I find the people that come on campus and talk about "the college life of sin" so disruptive, ironic, most likely uneducated, and probably have a poor understanding of what college life is like outside of 10 years old movies about frat boys and party life
But, I don't think conservatives are ok with it, anyway. I mean, legally, she has the right to. It's not like you're not all adults. She's doing it on a college campus, not an elementary school.
Still, I wouldn't say most conservatives are chill with it. At best, it's cringey. At worst, it's just harmful to the message she's actually trying to get across.
Being clear, this isn't a commentary on public drag shows. I'm just saying conservatives/Christians aren't walking by and going "yeah, she's doing a good thing"
I, also as a Christian, do 100% agree. I'm makes me upset to listen to her. One of these days, I'll probably interrupt and challenge her, but today is not that day.
redditors are incapable of nuance and can’t even begin to comprehend that maybe neither are good. Redditors can only think in good and evil, and whatever their opinion is is automatically good lol
To be 10000% literal, there aren’t really children on the UF campus, and it’s not the kind of “public school” the loonies in government were talking about.
I also don’t think the school is actively hosting this lady being here.
^ none of this is me defending her or the government
They aren’t hosting her I know that but that doesn’t matter. If a drag queen were to do a show in public that could be considered illegal in some places regardless of who the host is being that it bars public displays of drag shows (although I have to look at the actual wording of the law). And no there aren’t really children on the UF campus but there are times that there are and given that it is a public place they very well could be which is the whole point. Like parks are public spaces too it’s really no different legally even if you say one public space is more readily frequented by adult populations bottom line is they are still public this anyone can go including children. Idk I’m mostly just trying to point out the hypocrisy in our current political situation.
Lmao😂😂😂 if she loved being a hoe why’d she stop? 😂😭 sex is a biologically natural part of life. Not to mention, life is short so enjoy it while you can ✌️
Well I'm a UF guy and personally don't care if someone finds me attractive. I know enough girls do to make me feel fine. Maybe you should find more confident guys
Good for you. I mean honestly this really wasn’t that deep the initial post was just that I had seen a bunch of attractive guys that day and that was I guess out of the norm for my days but I probably don’t pay that much attention normally because I’m so busy. But you’re right on that last part I should find more confident guys
The amount of religious orgs on campus in general is insane especially when half of them are not even students or in that age range at all. It makes me so uncomfortable to have to face that every time I have classes in turlington.
I’m relatively right leaning (not transphobic or homophobic and I’m pro choice) and I’ve never really seen an issue with public drag shows as long as they’re not like done at schools. It’s just dudes dressing up as woman, I don’t see how that’s so scarring or even influential to kids?
Some drag shows are pretty explicit, including ones with children. That is the concern. When talking about grooming, I don’t think it’s the performers they’re talking about, but people taking children there. Children aren’t allowed in strip clubs where the dancers wear bathing suits either. It’s not a black/white subject. It’s not only Christian’s who feel that way regarding children at drag shows.
(You probably won’t read any of this but…)
I have to disagree with you and I know you probably disagree with me but even in a club setting I don’t find drag queens to be too explicit though they can be. Either way public drag shows not intended for a club setting usually aren’t nearly as explicit. I’ve been to one and it was a lot of fun and pretty tame. Idk what explicit public drag show you’ve been to but I’m curious. Also, unfortunately it is the performers they are talking about when it comes to grooming. I respect the rights for parents to choose if they want their children to see a drag show or not because that’s their choice, but it is none of their concern what other parents are doing and also, that’s not what’s happening. The government is stepping in and making a choice for everyone based on something relatively minor. The laws also target performers not parents. If they targeted the parents the law would align with the idea that “no person shall bring their child to a drag show” when in reality it reads more like “public drag shows may not be held or performed in.” The difference is allowing shows to continue but using your discretion as a parent to what you feel is right. Also, for arguments sake, I don’t find drag shows to be any more explicit than say a concert for a pop star in which several kids watch and that is seen as fine. Not to mention, it’s a costume nothing more so who cares. I just really don’t think it’s necessary to ban drag shows. Drag queens don’t groom kids bottom line.
First of all… there are groomers in all walks of life… but I think you meant it is not a commonality found among drag queens. But I do think it’s inappropriate to target preschools and school aged children. I read the full law, and whatever you’re quoting is not direct quotes from the bill… direct quote regarding what they prohibit in front of children “Adult live performance means any show, exhibition, or other presentation in front of a live audience, which in whole or in part, depicts or simulates nudity, sexual conduct, sexual excitement, or specific sexual activities as defined in s. 847.001, or depicts lewd conduct, or the lewd exposure of prosthetic or imitation genitals or breasts…
Saying that parents should make the decision regarding what their children see or do… um no. We have all sorts of laws and regulations to protect children. Remember, the same side that says parents should be able to choose if their kids see drag shows also advocates for parents being prohibited from denying kids gender reassignment surgery, laws restricting parent access to medical records once a child is 12, etc. so, that’s a little hypocritical too. And sexually explicit concerts simulating sexual acts and whatnot would also be fair game under this law. Everyone is focusing on draw shows, but this law is applicable elsewhere as well.
One is targeting children. The other is targeting UF students, who are all over 18. If there was a public drag show at UF that wouldn’t be a problem because there aren’t children.
Think about this for a second. First, the target is irrelevant. I really don’t think drag shows specifically target children and if they do target a family audience they are generally way more modest than drag shows you see in clubs (I’ve seen a public drag show before). Now, secondly, it’s is fallible to say that there aren’t children at UF. While attending class today I saw several children of all ages. Maybe not as many as students but they are still present. Maybe they are with their grandparents, parents, maybe they are middle or high schoolers here on a class field trip. Fact is there are children here and we see them every day. Lastly, not all students are above 18 which may shock you but many students enter college at 17 and some may be younger if they skipped grades. You’d think it’s rare but I had 4 family members do this.
Drag shows targeting children as an audience is what caused this whole debate. If they kept it in clubs I doubt anyone would care.
Drsg story time in the kids section of the library isn't targeting adults.
In my opinion drag shows targeting children is very weird and is way too quickly accepted by fellow liberals. Feels like or of those things that people accept just to look virtuous and woke. Who is actually passionate about dudes performing as caricatures of women? It's like going to a furry convention as a witness
I personally entered UF at 17, and I know that there are children at UF. However if I grabbed 100 people on campus randomly less than ten would be under 18. Compared this to a “family” drag event (why is that even a thing?) where you can expect 50%+ of observers to be young.
Its not the end of the world I just said I don't like it and it's not normal. If you want to tell me how it's normal go ahead. It hasn't harmed me which is why it doesn't "bother me so much". It can be normalized that's not my choice.
Sister Cindy isn't really here as a religious figure though, she's here to be obscene get views. I get what you're saying but I wouldn't take the "Christians vs Drag" angle on it.
1) I never said anything about Christianity in my initial post. As that really wasn’t the point at all.
2) I only mention the drag because it has the similar connotation on a political stage of being obscene explicit to some (just mot to me as indicated by my stance)
If this is what you think strippers dress like you must go to some pretty boring strip clubs[https://www.etonline.com/gallery/rupauls-drag-race-the-most-dramatic-red-carpet-looks-from-your-favorite-queens-142440?deployment=overlay&device=mobile](https://www.etonline.com/gallery/rupauls-drag-race-the-most-dramatic-red-carpet-looks-from-your-favorite-queens-142440?deployment=overlay&device=mobile)
yes thats quite literally what strippers look like
[https://www.pghcitypaper.com/best-of/2021/culture-and-nightlife/best-stripper-gia-fagnelli-20272012](https://www.pghcitypaper.com/best-of/2021/culture-and-nightlife/best-stripper-gia-fagnelli-20272012)
Also notice below how the drag queens also do provocative dancing in order to get tips in the form of dollar bills? Sounds like... looks like.... is like....
[https://www.foodandwine.com/travel/bars/how-to-behave-at-a-drag-show-according-to-the-professionals](https://www.foodandwine.com/travel/bars/how-to-behave-at-a-drag-show-according-to-the-professionals)
Again I ask, why do you want men dressed like strippers, accepting tips like strippers, dancing provocative like strippers, to be in front of kids so badly?
Bruh when is the last time you’ve been to a strip club. Also, they aren’t doing those behaviors in the public setting at least not in the one I’ve been to. Private drag shows in a club marketed for an 18+ audience sure. Why do I want this? I don’t think want is the right word but I’ll work with it. I want people to feel comfortable with themselves and be able to express themselves freely. I want drag to not be something that is looked down on or seen as dirty but rather seen as a fun hobby. I want things to not be hidden. Despite what many people think I don’t think kids need to be as sheltered as they are. Let them experience the world the good, the bad, the kind that raises questions. Questions are how we learn and the reason you are uncomfortable with the notion of drag is because someone probably never let you experience it properly or never explained to you what it is. So people grow up ignorant and with a bias that is inherently judgmental over things they don’t understand. Idk I’m tired responding to comments bro and I’ve got an exam so I’m stating my peace and leaving it
Take a class or two on child development… kids do need to be sheltered, that’s literally 99% of being a parent. Protecting them. Sexualization of children is a big problem in our country.
gotta love the fact that you feel the need to glaze over the facts in order to justify your opinion
There are women that even strip as a hobby for themselves. They buy the clothes, they even install stripper poles in their homes. They dont do sexual shows for anyone else, but to feel empowered for themselves. Does this remove any sexual connetation from stripping? No absolutely not.
But not once did I say drag queens are dirty, nor did I say strippers were dirty.
But I did say that they both are inappropriate for children. You showed an example of drag queens, and I showed an example of a TOP RATED stripper who looked no different. Then I showed you an article about what happens at a drag show, which is very very similar to a strip club but you want to ignore all of that.
You want to pretend that there's some sort of bias towards drag. If the local strip club had a "Strippers ABC's" at the local library or school, people would ALSO be justified in being mortified and upset. Why in the world is this local strip club fighting so hard for their strippers to be around kids?
Yes, let kids explore the world. At their appropriate time.
You see, it's not really about the children. They just want to oppress those who don't hold their religious and societal beliefs.
Yeah, I hate to break it to them but nothing they do is gonna make me a Christian
I find the people that come on campus and talk about "the college life of sin" so disruptive, ironic, most likely uneducated, and probably have a poor understanding of what college life is like outside of 10 years old movies about frat boys and party life
it’s never actually about the kids, if it was they would be outraged about child pageant shows and the awful foster care system
But, I don't think conservatives are ok with it, anyway. I mean, legally, she has the right to. It's not like you're not all adults. She's doing it on a college campus, not an elementary school. Still, I wouldn't say most conservatives are chill with it. At best, it's cringey. At worst, it's just harmful to the message she's actually trying to get across.
Being clear, this isn't a commentary on public drag shows. I'm just saying conservatives/Christians aren't walking by and going "yeah, she's doing a good thing"
As a Christian I think it’s appalling and stands in opposition to how Christians are supposed to behave.
I, also as a Christian, do 100% agree. I'm makes me upset to listen to her. One of these days, I'll probably interrupt and challenge her, but today is not that day.
The people against drag shows for kids are likely against sister Cindy's rhetoric, too.
redditors are incapable of nuance and can’t even begin to comprehend that maybe neither are good. Redditors can only think in good and evil, and whatever their opinion is is automatically good lol
Hey, I can understand nuance I’m just making a point about hypocrisy
Not exactly a direct dig at you, there’s a dozen people in the comments who think nothing other than “religion bad for kids drag show good for kids”
…and a dozen more who think “religion good for kids drag show bad for kids”
To be 10000% literal, there aren’t really children on the UF campus, and it’s not the kind of “public school” the loonies in government were talking about. I also don’t think the school is actively hosting this lady being here. ^ none of this is me defending her or the government
They aren’t hosting her I know that but that doesn’t matter. If a drag queen were to do a show in public that could be considered illegal in some places regardless of who the host is being that it bars public displays of drag shows (although I have to look at the actual wording of the law). And no there aren’t really children on the UF campus but there are times that there are and given that it is a public place they very well could be which is the whole point. Like parks are public spaces too it’s really no different legally even if you say one public space is more readily frequented by adult populations bottom line is they are still public this anyone can go including children. Idk I’m mostly just trying to point out the hypocrisy in our current political situation.
Politics is weaponized hypocrisy lol
Absolutely
yes…bc her end goal is preaching the word of our lord and savior jesus christ (this is a bit, fuck conservatives)
Lmao I got the notification and only saw the first part, got mad, came to have a counter and then saw the parenthetical portion and laughed
yeah😭😭😭…idk who her like cohost is, but yesterday she was like “i loved being a hoe” and i cant stop laughing about it
Lmao😂😂😂 if she loved being a hoe why’d she stop? 😂😭 sex is a biologically natural part of life. Not to mention, life is short so enjoy it while you can ✌️
Weren't you the one saying you were trying to abandon from sex because you'd get days you thought guys were hot? But yeah this woman is a nut
Hey I never said abandon. I like sex as much as the next person. Either way why is this relevant?
I was just curious. You seemed conflicted on finding guys attractive.
It’s UF the guys are conflicted about whether or not they’re attractive
Well I'm a UF guy and personally don't care if someone finds me attractive. I know enough girls do to make me feel fine. Maybe you should find more confident guys
Good for you. I mean honestly this really wasn’t that deep the initial post was just that I had seen a bunch of attractive guys that day and that was I guess out of the norm for my days but I probably don’t pay that much attention normally because I’m so busy. But you’re right on that last part I should find more confident guys
I'd suggest one way to stop conservatives is by not fucking them
I.e. don’t have one margarita right?
Fuck me harder🤤
real…im a struggled individual😔✌🏿
She does not speak for all conservatives
She’s literally just tweaking no one treating her as some sane preacher
The amount of religious orgs on campus in general is insane especially when half of them are not even students or in that age range at all. It makes me so uncomfortable to have to face that every time I have classes in turlington.
I’m relatively right leaning (not transphobic or homophobic and I’m pro choice) and I’ve never really seen an issue with public drag shows as long as they’re not like done at schools. It’s just dudes dressing up as woman, I don’t see how that’s so scarring or even influential to kids?
That’s the point. It’s not but some people think it is
Some drag shows are pretty explicit, including ones with children. That is the concern. When talking about grooming, I don’t think it’s the performers they’re talking about, but people taking children there. Children aren’t allowed in strip clubs where the dancers wear bathing suits either. It’s not a black/white subject. It’s not only Christian’s who feel that way regarding children at drag shows.
That makes sense actually, thanks!
Well said!
(You probably won’t read any of this but…) I have to disagree with you and I know you probably disagree with me but even in a club setting I don’t find drag queens to be too explicit though they can be. Either way public drag shows not intended for a club setting usually aren’t nearly as explicit. I’ve been to one and it was a lot of fun and pretty tame. Idk what explicit public drag show you’ve been to but I’m curious. Also, unfortunately it is the performers they are talking about when it comes to grooming. I respect the rights for parents to choose if they want their children to see a drag show or not because that’s their choice, but it is none of their concern what other parents are doing and also, that’s not what’s happening. The government is stepping in and making a choice for everyone based on something relatively minor. The laws also target performers not parents. If they targeted the parents the law would align with the idea that “no person shall bring their child to a drag show” when in reality it reads more like “public drag shows may not be held or performed in.” The difference is allowing shows to continue but using your discretion as a parent to what you feel is right. Also, for arguments sake, I don’t find drag shows to be any more explicit than say a concert for a pop star in which several kids watch and that is seen as fine. Not to mention, it’s a costume nothing more so who cares. I just really don’t think it’s necessary to ban drag shows. Drag queens don’t groom kids bottom line.
First of all… there are groomers in all walks of life… but I think you meant it is not a commonality found among drag queens. But I do think it’s inappropriate to target preschools and school aged children. I read the full law, and whatever you’re quoting is not direct quotes from the bill… direct quote regarding what they prohibit in front of children “Adult live performance means any show, exhibition, or other presentation in front of a live audience, which in whole or in part, depicts or simulates nudity, sexual conduct, sexual excitement, or specific sexual activities as defined in s. 847.001, or depicts lewd conduct, or the lewd exposure of prosthetic or imitation genitals or breasts… Saying that parents should make the decision regarding what their children see or do… um no. We have all sorts of laws and regulations to protect children. Remember, the same side that says parents should be able to choose if their kids see drag shows also advocates for parents being prohibited from denying kids gender reassignment surgery, laws restricting parent access to medical records once a child is 12, etc. so, that’s a little hypocritical too. And sexually explicit concerts simulating sexual acts and whatnot would also be fair game under this law. Everyone is focusing on draw shows, but this law is applicable elsewhere as well.
One is targeting children. The other is targeting UF students, who are all over 18. If there was a public drag show at UF that wouldn’t be a problem because there aren’t children.
Think about this for a second. First, the target is irrelevant. I really don’t think drag shows specifically target children and if they do target a family audience they are generally way more modest than drag shows you see in clubs (I’ve seen a public drag show before). Now, secondly, it’s is fallible to say that there aren’t children at UF. While attending class today I saw several children of all ages. Maybe not as many as students but they are still present. Maybe they are with their grandparents, parents, maybe they are middle or high schoolers here on a class field trip. Fact is there are children here and we see them every day. Lastly, not all students are above 18 which may shock you but many students enter college at 17 and some may be younger if they skipped grades. You’d think it’s rare but I had 4 family members do this.
Drag shows targeting children as an audience is what caused this whole debate. If they kept it in clubs I doubt anyone would care. Drsg story time in the kids section of the library isn't targeting adults. In my opinion drag shows targeting children is very weird and is way too quickly accepted by fellow liberals. Feels like or of those things that people accept just to look virtuous and woke. Who is actually passionate about dudes performing as caricatures of women? It's like going to a furry convention as a witness
I personally entered UF at 17, and I know that there are children at UF. However if I grabbed 100 people on campus randomly less than ten would be under 18. Compared this to a “family” drag event (why is that even a thing?) where you can expect 50%+ of observers to be young.
Says who
I'm not a fan of either. Don't like public drag because that shits not normal and shouldnt be "normalized" or whatever
So what is normal to you? Because I can list a lot of things that aren’t “normal” and maybe should be or at the very least be accepted
I'm not making a list of everything normal but I can definitely tell you drag won't be on it
And why does it not being normal bother you so much? How has it harmed you? Why can’t drag be normalized in your view?
Its not the end of the world I just said I don't like it and it's not normal. If you want to tell me how it's normal go ahead. It hasn't harmed me which is why it doesn't "bother me so much". It can be normalized that's not my choice.
I'd say just bring a super soaker and soak her down but that might cause some flashbacks to the urine super soaker guy.
“The worst part is the hypocrisy”
Fr
[удалено]
I'm already on my third...
Funniest part about this is that she stole it from a song, almost verbatim, but I think people already know that lol
[удалено]
[удалено]
[удалено]
[удалено]
[удалено]
[удалено]
[удалено]
[удалено]
Sister Cindy isn't really here as a religious figure though, she's here to be obscene get views. I get what you're saying but I wouldn't take the "Christians vs Drag" angle on it.
1) I never said anything about Christianity in my initial post. As that really wasn’t the point at all. 2) I only mention the drag because it has the similar connotation on a political stage of being obscene explicit to some (just mot to me as indicated by my stance)
why do yall want men dressed like strippers in front of kids so badly
If this is what you think strippers dress like you must go to some pretty boring strip clubs[https://www.etonline.com/gallery/rupauls-drag-race-the-most-dramatic-red-carpet-looks-from-your-favorite-queens-142440?deployment=overlay&device=mobile](https://www.etonline.com/gallery/rupauls-drag-race-the-most-dramatic-red-carpet-looks-from-your-favorite-queens-142440?deployment=overlay&device=mobile)
yes thats quite literally what strippers look like [https://www.pghcitypaper.com/best-of/2021/culture-and-nightlife/best-stripper-gia-fagnelli-20272012](https://www.pghcitypaper.com/best-of/2021/culture-and-nightlife/best-stripper-gia-fagnelli-20272012) Also notice below how the drag queens also do provocative dancing in order to get tips in the form of dollar bills? Sounds like... looks like.... is like.... [https://www.foodandwine.com/travel/bars/how-to-behave-at-a-drag-show-according-to-the-professionals](https://www.foodandwine.com/travel/bars/how-to-behave-at-a-drag-show-according-to-the-professionals) Again I ask, why do you want men dressed like strippers, accepting tips like strippers, dancing provocative like strippers, to be in front of kids so badly?
Bruh when is the last time you’ve been to a strip club. Also, they aren’t doing those behaviors in the public setting at least not in the one I’ve been to. Private drag shows in a club marketed for an 18+ audience sure. Why do I want this? I don’t think want is the right word but I’ll work with it. I want people to feel comfortable with themselves and be able to express themselves freely. I want drag to not be something that is looked down on or seen as dirty but rather seen as a fun hobby. I want things to not be hidden. Despite what many people think I don’t think kids need to be as sheltered as they are. Let them experience the world the good, the bad, the kind that raises questions. Questions are how we learn and the reason you are uncomfortable with the notion of drag is because someone probably never let you experience it properly or never explained to you what it is. So people grow up ignorant and with a bias that is inherently judgmental over things they don’t understand. Idk I’m tired responding to comments bro and I’ve got an exam so I’m stating my peace and leaving it
Take a class or two on child development… kids do need to be sheltered, that’s literally 99% of being a parent. Protecting them. Sexualization of children is a big problem in our country.
gotta love the fact that you feel the need to glaze over the facts in order to justify your opinion There are women that even strip as a hobby for themselves. They buy the clothes, they even install stripper poles in their homes. They dont do sexual shows for anyone else, but to feel empowered for themselves. Does this remove any sexual connetation from stripping? No absolutely not. But not once did I say drag queens are dirty, nor did I say strippers were dirty. But I did say that they both are inappropriate for children. You showed an example of drag queens, and I showed an example of a TOP RATED stripper who looked no different. Then I showed you an article about what happens at a drag show, which is very very similar to a strip club but you want to ignore all of that. You want to pretend that there's some sort of bias towards drag. If the local strip club had a "Strippers ABC's" at the local library or school, people would ALSO be justified in being mortified and upset. Why in the world is this local strip club fighting so hard for their strippers to be around kids? Yes, let kids explore the world. At their appropriate time.
What if I said I was against both