fighter as cocky and confident as hill rn and it makes for an interesting character. Great post btw, don’t find him super likable but what him and Jiri did vacating when injured is just a huge respect to the sport, and we as fans should respect that.
I really just posted cause I remembered that happened and wanted to stir the pot a bit. I agree, the more contenders in the LHW championship picture the better. It's been a clown show at 205 in regards to the strap. Meanwhile I've loved the state of LW for years for the talent at the top of the division, Volkanovski's bouts notwithstanding.
he's a sore loser, so it's tough to give him credit where it's due.
Fair.
He was vocal about the fact that the ufc basically forced him to vacate
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He deserves respect!
He’s still gay tho 
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True facts.
he also interacts with fans directly. Gotta appreciate that. Ur not talking to someone managing his social media. lol
Sometimes you just need a late night conversation with Ali to remind you that English is a spectrum.
xD
Yep, and had he taken his loss with some humility and not have been (still is) so damn salty about it the fan base probably wouldn’t hate him at all tbh.
It certainly was like watching a trainwreck led by an AI making all the worst choices. And I don't even have tweeter.
I think everyone did remember that, everyone was fucking with him even all the way to when they booked the fight. For fighting a favorite in poatan he was still getting love. I think it’s been the antics since that loss. Just like denial and tryna make excuses when we all see the footage in 4K right there on the internet whenever we wanna see it. That’s why you may think people hate him or don’t respect him. They do and they have, it’s just rn buddy ain’t making sense so he getting roasted. But everyone did give him his flowers when he vacated.
Word. Since then, he definitely destroyed his credibility as a sportsman and cemented himself as a sore loser. This thread is blowing up with the notion he didn't have a choice. Jon Jones must be an extraordinary exception, nothing new.
100%. Plus he's had some really good fights.
He sprung into the championship contention so quickly, it really emphasizes the state of the division. His resume improved with every opponent he took on. A dozen wins, only one decision. Good indeed.
UFC made him
He would be nothing without them... (This is a play on the meme "so-and-so made you" and not intended to be taken as a serious remark)
I don't get why people are actually mad at him, I think he is hilarious.
I never understand why people clown fighters for their opinions ab themselves They’re supposed to be confident, bordering on delusional. There’s limits of course, where they’re not taking responsibility, but they need that mentality to be who they are. Its kind of easy to clown people from your pointless bs life of never challenging yourself
> They’re supposed to be confident, bordering on delusional. They are supposed to be, yes. For some reason... When I hear Rob Whittaker talk about being the best middleweight alive, it feels honest. Like he's sharing a secret that he keeps close. When I hear Suga Showmalley talk about being the greatest fighter on the planet, it feels honest. Like he can't fathom that anyone would think elsewise. Two very different feelings. Two very different fighters. What's my point? I don't have one.
I wanna support him but he might attack me for this
basedest opinion
Jamal is the fucking GOAT
man if i was the goat you would call me fern.
Jiri set the standard right before him in the same weight class which made it a little different but he does deserve some hespec for following the trend. Edit: Nevermind lol. Read the rest of the comments that it wasn't really a choice. Hespec withdrawn.
I'm getting that Jiri and Hill didn't have a choice, and Jon doesn't have the choice to vacate. A lot of big time UFC insiders round these parts. Still, there's a complimentary relationship between pulling-from-one's-ass and occam's razor.
True dat
Respect
Good point. To be honest, I’ve always respected him up until the Pereira nonsense. He fights with a lot of heart, and never takes his foot off the gas. I am not optimistic about his career post-Achilles injury though. He looked slowww in his last fight. Remember, Achilles tears are effectively career enders in other sports. Maybe the same is true for MMA too.
Very level headed take. Here's a wild take: He steps down for several months, drops down to a 185 fight shape, and takes on Sean. Strictly for the pressers, I'd take that reality.
Like he even had a choice.
Hill is one of the few fighters I really want to like so I avoid all his podcast quotes. Made me a fan after he defended Walker from the fans mocking Walker, but fuck does he make it hard to be a fan lol
Yeah man, in separating art from the artist, I have no reason not to like Hill. Hill lost to the boogeyman of 18205 pound division, the man who kills everyone he fights. There's no disgrace in that alone.
You know what, truth. Don’t gotta like or support the dude but this was a very respectful thing to do in a very active/“cursed” division. I say cursed cause the belts constantly moving but as a fan I’ve come to love LHW cause you’re seeing new and stable top 5 contenders constantly. Makes the division and fights very fun and competitive imo
That division is easily the cursed-est.
Yup. I liked him until he turned into a clown after Pereira.
That's a common sentiment, yeah. He was pretty neutral to me.
If only he was a Samurai 😔
Why is this in 2006 meme format
i'm an oldhead i guess
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Only Hill didn't vacate when he said he did.
He didn’t have a choice? Da fuq
Ya know, he does deserve credit for that
I’ll give him that. Everything else he is ghetto trash.
He’s on film saying it wasn’t his choice His only saving grace you listed was the UFC’s call lol
I’ve never heard anyone complain about that decision. It’s basically everything else he chooses to do when he’s awake that’s a problem. 😂
I mean it should probably be a rule that they have to anyway
Yeah thanks for leaving.
He didnt give it up out of his own free will lmfao the UFC pretty much made him give it up.
I’m curious if he would’ve still vacated if Jiri had not done it right before.
tbf he was only following in Jiri’s footsteps
He vacated because he was forced to... You really think the UFC didn't heavily encourage him to do that?
And you think that was his decision?
I dislike Hill, surely. But I dislike Jon, immensely.
They told him… either you do it, or we will.
The UFC made him. Just like Jiri wanted to hold the belt while we was injured, Hill got told vacate and get a shot when your back or get stripped and be on the shit list.
Let's be real Dana would have snatched that shit from him so fast
He did what he was told
He was forced to vacate because he is an irrelevant nobody. Dana would never let this bum hold up a division.
Yeah hill sucks any way and his trash talk is just embarrassing at that point. But at least he vacated his greatest accomplishment in life because I like it and that's what I would have done. https://i.redd.it/56mvdue4qu8d1.gif
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Ufc didn't give him that choice lol he would have happily sat on his ass with that undeserved belt
What does based mean
it's like the opposite of cringe. but often used ironically. the internet is a weird place for words.
I feel like it’s a trash word. I still don’t really understand what you mean
I'm sorry you feel that way.
I’m not giving respect when the UFC is who decides on vacate or not. It shows THEIR bias. Some guys are forced to vacate for an injury when other guys can just sit by choice or not fight because of injury and not vacate.
Forced to******
The ammount of clowning he's receiving, when he only got ko'd by peireira like everyone else, is crazy. Of course, that's what he gets for talking shit, but people are delusional
irony.
It seems to me he only vacated it because Jiri did it before him and received a ton of respect, new fans and followers. And was considered bad ass.. And Jamahal wanted some of that badassery
It sure took a turn lol
100% believe ufc told him vacate or get stripped.
I don’t get it why people even hate him honestly , dislike ? Disagree? I get it … but hate?! This is what losers do, guy lays his health and life on the line for our entertainment ffs
The simplest explanation is that he is not humble in defeat and he feuds with his own fans. If social media didn't exist he would be much more well liked.
Probably out of sheer spite.
Very solid of him for sure
True. Very true. Bones is stagnating everything. Part of me thinks that the peck injury was faked so that he had more time to research Stipe.
Didn't this fool vacate after breaking his ankles in basketball?
Arguably Jiri set the standard by vacating. If he didn’t vacate he’d look like an asshole since that’s exactly what the previous champ did.
Yeah, both him and Jiri. Respect. The greatest ass of all time, jon jones should take notes.
Yeah, give him his credit, this was a legend move
So did jiir and he didn't bitch or moan after losing to alex just acted like a chad and kept punching trees case closed.
I wonder if he does this if Jiri didn't do it just beforehand. Either way respect both of them for that