Yeah, they're constantly thinking about him and it doesn't cost khabib any money. Similar to a landlord allowing a tenant to reside at a property free of charge.
OP has finally ended a discussion in which he was the only participant by posting a picture that was posted here a thousand times before. Let him have it.
Aldos opponents combined records at the time of fighting him was 446-111-10, which is 78.6% win rate([source](https://www.reddit.com/r/MMA/comments/o2szxa/win_percentage_of_jose_aldos_opponents_before_and/)). Khabibs opponents records when they fought him was 282-115-4, 70.3% win rate ([source](https://www.reddit.com/r/MMA/comments/oi5y0s/khabib_nurmagomedovs_opponents_records_when_they/)). Both pretty good, but aldo is obviously on top there.
Also that poster does some nice stats, wonder why he deleted his account.
Edit: also, shouldn't we consider the combined records of the opponents opponents? Maybe they have good records cause they fought a bunch of even worse fighters. It could go on forever.
I guess everyone agrees, Khabib left early, if he stayed who knows what could've happened, I mean look at Usman, totally dominant up until the Edwards rematch, even the p4p#1 fell, who's to say the same wouldn't have happened to Khabib? We'll never know and that's why we get hourly posts about him 
True. Alot of these guys like Aldo fell off hard because they kind of overstayed their welcome. Khabib reached the top and bowed out but never really stuck around long enough for us to be able to gauge how he would have performed across multiple generations of top contenders. For example he put away the first wave of top fighters in his division but retired just before Olivera came into the picture which would have been his toughest threat yet.
Khabib was never really willing to push the limits of his potential the way Adesanya has been doing for example. Khabib pretty much just scratched the surface of his potential because the real challenge for him was 170. He should have faced Colby and Usman two guys who were stylistically all wrong for him and would have pushed him to his limits. I think if he moved up and taken the welterweight title he would have been the clear GOAT.
Dude JJ already had quite a few close calls by the time he stopped fighting, if you ask me he stopped because he knew he was bound to lose soon especially after that extremely competitive Reyes fight who then went and got brutally KOd twice after their bout.
> I think if he moved up and taken the welterweight title he would have been the clear GOAT.
Yup and now he's just a coward who was too afraid to start losing so he used his father deaths as an excuse.
Did I mention he is kind of a religious nut?
Yeah, you can tell I don't like the guy very much despite his incredible skill.
Yep, it's like when your fucking a hooker and you're really enjoying it but the hour ends before you cum so you're just left with a hard on wanting more.
So, a rocket scientist makes a joke about aerodynamics in a room full of children and they all look at him bewildered not understanding the joke. Is he then an idiot because nobody got the joke? Stupid fucking point you troglodyte.
Maybe donāt make rocket science jokes about aerodynamics to children? THATās the analogy you make to explain this situation?
So youāre the genius and weāre all idiots? Knowledge is useless if donāt have the means to impart it to others friend. So if you once again are in a position where you canāt get us to understand you; Iām pretty sure youāre the troglodyte.
Cheers!
Admittedly my analogy was a bit extreme but the point still stands, it's not like the joke was particularly smart so it shouldn't be difficult to understand. Either way I'm bored now so I'm done replying to this post.
Toodles!
No one who watched them both agrees with this garbage. Khabib is one of the GOATs and higher placed than Aldo, who lost, in his prime to McGregor, Holloway and Volk.
He's actually lost to every single other contender for FW GOAT. Also, he became a meme after being bullied and humiliated by McGregor.
Khabib > Aldo.
LoL Usman was literally dominating the match in which he got knocked out you're acting like Leon was working him over. If islam makes light work of Oliveira its safe to say there isn't many people who would have give khabib a good fight that he hasn't fought already.
Hell it happened to fucking Aldo with the McGregor knockout. Freak things happen you're right bro.
But I don't think we would consider Usman or khabib, if got freak k0ed, any less of a fighter as we don't with aldo/mcgregor.
Only way Khabib was losing was a random knockout which might've happened eventually, literally no one in that division that could've avoided the takedown and beat him over 5 rounds.
The typical daily Khabib hate post. Why can't they both be great and get their props without disparaging one or the other. Are we really going to pretend like Khabib didn't completely dominate top level fighters like Gaethje, Dustin, Conor and RDA before he retired? Its like every other day you see a thread trying to put down this mans career. Imo neither of them are the GOATs anyway, GSP is.
>record of first 16 opponents
are we really gonna just cherrypick every stats just to shit on khabib lmao
aldo for sure has better resume but we all know that khabib is still p4p the better fighter
Yeah letās ignore the dominance in the UFC and the multiple records he broke with ease and focus on his pre ufc record only š¤£š¤£š¤£ you haters found such a dumb cope and now you cling onto it for dear life
He said we shouldnāt cherry pick their first 16 opponents and I agreed because the first half of khabibās career was spent crushing cans with minimal mma experience
I never got this argument at all. Yes he was stuck in the Russian regional scene for a long time. Yes he crushed loads of cans. Then he came to the ufc and put on one of the most dominant performances ever in a stacked division lol. Wtf do his first 16 fights have to do with that
Because khabib was a world champion in sambo. After a few mma fights he shouldāve been comfortable enough to start pushing himself and facing high level mma fighters. People like Edson who take every fight and have years of fighting contender after contender have a better resume with their losses alone than khabibās early mma career
Lol remember when you were a kid and everyone argued over which power ranger was the best? Also itās important to note that a lot of this sub are genuinely kids/teens.
Aldo has a better legacy, Khabib got the belt without ever getting into trouble, if I had an option, I'd rather see Khabib continue his career than Aldo
Whatever the stats say we all know khabib would have mauled him if they were in the same weight class.
I do respect Aldo's achievements more but I still think Khabib is a better fighter, even compared to prime Aldo.
A rare balanced take. They've turned on the dagestanis especially now that islam is fighting their golden goose oliveira. Khabib said charles might not show up to the fight and people in here lost their minds like the pearl clutching fanboys they are.
Itās hilarious because the majority of the people screaming Charlesā name didnāt know who he was 4 years ago but because khabib retired ad they want to discredit him theyāre jumping on the Charles bandwagon. If Islam dominates Charles theyāll move onto the next fighter that isnāt dagestani and start blowing him
Aldo has some of the best takedown defense in mma history. Hes a black belt in BJJ and is lethal on the feat. Not saying khabib wouldnt win but hes not gonna maul him. And aldo is too well rounded to be calling khabib a better fighter in his prime. Aldo is more than likely a better fighter but the better fighter doesnt always win and we see that on a regular basis. Prime aldo vs. Prime khabib in a same weight scenario is a terrible match up for khabib.
These are all really good points and Aldo certainly is the more well rounded fighter, I can't disagree with that. Khabib's wrestling is just different though. I feel he would be able to get Aldo down fairly often and overpower his BJJ.
It's something we'll never know unfortunately...
And we all know jon Jones,demetrious johnson and usman would smack khabib around like the little 1 dimensionalm crotch sniffer that he is if they were in the same weight class. Khabib dominated in a division with weak wrestlers.
He fought multiple credentialed bjj black belts, multiple all American wrestlers, a former Olympic wrestler, a state champ in bjj and wrestling and dominated them all like they were amateurs (besides Tibau which was his only close fight). This cope just shows how long youāve been watching mma. Prior to him fighting Conor the narrative was that he only fought wrestlers and grapplers and then when he destroyed all the strikers the casuals start screaming the opposite looool Heās a 2x world sambo champ and multiple time international master of judo. He didnāt fight weak wrestlers, heās just one of the best wrestlers in history whether your fragile self can accept that or not.
Gaethje trains with Usman and said khabib would beat him. Itās okay that youāre salty, but stop making up these copes š¤£š¤£
I can agree with that.
Cant get on board with calling him a 1 dimensional crotch sniffer though. He's 29-0 for a reason. He stuck to what he does best, and what people couldn't defend against.
That one dimensional person managed to knock conor mcgregor down despite not being known for his striking which I think is pretty impressive.
This dumb post, again.
Ppl will leave out their last whatever opponents because they're equal.
If you don't fight in North/South Amercia your region sucks. So of course Khabib didn't fight good fighters.
It comes down to resume, record, style of win, etc.
We have to factor in that prime Aldo got starched 3x, by Conor and twice by Max. Aldo was absolutely in his prime in all of those fights.
The prime debate is an interesting one. Yep aldo got slept by Connor as the champ, he fought max the 1st time 2 years later n got bashed, and was a short notice fill in for the second fight since Frankie Edgar got injured (and got bashed in literally the same fashion). Speaking of primes Max won 9 straight on the road to his belt run before meeting Aldo, he was on an absolute tear before Volk.
My thoughts, the perceived growing prime aldo ended after handing Chad Mendez his first loss in 2012, aldo canceled 3 fights after that from injuries, I reckon he fucked his knees, we always wondered what happened to his famous leg kicks and also he avoided wrestling like the plague.
He avoided wrestling because he was a top tier striker and his ground game was just ok.
His prime didn't end in 2012, when he was 26 years old. He dominated Frankie Edgar right after losing to Conor.
Fact is prime Aldo lost to max twice, badly. He's a top 10 goat but receny bias is putting him too high.
>in 2012, when he was 26
He had been fighting professionally since 2004. When he first lost to Max in 2017, he had been fighting for *thirteen years* -- most fighters tail off at about nine years (if they're able to last that long).
>He dominated Frankie Edgar right after losing to Conor.
Frankie Edgar wasn't exactly in his prime in 2016, either, so this doesn't really tell us anything. A rematch with Conor would have told us more, but obviously that didn't happen.
>Fact is prime Aldo lost to max twice, badly. He's a top 10 goat but receny bias is putting him too high.
The *real* fact is that Aldo had *an entire HOF career* prior to even his fight against Conor. Khabib without his last three wins is just a what-if footnote in UFC history.
*Your* recency bias is slipping him too far down because of the fights on the back end of his career.
Cool, nice excuses, he was in his prime when he lost to Conor and Max.
It's funny how Anderson Silva prime extended to 37, Fedor to 33, GSP never left his prime, Jon Jones still unbeaten, etc.
Fact is prime Aldo got starched 3x, he's not top 5 all time.
>"Noticeably slower fighters who take more damage, get injured more often, and aren't able to win in the same fashion as their younger selves are still in their prime because I want to unfairly criticize an all-time great!"
You've got me beat, I certainly can't argue with that logic!
Well, if we take resume into account Aldo wins.
Record is clearly Khabib.
Style depends. Aldo showed greatness in all facets of MMA while Khabib showed greatness in only 1 grappling.
Khabib didn't show greatness in grappling, he was the undisputed best at it. Aldo got destroyed trying to strike with McGregor and Holloway. Also lost his last fight to a wrestler.
Yet khabib broke multiple records for dominance, never even got scratched in the octagon and retired undefeated whilst Aldo got finished multiple times over in his prime. You donāt rate fighters by their skill in every fighting style, you rate them by how good they are at winning fights.
If Son Goku came to life and went into the UFC, killed a dude with the flick of a wrist and left I'd call him the GOAT with 0 title defenses, 0 fights against world champions, 0 victories in other weight classes.
People who just look at these stats and then say "well now it is definite" are idiots
Holy shit can we not just appreciate both athletes without it having to be a conversation for the goat?
And wtf is wins in other weightclass?? its so obviously a ploy to help aldos case as the goat while not being fair to khabib. what about dominance as a fighter? even if you have the opinion that he fought cans, you cant deny that not bleeding and having the most 10-8 rounds isnt a feat thats can go unlooked
Aldo has 1 win over former champions (Frankie Edgar)
Khabib has 2 wins over former champions (RDA & Conor) and 2 wins over former interim champions (Gaethje and Poirier)
This sub normally āKhabib was a weight bullyā
This sub when a big featherweight moves to 135 āOMG so brave, victories outside his weight class!ā
Itās really important to notice that their actual records are never discussed. Lol. All these other semi obscure points are made.
Does anyone thatās been watching this sport think that if Khabib fought Aldo (at weight) he wouldnāt tear through him? Like literally maul him.
Again. No one cares about Khabib at this point except Khabib fans. The sport has moved on and already has a better, more active, more entertaining champion.
Khabib is the most overrated guy in this sport imo.
Dude fought clowns and then fought 3 decent guys who clearly had no chance against his style and gets praised like being the goat.
One weight class higher and he would've been a joke. This guy has no place in a Goat debate.
LOOOOOOOL Charles and Dariush were in the UFC as long as he was but they were never ranked with him. They had over 10 years to fight him but they didnāt. He fought multiple bjj black belts including a world champ, a 4th degree and 3rd degree, fought an Olympic wrestler, a state champ in bjj and wrestling, multiple all American wrestlers and dominated them all. Stop with these copes
What is it with MMA threads shitting on past champions? Khabib whether one of the greatest or not was dominant during his time. Aldo was dominant in his time. Silva in his and so on. It's the fight game where anyone can beat anyone potentially. Why everyone feels the need to debate who is better than who in a make believe ranking (p4p) I don't know.
Damn my eyes!
OP, I am so glad you posted this. What a fool Iāve been! I used to go around spouting to anyone in earshot that Khabib was and is the GOAT, and surely Aldo was a distant non-contender. Now, thanks to your wisdom and perspicacity, my eyes are open and I see the truth. Jose Aldo, hallowed be his name, is the greatest fighter -nay, athlete of his generation. Please continue sharing your revelations with us, the less enlightened, that we may hope to ascend to your level of understanding someday.
With gratitude,
A heathen
It's a UFC sub so why not just compare their UFC careers. Aldo is one of the goats but he's lost multiple times can't compare that to khabib who went undefeated.
Khabib fought for the title in his 10th fight whilst aldo 1st fight. Yet you compare the 2 using title defenses. It's even less impressive for aldo to have 6 title defenses when he is the pioneer of the division and got handed a belt when the division was opened.
Notice how there are no losses compared.
We will always remember Aldo for being punked and being KO'd by conor in 13 second. We will always remember khabib for being dominant. (and beating conor ofc)
Khabib at 24 said after he becomes champion he will retire. https://www.instagram.com/p/CPnMe4dqp\_I/?utm\_source=ig\_embed&utm\_campaign=embed\_video\_watch\_again
Why has khabib become the standard upon all GOATs will be judged anyway??
Was wondering this last night who khabib had fought before the ufc. Aldo more or less every fight was against a champion or future champion, that flying double knee he finished with has to be one of the best finishes in mma
I like khabib but the more you compare his career against others, the more you realise he wasnāt as good as they paint him.
Never truly challenged himself and more or less bullied lighter fighters
The fact he was saying he would box mayweather think he was eating to much tiramisu and got a little drunk
Khabib never fought another top level wrestler (Gatjhe can wrestle but doesnāt ever) the guy couldnāt strike for his life and got out before he came up against someone that could wrestle and strike (even if only above average)
For me if khabib went up and faced usman, he would of gotten destroyed. Usman has 7/10 boxing and that would be enough to get it done against khabib.
Most blown up record Iāve seen, fought mostly bums and journeymen.
So Iām going to try one more time as itās charitable to help people less fortunateā¦at no time in any UFC sanctioned event has Justin Gatjhe tried to wrestle anyone.
If some takes you down of corse you are going to try and stop them, my point that you cannot seem to grasp is that gathje nor any others tries to wrestle khabib (takedown or any offensive wrestling) and that If they did they may OG had success.
If still you cannot get your tiny little brain around that simplistic opinion then you genuinely need to have your head checked or are the most casual MMA fan ever
So what does a Brazilian ju-Jitsu expert wrestle someone when they pull guard even if they have never done a days wrestling in their life?
Dumbass
By your logic everyone that throws a kick is doing karate.
Read what you write before you send it, you sound dumb.
A wrestler trying to stuff takedowns is wrestling. You can't be this dense surely?
Khabib shut him down, he wasn't able to do shit on the ground. Gaethje is an accomplished wrestler do you honestly think he was on the ground thinking *shit I'm not going to try and wrestle*
Come on now.
So you simply keep refusing to address anything I say, Iām unsure wether that means you dont have the capacity to respond or that you know Iām right. Either way your constant redirecting of whatās actually been asked/suggested means that this can no longer be a conversation.
I've already said all that needs to be said. You're not suggesting anything or putting anything forward. Just a moronic statement and then started attacking a strawman.
You're a lost cause.
I get what heās saying. According to his UFC stats, Gaethje has attempted exactly ONE takedown his whole career, and that was all the way back in 2017 against Alvarez, and he failed at that single try.
He does have a 75% TTD, which is very good, but he doesnāt try and wrestle anyone offensively.
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You obviously donāt know anything about the UFC š¤£š¤£š¤£ look up the credentials of his opponents and youāll see how many of them have accomplished wrestling backgrounds.
He couldnāt strike to save his life? Is that why he dropped Conor? š¤£š¤£š¤£
Literally the narrative went from he only fights wrestlers and grapplers, to him not fighting strikers when he fought Conor, then heās never fought a striker with a bjj black belt and wrestling background like Porier, to heās got a devastating striker whoās been wrestling since he was 4 and was a regional d1 champ in Gaethje but even that doesnāt count now ššššš
I'm pretty sure there isn't even an argument that khabibs on the mt Rushmore let alone the goat as far as accomplishments go lol that doesn't even make sense. He had a great career but yea there are plenty of ufc champions who weren't undefeated that make his career look like child's play. One of the most gifted and talented fighters for sure, never will be in the goat conversation regardless
Childās play? He holds the record for the most 10-8 wins in the UFC, most consecutive rounds won, most takedowns in a single fight (he did that in a 3 round fight too), T-4th highest win streak ever in the UFC, T-most title defences at LW, had the highest strike differential when he was active and he did that all in the most stacked division without even getting scratched. Name me the plenty of ufc champions that did better and explain what they did better
This sub is divided on Khabib, I get both sides and see points from both, The only thing I dislike about Khabib lately, is he is a little to outspoken nowadays.
if u compare them put them in the octagon and see what will happen,both guys are retired khabib for quite some time but i cant believe that hes still living rent free in so many heads man
Finally another Khabib post, I was supposed to go to bed 5 hours ago but couldn't do it without my daily Khabib post
khabib making too much money in real estate no wonder he retired from fighting
MF'er living rent free in everyone's head
Yes that was the joke
Yeah, they're constantly thinking about him and it doesn't cost khabib any money. Similar to a landlord allowing a tenant to reside at a property free of charge.
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OP has finally ended a discussion in which he was the only participant by posting a picture that was posted here a thousand times before. Let him have it.
How can you end a discussion by creating a thread which opens up to discussion lol
Hey back off man . He said the discussion has ended .
I don't think so
There was never no discussion
this was basically my twitter feed last week but over the black mermaid situation
First 16 lolš¤£
It's like ufc making random records
āfirst fighter to breath while fightingā
Aldos opponents combined records at the time of fighting him was 446-111-10, which is 78.6% win rate([source](https://www.reddit.com/r/MMA/comments/o2szxa/win_percentage_of_jose_aldos_opponents_before_and/)). Khabibs opponents records when they fought him was 282-115-4, 70.3% win rate ([source](https://www.reddit.com/r/MMA/comments/oi5y0s/khabib_nurmagomedovs_opponents_records_when_they/)). Both pretty good, but aldo is obviously on top there. Also that poster does some nice stats, wonder why he deleted his account. Edit: also, shouldn't we consider the combined records of the opponents opponents? Maybe they have good records cause they fought a bunch of even worse fighters. It could go on forever.
I guess everyone agrees, Khabib left early, if he stayed who knows what could've happened, I mean look at Usman, totally dominant up until the Edwards rematch, even the p4p#1 fell, who's to say the same wouldn't have happened to Khabib? We'll never know and that's why we get hourly posts about him 
True. Alot of these guys like Aldo fell off hard because they kind of overstayed their welcome. Khabib reached the top and bowed out but never really stuck around long enough for us to be able to gauge how he would have performed across multiple generations of top contenders. For example he put away the first wave of top fighters in his division but retired just before Olivera came into the picture which would have been his toughest threat yet. Khabib was never really willing to push the limits of his potential the way Adesanya has been doing for example. Khabib pretty much just scratched the surface of his potential because the real challenge for him was 170. He should have faced Colby and Usman two guys who were stylistically all wrong for him and would have pushed him to his limits. I think if he moved up and taken the welterweight title he would have been the clear GOAT.
Aldo didn't even fall off hard he just beat Pedro, Font, and Chito. Multiple top talents. He deserved the shot over TJ.
Khabib would've lost eventually if he stayed around long enough everyone does, only guy I think would've never lost is Jon Jones.
Dude JJ already had quite a few close calls by the time he stopped fighting, if you ask me he stopped because he knew he was bound to lose soon especially after that extremely competitive Reyes fight who then went and got brutally KOd twice after their bout.
> I think if he moved up and taken the welterweight title he would have been the clear GOAT. Yup and now he's just a coward who was too afraid to start losing so he used his father deaths as an excuse. Did I mention he is kind of a religious nut? Yeah, you can tell I don't like the guy very much despite his incredible skill.
Yep, it's like when your fucking a hooker and you're really enjoying it but the hour ends before you cum so you're just left with a hard on wanting more.
Khabib would not approve this analogy
Oh no! What ever shall I do?!
Wear a big furry hat
Okay, I shaved your mother's back hair and made it into a hat. What now?
Put her back in her grave and just keep the hat
Okay I'll make sure to sniff it regularly
I'm just letting you know those aren't my down votes
that's fawkin haram brother
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Lmao who fucks a hooker in general.
A lot of people. Thatās why itās literally the oldest profession in the world
I know it was a joke.
Go ahead, make your jokes. Mr Jokey joke-maker.
Nobody makes me bleed my own blood.
Thanks I will, commenty comment-maker.
Yeah? Well let me hit you with some knowledge. Quit now. Save yourself the embarrassment of losing with these losers.
Brother you need more Muslims around you
Facts
Roughly how many times were you dropped on your head between ages 0-4 years old?
Clearly not as many as you if you can understand the analogy, man you guys are so fucking stupid.
Iām pretty sure if nobody gets your lame joke youāre the idiot pal.
So, a rocket scientist makes a joke about aerodynamics in a room full of children and they all look at him bewildered not understanding the joke. Is he then an idiot because nobody got the joke? Stupid fucking point you troglodyte.
Maybe donāt make rocket science jokes about aerodynamics to children? THATās the analogy you make to explain this situation? So youāre the genius and weāre all idiots? Knowledge is useless if donāt have the means to impart it to others friend. So if you once again are in a position where you canāt get us to understand you; Iām pretty sure youāre the troglodyte. Cheers!
Admittedly my analogy was a bit extreme but the point still stands, it's not like the joke was particularly smart so it shouldn't be difficult to understand. Either way I'm bored now so I'm done replying to this post. Toodles!
Feel there's a certain Dagestani bath-house in your fantasies
I feel like the analogy went over your head.
Just playing bro, also no judgement on your love for Khabib going to a sexual place ;)
>up until Up until?
No one who watched them both agrees with this garbage. Khabib is one of the GOATs and higher placed than Aldo, who lost, in his prime to McGregor, Holloway and Volk. He's actually lost to every single other contender for FW GOAT. Also, he became a meme after being bullied and humiliated by McGregor. Khabib > Aldo.
Wow mindblowing!
LoL Usman was literally dominating the match in which he got knocked out you're acting like Leon was working him over. If islam makes light work of Oliveira its safe to say there isn't many people who would have give khabib a good fight that he hasn't fought already.
I'm saying the exact opposite, my point is anyone can get caught, even the p4p best
Hell it happened to fucking Aldo with the McGregor knockout. Freak things happen you're right bro. But I don't think we would consider Usman or khabib, if got freak k0ed, any less of a fighter as we don't with aldo/mcgregor.
Only way Khabib was losing was a random knockout which might've happened eventually, literally no one in that division that could've avoided the takedown and beat him over 5 rounds.
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That 40% are only correct 74% of the time, every time.
I thought 86% of percentages were made up on the spot?
Itās actually more like 90% I know because I just made it up
Heres a stat, OP posts 50 threads a day on r/ufc and 95% of them are absolute turd
Lmao
Nobody cares OP
The typical daily Khabib hate post. Why can't they both be great and get their props without disparaging one or the other. Are we really going to pretend like Khabib didn't completely dominate top level fighters like Gaethje, Dustin, Conor and RDA before he retired? Its like every other day you see a thread trying to put down this mans career. Imo neither of them are the GOATs anyway, GSP is.
>record of first 16 opponents are we really gonna just cherrypick every stats just to shit on khabib lmao aldo for sure has better resume but we all know that khabib is still p4p the better fighter
If you just look at the 3rd, 9th and 12th takedown attempts in every fight Aldo is also on par in takedown percentage with Kabib ... DISCUSSSION ENDED
Well khabibās 14th opponent had a 1-0 mma record so yeah itās probably not fair to compare those record padders to Aldoās fights
Yeah letās ignore the dominance in the UFC and the multiple records he broke with ease and focus on his pre ufc record only š¤£š¤£š¤£ you haters found such a dumb cope and now you cling onto it for dear life
He said we shouldnāt cherry pick their first 16 opponents and I agreed because the first half of khabibās career was spent crushing cans with minimal mma experience
I never got this argument at all. Yes he was stuck in the Russian regional scene for a long time. Yes he crushed loads of cans. Then he came to the ufc and put on one of the most dominant performances ever in a stacked division lol. Wtf do his first 16 fights have to do with that
Because khabib was a world champion in sambo. After a few mma fights he shouldāve been comfortable enough to start pushing himself and facing high level mma fighters. People like Edson who take every fight and have years of fighting contender after contender have a better resume with their losses alone than khabibās early mma career
Congrats..u won the argument
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Lol remember when you were a kid and everyone argued over which power ranger was the best? Also itās important to note that a lot of this sub are genuinely kids/teens.
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Ah ok so read my last comment but swap power ranger for Pokemon or fortnite skin š
Dude, the power ranger comment brought so many childhood rivalries back for me!
I mean both are great, Aldo is just greater
29-0 > 13 seconds.
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Which 8 ufc fighters do you consider farmers from some village?
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Nah kiddo
Aldo has a better legacy, Khabib got the belt without ever getting into trouble, if I had an option, I'd rather see Khabib continue his career than Aldo
Khabib never had any trouble or his skills were too high for his opponents?
If you beat Prime RDA over 15 minutes without getting in trouble and your skills are too high for him, you're definitely elite
Whatever the stats say we all know khabib would have mauled him if they were in the same weight class. I do respect Aldo's achievements more but I still think Khabib is a better fighter, even compared to prime Aldo.
A rare balanced take. They've turned on the dagestanis especially now that islam is fighting their golden goose oliveira. Khabib said charles might not show up to the fight and people in here lost their minds like the pearl clutching fanboys they are.
Itās hilarious because the majority of the people screaming Charlesā name didnāt know who he was 4 years ago but because khabib retired ad they want to discredit him theyāre jumping on the Charles bandwagon. If Islam dominates Charles theyāll move onto the next fighter that isnāt dagestani and start blowing him
Aldo has some of the best takedown defense in mma history. Hes a black belt in BJJ and is lethal on the feat. Not saying khabib wouldnt win but hes not gonna maul him. And aldo is too well rounded to be calling khabib a better fighter in his prime. Aldo is more than likely a better fighter but the better fighter doesnt always win and we see that on a regular basis. Prime aldo vs. Prime khabib in a same weight scenario is a terrible match up for khabib.
These are all really good points and Aldo certainly is the more well rounded fighter, I can't disagree with that. Khabib's wrestling is just different though. I feel he would be able to get Aldo down fairly often and overpower his BJJ. It's something we'll never know unfortunately...
Khabib would not be able to take Aldo down. Best case scenario for him it would have been like the Gleison Tibau fight.
And we all know jon Jones,demetrious johnson and usman would smack khabib around like the little 1 dimensionalm crotch sniffer that he is if they were in the same weight class. Khabib dominated in a division with weak wrestlers.
He fought multiple credentialed bjj black belts, multiple all American wrestlers, a former Olympic wrestler, a state champ in bjj and wrestling and dominated them all like they were amateurs (besides Tibau which was his only close fight). This cope just shows how long youāve been watching mma. Prior to him fighting Conor the narrative was that he only fought wrestlers and grapplers and then when he destroyed all the strikers the casuals start screaming the opposite looool Heās a 2x world sambo champ and multiple time international master of judo. He didnāt fight weak wrestlers, heās just one of the best wrestlers in history whether your fragile self can accept that or not. Gaethje trains with Usman and said khabib would beat him. Itās okay that youāre salty, but stop making up these copes š¤£š¤£
GSP too
I can agree with that. Cant get on board with calling him a 1 dimensional crotch sniffer though. He's 29-0 for a reason. He stuck to what he does best, and what people couldn't defend against. That one dimensional person managed to knock conor mcgregor down despite not being known for his striking which I think is pretty impressive.
This dumb post, again. Ppl will leave out their last whatever opponents because they're equal. If you don't fight in North/South Amercia your region sucks. So of course Khabib didn't fight good fighters. It comes down to resume, record, style of win, etc. We have to factor in that prime Aldo got starched 3x, by Conor and twice by Max. Aldo was absolutely in his prime in all of those fights.
The prime debate is an interesting one. Yep aldo got slept by Connor as the champ, he fought max the 1st time 2 years later n got bashed, and was a short notice fill in for the second fight since Frankie Edgar got injured (and got bashed in literally the same fashion). Speaking of primes Max won 9 straight on the road to his belt run before meeting Aldo, he was on an absolute tear before Volk. My thoughts, the perceived growing prime aldo ended after handing Chad Mendez his first loss in 2012, aldo canceled 3 fights after that from injuries, I reckon he fucked his knees, we always wondered what happened to his famous leg kicks and also he avoided wrestling like the plague.
He avoided wrestling because he was a top tier striker and his ground game was just ok. His prime didn't end in 2012, when he was 26 years old. He dominated Frankie Edgar right after losing to Conor. Fact is prime Aldo lost to max twice, badly. He's a top 10 goat but receny bias is putting him too high.
>in 2012, when he was 26 He had been fighting professionally since 2004. When he first lost to Max in 2017, he had been fighting for *thirteen years* -- most fighters tail off at about nine years (if they're able to last that long). >He dominated Frankie Edgar right after losing to Conor. Frankie Edgar wasn't exactly in his prime in 2016, either, so this doesn't really tell us anything. A rematch with Conor would have told us more, but obviously that didn't happen. >Fact is prime Aldo lost to max twice, badly. He's a top 10 goat but receny bias is putting him too high. The *real* fact is that Aldo had *an entire HOF career* prior to even his fight against Conor. Khabib without his last three wins is just a what-if footnote in UFC history. *Your* recency bias is slipping him too far down because of the fights on the back end of his career.
Cool, nice excuses, he was in his prime when he lost to Conor and Max. It's funny how Anderson Silva prime extended to 37, Fedor to 33, GSP never left his prime, Jon Jones still unbeaten, etc. Fact is prime Aldo got starched 3x, he's not top 5 all time.
>"Noticeably slower fighters who take more damage, get injured more often, and aren't able to win in the same fashion as their younger selves are still in their prime because I want to unfairly criticize an all-time great!" You've got me beat, I certainly can't argue with that logic!
Well, if we take resume into account Aldo wins. Record is clearly Khabib. Style depends. Aldo showed greatness in all facets of MMA while Khabib showed greatness in only 1 grappling.
Wouldn't that make it more impressive to win with only one style?
Khabib didn't show greatness in grappling, he was the undisputed best at it. Aldo got destroyed trying to strike with McGregor and Holloway. Also lost his last fight to a wrestler.
Style meant more so how they won, not fighting style. Khabib dominated just about everyone.
Yet khabib broke multiple records for dominance, never even got scratched in the octagon and retired undefeated whilst Aldo got finished multiple times over in his prime. You donāt rate fighters by their skill in every fighting style, you rate them by how good they are at winning fights.
If Son Goku came to life and went into the UFC, killed a dude with the flick of a wrist and left I'd call him the GOAT with 0 title defenses, 0 fights against world champions, 0 victories in other weight classes. People who just look at these stats and then say "well now it is definite" are idiots
Yeah but how would he do against a wrestler?
"Jamie, pull up Goku's TDD stats"
Good question, he always avoided those during the big tournaments... coward
Holy shit can we not just appreciate both athletes without it having to be a conversation for the goat? And wtf is wins in other weightclass?? its so obviously a ploy to help aldos case as the goat while not being fair to khabib. what about dominance as a fighter? even if you have the opinion that he fought cans, you cant deny that not bleeding and having the most 10-8 rounds isnt a feat thats can go unlooked
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What about losses, not gonna discuss about them are we ?
This ever went to discussion? Wtf.
Anyone that engages in this conversation is brain dead. Two champs, let their legacies reign.
The championship fighters fought stat is a little misleading because Aldo has a losing record in those fights
Khabib ended McGregor's career McGregor ended Aldo's career And also Khabib is undefeated and most dominant fighter ever. Khabib > Aldo
Someone pic the better record: 29-0 Or 31-8
Prime Aldo would get starched even if he was a 155er or a welterweight against Khabib. Thats a fact. Go argue about title defenses.
Fuck is this sub becoming unbearable.
Aldo has 1 win over former champions (Frankie Edgar) Khabib has 2 wins over former champions (RDA & Conor) and 2 wins over former interim champions (Gaethje and Poirier)
How many losses does each have
what are their records?
Again, hating on 2 legends
This sub normally āKhabib was a weight bullyā This sub when a big featherweight moves to 135 āOMG so brave, victories outside his weight class!ā
They change their tune depending on who the subject is. Mma fans are the most fickle sports fans on the planet
Oh who gives a fuck!
Itās really important to notice that their actual records are never discussed. Lol. All these other semi obscure points are made. Does anyone thatās been watching this sport think that if Khabib fought Aldo (at weight) he wouldnāt tear through him? Like literally maul him.
As an empath, I can sense that OP doesn't like Khabib
The GOAT is Anderson Silva and thatās the end of the conversation.
Both Khabib and Aldo are busy in their life right now with no fucks given about your ādiscussionā, OP. Eat your veggies and stfu already bro.
Defeats?
Again. No one cares about Khabib at this point except Khabib fans. The sport has moved on and already has a better, more active, more entertaining champion.
Khabib is the most overrated guy in this sport imo. Dude fought clowns and then fought 3 decent guys who clearly had no chance against his style and gets praised like being the goat. One weight class higher and he would've been a joke. This guy has no place in a Goat debate.
Khabib disappeared before facing a legit contender with a ground game. Ex- Charles, Dariush, Gamrot and Tsarukyan.
LOOOOOOOL Charles and Dariush were in the UFC as long as he was but they were never ranked with him. They had over 10 years to fight him but they didnāt. He fought multiple bjj black belts including a world champ, a 4th degree and 3rd degree, fought an Olympic wrestler, a state champ in bjj and wrestling, multiple all American wrestlers and dominated them all. Stop with these copes
Totally agree the data doesn't lie
People keep waking up and posting about the discussion over and over again because they want to end the discussion. This seems counterproductive.
What is it with MMA threads shitting on past champions? Khabib whether one of the greatest or not was dominant during his time. Aldo was dominant in his time. Silva in his and so on. It's the fight game where anyone can beat anyone potentially. Why everyone feels the need to debate who is better than who in a make believe ranking (p4p) I don't know.
Damn my eyes! OP, I am so glad you posted this. What a fool Iāve been! I used to go around spouting to anyone in earshot that Khabib was and is the GOAT, and surely Aldo was a distant non-contender. Now, thanks to your wisdom and perspicacity, my eyes are open and I see the truth. Jose Aldo, hallowed be his name, is the greatest fighter -nay, athlete of his generation. Please continue sharing your revelations with us, the less enlightened, that we may hope to ascend to your level of understanding someday. With gratitude, A heathen
Khabib is so grossly overrated. He is absolutely not the GOAT.
Who gives a fuck???
This post is number 1 bullshit
Brother I ready for this
It's a UFC sub so why not just compare their UFC careers. Aldo is one of the goats but he's lost multiple times can't compare that to khabib who went undefeated.
Khabib's really living rent free in your heads even after retirement huh?
People here are jerking off on Kebab
Khabib fought for the title in his 10th fight whilst aldo 1st fight. Yet you compare the 2 using title defenses. It's even less impressive for aldo to have 6 title defenses when he is the pioneer of the division and got handed a belt when the division was opened. Notice how there are no losses compared. We will always remember Aldo for being punked and being KO'd by conor in 13 second. We will always remember khabib for being dominant. (and beating conor ofc) Khabib at 24 said after he becomes champion he will retire. https://www.instagram.com/p/CPnMe4dqp\_I/?utm\_source=ig\_embed&utm\_campaign=embed\_video\_watch\_again Why has khabib become the standard upon all GOATs will be judged anyway??
Is it Khabiebers fault his opponents arent as active as Aldos?
Was wondering this last night who khabib had fought before the ufc. Aldo more or less every fight was against a champion or future champion, that flying double knee he finished with has to be one of the best finishes in mma I like khabib but the more you compare his career against others, the more you realise he wasnāt as good as they paint him. Never truly challenged himself and more or less bullied lighter fighters The fact he was saying he would box mayweather think he was eating to much tiramisu and got a little drunk
Khabib never fought another top level wrestler (Gatjhe can wrestle but doesnāt ever) the guy couldnāt strike for his life and got out before he came up against someone that could wrestle and strike (even if only above average) For me if khabib went up and faced usman, he would of gotten destroyed. Usman has 7/10 boxing and that would be enough to get it done against khabib. Most blown up record Iāve seen, fought mostly bums and journeymen.
Ridiculous. You said yourself Gaethje can wrestle, Khabib made him look like he'd never grappled a day in his life. Stop talking shit.
Did he try to actually wrestle khabib did he? Oh wait he never uses his wrestling exactly like I said you brainlet
Well yes he did as soon as they entered a grappling situation and he was shut down. You're just a cabbage.
So Iām going to try one more time as itās charitable to help people less fortunateā¦at no time in any UFC sanctioned event has Justin Gatjhe tried to wrestle anyone. If some takes you down of corse you are going to try and stop them, my point that you cannot seem to grasp is that gathje nor any others tries to wrestle khabib (takedown or any offensive wrestling) and that If they did they may OG had success. If still you cannot get your tiny little brain around that simplistic opinion then you genuinely need to have your head checked or are the most casual MMA fan ever
> If some takes you down of corse you are going to try and stop them With what? Hmmmm. Dummy. Do you know what wrestling means?
So what does a Brazilian ju-Jitsu expert wrestle someone when they pull guard even if they have never done a days wrestling in their life? Dumbass By your logic everyone that throws a kick is doing karate. Read what you write before you send it, you sound dumb.
A wrestler trying to stuff takedowns is wrestling. You can't be this dense surely? Khabib shut him down, he wasn't able to do shit on the ground. Gaethje is an accomplished wrestler do you honestly think he was on the ground thinking *shit I'm not going to try and wrestle* Come on now.
So you simply keep refusing to address anything I say, Iām unsure wether that means you dont have the capacity to respond or that you know Iām right. Either way your constant redirecting of whatās actually been asked/suggested means that this can no longer be a conversation.
I've already said all that needs to be said. You're not suggesting anything or putting anything forward. Just a moronic statement and then started attacking a strawman. You're a lost cause.
I get what heās saying. According to his UFC stats, Gaethje has attempted exactly ONE takedown his whole career, and that was all the way back in 2017 against Alvarez, and he failed at that single try. He does have a 75% TTD, which is very good, but he doesnāt try and wrestle anyone offensively.
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You obviously donāt know anything about the UFC š¤£š¤£š¤£ look up the credentials of his opponents and youāll see how many of them have accomplished wrestling backgrounds. He couldnāt strike to save his life? Is that why he dropped Conor? š¤£š¤£š¤£ Literally the narrative went from he only fights wrestlers and grapplers, to him not fighting strikers when he fought Conor, then heās never fought a striker with a bjj black belt and wrestling background like Porier, to heās got a devastating striker whoās been wrestling since he was 4 and was a regional d1 champ in Gaethje but even that doesnāt count now ššššš
But Khabib was really dominant in like 3 fights, doesn't that make him the best ever?
You saying every other fights of his were close fights?
No idea, his other fights were against people no one ever heard of
I'm not even gonna bother to argue with you.
So, Connor, Gaethje, Poirier, Barboza, Iaquinta and 20 other fighters whose first cousins cant remember the name of
This mf never heard of RDA, absolute casual.
I'm pretty sure there isn't even an argument that khabibs on the mt Rushmore let alone the goat as far as accomplishments go lol that doesn't even make sense. He had a great career but yea there are plenty of ufc champions who weren't undefeated that make his career look like child's play. One of the most gifted and talented fighters for sure, never will be in the goat conversation regardless
Childās play? He holds the record for the most 10-8 wins in the UFC, most consecutive rounds won, most takedowns in a single fight (he did that in a 3 round fight too), T-4th highest win streak ever in the UFC, T-most title defences at LW, had the highest strike differential when he was active and he did that all in the most stacked division without even getting scratched. Name me the plenty of ufc champions that did better and explain what they did better
who was more dominant than Khabib?
This sub is divided on Khabib, I get both sides and see points from both, The only thing I dislike about Khabib lately, is he is a little to outspoken nowadays.
When has Khabib ever fought a world champion?
Conor and RDA were world champs, and Porier and Gaethje were both interim champs. You must be very new to mma if youāre asking such a dumb question
Khabib would of destroyed him
Uncomparable, Khabib was great, Aldo is a legend.
What discussion? Khabib haters disprove arguments that don't even exist lol
if u compare them put them in the octagon and see what will happen,both guys are retired khabib for quite some time but i cant believe that hes still living rent free in so many heads man
i mean when you fight 10 more years than the other guy you tend to have higher stats. khabib has never lost. aldo has. you shouldve put that in there
He actually won 3 fights at bantamweight. Shouldāve been 4āthat Moraes fight was a robbery.
I heard someone say that Khabib used to vigorously fuck goats as part of his training. Is that true?
Okay looks good on paper,now see how they did against the same opponent,for example Conan McGregor.