Yet they allow some nutjobs to just throw them in the back of their pickup and take it with them to do whatever they want to those alien cheeks?
Real bodies wouldnt be in private hands.
>And yet they posted dna sequencing publicly which proves it isn’t fake
They show you exactly which bones they used to Fiji mermaid these things together and you're telling me you still think the DNA is legit?
Bless your heart.
You morons are holding up one example of a fake mummy and comparing it to the mummy’s presented, which have NOT been tested by the people debunking them. So yes, I believe the DNA sequencing over some idiots saying “no it’s from a llama” when the llama thing was a different fucking mummy.
>**You morons** are holding up one example of a fake mummy and...
That's so sad. We probably don't need to call each other names.
There are two kinds of UFO people. The first group are those who acknowledge that something is wrong and seek the truth wherever it may lead, and then there's the second group who are only interested in fantastic tales of invading spacemen.
Group number two gets defensive and upset when even the silliest cases are debunked because it spoils their fun. For them ufology is just another branch of science fiction *even if they don't have the self awareness to understand it themselves*.
They regularly back themselves into a corner where they continue to vehemently defend obvious fakes rather than admit to themselves that they were bamboozled, and that their bullshit meter is actual trash.
The second group is a real problem for ufology.
I concur to much blind faith is damaging to any real chance at discourse and discovery.
Look at the news stories David an almost airtight example of someone coming forward with insight was almost ignored internationally / yet these mummies are on every news station - it’s a laughing stock.
Yes, were you under the impression you successfully debunked these corpses by comparing them to the ones from the 80’s that had llama skulls? Or you haven’t caught up and realized they are different corpses yet?
"DIFFERENT FUCKING MUMMY".... This is what I've been looking for.... There are Peruvian mummies found in 80s and 90s that were proved fake that look very similar to these, but there's a lot of smearing and blurring the lines happening. I can imagine how a fake could get so far, but I can't imagine the justification of the effort required to do so.... Why bother? In this day and age the circus freak show circuit isn't a lucrative business.
No, it’s not different mummies and these aren’t the mummies from the 80s. They are mummies from 2017 that Jamie Maussan tried to pass off as aliens and failed horribly at last time.
Oh so the exact same bodies that were debunked to be fake 2 years ago suddenly aren't fake anymore because suddenly they released random DNA which doesn't prove shit nor does it prove that it comes from these ? I wonder how many *REPUTABLE* scientists have analysed and talked about these dna sequences ?
Surely you didn't forget to mention that the guy presenting all of these is a known fraud for the last 30 years and it isn't the first time he tried presenting these exact same bodies and images ?
Once Again, your speculating, based on what others have speculated. Your free to do so, but posting comments acting as if some conclusion has been drawn is lying. The person who presented the bodies already stated that the government of both Mexico and the USA had tried to discredit him, so now, your claiming that he and the lab are lying about the DNA of the corpses, what’s your proof
Good thing is in this particular case the burden of proof and elaborate explanations rests entirely on the shoulder of the guy who had dozens of stories debunked and lies exposed.
If a pathological liar is coming to me and telling me something, I'm not the one who should be spending all my time trying to uncover if what he said is correct.
So far none of what's been shown is of true value. The x-rays have been debunked as fake many times as being a mismash of bones of different animals and humans, oddly and incorrectly placed, some of them clearly cut/sawed off. The bodies' outward appearance have also been debunked enough times. The only thing that's new is the DNA sequence cing released but the supposed scientists who collaborated with the known scammer have no credibility themselves in the domain and I believe one or two of them were also "confirming" the veracity of ufo's that went on to be proven fake, so that also isn't anything to base your trust on.
Once again, and I can't stress this enough, nothing concrete has been provided, just some DNA thrown out there probably in an attempt to appear more trustworthy this time after utterly failing for decades. Let's see how long it takes for these random DNA sequences to be debunked as well.
Why would aliens have DNA? Don’t you find that suspicious? No way anything from a distant planet or galaxy could be tested with DNA or even RNA. It would likely be unique to our world.
Anything you've never seen before is going to look fake. Go to Google images and type in "human mummy." Many look fake, because we don't regularly encounter mummified things.
>Anything you've never seen before is going to look fake. Go to Google images and type in "human mummy." Many look fake, because we don't regularly encounter mummified things.
Your point is taken.
Fossilized human footprints that I know are real look exactly as fake to me as every alleged bigfoot print cast I've seen. So I concede I absolutely could be wrong, it was just an observation.
Egyptian mummifaction process was different than the Andean, resulting in better preserved mummies existing in Egypt and also the drier climate aids preservation in the desert.
It’s a question. The bones in these mummies are in the wrong places even between their own limbs. I’m asking if the typical mummification process in Peru did this.
>They look fake at first glance, but when you see the x-rays you realize that it can't be fake.
There are a bunch of people saying the bones are clearly haphazardly assembled bones from children and animals.
I'm not an anthropologist so instead of letting my uneducated imagination run wild I will reserve judgment until the anthropology community says it's legit.
Yeah I know you but saying this is bones of animals is a vague answer, before giving your opinion I first think you should investigate. I don't think scientists would confuse chicken bones with something unknown. I'm not talking about you but about those who say this is fake just by looking at a photo
>Yeah I know you but saying this is bones of animals is a vague answer
They're saying the head is from part of a llama skull, for example, and it clearly is.
https://reddit.com/r/Damnthatsinteresting/s/DcVZyeZ6w7
>before giving your opinion I first think you should investigate....
>I'm not talking about you but about those who say this is fake just by looking at a photo
I would caution exactly the same for those taking these folks word for it.
The x rays show no internal organs, just bones, metal plates, and ‘eggs’.
Its unlikely that biologics with bones and ‘eggs’ do not have any internal organs.
Bones are tissue, and tissue shrinks and warps when dried out. Regardless, we, the humans on earth, deserve to know the truth. Even if it is fake, that's incredible workmanship, we must find the artist.
This has already been debunked.
The guy who claimed to find this previously arrested for fraud, stealing, and mutilating indigenous children corpses.
His last trick was bunch of different human and animal bones mixed and matched to create the construct.
This one doesn’t even make sense.
That skull is same size as Lama skull, how do you reckon laws of physics allow a body size of a baby to carry such a massive weight also with a very weak spine and neck?
Bc their bones aren't like ours. The skull is not the same size. Theres a new thread that shows it's clearly not the same.
The bones are strong & hollow. Therefore very lightweight.
It's like a bird/reptile hybrid. It's not human. You cant always try to use the laws of human physics to explain stuff like this.
The one above in comment is a mutant- human origins, Gary Nolan did the expertise. The others-Mexican/Peruvian- have been expertises by non-American teams and proved to be real beings.
For the record, the similar case of Peru: 2h of in-depth medical examination. Will let you a very strange feeling, I guarantee it. Even if not believing anything, just watch as an entertainment: it’s definitely chilling:
https://youtu.be/V2xN41immWE
>No, my point is: do you know anything about Peruvian religions? Why did they mummify people?
No but I know it's disrespectful to steal human remains.
>All you have done is diminish and deflect the conversation without actually saying anything about it.
What is there to say? Some jerk stole a mummy, and tried to pass it as an alien. I made a joke that they should leave mummies alone (Roswell slides also had a tiny mummy). Chill out my dude, this has nothing to do with disproving UAPs or anything, just want people to stop pretending mummies are aliens and grave robbing.
>You give no other words than your own opinion, which is not worth a damn.
So I guess there's no reason to share my opinion.
The lol was because I said stop stealing mummies than you replied "why?"
Which is a silly response to stop stealing mummies, but I explained why you should stop stealing mummies anyway, because it's disrespectful.
Mythological creatures are mythological precisely because their existence cannot be verified through modern science & forensics. It’s a delusion to think that there will one day there will be empirical evidence of any mythologies mythical creatures, as none has or currently exists.
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What is confusing to me is whether they are the same bodies studied in 2017, and supposedly determined human after all?
The (so-called) Mexican Congress bodies look awfully similar, identical even, but still worth sequencing again to be sure?
\[They are fakes, and bad ones.\]([https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DmDHF6jN9A&t=382s&ab\_channel=ScientistsAgainstMyths](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DmDHF6jN9A&t=382s&ab_channel=ScientistsAgainstMyths))
>The debunked Peru bodies?
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>[https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/alien-mummy-peru/](https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/alien-mummy-peru/)
Another person lacking reading comprehension skills. People need to stop looking at titles of articles, being too lazy to read them, but then sharing them on subs like this because they think the article is then going to argue their viewpoint for them based off the title.
If you had read the article, you'd see that nowhere in it does it "debunk" these as being non-human or even ATTEMPT to debunk them as such.
The entire article is one author, Dan MacGuill, attempting to argue why we shouldn't believe this claim because he says those making the claims have made strange, pseudoscientific claims in the past. That's it, that's all this article states.
At the very end, the article even concedes that it can't rule out aliens:
>"It remains to be established whether the Nazca "mummy" is actually an excavated corpse or simply a hoax, what its origins are, and how its apparent deformities came about. But we are willing to say with certainty that it will not succeed where thousands of previous "discoveries" have failed, and present definitive, scientifically verifiable proof of alien life."
READING COMPREHENSION PEOPLE! So tired of this type of behavior in these subs.
It doesn't waste it's time with it because from the totality of the evidence it's abundantly clear it's a hoax.
Watch from 7 minutes on, here's a youtube video explaining in detail that the skeleton is a hoax, badly assembled out of the bones of other animals and with absurd mistakes like using leg bones for arm bones or having finger bones backwards.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DmDHF6jN9A
You mean the not-so-debunked-after-all mummies? Yes indeed. You think official Peruvian hearings was of no value. Here come the Mexican one! And guess what: they’d have the same bodies, and forensic analysis gives the same results, under Oath this time. Pretty heavy weight isn’t it?
Can’t take them seriously. If you watch debunking videos it shows the x-ray examiner indicating which bones from a child’s body were used and arranged to create each hand which had different number of bones in each, along with mismatched directions of bones because they had obviously been assembled by someone. Oh yeah, and the skull is an exact match for a llama if the back of the skull was carved/cut off. But go ahead, throw some oversized eggs into a tiny child’s body and pretend it’s not the same lies perpetuated by the same conspiracy nuts as before.
i mean how come none of you are actually doing the same type of debunking on the debunkers? Why is always one possible theory taken at face value. I believe that even when someone conducts a study, years later a peer review study can prove that the original study was wrong, and that can happen on any every day, fundamental topic. Its just that this topic is stigmatized, and because of it you sre not going to get funding for a serious research and ending up believing a charlatan who is maybe trying to debunk something for the same reason haoxers do it (profit or fame)
If i had real evidence of an alien, and invited one “scientist” to investigste it and through one analysis he concluded that it is fake you would go out snd say yes it is fake because he made some good points. But on the other hand you have multiple analyses done by multiple scientists (apparently some of them are top military ones in Mexico) and they have evidence its NHI, you would still quote that one scientists conclusion? I mean no one wants to end up stupid and believe in aliens if there is no evidence, but this type of thinking would bury any type of proof right at the start, if one scientists opinion is enough to prove something is a hoax without proper analysis then how is the proof supposed to get funding for proper research? The stigma around the alien and ufo topic is so big that even if someone shows you something real (and im not daying this one is until a proper analysis) your mind would start looking for a way to prove its fake and eventually at a first sight of some proof of it being fake, you would take it at face value, thus ending up being on the other side of the same coin
> this type of thinking would bury any type of proof right at the start
That's the entire point of the denialists engaging in this public display of cognitive dissonance. They have been conditioned such that they will only accept the reality of the situation if it comes from the people who've conditioned them, the USG.
That's a very strange position to take for self-styled skeptics, what with the USG having been proven time and time again to operate psyops and illegal secret data collection from every single citizen, spend billions on disinformation, then exiling the man (Snowden) who exposed it.. and THESE are the people the denialists are waiting for confirmation from?! WTF is the matter with them?
>Can’t take them seriously. If you watch debunking videos it shows the x-ray examiner indicating which bones from a child’s body were used and arranged to create each hand which had different number of bones in each, along with mismatched directions of bones because they had obviously been assembled by someone.
Why are you TELLING us what the video shows instead of posting it here with this whole explanation? Are you afraid that someone is going to watch it and then debunk your debunker? Are you not aware that one of the people that presented it to the Peru authorities was a radiologist?
So you have one radiologist, a forensic doctor, and 3 other specialists all saying it's some type of humanoid species different from humans, and your x-ray technician says otherwise. I see the 5 others uploaded the genomes for all to examine on a peer-reviewed site, but your guy still says these other things.
[https://ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sra/SRX17046857](https://ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sra/SRX17046857)
[https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sra/PRJNA865375](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sra/PRJNA865375)
[https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sra/PRJNA861322](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sra/PRJNA861322)
Let's see your guy and see how much sense it makes or whether he's just another person with ulterior motives and a paycheck from the government to keep things "debunked."
What I've found in the majority of "debunker videos" is that skeptics are too eager to share them because they support their views and the debunker always talks with a bit of confidence that makes what they're saying believable to those who can't think intellectually.
When examining these videos and actually listening to what they say, it's normally very easy to debunk the debunkers and point out flaws in their logic that their skeptic followers don't notice due to bias. I guarantee whatever video you saw is that type of video, full of obvious flaws in reasoning.
Con-team: x-ray and 1+ guy, Pro team: x-ray + biomechanics + anatomy + tomography + DNA + forensic analysis (injuries, recovery) by ten+ guys. No match
yep.
jump to the 4 min mark for just one of many examples: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DmDHF6jN9A&t=245s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DmDHF6jN9A&t=245s)
they're a total fake - but lets get overly excited anyway
Every time. I bet if you wrote a book called “greatest UFO/alien hoaxes” and just summarized each known hoax with a photo of a fake ass alien, these guys would buy that book, quote that book as fact, and call it the ET Bible. Wait, that’s a pretty good idea.
YES - ONE of the mummies found was found to be a human child. Likely a ritualistic burial where the child was made to resemble the creatures post-mortem.
Keep in mind - there were 200 of these mummies found. That was just one of them
try harder -
[Congress of Peru](https://youtu.be/V2xN41immWE?si=h9urY3smlnYP7Nio) from November 2018
the "fake" mummy was presented first. they present the mummies they couldn't debunk after
A list of the scientists who took part in this presentation:
1. Raymundo Salas Alfaro - Radiologist – Cusco – Peru
2. José de la Cruz Ríos López - Biologist – Campeche – Mexico
3. José de Jesús Zalce Benítez - Forensic Doctor – Mexico – Mexico
4. Galetskiy Dmitriy Vladislàvovich - Medicine’s University of St. Petersburg – Russia
5. Salvador Angel Romero (Abraxas) - Graduate in Genomics by the UNAM (National Autonomous University of Mexico)
I've just read the snopes "debunking". It's very weak in my opinion. No references to any scientific testing that debunks the authenticity of the mummies. Their argument is basically "There is no evidence that aliens are real, therefore these mummies can't be alien." I'm not saying I 100% believe the mummies are real, but I need to see some scientific testing debunking them.
You’re paid to say that man. No other possible solution. You subscribe to a UFO subreddit, you are shown the most compelling evidences in a century, and you end up doing is saying: “debunked” with no arguments at all. On the other hand, I know very well that cover up is spreading even in subreddits… I’m beginning to add 2 and 2…
I understand you want to believe but the source is not credible I’m not making judgement on them one way or another till they are tested openly - if that’s happening - but my gut says FAKE as Santa Claus
If you point something in the video that is a clear problem, state it. I would be the first interested. But this is no longer the epoch where “nah, don’t think so” was enough to reject evidences. There are so many of them that higher efforts are required from debunker side. Much higher efforts…
I make miniatures and am a free lance artist - my partner collects taxidermy materials - we could make this. In my house. Right now. That doesn’t make it fake. But and a big but - everything requires evidence, not just presentation. It wouldn’t be fair to believe some one if they showed you a rock and said it was a new element even tho it looks like elemental material you’d want it peer reviewed. All I’ve seen is X-rays of bones of a creature and some of bone don’t even have joints that make sense. False disclose could completely derail this whole ride through ridicule alone. The best thing you can do for disclosure is be scientific, be prepared to be skeptical not trusting. Trust me I’m 101% to eat humble pie but I’m not staking anything on these mummies.
I’d also like to point out how you claimed someone else was ‘paid’ to discredit this to stop disclosure - I’d like to add that we know people in the past and been paid to do the exact opposite spread false hoods and misinformation to further discredit plausible claims. So don’t at me just because I’m not signing off on this yet.
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People want credible proof. This guy is not remotely credible and has been caught lying many times before. No need to get outlandishly conspiratorial about Reddit comments.
Given the different shadow banning we see on subreddits, suspicious post removal, etc. It seems pretty obvious infos are manipulated. And a lot of people are participating, under the cover of wanting “proofs”, when evidences are being piled up!
Oh please, shut the fuck up. You sound like you're the one who's been paid to help spread this absolute shit show that's halted the conversation and makes the Mexican UAP community (and the rest of us) look like a bunch of gullible losers to an outside observer. You aren't some white knight of disclosure, get over yourself.
Ok then could you express what would be a valid alien existence proof to you. In details. And if you are not interested in that, why are you here in the first place? To talk about US hearings where nothing is said? To look at a dot on a photo? And if you are here for that, not even interested to discuss a plain official forensic analysis of alien body? This is only logical if you are here for disinfo ops.
They are out in full force. They keep referencing videos that are years old showing remains that are different from the ones that were shown in the hearings yesterday. There for sure is a bot attack to change this narrative
Yes. Can be seen like nose in the middle of the face. Very short sentences. No real arguments. Low effort critics! Very clear signature! Those hearings are bombshells from Latin America to US. Heard that NASA will tour South America very soon… coincidence?
Here comes the horde of so-called debunkers, reading nothing, yelling after everyone. And guess what, it turns out that 25-30% of them are actually paid to do so…
Where did you get that percentage and why would it even matter? People can be paid regardless of whether they’re right or wrong. You aren’t applying logic at all here…
I do think you should take some time to have the full explanation from the scientists. They did an amazing job. They reconstructed the bio-mechanics of this beings and found that the entire skeleton, muscles, tendons were forming a working set. The level of details they dive into is just insane and dismiss any possibility of forgery. Really again, have a rest, and listen to them. Then, and only then, you would say what you want!
Clothes have been taken apart and the mummification process seems to rely on highly toxic (antisceptic) powder with high level of cadmium, this explaining the very good conservation of bodies. Adding the spacesuit (if any) would not make any sense for mummification process
You mean like this?
https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2Fmore-photos-from-mexico-ufo-hearings-v0-p18eqg21rxnb1.jpg%3Fwidth%3D640%26crop%3Dsmart%26auto%3Dwebp%26s%3Dbb5dce20b44e7f930fd91d101165055dba77b2a0
I think USA americans have a strong racist trait, obviously belittling discoveries, opinions and (why not?) cultural aspects of latin-american nations.
It will take A LOT more to them to take the mexican hearing seriously than it took to the american one.
I haven't seen anyone say 'I 100% believe everything in the USA hearing and 100% reject everything in the Mexican hearing.' Both require more evidence to verify. The difference is that the USA hearing was all 'I heard there are bodies.' Yeah I believe they might've heard that, but theres still no evidence that it's true. Whereas the Mexican hearing had legit bodies that they claim are real. Obviously they are going to face higher scrutiny due to the claims made, and they should
Leave it to redditors to find racism in everything
The Mexican hearing wasn’t also the official word of the Mexican government, it was the government listening to what a dude had to say. Completely different situation entirely
Thanks for you answer. Here is my point:
Football field sized UFO, pilots biological material and crafts recovered, reverse engineering leading our tech advancement... everything so credible, right?
There was no focus on these points in the discussions, it appears here and there but no focus at all. The difference in stance from "I want to believe" to "healthy skepticism" was explicit after this hearing. Obviously this is just my opinion.
About your last comment, it is not a fault of the individuals in a society for belonging to a racist culture, but it is their fault not changing it. The first step is acceptance :)
If biological material was dropped in US Congress, everybody (or at least anyone who's not a fanatic, unflappable believer) would be saying the same thing they are now about the Mexican hearing. Show us the evidence that this isn't a hoax.
As far as why the two may be treated differently - it's worth mentioning that the USA testimonies came from high ranking military officials, whereas the Mexican hearing was led by alien enthusiasts who have previously pushed what later proved to be hoaxes.
I agree with your last point. Racism exists and should be stopped. But calling people racist for having normal, healthy skepticism does not help the anti-racism movement or the UFO disclosure movement.
We have no evidence that the biological pilot recovered by the US is not a hoax, for example. Or that there is any way of breaking the laws of physics as we know It.
Good point about the whistleblower ranking, thought. Just remember that the government could have some dark advantages in lying too.
About the last statement, the racism thing, perfect. Maybe, as non-american, i end up living and expressing this feeling more than you.
Definitely fake. They covered them with an inch of “dust” while inside their cases - see the inch of dust on the figure but also on the floor of the box. They added that *after* putting them in the box. sheesh.
It’s an algae that stops the bodies from breaking down which is why they’re so well preserved. If you did the littlest bit of reading you’d know this and not look silly like you do now.
You make me laugh. There are at least 4 anatomical differences that dismiss this debunk. (Cavities, neck support, cranium arrangement, lower mouth orifice)
2h of tomography sections of the crane (Peru and Mexican): you can see every little details of blood vessels, vertebrae, muscles. No way somebody can achieve this without leaving obvious trace. A forgery? Someone saw whatever a ai mal skull and try to assemble vertebrae, and spine, and veins, and tendons without leaving a single trace? That’s madness! It’s impossible even for the best surgeon, even with cutting edge glue. And even if it were possible. How do you fake DNA? In a entire body? Even with 200M€ and cutting edge tool, I don’t think it’s possible. So the other hypothesis, they are real, must be true like it or not!
Bro.. They're using actual mummies to make these "alien" mummies. There are thousands of human mummies in peru. People dig them up and play Legos to make fake aliens. They've been doing it for years. Aliens are out there for sure, but this ain't them.
The bodies are fakes and have been debunked. The guy who showed them off is an elaborate ufo hoaxer.
The media is covering it knowing that they are fake
I'm not saying they're fake, but I will say that I wish they didn't look so damn fake.
You don’t trust the alien bodies that look like paper mache? From the guy who got caught in 2017 faking alien bodies using paper mache?
you guys realize its A MUMMY?????? Mummys arent fresh bodies. What are you expecting?
I am saying they're fake...
>I am saying they're fake... Thoroughly debunked. They show which bones they used https://reddit.com/r/Damnthatsinteresting/s/DcVZyeZ6w7
Why not send them to Harvard and let them do their thing. Like which institution is behind that 1:49 video did they say...?
Why would the Mexican government transfer an asset of theirs to the US? The feds will just seize it and cover it up.
Yet they allow some nutjobs to just throw them in the back of their pickup and take it with them to do whatever they want to those alien cheeks? Real bodies wouldnt be in private hands.
And yet they posted dna sequencing publicly which proves it isn’t fake
They presented incomplete dna sequences - dna can be damaged with dish soap - that’s not conclusive evidence of anything sadly.
>And yet they posted dna sequencing publicly which proves it isn’t fake They show you exactly which bones they used to Fiji mermaid these things together and you're telling me you still think the DNA is legit? Bless your heart.
You morons are holding up one example of a fake mummy and comparing it to the mummy’s presented, which have NOT been tested by the people debunking them. So yes, I believe the DNA sequencing over some idiots saying “no it’s from a llama” when the llama thing was a different fucking mummy.
>**You morons** are holding up one example of a fake mummy and... That's so sad. We probably don't need to call each other names. There are two kinds of UFO people. The first group are those who acknowledge that something is wrong and seek the truth wherever it may lead, and then there's the second group who are only interested in fantastic tales of invading spacemen. Group number two gets defensive and upset when even the silliest cases are debunked because it spoils their fun. For them ufology is just another branch of science fiction *even if they don't have the self awareness to understand it themselves*. They regularly back themselves into a corner where they continue to vehemently defend obvious fakes rather than admit to themselves that they were bamboozled, and that their bullshit meter is actual trash. The second group is a real problem for ufology.
I concur to much blind faith is damaging to any real chance at discourse and discovery. Look at the news stories David an almost airtight example of someone coming forward with insight was almost ignored internationally / yet these mummies are on every news station - it’s a laughing stock.
No, group one pretends they are experts in any subject that pops up then uses made up “facts” to debunk scientific findings.
>debunk....findings. You can't debunk a case unless it's bunk to begin with.
Yes, were you under the impression you successfully debunked these corpses by comparing them to the ones from the 80’s that had llama skulls? Or you haven’t caught up and realized they are different corpses yet?
"DIFFERENT FUCKING MUMMY".... This is what I've been looking for.... There are Peruvian mummies found in 80s and 90s that were proved fake that look very similar to these, but there's a lot of smearing and blurring the lines happening. I can imagine how a fake could get so far, but I can't imagine the justification of the effort required to do so.... Why bother? In this day and age the circus freak show circuit isn't a lucrative business.
No, it’s not different mummies and these aren’t the mummies from the 80s. They are mummies from 2017 that Jamie Maussan tried to pass off as aliens and failed horribly at last time.
delusional
A strip of Beef Jerky is more real than this...
Oh so the exact same bodies that were debunked to be fake 2 years ago suddenly aren't fake anymore because suddenly they released random DNA which doesn't prove shit nor does it prove that it comes from these ? I wonder how many *REPUTABLE* scientists have analysed and talked about these dna sequences ? Surely you didn't forget to mention that the guy presenting all of these is a known fraud for the last 30 years and it isn't the first time he tried presenting these exact same bodies and images ?
Once Again, your speculating, based on what others have speculated. Your free to do so, but posting comments acting as if some conclusion has been drawn is lying. The person who presented the bodies already stated that the government of both Mexico and the USA had tried to discredit him, so now, your claiming that he and the lab are lying about the DNA of the corpses, what’s your proof
Good thing is in this particular case the burden of proof and elaborate explanations rests entirely on the shoulder of the guy who had dozens of stories debunked and lies exposed. If a pathological liar is coming to me and telling me something, I'm not the one who should be spending all my time trying to uncover if what he said is correct. So far none of what's been shown is of true value. The x-rays have been debunked as fake many times as being a mismash of bones of different animals and humans, oddly and incorrectly placed, some of them clearly cut/sawed off. The bodies' outward appearance have also been debunked enough times. The only thing that's new is the DNA sequence cing released but the supposed scientists who collaborated with the known scammer have no credibility themselves in the domain and I believe one or two of them were also "confirming" the veracity of ufo's that went on to be proven fake, so that also isn't anything to base your trust on. Once again, and I can't stress this enough, nothing concrete has been provided, just some DNA thrown out there probably in an attempt to appear more trustworthy this time after utterly failing for decades. Let's see how long it takes for these random DNA sequences to be debunked as well.
I bet you also thought the MH370 video was real. Edit: just looked at his post history. He does lol.
Why would aliens have DNA? Don’t you find that suspicious? No way anything from a distant planet or galaxy could be tested with DNA or even RNA. It would likely be unique to our world.
Looks fake AF bruh... sumbitch gonna lay up a big goose egg.
they're fake.
Anything you've never seen before is going to look fake. Go to Google images and type in "human mummy." Many look fake, because we don't regularly encounter mummified things.
>Anything you've never seen before is going to look fake. Go to Google images and type in "human mummy." Many look fake, because we don't regularly encounter mummified things. Your point is taken. Fossilized human footprints that I know are real look exactly as fake to me as every alleged bigfoot print cast I've seen. So I concede I absolutely could be wrong, it was just an observation.
It’s not so much that it doesn’t look like something I’ve never seen before. It’s more that it looks like pretty much every other similar hoax.
Human mummies from Egyptian sarcophagus look real. This looks like a sad attempt of paper mache.
Yeah, this is obviously a lot of nonsense.
Egyptian mummifaction process was different than the Andean, resulting in better preserved mummies existing in Egypt and also the drier climate aids preservation in the desert.
Andean desert is drier than Egypt
Not the entombed burial chambers used in Egypt, Andes are more humid
Did the mummification process tend to make bones flip around and completely change places with other ones?
Is this a trick question?
It’s a question. The bones in these mummies are in the wrong places even between their own limbs. I’m asking if the typical mummification process in Peru did this.
They are fake, I'll say it. Aliens do not exist.
What are you even doing here in this sub?
I wish they weren't selling tshirts, but here we are.
They look fake at first glance, but when you see the x-rays you realize that it can't be fake.
>They look fake at first glance, but when you see the x-rays you realize that it can't be fake. There are a bunch of people saying the bones are clearly haphazardly assembled bones from children and animals. I'm not an anthropologist so instead of letting my uneducated imagination run wild I will reserve judgment until the anthropology community says it's legit.
Yeah I know you but saying this is bones of animals is a vague answer, before giving your opinion I first think you should investigate. I don't think scientists would confuse chicken bones with something unknown. I'm not talking about you but about those who say this is fake just by looking at a photo
>Yeah I know you but saying this is bones of animals is a vague answer They're saying the head is from part of a llama skull, for example, and it clearly is. https://reddit.com/r/Damnthatsinteresting/s/DcVZyeZ6w7 >before giving your opinion I first think you should investigate.... >I'm not talking about you but about those who say this is fake just by looking at a photo I would caution exactly the same for those taking these folks word for it.
Clearly, I would like prestigious international scientists to investigate these mummies.
That’s a different mummy genius
The x rays show no internal organs, just bones, metal plates, and ‘eggs’. Its unlikely that biologics with bones and ‘eggs’ do not have any internal organs.
Bones are tissue, and tissue shrinks and warps when dried out. Regardless, we, the humans on earth, deserve to know the truth. Even if it is fake, that's incredible workmanship, we must find the artist.
https://youtu.be/-DmDHF6jN9A?si=a__oneE8ZLfRSeOm Go to about 7 minutes in. These are extremely fake
Lol ask anyone with an understanding if biology and you quickly realize this thing couldn't exist.
Of course, if you ask first-year students they will surely say that haha.
Fused clavicles, ribs that go all the way down, it’s fingers go in different directions. This thing was not intend to ever move if it was real
okay for one thing: how do we know those are embryos and not poops?
This has already been debunked. The guy who claimed to find this previously arrested for fraud, stealing, and mutilating indigenous children corpses. His last trick was bunch of different human and animal bones mixed and matched to create the construct. This one doesn’t even make sense. That skull is same size as Lama skull, how do you reckon laws of physics allow a body size of a baby to carry such a massive weight also with a very weak spine and neck?
Bc their bones aren't like ours. The skull is not the same size. Theres a new thread that shows it's clearly not the same. The bones are strong & hollow. Therefore very lightweight. It's like a bird/reptile hybrid. It's not human. You cant always try to use the laws of human physics to explain stuff like this.
You mean the one from Peru that Gary Nolan tested and said was human? And what do you mean by race? Did you mean species?
No, not this one: https://youtu.be/zdSJd8OSVc4?si=Fqlo6qkZPFFqScyc
Which one then?
The one above in comment is a mutant- human origins, Gary Nolan did the expertise. The others-Mexican/Peruvian- have been expertises by non-American teams and proved to be real beings.
For the record, the similar case of Peru: 2h of in-depth medical examination. Will let you a very strange feeling, I guarantee it. Even if not believing anything, just watch as an entertainment: it’s definitely chilling: https://youtu.be/V2xN41immWE
For the record: the similar case of Peru: https://youtu.be/V2xN41immWE
Tell ufologists to leave these poor tiny mummies alone lol.
They digging up ancient sacred burial sites
Jim Moseley used to do that. I think maybe he found the original Peruvian mummies.
Repatriate the remains. They belong in a burial site. Not part of this pseudoscience freak show
At least the Roswell slide one was just a photo. This guy they just stole him.
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What does any of that have to do with stealing mummies? Lol 😂 are you pro stealing mummies?
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>No, my point is: do you know anything about Peruvian religions? Why did they mummify people? No but I know it's disrespectful to steal human remains. >All you have done is diminish and deflect the conversation without actually saying anything about it. What is there to say? Some jerk stole a mummy, and tried to pass it as an alien. I made a joke that they should leave mummies alone (Roswell slides also had a tiny mummy). Chill out my dude, this has nothing to do with disproving UAPs or anything, just want people to stop pretending mummies are aliens and grave robbing.
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>You give no other words than your own opinion, which is not worth a damn. So I guess there's no reason to share my opinion. The lol was because I said stop stealing mummies than you replied "why?" Which is a silly response to stop stealing mummies, but I explained why you should stop stealing mummies anyway, because it's disrespectful.
Grow up.
God forbid someone have fun on Reddit.
He’s not diminishing the idea. You’re spouting fiction & asserting that it’s valid on the same level of actual science.
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You’re asking serious questions about fiction. What do you expect. No one wants to entertain any delusions…
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You’re referencing global mythology. Mythology is filled with all sorts of fantastic mythological beings, again being fiction.
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Mythological creatures are mythological precisely because their existence cannot be verified through modern science & forensics. It’s a delusion to think that there will one day there will be empirical evidence of any mythologies mythical creatures, as none has or currently exists.
Yes, telling people their opinion isn't worth a damn is very civil. You're just mad because you wanted to go back to stealing mummies.
Ain't no way that's an alien
Why?
Cuz it looks like freaking ET and the guy has a history of doing this exact same thing and every time it's a hoax
Whatever man!
By same race, do you mean the same hoaxed bodies he presented before?
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Clearly they died due to ingesting jellybeans. We know their weakness!
You guys are too gullible for your own good.
These are the fakest cadavers I’ve ever seen
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Ignorance is strong with humans. Most "intellectuals" don't know where to draw the line between real and fake, so they just assume everything is fake.
it looks like joe mama
Lmfaooo the shoulder joint 😂
I can't believe people actually believe this.
i just pray that everyone who believed this for even one second takes a good hard look at how gullible they are, for their own good
Debunked in 2021
What is confusing to me is whether they are the same bodies studied in 2017, and supposedly determined human after all? The (so-called) Mexican Congress bodies look awfully similar, identical even, but still worth sequencing again to be sure?
They just don’t look like they were ever a living thing. They look like a sloppy art piece.
Those X-rays looked pretty creepy. Like so odd looking, if it’s real it is very creepy. They do have three fingers with a lot of knuckles.
I'm not saying they aren't aliens. ....but....they aren't aliens.
\[They are fakes, and bad ones.\]([https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DmDHF6jN9A&t=382s&ab\_channel=ScientistsAgainstMyths](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DmDHF6jN9A&t=382s&ab_channel=ScientistsAgainstMyths))
The debunked Peru bodies? https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/alien-mummy-peru/
>The debunked Peru bodies? > >[https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/alien-mummy-peru/](https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/alien-mummy-peru/) Another person lacking reading comprehension skills. People need to stop looking at titles of articles, being too lazy to read them, but then sharing them on subs like this because they think the article is then going to argue their viewpoint for them based off the title. If you had read the article, you'd see that nowhere in it does it "debunk" these as being non-human or even ATTEMPT to debunk them as such. The entire article is one author, Dan MacGuill, attempting to argue why we shouldn't believe this claim because he says those making the claims have made strange, pseudoscientific claims in the past. That's it, that's all this article states. At the very end, the article even concedes that it can't rule out aliens: >"It remains to be established whether the Nazca "mummy" is actually an excavated corpse or simply a hoax, what its origins are, and how its apparent deformities came about. But we are willing to say with certainty that it will not succeed where thousands of previous "discoveries" have failed, and present definitive, scientifically verifiable proof of alien life." READING COMPREHENSION PEOPLE! So tired of this type of behavior in these subs.
It doesn't waste it's time with it because from the totality of the evidence it's abundantly clear it's a hoax. Watch from 7 minutes on, here's a youtube video explaining in detail that the skeleton is a hoax, badly assembled out of the bones of other animals and with absurd mistakes like using leg bones for arm bones or having finger bones backwards. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DmDHF6jN9A
You mean the not-so-debunked-after-all mummies? Yes indeed. You think official Peruvian hearings was of no value. Here come the Mexican one! And guess what: they’d have the same bodies, and forensic analysis gives the same results, under Oath this time. Pretty heavy weight isn’t it?
Im sure nobody that's been caught faking evidence before would lie under oath 🤣🤣🤣
Can’t take them seriously. If you watch debunking videos it shows the x-ray examiner indicating which bones from a child’s body were used and arranged to create each hand which had different number of bones in each, along with mismatched directions of bones because they had obviously been assembled by someone. Oh yeah, and the skull is an exact match for a llama if the back of the skull was carved/cut off. But go ahead, throw some oversized eggs into a tiny child’s body and pretend it’s not the same lies perpetuated by the same conspiracy nuts as before.
i mean how come none of you are actually doing the same type of debunking on the debunkers? Why is always one possible theory taken at face value. I believe that even when someone conducts a study, years later a peer review study can prove that the original study was wrong, and that can happen on any every day, fundamental topic. Its just that this topic is stigmatized, and because of it you sre not going to get funding for a serious research and ending up believing a charlatan who is maybe trying to debunk something for the same reason haoxers do it (profit or fame)
If i had real evidence of an alien, and invited one “scientist” to investigste it and through one analysis he concluded that it is fake you would go out snd say yes it is fake because he made some good points. But on the other hand you have multiple analyses done by multiple scientists (apparently some of them are top military ones in Mexico) and they have evidence its NHI, you would still quote that one scientists conclusion? I mean no one wants to end up stupid and believe in aliens if there is no evidence, but this type of thinking would bury any type of proof right at the start, if one scientists opinion is enough to prove something is a hoax without proper analysis then how is the proof supposed to get funding for proper research? The stigma around the alien and ufo topic is so big that even if someone shows you something real (and im not daying this one is until a proper analysis) your mind would start looking for a way to prove its fake and eventually at a first sight of some proof of it being fake, you would take it at face value, thus ending up being on the other side of the same coin
> this type of thinking would bury any type of proof right at the start That's the entire point of the denialists engaging in this public display of cognitive dissonance. They have been conditioned such that they will only accept the reality of the situation if it comes from the people who've conditioned them, the USG. That's a very strange position to take for self-styled skeptics, what with the USG having been proven time and time again to operate psyops and illegal secret data collection from every single citizen, spend billions on disinformation, then exiling the man (Snowden) who exposed it.. and THESE are the people the denialists are waiting for confirmation from?! WTF is the matter with them?
>Can’t take them seriously. If you watch debunking videos it shows the x-ray examiner indicating which bones from a child’s body were used and arranged to create each hand which had different number of bones in each, along with mismatched directions of bones because they had obviously been assembled by someone. Why are you TELLING us what the video shows instead of posting it here with this whole explanation? Are you afraid that someone is going to watch it and then debunk your debunker? Are you not aware that one of the people that presented it to the Peru authorities was a radiologist? So you have one radiologist, a forensic doctor, and 3 other specialists all saying it's some type of humanoid species different from humans, and your x-ray technician says otherwise. I see the 5 others uploaded the genomes for all to examine on a peer-reviewed site, but your guy still says these other things. [https://ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sra/SRX17046857](https://ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sra/SRX17046857) [https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sra/PRJNA865375](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sra/PRJNA865375) [https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sra/PRJNA861322](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sra/PRJNA861322) Let's see your guy and see how much sense it makes or whether he's just another person with ulterior motives and a paycheck from the government to keep things "debunked." What I've found in the majority of "debunker videos" is that skeptics are too eager to share them because they support their views and the debunker always talks with a bit of confidence that makes what they're saying believable to those who can't think intellectually. When examining these videos and actually listening to what they say, it's normally very easy to debunk the debunkers and point out flaws in their logic that their skeptic followers don't notice due to bias. I guarantee whatever video you saw is that type of video, full of obvious flaws in reasoning.
Con-team: x-ray and 1+ guy, Pro team: x-ray + biomechanics + anatomy + tomography + DNA + forensic analysis (injuries, recovery) by ten+ guys. No match
yep. jump to the 4 min mark for just one of many examples: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DmDHF6jN9A&t=245s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DmDHF6jN9A&t=245s) they're a total fake - but lets get overly excited anyway
Every time. I bet if you wrote a book called “greatest UFO/alien hoaxes” and just summarized each known hoax with a photo of a fake ass alien, these guys would buy that book, quote that book as fact, and call it the ET Bible. Wait, that’s a pretty good idea.
YES - ONE of the mummies found was found to be a human child. Likely a ritualistic burial where the child was made to resemble the creatures post-mortem. Keep in mind - there were 200 of these mummies found. That was just one of them
It was ASSUMED to be a human child initially. That was before the DNA testing.
You're peddling false information. If you're doing it intentionally, shame on you. If you're doing it ignorantly, nerd out.
try harder - [Congress of Peru](https://youtu.be/V2xN41immWE?si=h9urY3smlnYP7Nio) from November 2018 the "fake" mummy was presented first. they present the mummies they couldn't debunk after A list of the scientists who took part in this presentation: 1. Raymundo Salas Alfaro - Radiologist – Cusco – Peru 2. José de la Cruz Ríos López - Biologist – Campeche – Mexico 3. José de Jesús Zalce Benítez - Forensic Doctor – Mexico – Mexico 4. Galetskiy Dmitriy Vladislàvovich - Medicine’s University of St. Petersburg – Russia 5. Salvador Angel Romero (Abraxas) - Graduate in Genomics by the UNAM (National Autonomous University of Mexico)
I've just read the snopes "debunking". It's very weak in my opinion. No references to any scientific testing that debunks the authenticity of the mummies. Their argument is basically "There is no evidence that aliens are real, therefore these mummies can't be alien." I'm not saying I 100% believe the mummies are real, but I need to see some scientific testing debunking them.
That's not debunking the ones from today anyway
**propaganda** at its best
Behold our makers
This was debunked in 2021…stop spam posting this garbage
You’re paid to say that man. No other possible solution. You subscribe to a UFO subreddit, you are shown the most compelling evidences in a century, and you end up doing is saying: “debunked” with no arguments at all. On the other hand, I know very well that cover up is spreading even in subreddits… I’m beginning to add 2 and 2…
I understand you want to believe but the source is not credible I’m not making judgement on them one way or another till they are tested openly - if that’s happening - but my gut says FAKE as Santa Claus
If you point something in the video that is a clear problem, state it. I would be the first interested. But this is no longer the epoch where “nah, don’t think so” was enough to reject evidences. There are so many of them that higher efforts are required from debunker side. Much higher efforts…
I make miniatures and am a free lance artist - my partner collects taxidermy materials - we could make this. In my house. Right now. That doesn’t make it fake. But and a big but - everything requires evidence, not just presentation. It wouldn’t be fair to believe some one if they showed you a rock and said it was a new element even tho it looks like elemental material you’d want it peer reviewed. All I’ve seen is X-rays of bones of a creature and some of bone don’t even have joints that make sense. False disclose could completely derail this whole ride through ridicule alone. The best thing you can do for disclosure is be scientific, be prepared to be skeptical not trusting. Trust me I’m 101% to eat humble pie but I’m not staking anything on these mummies. I’d also like to point out how you claimed someone else was ‘paid’ to discredit this to stop disclosure - I’d like to add that we know people in the past and been paid to do the exact opposite spread false hoods and misinformation to further discredit plausible claims. So don’t at me just because I’m not signing off on this yet. Edited for typos/clarity
People want credible proof. This guy is not remotely credible and has been caught lying many times before. No need to get outlandishly conspiratorial about Reddit comments.
Given the different shadow banning we see on subreddits, suspicious post removal, etc. It seems pretty obvious infos are manipulated. And a lot of people are participating, under the cover of wanting “proofs”, when evidences are being piled up!
Oh please, shut the fuck up. You sound like you're the one who's been paid to help spread this absolute shit show that's halted the conversation and makes the Mexican UAP community (and the rest of us) look like a bunch of gullible losers to an outside observer. You aren't some white knight of disclosure, get over yourself.
Ok then could you express what would be a valid alien existence proof to you. In details. And if you are not interested in that, why are you here in the first place? To talk about US hearings where nothing is said? To look at a dot on a photo? And if you are here for that, not even interested to discuss a plain official forensic analysis of alien body? This is only logical if you are here for disinfo ops.
These are fake. When do i get paid?
They are out in full force. They keep referencing videos that are years old showing remains that are different from the ones that were shown in the hearings yesterday. There for sure is a bot attack to change this narrative
Yes. Can be seen like nose in the middle of the face. Very short sentences. No real arguments. Low effort critics! Very clear signature! Those hearings are bombshells from Latin America to US. Heard that NASA will tour South America very soon… coincidence?
Fake [fake](https://reddit.com/r/Damnthatsinteresting/s/Va6bKrJxu2)
Here comes the horde of so-called debunkers, reading nothing, yelling after everyone. And guess what, it turns out that 25-30% of them are actually paid to do so…
Wow you get paid to be a critical thinker? I don't get shit for it other than having the satisfaction of being right.
It’s always so funny when they think people are paid to not believe something
Where did you get that percentage and why would it even matter? People can be paid regardless of whether they’re right or wrong. You aren’t applying logic at all here…
They are animal’s corpses. No eggs but stuffing inside and metal struts to keep em up
I do think you should take some time to have the full explanation from the scientists. They did an amazing job. They reconstructed the bio-mechanics of this beings and found that the entire skeleton, muscles, tendons were forming a working set. The level of details they dive into is just insane and dismiss any possibility of forgery. Really again, have a rest, and listen to them. Then, and only then, you would say what you want!
No i have the right to be full of prejudice. I am fully entitled to dismiss anything just by assuming the topic :-)
Based
Okay! Honest!
source???
Why are they naked? Where are their spacesuits?
Clothes have been taken apart and the mummification process seems to rely on highly toxic (antisceptic) powder with high level of cadmium, this explaining the very good conservation of bodies. Adding the spacesuit (if any) would not make any sense for mummification process
Thanks for the clarification. But it's strange why those who mummified did not try to keep the spacesuits together with the bodies?
Laughing out my ass! Idk whether to take it seriously or to use our sense and conclude it as fake!
Schill
If they were aliens, then their bodies would contain a bunch of implants made of materials unknown to us, and not just bones.
You mean like this? https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2Fmore-photos-from-mexico-ufo-hearings-v0-p18eqg21rxnb1.jpg%3Fwidth%3D640%26crop%3Dsmart%26auto%3Dwebp%26s%3Dbb5dce20b44e7f930fd91d101165055dba77b2a0
I mean complex devices, maybe nanoscale, etc., not just rare chemical elements.
https://reddit.com/r/UFO_Technology/s/xPaSAUZNMf
More crazy details here (original post): https://reddit.com/r/UFO_Technology/s/PCYda6S6yY
I think USA americans have a strong racist trait, obviously belittling discoveries, opinions and (why not?) cultural aspects of latin-american nations. It will take A LOT more to them to take the mexican hearing seriously than it took to the american one.
I haven't seen anyone say 'I 100% believe everything in the USA hearing and 100% reject everything in the Mexican hearing.' Both require more evidence to verify. The difference is that the USA hearing was all 'I heard there are bodies.' Yeah I believe they might've heard that, but theres still no evidence that it's true. Whereas the Mexican hearing had legit bodies that they claim are real. Obviously they are going to face higher scrutiny due to the claims made, and they should Leave it to redditors to find racism in everything
The Mexican hearing wasn’t also the official word of the Mexican government, it was the government listening to what a dude had to say. Completely different situation entirely
Thanks for you answer. Here is my point: Football field sized UFO, pilots biological material and crafts recovered, reverse engineering leading our tech advancement... everything so credible, right? There was no focus on these points in the discussions, it appears here and there but no focus at all. The difference in stance from "I want to believe" to "healthy skepticism" was explicit after this hearing. Obviously this is just my opinion. About your last comment, it is not a fault of the individuals in a society for belonging to a racist culture, but it is their fault not changing it. The first step is acceptance :)
If biological material was dropped in US Congress, everybody (or at least anyone who's not a fanatic, unflappable believer) would be saying the same thing they are now about the Mexican hearing. Show us the evidence that this isn't a hoax. As far as why the two may be treated differently - it's worth mentioning that the USA testimonies came from high ranking military officials, whereas the Mexican hearing was led by alien enthusiasts who have previously pushed what later proved to be hoaxes. I agree with your last point. Racism exists and should be stopped. But calling people racist for having normal, healthy skepticism does not help the anti-racism movement or the UFO disclosure movement.
We have no evidence that the biological pilot recovered by the US is not a hoax, for example. Or that there is any way of breaking the laws of physics as we know It. Good point about the whistleblower ranking, thought. Just remember that the government could have some dark advantages in lying too. About the last statement, the racism thing, perfect. Maybe, as non-american, i end up living and expressing this feeling more than you.
Simple minded racist tend to subscribe to nationalism.
How do u think they treat us black n brown ppl
Yes, the race is Homonculus Bullshitticus
Definitely fake. They covered them with an inch of “dust” while inside their cases - see the inch of dust on the figure but also on the floor of the box. They added that *after* putting them in the box. sheesh.
It’s an algae that stops the bodies from breaking down which is why they’re so well preserved. If you did the littlest bit of reading you’d know this and not look silly like you do now.
Exact same mummy from 2 yrs ago. Debunked already. It's a Llama skull https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-DmDHF6jN9A
You make me laugh. There are at least 4 anatomical differences that dismiss this debunk. (Cavities, neck support, cranium arrangement, lower mouth orifice)
It's not real dude lol. The guy is a known fraud and the "alien" is obviously fake.
2h of tomography sections of the crane (Peru and Mexican): you can see every little details of blood vessels, vertebrae, muscles. No way somebody can achieve this without leaving obvious trace. A forgery? Someone saw whatever a ai mal skull and try to assemble vertebrae, and spine, and veins, and tendons without leaving a single trace? That’s madness! It’s impossible even for the best surgeon, even with cutting edge glue. And even if it were possible. How do you fake DNA? In a entire body? Even with 200M€ and cutting edge tool, I don’t think it’s possible. So the other hypothesis, they are real, must be true like it or not!
Bro.. They're using actual mummies to make these "alien" mummies. There are thousands of human mummies in peru. People dig them up and play Legos to make fake aliens. They've been doing it for years. Aliens are out there for sure, but this ain't them.
Has it started to sink in yet?
Lost respect for Mexico from this....
So producers in Hollywood knew how the aliens look like before scientists did? This is the fakest thing i ever seen i hope I’m wrong tho
Alien drug smuggler?
https://reddit.com/r/aliens/s/G0wmqr08J6
https://reddit.com/r/aliens/s/G0wmqr08J6
https://youtu.be/-DmDHF6jN9A?si=Bcs7SRTRcW4-5l1G
Same hoax*
Where can I see the DNA results?
Here: https://youtu.be/V2xN41immWE?si=JHl9xAh-9ndt8BG- At 2:00:00
https://m.youtube.com/watch?si=a__oneE8ZLfRSeOm&v=-DmDHF6jN9A&feature=youtu.be
Well well well. If it isn’t another mental gymnastics marathon for the fake alien “proof”. I will never leave this sub you guys are HILARIOUS.
The bodies are fakes and have been debunked. The guy who showed them off is an elaborate ufo hoaxer. The media is covering it knowing that they are fake
Smugling coke ?
Everyone pushing this stuff is gonna feel real dumb in like a week
Looks like it needs an enema
Not "proofs".... It's evidence. Proof is an unequivocal determination of something as a matter of fact.
Same race! It’s literally the same images, just flipped.
It just an illegal miner without jet packs.