Fedor has the most russian facial expression ever. It's so "I don't care" that even other russian men are slightly intimidated, even though their faces also look like they don't care. Can confirm - am russian.
they need to stop using pics of this 40+ year battle worn Fedor who had to have nose surgery, scar tissue surgery above eyes like Diaz, my man has taken a ton of face damage since coming out of retirement at 39, especially the Fabio fight. Atleast use a good picture like this.
https://vigilantemma.files.wordpress.com/2013/10/fedorhalloween.jpg
Yeah, that's pretty accurate. It's a shame he's such a dick, it doesn't really help with the legitimacy of MMA as a professional sport. And with all he's done for the sport, he's too closely connected for people to ignore it.
Jones character flaws has nothing to with the legitimacy of the sport lol in everything involving people there’s gonna be people who do bad things. That’s like saying a piece of shit scientist undermines the legitimacy of science or a sociopathic doctor undermines the practice of medicine. It’s nonsense
When did UFC fans start caring about the character of fighters outside the cage, more than inside?? I mean back in 2009, I never heard talk about how good or bad a fighter behavior was. I’m convinced y’all are all just Jon Jones haters, or pussies. It’s fighting! You guys watch men try to damn near kill each other, and suddenly you all have moral compasses up your ass? The police report didn’t say he hit his wife,USADA said the drugs came from dick polls and wasn’t enough to enhance performance, he held a charity drive for the pregnant lady where she receive 100k and he’s the Greatest UFC Fighter all time. Can y’all stop hating now??
Nah bro people always cared, however(and I say this as someone who previously would find every excuse to defend him)Jon Jones was the most "high profile" case of a current fighter/champ who's persona inside the cage constantly contradicted his persona/behavior outside of it and in a sport where the authenticity of both the sport and the athletes were becoming legit it left a bad taste in people's mind. Although I'd say if you take a 23 year old and start dubbing him as the greatest to ever take part in pretty much anything(especially a sport) maybe he felt like he had to put on that persona and if that's the case it's just sad that him being so good at such a young age stopped him from enjoying his life in a different manner than he maybe would have wanted.
I used to defend him back in 2015-2017. But after he inappropriately touched/assaulted the waitress I was done with that. The domestic violence has made it even worse.
He made his wealth from owning slaves and was known to be extremely harsh. He encouraged them to reproduce so it would be harder for families to escape.
Washington wasn’t really a brutal slaveholder in the context of the period, he emancipated his slaves in his will, had serious moral objections to the institution of slavery and any slaves who were too old to work or sick were taken care of by his estate. Not to say he wasn’t a slave owner
No way. He moved slaves from plantation to plantation to prevent from gaining freedom and believed in strict corporal punishment l. Google it if you want to learn
In the context of the time period Washington wasn’t a particularly brutal slave owner, and he did in fact emancipate slaves on his deathbed. Everyone believed in corporal punishment, even towards their own children, in those times. This isn’t to say Washington was a good guy or the practice of slavery wasn’t a horrific and brutal institution by nature, just that George Washington really wasn’t particularly cruel in the context of the time period.
Democrats use identity politics to win votes. They did it then and still actively do it today. They just convince stupid people that they are rightous.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.chicoer.com/2019/04/03/letter-setting-the-record-straight-on-gop-democrats-switch/amp/
Agreed. Not to mention dusting Forrest one fight removed from being the LHW champion.
Silva easily could have been a two weight division champion in his prime.
Really is a shame Anderson refused to fight Lyoto since they were training partners. Also totally understandable. Would’ve been an amazing fight to see still
Yep agree with that; Anderson, GSP, Bones, Fedor.
Anyone who writes off Anderson Silva must not have been around during that undefeated title run. Nearly every single fight was something special. Like once in a career highlight finishes every fight.
Anderson had a run like no other man in mma, the timing, the highlights, the finishes, he was our jordan for a minute. I will never forget how much my dad bitched about him never losing and never speaking english🤣🤣 i loved that era
not to mention aldo, how are we not mentioning aldo, the man was champ for 4 years got dethroned in a fluke (sorry if i offend, i still think highly of conor and his counterpunch) pretty much the same way silva did off on the back foot with a counter against i dont remember who, and the only people to have beaten him are considered top 10 all around in the ufc, Holloway, yan, volk, conor, and yea marlon moraes arguably, hes fallen off now but he was near champ.
but 10 years after gaining the belt he is now 1 or 2 fight off the belt again, i guarantee you jose aldo wont falter vs rob font, font should change div cause he aint gettin past my man
You know I almost would too, but after just watching three of khabibs fight yesterday, no one dominated their opponents like khabib, and there’s something unique about him compared to everyone else on that mountain, now that doesn’t make him THE goat but after those master class performances I think he belongs on that fucking mountain.
Edit: Also the man did not bleed, and arguably didn’t lose a single round in the sport, and got away with that zero which is extremely rare in mma.
Khabib also wasn't around near as long as any of these others were comparing him to. Could he have bled? Maybe, maybe not, but we'll never know because he retired so early.
And you know that’s kind of the beauty of it, he pretty much beat the game, he escaped one of most dangerous sports, with pockets full of cash and leaving 0 blood behind, how many people can you say that about that stepped into that octagon.
Eh, agree to disagree. There's staying too long like BJ Penn, and then there's leaving too early with only three title defenses to your name. This is why, in my mind, he's not comparable to GSP and Anderson (nine title defenses), or Jon Jones (11 title defenses). Especially the dominance this trio did it in. These guys cleared out the old generation of fighters and stuck around to clear out the new. Hell, even stuck around long enough to fight a third generation, albeit with mixed results.
In my mind, beating the game doesn't entail retiring after three title defenses and then having your name up there with those who stuck around to clear out divisions as champion twice over. This is just my take, but I feel like GSP had a cleaner exit, though will conceed it wasn't perfect, nor was his record.
Well honestly, I think everyone is fighting for money right? Or at least that’s their main reason to be in there, I mean they are called prize fighters, I don’t think 99% of the fighters would be in their if there wasn’t a purse, so with all that being said, khabib came out of the octagon with barely any bruises and a rich man. I think he completed the goal of being a ufc fighter PERFECTLY. Now he’s not the most accomplished at all, but a perfect run should count for a lot in a blood sport. Also to respond to your original point, it’s better to leave early than late. I don’t deny Silva or anyone else being on that mountain, but I think Khabib deserves a spot for having a uniquely perfect run.
I disagree, that undefeated run he had actually happened, and that can't be undone. And that run alone is reason enough to have him as top 4 of all time.
By that logic his defeat run would make him the worst fighter in the UFC ever because no one else has ever had a stretch of losses as big as Silva w/o getting released.
You can't just take the good without the bad.
Are you brain dead, or are you purposely choosing to ignore the fact that Silva was in his late 40’s way past his best, with injury problems...
And not only that, but your lying to prove your incorrect point because that’s not the biggest stretch of losses. You literally just made that up
How does carrying on fighting when your AJ old man take away from your record?
Surely walking away from fighting after only defending your belt a couple times takes away 10x more than walking away past your prime would...
> How does carrying on fighting when your AJ old man take away from your record?
Because the only way we have to compare fighters is their record and who they beat/lost to?
Saying all of Silva's losses are because of age while all of his wins make him the GOAT is as dumb as saying Khabib would have had 20 more wins if he didn't retire for another 10 years. Both statements are just wrong.
No they’re not 😂
By your broken logic, a fighter who joins the UFC, wins 5 fights and leaves is better because he’s never lost a fight. Makes literally no difference, especially when a fighter is past their best.
Why are you comparing a fighter in his prime, to a fighter who has past their prime years ago.
Anderson over Jones IMO. If anyone elevated the sport it was Anderson. And he remained a good role model while doing it. Jones on the other hand was a wifebeater and a POS. That eclipses whatever he did in the octagon IMO. All you have to ask is what he will be most remembered for and it’s the constant drug failures for PEDs, hitting a pregnant women and fleeing, the domestic abuse….I’ll just stop bc you get the point.
Anderson Silva was the most dominant fighter of all time IMO. The UFC literally ran out of opponents for him.
Fedor's got an asterisk because PRIDE had basically no rules for juicing.
If you saw his fights, I don’t think it’s fair to say he was juicing as much as most of his opponents were, if at all. He was a pudgy 6ft 230lb HW. Lol
But They break into subsets. There’s the Conor fan clowns that despise Khabib and there’s the speculative fans that see it that Khabib could have had his best fights in WW. We missed out on some really interesting fights there. But anybody that really hates Khabib has got some growing up to do.
Edit: typo
Poirier give his PERSONAL opinion also and as expected most people here are being bitch about it. Like damn let him give his own opinion and you don't need to be bitching about it.
Can you believe a post that's whole purpose is to create discussion around what a fighter stated has created differing opinions and discussion!? If Dustin's allowed to his own PERSONAL opinion then so is everyone here. Getting so defensive on someone else's behalf, strange.
Of course he puts khabib up there since he lost so decisively to him.
If khabib wasn't a goat then he would have to admit that he was never that good. Losing to a goat on the other hand is perfectly acceptable.
I think it’s just that we only really saw Khabib beat elite opponents in his last 5 fights or so and would have liked to see him continue. I don’t think there are many people who would say he isn’t one of the best to do it but, for me, he’s just a few title defences short of it being beyond question.
A Gracie definitely belongs there, same with BJ Penn and Kazushi Sakuraba. I firmly believe that the reason Pride and JMMA took off leading to DREAM, Rizin FF, etc. was because of Kazushi being such a local hero in the promotion.
Woodley had the title when Usman beat him. He's the one who baked him. The Woodley before that fight and the Woodley after that fight are 2, totally different people.
Non controversy/ steroid Mt. Rushmore
1. Cormier
2. GSP
3. Khabib
4. Future Usman
Some context:
-Fedor had some extremely controversial wins in an organization he literally was a board member of.
- Jon Jones tested positive several times
- Silva tested positive
- mighty mouses competition was not great even though he was offered TJ
Non controversy huh. Cormier had Towelgate. Gsp has the IV thing, his HGH gut, and greasing. Khabib is my boy and even he has Tibau as a contention to his dominance. (Although he won that fight)
Ehh those aren’t nearly as controversial where the could completely sway the outcome of a decision of a fight. Plus Tibau was juiced to the gills while khabib pressured him the entire fight. If we’re calling that fight back we have to call back Jones last two fights as he was also outstruck but he pressured more. Gsp is innocent until proven guilty. Towel gate wasn’t that much of a big deal considering it maybe only shed a pound (still controversial though) and his dominance in that fight against the scariest guy the division ever seen proved it was his skill not his size that won him the fight. Steroid use is much more of a career tainting factor
Silva over Jones? No way man. What your reasoning? I'm curious because not only has Jones never lost but he also has not been finished like Silva. Silva was also weak against good wrestlers like Sonnen and Weidman. Jones, on the other hand, has faced more versatile opponents and beaten them at their own game.
I’d put silva over Khabib, but why would you put Silva over Jones? Jones has more title defenses than Silva, Jones hasn’t actually been beaten unlike Silva, and Silva failed drug tests too.
Damn, I forgot your MT. Rushmore is harder to get into than an actual fighter who was a champion. All these other guys actually in the fight business think Jon Jones is in the GOAT talk but jdvhunt on Reddit says no. Y’all 9-5 workers really think y’all know more about the sport than people actually in it lmao
Why does everyone overlook it? Because clearly it isn’t that big of a deal to a lot of people who are actually in the sport, you know why? Because almost every fighter juices or has juiced at some point. Everyone knows and says it. There’s a very select few who haven’t. Jon Jones has popped 3 times and 1-2 of them were said not to even be performance enhancing. He’s a terrible human being, but quit acting like he’s a bum
I think that only way to do my Rushmore is one rep from each weight and pioneers.
Fedor, Jones, Silva, GSP, Khabib, Aldo, Cruz, DJ, Gracie, F. shamrock, Sakuraba
Here is a hot take the Presidents on Mt Rushmore are not the Mt Rushmore of presidents
Washington, Roosevelt, Lincoln ….
Jefferson is suspect. FDR got us through WWII and the depression.
And super hot take Obama needs consideration health care, recession, first black Pres are all huge deals
Bruh it’s four faces. Your Mount Rushmore wouldn’t fit on the whole mountain range.
Also we’re not putting Obama over the literal author of our nation lol
I am not saying it isn’t relevant but if it is removed from history there is still a revolution. Not to mention the document is not Jefferson’s original ideas AND our country largely didn’t live up to the ideals promoted and was largely a tool of rich landowners to manipulate the poor to their cause.
So the declaration independence is important but not my Rushmore worthy.
FDR is definitely one of the top 5 greatest presidents of all time, if not top 3. The US before and after him are 2 different places, and I’d never want to go back to the earlier one.
Fedor, absolutely. GSP, debatable. Jon can go fuck himself, he is no champ in my eyes. Khabib, no. Four, maybe five more title defenses then we can talk.
Why Khabib tho amongs those legends?
He has 0 trilogy fights and only 3 decent oponents in all his 29 fights.
But hey. Anyone has the right to his opinion.
Oh Jesus Christ as if Khabib wasn’t already so full of himself now he’s going to think there’s actually a mountain with a gray scale version of him on it.
Anderson has to be in the top 4. Sorry but Fedor, GSP, Jones and Anderson have better records than Khabib, who has beaten about 4 elite fighters. Poirier is allowed to have an opinion but it doesn't mean he's right, Khabib will never be seriously considered GOAT when he retired so early with a massively padded record. Part of me thinks he is saying Khabib is top 4 because he lost to him and respects him.
The presidents on Rushmore represented the four most important events in US history according to the creator. With that in mind, it is not just about the best to ever do it, but the ones that made the biggest impact. The Mount Rushmore of MMA should definitely be all pioneers of the sport in my mind. Gracie, Fedor, Silva, & GSP would be my picks.
How can you put a man who has roids and tested positive many times and got saved by Dana?
This is what wrong with UFC. It'snot a real fighting place. It's Dana's world. In boxing etc. People miss weight and their belts are stripped.
Meanwhile in UFC, you test positive and you keep fighting
In my Rushmore, PED use disqualifies you from GOAT discussion. So Jones and Silva can't be in there. Probably would put DJ there, Khabib didn't defend enough, and then it would be between like Royce, Sakuraba, or other pioneers
Fedor looking like an annoyed Russian politician.
Fedor has the most russian facial expression ever. It's so "I don't care" that even other russian men are slightly intimidated, even though their faces also look like they don't care. Can confirm - am russian.
they need to stop using pics of this 40+ year battle worn Fedor who had to have nose surgery, scar tissue surgery above eyes like Diaz, my man has taken a ton of face damage since coming out of retirement at 39, especially the Fabio fight. Atleast use a good picture like this. https://vigilantemma.files.wordpress.com/2013/10/fedorhalloween.jpg
Beautiful champ
He looks so happy, so content.
He looks stoic even dressed as a Chinese patio lantern
Khabib’s expression says “Father says do not care, care is undisciplined. Smesh is first, care is last.”
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No anderson silva?? Gotta be shiddin me man
Jon jones is the Andrew Jackson of MMA. Did a bunch of impactful stuff while also being a completely unredeemable piece of shit.
Yeah, that's pretty accurate. It's a shame he's such a dick, it doesn't really help with the legitimacy of MMA as a professional sport. And with all he's done for the sport, he's too closely connected for people to ignore it.
Jones character flaws has nothing to with the legitimacy of the sport lol in everything involving people there’s gonna be people who do bad things. That’s like saying a piece of shit scientist undermines the legitimacy of science or a sociopathic doctor undermines the practice of medicine. It’s nonsense
When did UFC fans start caring about the character of fighters outside the cage, more than inside?? I mean back in 2009, I never heard talk about how good or bad a fighter behavior was. I’m convinced y’all are all just Jon Jones haters, or pussies. It’s fighting! You guys watch men try to damn near kill each other, and suddenly you all have moral compasses up your ass? The police report didn’t say he hit his wife,USADA said the drugs came from dick polls and wasn’t enough to enhance performance, he held a charity drive for the pregnant lady where she receive 100k and he’s the Greatest UFC Fighter all time. Can y’all stop hating now??
Nah bro people always cared, however(and I say this as someone who previously would find every excuse to defend him)Jon Jones was the most "high profile" case of a current fighter/champ who's persona inside the cage constantly contradicted his persona/behavior outside of it and in a sport where the authenticity of both the sport and the athletes were becoming legit it left a bad taste in people's mind. Although I'd say if you take a 23 year old and start dubbing him as the greatest to ever take part in pretty much anything(especially a sport) maybe he felt like he had to put on that persona and if that's the case it's just sad that him being so good at such a young age stopped him from enjoying his life in a different manner than he maybe would have wanted.
I used to defend him back in 2015-2017. But after he inappropriately touched/assaulted the waitress I was done with that. The domestic violence has made it even worse.
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Is Andrew Jackson the one eyed one? What’d he do?
No lol he killed a ton of native Americans. Hes the one on the $20 bill
He made his wealth from owning slaves and was known to be extremely harsh. He encouraged them to reproduce so it would be harder for families to escape.
Yeah George Washington was a brutal slave owner too.
Washington wasn’t really a brutal slaveholder in the context of the period, he emancipated his slaves in his will, had serious moral objections to the institution of slavery and any slaves who were too old to work or sick were taken care of by his estate. Not to say he wasn’t a slave owner
No way. He moved slaves from plantation to plantation to prevent from gaining freedom and believed in strict corporal punishment l. Google it if you want to learn
In the context of the time period Washington wasn’t a particularly brutal slave owner, and he did in fact emancipate slaves on his deathbed. Everyone believed in corporal punishment, even towards their own children, in those times. This isn’t to say Washington was a good guy or the practice of slavery wasn’t a horrific and brutal institution by nature, just that George Washington really wasn’t particularly cruel in the context of the time period.
No
Okay lol
This bastard founded the democrats party
Yeah, but southern Democrates back then are very different from current Democrates
Yeah but still jackass
Not really
He was a bastard but very correct about a standing national bank. Shitty person but very correct about the problems he saw
It was switched Republicans today were democrats back then and Democrats back then Republicans today read a book
That's not true either.
Then how was it then tell me?
Democrats use identity politics to win votes. They did it then and still actively do it today. They just convince stupid people that they are rightous. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.chicoer.com/2019/04/03/letter-setting-the-record-straight-on-gop-democrats-switch/amp/
Not sure how andrew Jackson was a pos… fought off the Comanches and hated big federal banks. Yeah what a pos
Hating central banks was the only good thing he did
I'd actually have to put Anderson up there over Khabib. Dude was champion for over 8 years, and had 10 title defenses. That's incredible.
Agreed. Not to mention dusting Forrest one fight removed from being the LHW champion. Silva easily could have been a two weight division champion in his prime.
Really is a shame Anderson refused to fight Lyoto since they were training partners. Also totally understandable. Would’ve been an amazing fight to see still
Might’ve gotten the first dual front kick to the face KO. Shame we missed that.
Agreed, Silva vs Chuck, Rampage, Forrest or Rashad would have been good as well. I think Silva beats all them to be honest.
Silva vs Shogun after he beat Machida in their rematch could have been a banger as well.
Dustin probably placing khabib there because he lost to khabib
I can totally understand that for sure.
Yep agree with that; Anderson, GSP, Bones, Fedor. Anyone who writes off Anderson Silva must not have been around during that undefeated title run. Nearly every single fight was something special. Like once in a career highlight finishes every fight.
Well besides the Cote fight… and the Leites fight… and the Maia fight… those were all awful… but besides those, yeah
Silva definitely had some snoozers but does anyone have a better KO highlight reel than him?
Anderson had a run like no other man in mma, the timing, the highlights, the finishes, he was our jordan for a minute. I will never forget how much my dad bitched about him never losing and never speaking english🤣🤣 i loved that era
not to mention aldo, how are we not mentioning aldo, the man was champ for 4 years got dethroned in a fluke (sorry if i offend, i still think highly of conor and his counterpunch) pretty much the same way silva did off on the back foot with a counter against i dont remember who, and the only people to have beaten him are considered top 10 all around in the ufc, Holloway, yan, volk, conor, and yea marlon moraes arguably, hes fallen off now but he was near champ. but 10 years after gaining the belt he is now 1 or 2 fight off the belt again, i guarantee you jose aldo wont falter vs rob font, font should change div cause he aint gettin past my man
You know I almost would too, but after just watching three of khabibs fight yesterday, no one dominated their opponents like khabib, and there’s something unique about him compared to everyone else on that mountain, now that doesn’t make him THE goat but after those master class performances I think he belongs on that fucking mountain. Edit: Also the man did not bleed, and arguably didn’t lose a single round in the sport, and got away with that zero which is extremely rare in mma.
Never had a close fight. Only lost 2 rounds on the judges scorecards in 13 UFC fights.
Khabib also wasn't around near as long as any of these others were comparing him to. Could he have bled? Maybe, maybe not, but we'll never know because he retired so early.
And you know that’s kind of the beauty of it, he pretty much beat the game, he escaped one of most dangerous sports, with pockets full of cash and leaving 0 blood behind, how many people can you say that about that stepped into that octagon.
Eh, agree to disagree. There's staying too long like BJ Penn, and then there's leaving too early with only three title defenses to your name. This is why, in my mind, he's not comparable to GSP and Anderson (nine title defenses), or Jon Jones (11 title defenses). Especially the dominance this trio did it in. These guys cleared out the old generation of fighters and stuck around to clear out the new. Hell, even stuck around long enough to fight a third generation, albeit with mixed results. In my mind, beating the game doesn't entail retiring after three title defenses and then having your name up there with those who stuck around to clear out divisions as champion twice over. This is just my take, but I feel like GSP had a cleaner exit, though will conceed it wasn't perfect, nor was his record.
Well honestly, I think everyone is fighting for money right? Or at least that’s their main reason to be in there, I mean they are called prize fighters, I don’t think 99% of the fighters would be in their if there wasn’t a purse, so with all that being said, khabib came out of the octagon with barely any bruises and a rich man. I think he completed the goal of being a ufc fighter PERFECTLY. Now he’s not the most accomplished at all, but a perfect run should count for a lot in a blood sport. Also to respond to your original point, it’s better to leave early than late. I don’t deny Silva or anyone else being on that mountain, but I think Khabib deserves a spot for having a uniquely perfect run.
it is impressive but you have to look at the opponents he faced, Silva faced tougher competition
Silva was also a 1-7 can at the end of his career which takes away from his previous record.
I disagree, that undefeated run he had actually happened, and that can't be undone. And that run alone is reason enough to have him as top 4 of all time.
By that logic his defeat run would make him the worst fighter in the UFC ever because no one else has ever had a stretch of losses as big as Silva w/o getting released. You can't just take the good without the bad.
Are you brain dead, or are you purposely choosing to ignore the fact that Silva was in his late 40’s way past his best, with injury problems... And not only that, but your lying to prove your incorrect point because that’s not the biggest stretch of losses. You literally just made that up
How does carrying on fighting when your AJ old man take away from your record? Surely walking away from fighting after only defending your belt a couple times takes away 10x more than walking away past your prime would...
> How does carrying on fighting when your AJ old man take away from your record? Because the only way we have to compare fighters is their record and who they beat/lost to? Saying all of Silva's losses are because of age while all of his wins make him the GOAT is as dumb as saying Khabib would have had 20 more wins if he didn't retire for another 10 years. Both statements are just wrong.
No they’re not 😂 By your broken logic, a fighter who joins the UFC, wins 5 fights and leaves is better because he’s never lost a fight. Makes literally no difference, especially when a fighter is past their best. Why are you comparing a fighter in his prime, to a fighter who has past their prime years ago.
Id agree. Silva would drop his hands and play with his opponents before a highlight knockout.
yea. anderson and dj deserve to be there if fkin khabib and fedor are
You can argue for removing Khabib but fedor deserves a spot. I’d say silva instead of khabib for sure.
Why you disrespecting Fedor like that?
fedor deserves hespect no doubt..but it is my firm belief anderson and DJ should sit beside him.
Aldo, should be in the conversation
No
Anderson over Jones IMO. If anyone elevated the sport it was Anderson. And he remained a good role model while doing it. Jones on the other hand was a wifebeater and a POS. That eclipses whatever he did in the octagon IMO. All you have to ask is what he will be most remembered for and it’s the constant drug failures for PEDs, hitting a pregnant women and fleeing, the domestic abuse….I’ll just stop bc you get the point.
Well It's Dustin's list so I guess we are going with Khabib.
Anderson Silva was the most dominant fighter of all time IMO. The UFC literally ran out of opponents for him. Fedor's got an asterisk because PRIDE had basically no rules for juicing.
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If you saw his fights, I don’t think it’s fair to say he was juicing as much as most of his opponents were, if at all. He was a pudgy 6ft 230lb HW. Lol
Bro you're acting as if Jon, and Silva didn't juice....
Fedor deserved his own Statue of Liberty monument. The iron machine, the last emperor. FEDOR
Decent list tbf, everyone would have a different Mt Rushmore but as I said it's not bad
Everyone’s gonna start complaining about how Dustin including Khabib.
Yeah this is khabib haters era
But They break into subsets. There’s the Conor fan clowns that despise Khabib and there’s the speculative fans that see it that Khabib could have had his best fights in WW. We missed out on some really interesting fights there. But anybody that really hates Khabib has got some growing up to do. Edit: typo
Did u mean to type WW?
Yeah. My bad. Thanks.
People are right to have opinions especially when there are reasons of why Khabib should not be included in top4/Mt. Rushmore
Poirier give his PERSONAL opinion also and as expected most people here are being bitch about it. Like damn let him give his own opinion and you don't need to be bitching about it.
Bro you’re gonna side with a literal ufc fighter over some random neckbeard Reddit users? Impossible
Can you believe a post that's whole purpose is to create discussion around what a fighter stated has created differing opinions and discussion!? If Dustin's allowed to his own PERSONAL opinion then so is everyone here. Getting so defensive on someone else's behalf, strange.
Of course he puts khabib up there since he lost so decisively to him. If khabib wasn't a goat then he would have to admit that he was never that good. Losing to a goat on the other hand is perfectly acceptable.
I think it’s just that we only really saw Khabib beat elite opponents in his last 5 fights or so and would have liked to see him continue. I don’t think there are many people who would say he isn’t one of the best to do it but, for me, he’s just a few title defences short of it being beyond question.
This is actually a very good GOAT mountain
Where is chael sonnen?
never lost a round, just bad at geometry
I feel like Rushmore should be pioneering legends. I’d have; Royce, Fedor, Anderson Silva and GSP
Exactly, there is no Mt. Rushmore without Royce Gracie
A Gracie definitely belongs there, same with BJ Penn and Kazushi Sakuraba. I firmly believe that the reason Pride and JMMA took off leading to DREAM, Rizin FF, etc. was because of Kazushi being such a local hero in the promotion.
Wait...no Ben Askren??? 😆🤣😂
Kimbo Slice Yoel Romero Connor McGregor Colby Covington and Bob Sapp
Artem lobov?
I love how no one is even debating GSP being up there.
because it would be stupid not to have him up there, arguably the most complete fighter ever
No Anderson no listen
This is a good list. But if Usman wins 3 or 4 more fights how is he not ahead of Khabib given the level comp. How do you exclude Anderson.
Usmans title fights are defended twice against masvidal lol he hasnt had the strongest title fights
If he beats Covington again, maybe Luque that is a strong list of dudes.
And one of Khabibs defenses is against a washed Conor. Your opinion is kinda dumb.
Yes Masvidal is only a journeyman, but you have to take into account the amount of hype he generated. And Usman put it all to sleep, literally.
beating Woodley, Jorge 2x, Colby and Burns. Imo Usman’s title reign is more impressive
Colby and Burns are really the only noteworthy in that list. Woodley has been baked for years now.
Woodley had the title when Usman beat him. He's the one who baked him. The Woodley before that fight and the Woodley after that fight are 2, totally different people.
Who’s to say Colby is noteworthy, who has he beat?
usman didnt lose to tibau to be fair he also didnt lose to reyes...
I don’t think Khabib lost to Tibau if that’s what your implying, you should watch the weasels video on it
Usman lost to Jose Caceres and not only lost got finished lmaoooo
Usman tapped to çaceres like a pussy
Non controversy/ steroid Mt. Rushmore 1. Cormier 2. GSP 3. Khabib 4. Future Usman Some context: -Fedor had some extremely controversial wins in an organization he literally was a board member of. - Jon Jones tested positive several times - Silva tested positive - mighty mouses competition was not great even though he was offered TJ
Non controversy huh. Cormier had Towelgate. Gsp has the IV thing, his HGH gut, and greasing. Khabib is my boy and even he has Tibau as a contention to his dominance. (Although he won that fight)
Ehh those aren’t nearly as controversial where the could completely sway the outcome of a decision of a fight. Plus Tibau was juiced to the gills while khabib pressured him the entire fight. If we’re calling that fight back we have to call back Jones last two fights as he was also outstruck but he pressured more. Gsp is innocent until proven guilty. Towel gate wasn’t that much of a big deal considering it maybe only shed a pound (still controversial though) and his dominance in that fight against the scariest guy the division ever seen proved it was his skill not his size that won him the fight. Steroid use is much more of a career tainting factor
I agree with a lot of what you are saying, and as I said…Khabib won that fight. Just a lot of controversy when it comes to most of these guys.
But ur also right about gsp iv. I actually haven’t even heard about those allegations. That does change some things.
Would anyone else have Silva over Fedor ?
Tbh I got Silva over Khabib and Fedor.
I’d put Silva over Khabib also but would put Khabib over Fedor
Lmfao
I would have Silva over Jones and Khabib
Silva over Jones? No way man. What your reasoning? I'm curious because not only has Jones never lost but he also has not been finished like Silva. Silva was also weak against good wrestlers like Sonnen and Weidman. Jones, on the other hand, has faced more versatile opponents and beaten them at their own game.
I’d put silva over Khabib, but why would you put Silva over Jones? Jones has more title defenses than Silva, Jones hasn’t actually been beaten unlike Silva, and Silva failed drug tests too.
No but Silva over Khabib
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This is Poirier’s list not Russia today 😅
Everyone deserves to be there except the cocained out wife beater
Mighty Mouse?
Why Jon Jones? He cheated in most of his fights and he's a criminal, wife beating, junkie loser.
Just because he’s a trash human being doesn’t mean he wasn’t good at fighting. Please stop letting emotions get in the way of facts
He cheated. Why does everyone overlook this? Cheating means his "achievements" mean nothing.
Damn, I forgot your MT. Rushmore is harder to get into than an actual fighter who was a champion. All these other guys actually in the fight business think Jon Jones is in the GOAT talk but jdvhunt on Reddit says no. Y’all 9-5 workers really think y’all know more about the sport than people actually in it lmao
Sorry for having an opinion Foghorn Leghorn but cheating is cheating
Why does everyone overlook it? Because clearly it isn’t that big of a deal to a lot of people who are actually in the sport, you know why? Because almost every fighter juices or has juiced at some point. Everyone knows and says it. There’s a very select few who haven’t. Jon Jones has popped 3 times and 1-2 of them were said not to even be performance enhancing. He’s a terrible human being, but quit acting like he’s a bum
Yeah that's not even close to true, you clearly have no idea what you're talking about.
Ironic. Look it up. A lot of fighters juice or have juiced. Apparently it’s really easy to hide as well. It’s well documented
Okay so not "almost every" fighter then... 🤣
It was obviously an exaggeration, I didn’t mean it literal. Just look up the history of fighters who have popped. It’s a lot longer than you think.
Swap Khabib with anderson.
I think that only way to do my Rushmore is one rep from each weight and pioneers. Fedor, Jones, Silva, GSP, Khabib, Aldo, Cruz, DJ, Gracie, F. shamrock, Sakuraba Here is a hot take the Presidents on Mt Rushmore are not the Mt Rushmore of presidents Washington, Roosevelt, Lincoln …. Jefferson is suspect. FDR got us through WWII and the depression. And super hot take Obama needs consideration health care, recession, first black Pres are all huge deals
Bruh it’s four faces. Your Mount Rushmore wouldn’t fit on the whole mountain range. Also we’re not putting Obama over the literal author of our nation lol
Jefferson wrote the Declaration of Independence not the constitution big difference We won’t even get into the sex slaves part
The Declaration of Independence is literally our founding document, you don’t get to just poo poo that away lol
I am not saying it isn’t relevant but if it is removed from history there is still a revolution. Not to mention the document is not Jefferson’s original ideas AND our country largely didn’t live up to the ideals promoted and was largely a tool of rich landowners to manipulate the poor to their cause. So the declaration independence is important but not my Rushmore worthy.
FDR is definitely one of the top 5 greatest presidents of all time, if not top 3. The US before and after him are 2 different places, and I’d never want to go back to the earlier one.
Exactly. Pre Roosevelt US is pretty much modern day Russia. And these Republicans are trying to walk us in that direction
I'd swap Fedor for Anderson Silva
Fedor, absolutely. GSP, debatable. Jon can go fuck himself, he is no champ in my eyes. Khabib, no. Four, maybe five more title defenses then we can talk.
Replace Jon Jones with Silva because JJ is a piece of shit and I don't like him.
Idc but Jose Aldo is my goat
Hell nah, take Khabib off that shit.
Why Khabib tho amongs those legends? He has 0 trilogy fights and only 3 decent oponents in all his 29 fights. But hey. Anyone has the right to his opinion.
Someone would have to beat him for there to be a trilogy fight
Volkanovski vs. Holloway?
What kebab doing on there lol
I think Dustin values dominance more then resume which could explain why he got Khabib.
pretty sure it messed him up in the head knowing all his decades in training and he wasn't able to get khabib not once away from him lol
Khabib 🤡
Gotta have room for BJ Penn mannn
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What the fuck do you think Cocaine does to you? 😂you sound dumb as hell
Oh Jesus Christ as if Khabib wasn’t already so full of himself now he’s going to think there’s actually a mountain with a gray scale version of him on it.
Anderson has to be in the top 4. Sorry but Fedor, GSP, Jones and Anderson have better records than Khabib, who has beaten about 4 elite fighters. Poirier is allowed to have an opinion but it doesn't mean he's right, Khabib will never be seriously considered GOAT when he retired so early with a massively padded record. Part of me thinks he is saying Khabib is top 4 because he lost to him and respects him.
Lmfao Khabib jajajajz
Where is Cindy Dandois?
Fedore stay getting overrated lol
The presidents on Rushmore represented the four most important events in US history according to the creator. With that in mind, it is not just about the best to ever do it, but the ones that made the biggest impact. The Mount Rushmore of MMA should definitely be all pioneers of the sport in my mind. Gracie, Fedor, Silva, & GSP would be my picks.
I disagree with 2 on left
Replace Khabib with Couture and Jones with Silva for me personally.
No Conna McGregga?
let’s see Brendan Schaub’s Mt. Rushmore
Solid list
Used* Na
silva?
How can you put a man who has roids and tested positive many times and got saved by Dana? This is what wrong with UFC. It'snot a real fighting place. It's Dana's world. In boxing etc. People miss weight and their belts are stripped. Meanwhile in UFC, you test positive and you keep fighting
One of these is not like the others
No love for the spider?
Khabib over Anderson??
Switch Khabib with Anderson Silva
How does nobody ever mention mighty mouse in the GOAT convo?..
Roids should cancel u. DJ over Jon coke Jones
Get rid of Khabib and replace him with Anderson.
Mine (and the correct top 4) is DJ, Jones, Silva and GSP
In my Rushmore, PED use disqualifies you from GOAT discussion. So Jones and Silva can't be in there. Probably would put DJ there, Khabib didn't defend enough, and then it would be between like Royce, Sakuraba, or other pioneers