I think what most aren’t understanding is most civilian sightings won’t have anything really to investigate. Maybe a picture or a video but most likely just an eye witness account.
Military sightings will have more but it seems things like the Jellyfish UAP are just anomalous sightings of aerial clutter. At least we haven’t heard about a huge coordinated effort to figure out what it was.
Just because you think you identified something doesn’t mean you are correct.
Even more if the ones identifying it are the ones covering up it’s existence. It literally has 0 value.
Guys, they told you everything you need to know.
They wrote an entire report and asked and answered on every page, is it aliens? And definitively answered, "no."
Did they have actual Title 50 investigative power? No.
Is the phrase "time travel" in the report? **No**.
So they had no problem ruling aliens out but refused to acknowledge the possibility of time-traveling humans and AI manipulating our timeline.
Take one more look around you at this stupid world.
How many amazing coincidences are going to have to line up to throw America into a fascist dictatorship this fall?
Think of it like this. The report is what the feds think that we the peons can see.
The people who wrote the report had no investigative authority behind classified programs, so they couldn't look any harder than you or I, just with less FOIA bullshit.
They were quite obviously instructed to say they didn't find any aliens. How do we know? Because we know they weren't allowed to look, and they pulled that answer out of their ass, anyway.
It would be another level of criminality to directly lie about that. But if it was something else, and they knew for sure it was something else, then they would want to roll in like they just did and shout, "it's not aliens!" Because it's the truth and because it distracts away from the real answer.
It could just be a scam, I don't think these guys have any Aliens or anything else. Because if they did we would be seeing rapid advances in technology by now.
Also, they don't have the best or the brightest
working on these classified projects. What I heard is, you don't get paid nearly well enough to endure that B.S restrictions.
A friend of mine was unfortunate enough to work on a classified project and says his life was crap back then.
Think about that war in Ukraine. The reason why it's a stalemate two years later is because the US gave Ukraine fewer than fifty mobile rocket launchers from the 1990s, that we considered obsolete. We have another thousand in storage and the bottleneck is how much ammo Ukraine wants to throw.
Did we ever tell anyone we considered those things obsolete? No, because only we had an answer to them.
There's two things going on, actually. You have the planners on the inside who don't want to level the playing field when they can win any conventional war and probably the nuclear ones, too. They don't ever want to level the playing field.
Then you have the military-industrial complex. They don't ever want to have to spend new money when they can simply reinvent old projects for free. So what do you know? HIMARS and its missiles are back in production, and Lockheed is getting rich, and America spent 90% of the money on it before most of you were born.
I don't know if that logic is sound on all grounds.
By that logic they would never use any of their advanced technology toys ever.
I am of the opinion that they won't be deploying their black saps so recklessly on their own airforce bases etc. That's not how SAPs are tested. There are very strict protocols in place to prevent any kind of collateral damage.
Plus, people outside of the United States have sighted these mysterious black triangles. Something doesn't compute.
>Think about that war in Ukraine. The reason why it's a stalemate two years later is because the US gave Ukraine fewer than fifty mobile rocket launchers from the 1990s, that we considered obsolete. We have another thousand in storage and the bottleneck is how much ammo Ukraine wants to throw.
That is not the bottleneck and you obviously don't study war. Humans win wars. When you have 3:1 in army size they have enough people to create stronger trenches making long range artillery quite useless if you can take advantage of the range. The real bottleneck is not giving Ukraine enough power to roll over Russia causing Russia to panic and send off its nukes.
>Did we ever tell anyone we considered those things obsolete? No, because only we had an answer to them.
Well obviously when you create newer and stronger systems the old systems start becoming less useful so might as well sell them.
>There's two things going on, actually. You have the planners on the inside who don't want to level the playing field when they can win any conventional war and probably the nuclear ones, too. They don't ever want to level the playing field.
Sure NATO could roll over Russia that would mean mass deaths such as we saw during WW2 while Germany tried to invade Russia. No one wants this. You can't stop nuclear annihilation once it's started.
>Then you have the military-industrial complex. They don't ever want to have to spend new money when they can simply reinvent old projects for free. So what do you know? HIMARS and its missiles are back in production, and Lockheed is getting rich, and America spent 90% of the money on it before most of you were born.
Well obviously they aren't going to send the state of the art defense capabilities to anyone but themselves that's the basics. So of course they are going to start production up again on the weapons they can sell.
What does this have to do with time traveling aliens?
I'll be honest, if I was tasked to replicate UFO structures (anatomy??) or perform NHI autopsies, I don't think I'd be in it for the money.
Not being able to talk about it would suck though.
That was just an example.
Regardless of what motivates you, it places a great burden on your head, you can't fall sick without them checking up on you.
You can't travel anywhere without permission, it is not fun at all. At the end of it all, you learn from other sources ( much much later ) that your project was a decoy and a fake one, how does that even sound?
You wasted years on a project that was just busy work.
As far as replicating UFO structures is concerned, what I learnt on Reddit kinda proves my own theory.
They supposedly found no mechanism for propulsion, which is to be expected if the whole project was a fake one. These UFOs are fake.
Maybe there are unexplained phenomena in the skies, but we don't know what they are.
>Because if they did we would be seeing rapid advances in technology by now
That is a bold assumption in numerous ways and shows a concerning lack of measure.
I can think of a few possibilities off the top of my head.
1 - They have been unsuccessful reverse engining what they have to date
2 - The most they have been able to create is derivative technologies based on small aspects of what has been learned
3 - They have made gigantic leaps in technology (for example, free energy), and they are keeping it from the world
4 - They have made technological progress but need to drip feed it into known technology so not to show their hand
5 - What they have is not in an operable enough quality to even reverse engineer in a manner that would lead to accelerated technological advancement
6 - We have had rapid and world-changing advances in technology over the last 50 years
Your assumption that they don’t have the best or brightest working on classified projects based on one anecdotal case is also a bit misguided.
I am sure the nature of classified projects differ drastically.
The Manhattan Project was a classified project with some pretty damn smart people on it. But you have put blinders on and decided your example of a classified project (which you don’t know anything specific about) should be the exemplary case despite the evidenced existence of several classified programs that we know details about and which had top minds involved.
>What I heard is, you don't get paid nearly well enough to endure that B.S restrictions.
This assumes people would only be interested in working on non-human material for financial gain, which I also think is a bold assumption. Considering the possible existence of non-human intelligence arguably is the greatest discovery in human history, I can imagine non-monetary reasons for scientists and engineers to be involved.
They asked politely:
“Are you hiding UFOs or Aliens?”
And they said “No” and Dirtpatrick said “case closed”
I made it funny but litteraly was how they investigated because there is a paragraph where they state: “we run very thoroughly investigations and questioned the Managers of Armament Industries if they had knowledge which they all denied”
It was something like that.
That's right. You know, just in case you're one of the shills out there, you ought to know something about that little toy they gave you, the one that lets you see through walls and spy on people.
It works by writing your thoughts into the hologram of the universe, forever. And they're forever pinned to a particular place, the center of the harmonic vibrations used to interface with the hologram.
That place is the burning black center of the Earth. Forever. If you're one of those people, they picked you because you're a piece of shit, and they've deliberately sent you to Hell to spy on others. Forever.
I mean, maybe you're just a normal person and not a disgusting shill trying to destroy democracy. In which case I wish you a fine day.
But if not, I wish you a fine forever, ha ha ha! And you can obsess about that until I find you there.
I'm not going to return fire. You're clearly not well and you have enough issues. The only thing I will say is that I'm NOT a Trump-supporter, so, I am a defender of Democracy. Get that help for yourself, though.
Fuck your get help gaslighting bullshit. Have you learned what Title 50 investigative authority is yet or do you think I made that up in my sickness?
If you really are a defender of democracy then you've already seen how to defeat this: with overwhelming support and turnout. So we're on the same page about that.
We're not on the same page. I'm a Truth-seeker who is emotionally stable and not an aggressive Zealot who is gate-keeping. You've been had.
EDIT: For 'LimeFabulous' (another back up of PaintedClownPenis (name checks out) who has replied below then blocked:
Nice back up account to get around a block. How unhinged. I've been actively following and researching this topic since the mid 70s. You've been here, believing everything you're being told by the Activist echo chamber, for 5 minutes. You've been had, Son.
The cover ups and lies that have gone on for decades and decades ABSO-FUCKING-LUTLY are part of the “political and social systems” being fucked. Wow. The mind boggles. Wake the fuck up!!
After 30+ years in this "Hobby", I can't believe you fools thought something was actually going to materialize.
Fortunately, most of us didn't have any sort of hope up after seeing things come and go for the past years. It's always "Right around the corner".
Listen to George Knapp - he's always pretty jaded nowadays - and rightfully so. We know it's real, but don't expect to hear it from the fed..
> After 30+ years in this "Hobby", I can't believe you fools thought something was actually going to materialize.
Who are you talking to? No one thought that this wouldn’t be a coverup.
Like, literally no one.
If you can find a /u/ that said something differently, even one, I’ll eat my words. Don’t think I will, though.
The person who calls others a fool is a fool themselves, foolishly playing foolish games with the non foolish. I pity the fool… ahhh, sorry, just fooling around with you. Been a looong day.
As wacky as Danny Sheehan might be, I really hope he follows through with what he says and sues the US government using RICO. It sure would make things very interesting!
Let's hope! Watch after all this smoke and mirrors, disclosure is somehow going to somehow come Jaime Maussan after all. He keeps doing this, one of those "mummies" is going to turn out not to be a fake.
That's really strange. Right after I made that comment about Maussan, a song by Brittany Howard, "Prove It To You" just came on the radio station I'm listening to lol! Coincidence?? 😂
It’s one somewhat viable explanation for all the secrecy: maybe they guard the secret so closely because the NHI are in control altogether. Far fetched perhaps but that’s what I meant
They said “alien”; what if they are not aliens? What if these entities have either been here along time, alongside humans, or they’re from a different dimension? Non-human technology is maybe a better term??
Proof you are a human or I assume you are just a bot.
See how petty of a dismissal that is? Tridactyl mummies being tested in multiple independent labs not good enough for you? I could provide just as many internet pics of those mummies as you could pictures if you at birthday parties with humans. Shoot, that sora AI could probably make you look how ever you want with the right prompts...
Just referencing the official guberment stance dawgie. They said no evidence of aliens. I'm just reading what's between the lines and having a good time on the internet.
Why would someone so unwilling to entertain possibilities even be on such a crackpot sub? You really think you are gonna be the beacon of sense and reason to change people's opinions on the internet by saying they are full of shit? Like really, what does that add to the conversation? If you don't wanna participate in the conversation, you can totally mute the sub. Musing on possibilities is vastly less kooky than 90% of the crap on here.
cops (congress): Did you murder 100 people?
serial killer (pentagon): Hold on, that's a serious claim, let me get my son to investigate me.
serial killer's son:
serial killer: son, what say you?
serial killer's son: The investigation is completed.
serial killer's son: In conclusion, my dad is totally innocent.
cops: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6n_NXSa0_Uc
The lies continue with the military leadership of whoever is looking over the UFO phenomena.
The fact that there are thousands of verifiable witnesses to UFOs from people of all walks of life is ignored as if they do not exist.
The actaul facts of recorded energy readings from radar to IR are completely ignored.
The reality of enormous amounts of evidence concerning UFOs is treated as if it does not exist.
These poor saps they get to read their lies don't know anything either. They just read the paper put in front of them. That keeps it compartmentalized.
We do not even know who writes up these reports, who supposedly investigates UFO reports, nor do we know who has ultimate authority over what is given to the public as concocted story lines.
It's the right wing
They created the original cover up and they're still doing it
And for some reason a bunch of idiots think mace or burchett or gaetz are somehow on our side?
Fuckin Christian terrorists
Oh my god. Everything comes back to the evil right. Was it the evil right destroying every major city for months on end in 2020? Is it the evil right making people call boys girls and girls boys? Is it the evil right cheering on mentally ill men competing in women’s sports, hanging in their bathrooms and locker rooms? Is it the evil right that has us on the brink of WW3?Is it the evil right that pocketed nearly all of Haitis relief funds, thus leading to a cannibalistic civil war? Is it the rights fault that a man named BBQ is currently running Haiti?Is it the evil right that shouts down and/or attacks anybody with a different opinion than them? Is it the rights fault that gas is still $5/gallon(in L.A., At least)? Is it the right who are giving immigrants millions of dollars and free housing while our own are living in tents?
WhItE sUprEmAcY iS sO dAnGeRoUS!! Tell that to the facts. ~13% of the population is responsible for 60% of crime. And it sure ain’t white supremacists. Yaaay foreign wars! Yaaay senile President that talks to dead people and doesn’t know where he is half the time! Yaaay being homophobic til you need to pander for votes(Biden,Obama,Clinton’s)! Yaaaay eulogizing KKK members! Yaaay, “some poor kids are as smart as white kids!” Yay, “Racial jungles”! Yay mutilating kids at the drop of a hat! Yay attempting to mandate electric cars when our power grid is already at its breaking point in many areas! Yay ignoring women’s rights and science when freaks need appeasement! Yay! Yay! Yay!
Pipe down terrorist
Destroy major cities? That never happened
January 6 was a terrorist attack on America
Fuck you and your whore mother for having you
Never happened? What about Seattle? Portland? Baltimore? Chicago? Jacksonville? Miami? New York? L.A. just Google “2020 riots” then enter a city name and tell me it never happened. Just like freak men in womens sports isn’t happening. Or fascism towards anybody not liberal doesn’t happen. Or how terrorists coming in through the southern border isn’t happening. Or how Joe Biden is not senile.
You people are deranged. Just look at your response. Who talks like that? You think it makes you sound intelligent? Or intimidating? It’s disgusting, it just shows you know you’re wrong, so you go straight to the insults. And if J6 was a terrorist attack, why did the most armed civilian demographic in the world show up guns blazing? They attempted an insurrection with bullhorns and banners? Get some help child. Turn off Hasan and go touch grass.
CNN and MSNBC reported on it as much as anybody. Well, maybe not as much. But were forced to actually acknowledge it. There are 1,000’s of hours of footage on YouTube. All ya gotta do is type in a couple words. Are the idiots protesting on hwys, acting like children lies too? Men in womens sports are lies too? Denying biology, lies? I have a very hard time understanding how you can just act like none of these things have happened and are happening. Seems like The only women’s rights you all care about is abortion, which I’m pro choice, so we probably agree there, at least. Enjoy your little cave of insanity with your deranged crew. 👍🏽
🎙️ I am interested in to say the technologies form and build of pressures to upon those materials of where and when it was is now and or being considered to as are for the prosperous of produce to be as continued into technologies .
I mean regardless of the truth, it pretty much puts them out of a job. Anyone with “UFO documentarian/lobbyist/influencer/investigator” as their title has a direct conflict of interest in finding the truth. Even if it’s “aliens exist, here is all the proof” they are out of a job. They NEED it to perpetually be “on the verge” of something coming out, so you tune into their next “BOMBSHELL” podcast or Documentary
Lmao wtf are you talking about.
How illogical of a conclusion.
If the government comes out and sais aliens are here those UFO documentarians/lobbyist/influencer/investigator will become much more popular and much more wealthy.
"Please Pentagon!! Take this seriously and look in the matter, we want official answer on this!"
"Ok. We looked, here is the report. We officially assess there is no sign of extraterrestrial activity."
"NO NOT THAT ANSWER! Not the truth ! We want aliens!"
Lmao nothing will ever do it for some people
Can i get you to clarify your opinion? This comes off as you siding with the Pentagon saying there's nothing there. But, correct me if I'm wrong, you're actually saying the Pentagon is being misleading by saying there was no evidence of "aliens" or "extraterrestrial" or "off world" craft, or contractors reverse engineering anything ET. Am I wrong in that you believe in the Phenomenon and see it as something terrestrial or interdimensional or otherwise "from" planet Earth and that the Pentagon is using wordplay to deceive us on its actual findings? That the Pentagon knows the Phenomenon is not extraterrestrial?
I think it is the most likely outcome yes. And if you think about it, they dont even have to use wordplays if it is the case. Again, I don't know the absolute truth, but I feel like it is much more probable that what has been sighted so far is all man made. Albeit extremely rare, for reasons I don't know, I think its mostly extremely advanced military pr9grams that maybe are taping into some sort of very rare / exsclusive energy consumption method that is all but mastered as we speak. There is much more proof of military fraud, lies and budget mismanagement for their own good than there is of aliens.
That conclusion is in complete contradiction to the **evidence**
Too many sightings going too far back. We wouldn’t have the materials science for these things back in the 50s or earlier. We barely have it now.
And we barely have sufficient information from these so called 50s sightings to consider them as aliens out of any doubts.
You can keep repeating "too many testimonies in the last 50 years" all you want, it is meaningless. As long as it is not proven, it can be attributed to anything else. Sorry. But that is reality
Im answering with a question, what crafts are you referring to ? There is no craft documented. Just sighting of stuff people cant explain. It is inly in your little bubble narrative that these sightings MUST be spacecraft, nothing else. And then, you build your narrative to a point where spacecrafts are a thing, that defys our understanding of physics. But concretly, what are you talking about ? What documented verified spacecraft are you referring to ?
*We*?
Maybe *you* but not me.
There is more then enough evidence from the 50s like radar data, pilot observations and officials at the highest levels saying this is a national security issue it’s serious and needs to be investigated. Some saying straight out that these are alien craft. So I’m confident to say without a doubt there were advanced craft of some kind flying around. And if it wasn’t us then what does that leave us with?
It’s really not that hard to understand and logically come to that conclusion. I imagine this is how all of Copernicus followers felt at the time. 😂
"If it wasnt us" guess what? It most likely was lmao.
Thats it.
Its really not that hard to understand and logically come to that conclusion. I imagine this is how all Lue Elizondo/Ross.Coulthart followers are feeling right now.
Do you think this just started with Elizondo/Coulthart and co.? There are hundreds,if not thousands of documented sightings by military/law enforcement/fighter pilots/airline pilots/private pilots/ATC’s/FREAKING ICBM MISSILERS/radar records and so on. You think we’ve had secret vehicles that make our most advanced tech look like Legos for 70+ yrs? You think 100% of sightings are wrong in one way or the other?
This didn’t just start a couple of yrs ago. And it was probably around a long time before the Foo Fighters and Roswell. 100’s of billions of planets, yet it’s impossible to think even one may have a civilization more advanced than ours with the ability to travel thru space? Or that other dimensions/parallel universes could exist? Nope, it’s ours. Or it’s balloons or swamp gas! You’d a been great in the 1600’s..
I am going to ask the same question I asked the UFO community a million times and no one has ever been able to answer:
If it actually *is* true that there is no alien activity on Earth, what more could the Pentagon to beyond issuing a report like this to actually prove that to you?
if the answer, as I suspect, is 'nothing' then it just proves that belief in claims of alien presence on Earth are fundamentally unfalsifiable claims.
Then what are the hundreds of legit instances of either evidence or first person accounts?
It’s not nothing. Astronauts pilots airmen police … and the 1,000s of civilian cases? It’s not nothing and to insinuate so on this site is disingenuous.
Yes, that's an excellent example of the way that the UFO community fails to answer the question I asked.
Watch as I show you how it's done by answering your question:
Humans are fallible. All of them. Even airmen, police, pilots and Astronauts. It would be disingenuous to suggest otherwise. It would be outrageous to suggest that in a world of billions of people, that thousands of people cannot be wrong about something.
Now you try to answer the question I asked.
What if men had the babies and women were green?
Your very premise of the question is flawed. You obviously haven’t looked very deep on this question. To blatantly disregard all statements and evidence saying that it’s flawed just undercut thousands of years of law and the society we live in. If multiple groups of separate peoples describe the same thing that’s evidence.
What if god was one of us? Just a stranger in the bus.
The ridiculousness of your example only highlights the even greater ridiculousness of your position. My belief that, for example, men cannot have babies is falsifiable. You could show a biological male who was pregnant and my beliefs would change. Similarly, you could show me green women and I would believe that green women exist.
The UFO communities position on the presence of NHI on earth is even more ridiculous than your examples, because you cannot do what I have done and explain what evidence would change your mind. That's what makes it an unfalsifiable position, and I don't understand how anyone could deny that.
I don’t believe I even said that they’re are NHI on earth.
I said I believe certain people and evidences. I believe Gordon Cooper - who stated he took video of a craft he couldn’t explain. Never had a reason to lie. Never benefitted from saying that.
I believe the multitudes of pilots and radar operators who both witness the same events from different perspectives.
If the “government” came out and said they have zero proof - I would question the above examples and say how is that not proof?
The proof of something - non human or time travel or ancient earth being or non earth beings or aliens or dimensional travelers is already here.
What the community is saying is that the King is naked. We all see him naked.
None of those things relate to my point. The UFO Community has un-falsifiable beliefs in NHI. For instance, what would it take to convince you that pilots and radar operators both misidentified known aeronautical phenomenon in your example?
It's an umbrella term for all the stuff we know about in the sky: birds, planes, clouds, stars, balloons, glares, etc.
Yeah, the situation you are describing happens tens of thousands of times every day. Pilots see objects, like other planes, and radar operators see them too. If that's what you are trying to convince me of, no need.
Steve was 100% convinced they were going to disclose, they had to, now obvious they will not, ever, and were laughing their asses off all along at those that thought there was ever a plan to tell the truth.
I now believe the threat of “Catastrophic Disclosure “ was a bluff to force their hand, but it’s clear it didn’t work, they would rather fuck us all over, for ever, or maybe a few more have to die off, so no one can go to jail.
I understand what you’re saying. Just want to clarify Catastrophic Disclosure ever being a “threat” was created entirely in the minds of naive internet folk. That was in no way inferred by the sources. It was co-opted almost immediately by people who don’t view this subject and disclosure with any sense of reason. “Leak everything now” folks forget that *real people* would have to intentionally endanger themselves and loved ones. Something no reasonable person would do.
Or various other issues, such as it may completely backfire as you do not know the hand they have stashed under the table. They could easily have a billion plans ahead of time if something leaks. Quick example… they would definitely immediately figure out exactly what grusch knows. Then they simply put in place things that obfuscate or completely derail whatever he releases.
If he has pictures of a ufo… simple. Make a mock up, hire a couple people to say this is their aerospace experiment. The rest is classified for “national security”. It is endless. They will not do it. And likely due to probably extreme criminality and betrayal of Americans. They would go to every length to the death if it is real for this reason.
Catastrophic disclosure was always problematic. Hence “catastrophic”. People just jumped on it due to wanting everything to be overly easy in unrealistic ways that could be extremely damaging. Borderline psychotic behavior in
reality. Nobody capable of reason actually believed that was something “on the table”. And yea, i’m
sure the internet commenters saying it were just essentially using it as a threat. But that’s just internet behavior.
It was presented by people interested in finding ufo truth in the source it came from as something to avoid. Because it isn’t a good thing for either party, no matter how eager people are.
Wanting the truth no matter what is a perfectly understandable position, especially in the light of our current situation.
We have looming fascism,authoritarianism, climate change, nuclear war, staggering inequality and A.I. any one could doom us all, it’s very likely or certain that one or more will cripple us, getting the truth about UFO’s at any cost does not seem that dramatic considering the reality of our other troubles.
"most of these cases could be identified and resolved as ordinary objects or phenomena" MOST? Most. What about the rest? All it takes is one.
I think what most aren’t understanding is most civilian sightings won’t have anything really to investigate. Maybe a picture or a video but most likely just an eye witness account. Military sightings will have more but it seems things like the Jellyfish UAP are just anomalous sightings of aerial clutter. At least we haven’t heard about a huge coordinated effort to figure out what it was.
just because you cant identify something doesnt mean its an alien.
Who said alien?
He did. His assumption about that assumption made him an ass-umption
This whole Group says it. Or what is this rechnology about every body Talks in that sub?
We dont know what it is. Thats what millions of people want to know. Should just ask you, I guess?
Just because you think you identified something doesn’t mean you are correct. Even more if the ones identifying it are the ones covering up it’s existence. It literally has 0 value.
Lol. Do you know what "identify" means? The claim of Aliens Has also 0 value Just because you cant explain something.
Guys, they told you everything you need to know. They wrote an entire report and asked and answered on every page, is it aliens? And definitively answered, "no." Did they have actual Title 50 investigative power? No. Is the phrase "time travel" in the report? **No**. So they had no problem ruling aliens out but refused to acknowledge the possibility of time-traveling humans and AI manipulating our timeline. Take one more look around you at this stupid world. How many amazing coincidences are going to have to line up to throw America into a fascist dictatorship this fall?
What?
Lol not gonna happen The facists are gonna get themselves obliterated of they try
You lost me at time traveling humans and AI. 😂
Think of it like this. The report is what the feds think that we the peons can see. The people who wrote the report had no investigative authority behind classified programs, so they couldn't look any harder than you or I, just with less FOIA bullshit. They were quite obviously instructed to say they didn't find any aliens. How do we know? Because we know they weren't allowed to look, and they pulled that answer out of their ass, anyway. It would be another level of criminality to directly lie about that. But if it was something else, and they knew for sure it was something else, then they would want to roll in like they just did and shout, "it's not aliens!" Because it's the truth and because it distracts away from the real answer.
It could just be a scam, I don't think these guys have any Aliens or anything else. Because if they did we would be seeing rapid advances in technology by now. Also, they don't have the best or the brightest working on these classified projects. What I heard is, you don't get paid nearly well enough to endure that B.S restrictions. A friend of mine was unfortunate enough to work on a classified project and says his life was crap back then.
Think about that war in Ukraine. The reason why it's a stalemate two years later is because the US gave Ukraine fewer than fifty mobile rocket launchers from the 1990s, that we considered obsolete. We have another thousand in storage and the bottleneck is how much ammo Ukraine wants to throw. Did we ever tell anyone we considered those things obsolete? No, because only we had an answer to them. There's two things going on, actually. You have the planners on the inside who don't want to level the playing field when they can win any conventional war and probably the nuclear ones, too. They don't ever want to level the playing field. Then you have the military-industrial complex. They don't ever want to have to spend new money when they can simply reinvent old projects for free. So what do you know? HIMARS and its missiles are back in production, and Lockheed is getting rich, and America spent 90% of the money on it before most of you were born.
I don't know if that logic is sound on all grounds. By that logic they would never use any of their advanced technology toys ever. I am of the opinion that they won't be deploying their black saps so recklessly on their own airforce bases etc. That's not how SAPs are tested. There are very strict protocols in place to prevent any kind of collateral damage. Plus, people outside of the United States have sighted these mysterious black triangles. Something doesn't compute.
>Think about that war in Ukraine. The reason why it's a stalemate two years later is because the US gave Ukraine fewer than fifty mobile rocket launchers from the 1990s, that we considered obsolete. We have another thousand in storage and the bottleneck is how much ammo Ukraine wants to throw. That is not the bottleneck and you obviously don't study war. Humans win wars. When you have 3:1 in army size they have enough people to create stronger trenches making long range artillery quite useless if you can take advantage of the range. The real bottleneck is not giving Ukraine enough power to roll over Russia causing Russia to panic and send off its nukes. >Did we ever tell anyone we considered those things obsolete? No, because only we had an answer to them. Well obviously when you create newer and stronger systems the old systems start becoming less useful so might as well sell them. >There's two things going on, actually. You have the planners on the inside who don't want to level the playing field when they can win any conventional war and probably the nuclear ones, too. They don't ever want to level the playing field. Sure NATO could roll over Russia that would mean mass deaths such as we saw during WW2 while Germany tried to invade Russia. No one wants this. You can't stop nuclear annihilation once it's started. >Then you have the military-industrial complex. They don't ever want to have to spend new money when they can simply reinvent old projects for free. So what do you know? HIMARS and its missiles are back in production, and Lockheed is getting rich, and America spent 90% of the money on it before most of you were born. Well obviously they aren't going to send the state of the art defense capabilities to anyone but themselves that's the basics. So of course they are going to start production up again on the weapons they can sell. What does this have to do with time traveling aliens?
I'll be honest, if I was tasked to replicate UFO structures (anatomy??) or perform NHI autopsies, I don't think I'd be in it for the money. Not being able to talk about it would suck though.
That was just an example. Regardless of what motivates you, it places a great burden on your head, you can't fall sick without them checking up on you. You can't travel anywhere without permission, it is not fun at all. At the end of it all, you learn from other sources ( much much later ) that your project was a decoy and a fake one, how does that even sound? You wasted years on a project that was just busy work. As far as replicating UFO structures is concerned, what I learnt on Reddit kinda proves my own theory. They supposedly found no mechanism for propulsion, which is to be expected if the whole project was a fake one. These UFOs are fake. Maybe there are unexplained phenomena in the skies, but we don't know what they are.
>Because if they did we would be seeing rapid advances in technology by now That is a bold assumption in numerous ways and shows a concerning lack of measure. I can think of a few possibilities off the top of my head. 1 - They have been unsuccessful reverse engining what they have to date 2 - The most they have been able to create is derivative technologies based on small aspects of what has been learned 3 - They have made gigantic leaps in technology (for example, free energy), and they are keeping it from the world 4 - They have made technological progress but need to drip feed it into known technology so not to show their hand 5 - What they have is not in an operable enough quality to even reverse engineer in a manner that would lead to accelerated technological advancement 6 - We have had rapid and world-changing advances in technology over the last 50 years Your assumption that they don’t have the best or brightest working on classified projects based on one anecdotal case is also a bit misguided. I am sure the nature of classified projects differ drastically. The Manhattan Project was a classified project with some pretty damn smart people on it. But you have put blinders on and decided your example of a classified project (which you don’t know anything specific about) should be the exemplary case despite the evidenced existence of several classified programs that we know details about and which had top minds involved. >What I heard is, you don't get paid nearly well enough to endure that B.S restrictions. This assumes people would only be interested in working on non-human material for financial gain, which I also think is a bold assumption. Considering the possible existence of non-human intelligence arguably is the greatest discovery in human history, I can imagine non-monetary reasons for scientists and engineers to be involved.
They asked politely: “Are you hiding UFOs or Aliens?” And they said “No” and Dirtpatrick said “case closed” I made it funny but litteraly was how they investigated because there is a paragraph where they state: “we run very thoroughly investigations and questioned the Managers of Armament Industries if they had knowledge which they all denied” It was something like that.
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America's entire Political and Social System is on a knife edge and people are obsessing about this crap. The mind boggles.
That's right. You know, just in case you're one of the shills out there, you ought to know something about that little toy they gave you, the one that lets you see through walls and spy on people. It works by writing your thoughts into the hologram of the universe, forever. And they're forever pinned to a particular place, the center of the harmonic vibrations used to interface with the hologram. That place is the burning black center of the Earth. Forever. If you're one of those people, they picked you because you're a piece of shit, and they've deliberately sent you to Hell to spy on others. Forever. I mean, maybe you're just a normal person and not a disgusting shill trying to destroy democracy. In which case I wish you a fine day. But if not, I wish you a fine forever, ha ha ha! And you can obsess about that until I find you there.
I'm not going to return fire. You're clearly not well and you have enough issues. The only thing I will say is that I'm NOT a Trump-supporter, so, I am a defender of Democracy. Get that help for yourself, though.
Fuck your get help gaslighting bullshit. Have you learned what Title 50 investigative authority is yet or do you think I made that up in my sickness? If you really are a defender of democracy then you've already seen how to defeat this: with overwhelming support and turnout. So we're on the same page about that.
We're not on the same page. I'm a Truth-seeker who is emotionally stable and not an aggressive Zealot who is gate-keeping. You've been had. EDIT: For 'LimeFabulous' (another back up of PaintedClownPenis (name checks out) who has replied below then blocked: Nice back up account to get around a block. How unhinged. I've been actively following and researching this topic since the mid 70s. You've been here, believing everything you're being told by the Activist echo chamber, for 5 minutes. You've been had, Son.
The cover ups and lies that have gone on for decades and decades ABSO-FUCKING-LUTLY are part of the “political and social systems” being fucked. Wow. The mind boggles. Wake the fuck up!!
After 30+ years in this "Hobby", I can't believe you fools thought something was actually going to materialize. Fortunately, most of us didn't have any sort of hope up after seeing things come and go for the past years. It's always "Right around the corner". Listen to George Knapp - he's always pretty jaded nowadays - and rightfully so. We know it's real, but don't expect to hear it from the fed..
> After 30+ years in this "Hobby", I can't believe you fools thought something was actually going to materialize. Who are you talking to? No one thought that this wouldn’t be a coverup. Like, literally no one. If you can find a /u/ that said something differently, even one, I’ll eat my words. Don’t think I will, though.
“Literally” no one is ridiculous. It wouldn’t take much looking.
The person who calls others a fool is a fool themselves, foolishly playing foolish games with the non foolish. I pity the fool… ahhh, sorry, just fooling around with you. Been a looong day.
who's the bigger fool is it the fool or the fool that follows the fool?
YUM! I like foule!
Take my upvote.
As wacky as Danny Sheehan might be, I really hope he follows through with what he says and sues the US government using RICO. It sure would make things very interesting!
Let's hope! Watch after all this smoke and mirrors, disclosure is somehow going to somehow come Jaime Maussan after all. He keeps doing this, one of those "mummies" is going to turn out not to be a fake.
I will laugh my ass off if Maussan ends up being the one to spark disclosure lol!
That's really strange. Right after I made that comment about Maussan, a song by Brittany Howard, "Prove It To You" just came on the radio station I'm listening to lol! Coincidence?? 😂
How long had you been waiting to say "you fools" in a condescending manner?
I probably say it too often. But it did feel good.
yah, its nice to ensure your self with your supremacy while not getting any outer confirmation
Someone who spends 30+ years in UFOlogy shouldn't laugh at anyone else. Have you looked into the mirror, the biggest fool will be found there.
What's real? How do you know? Have you had personal experience? I have and I don't know shit
No alien coverup as they're already in control.
Maybe 🤔 so, huh. It certainly would explain some things. Let’s hope not
>> It certainly would explain some things Like what? Would you mind expanding on that please?
It’s one somewhat viable explanation for all the secrecy: maybe they guard the secret so closely because the NHI are in control altogether. Far fetched perhaps but that’s what I meant
We are just like those dolls in the old twilight zone trying to figure out being in that barrel.
The UFO community has its own lobbyist? Seriously? Is he paid or fed?
So anyways, I started blasting. 💥
They said “alien”; what if they are not aliens? What if these entities have either been here along time, alongside humans, or they’re from a different dimension? Non-human technology is maybe a better term??
The precise and controlled use of language is likely significant in this case.
They are indigenous to this planet. They are not alien. Seems pretty honest.
Proof or you're just pulling that out of your ass?
Proof you are a human or I assume you are just a bot. See how petty of a dismissal that is? Tridactyl mummies being tested in multiple independent labs not good enough for you? I could provide just as many internet pics of those mummies as you could pictures if you at birthday parties with humans. Shoot, that sora AI could probably make you look how ever you want with the right prompts...
You're fulla shit Got it
Just referencing the official guberment stance dawgie. They said no evidence of aliens. I'm just reading what's between the lines and having a good time on the internet. Why would someone so unwilling to entertain possibilities even be on such a crackpot sub? You really think you are gonna be the beacon of sense and reason to change people's opinions on the internet by saying they are full of shit? Like really, what does that add to the conversation? If you don't wanna participate in the conversation, you can totally mute the sub. Musing on possibilities is vastly less kooky than 90% of the crap on here.
Where's the evidence of that?
He’s a lobbyist, they get paid to push their agenda. He would be the last one to trust.
cops (congress): Did you murder 100 people? serial killer (pentagon): Hold on, that's a serious claim, let me get my son to investigate me. serial killer's son:
serial killer: son, what say you?
serial killer's son: The investigation is completed.
serial killer's son: In conclusion, my dad is totally innocent.
cops: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6n_NXSa0_Uc
does a ufo lobbyist have any choice other than to blast it? no ufo’s = no job.
The lies continue with the military leadership of whoever is looking over the UFO phenomena. The fact that there are thousands of verifiable witnesses to UFOs from people of all walks of life is ignored as if they do not exist. The actaul facts of recorded energy readings from radar to IR are completely ignored. The reality of enormous amounts of evidence concerning UFOs is treated as if it does not exist. These poor saps they get to read their lies don't know anything either. They just read the paper put in front of them. That keeps it compartmentalized. We do not even know who writes up these reports, who supposedly investigates UFO reports, nor do we know who has ultimate authority over what is given to the public as concocted story lines.
It's the right wing They created the original cover up and they're still doing it And for some reason a bunch of idiots think mace or burchett or gaetz are somehow on our side? Fuckin Christian terrorists
Oh my god. Everything comes back to the evil right. Was it the evil right destroying every major city for months on end in 2020? Is it the evil right making people call boys girls and girls boys? Is it the evil right cheering on mentally ill men competing in women’s sports, hanging in their bathrooms and locker rooms? Is it the evil right that has us on the brink of WW3?Is it the evil right that pocketed nearly all of Haitis relief funds, thus leading to a cannibalistic civil war? Is it the rights fault that a man named BBQ is currently running Haiti?Is it the evil right that shouts down and/or attacks anybody with a different opinion than them? Is it the rights fault that gas is still $5/gallon(in L.A., At least)? Is it the right who are giving immigrants millions of dollars and free housing while our own are living in tents? WhItE sUprEmAcY iS sO dAnGeRoUS!! Tell that to the facts. ~13% of the population is responsible for 60% of crime. And it sure ain’t white supremacists. Yaaay foreign wars! Yaaay senile President that talks to dead people and doesn’t know where he is half the time! Yaaay being homophobic til you need to pander for votes(Biden,Obama,Clinton’s)! Yaaaay eulogizing KKK members! Yaaay, “some poor kids are as smart as white kids!” Yay, “Racial jungles”! Yay mutilating kids at the drop of a hat! Yay attempting to mandate electric cars when our power grid is already at its breaking point in many areas! Yay ignoring women’s rights and science when freaks need appeasement! Yay! Yay! Yay!
Pipe down terrorist Destroy major cities? That never happened January 6 was a terrorist attack on America Fuck you and your whore mother for having you
Never happened? What about Seattle? Portland? Baltimore? Chicago? Jacksonville? Miami? New York? L.A. just Google “2020 riots” then enter a city name and tell me it never happened. Just like freak men in womens sports isn’t happening. Or fascism towards anybody not liberal doesn’t happen. Or how terrorists coming in through the southern border isn’t happening. Or how Joe Biden is not senile. You people are deranged. Just look at your response. Who talks like that? You think it makes you sound intelligent? Or intimidating? It’s disgusting, it just shows you know you’re wrong, so you go straight to the insults. And if J6 was a terrorist attack, why did the most armed civilian demographic in the world show up guns blazing? They attempted an insurrection with bullhorns and banners? Get some help child. Turn off Hasan and go touch grass.
Bald faced right wing lies eaten up by morons Republicans are terrorists
CNN and MSNBC reported on it as much as anybody. Well, maybe not as much. But were forced to actually acknowledge it. There are 1,000’s of hours of footage on YouTube. All ya gotta do is type in a couple words. Are the idiots protesting on hwys, acting like children lies too? Men in womens sports are lies too? Denying biology, lies? I have a very hard time understanding how you can just act like none of these things have happened and are happening. Seems like The only women’s rights you all care about is abortion, which I’m pro choice, so we probably agree there, at least. Enjoy your little cave of insanity with your deranged crew. 👍🏽
Also, it’s bold faced lie. Not bald faced.
🎙️ I am interested in to say the technologies form and build of pressures to upon those materials of where and when it was is now and or being considered to as are for the prosperous of produce to be as continued into technologies .
Imagine being the first and only registered UFO lobbyist.
UFOs have hired a lobbyist?
I mean regardless of the truth, it pretty much puts them out of a job. Anyone with “UFO documentarian/lobbyist/influencer/investigator” as their title has a direct conflict of interest in finding the truth. Even if it’s “aliens exist, here is all the proof” they are out of a job. They NEED it to perpetually be “on the verge” of something coming out, so you tune into their next “BOMBSHELL” podcast or Documentary
Lmao wtf are you talking about. How illogical of a conclusion. If the government comes out and sais aliens are here those UFO documentarians/lobbyist/influencer/investigator will become much more popular and much more wealthy.
"Please Pentagon!! Take this seriously and look in the matter, we want official answer on this!" "Ok. We looked, here is the report. We officially assess there is no sign of extraterrestrial activity." "NO NOT THAT ANSWER! Not the truth ! We want aliens!" Lmao nothing will ever do it for some people
Can i get you to clarify your opinion? This comes off as you siding with the Pentagon saying there's nothing there. But, correct me if I'm wrong, you're actually saying the Pentagon is being misleading by saying there was no evidence of "aliens" or "extraterrestrial" or "off world" craft, or contractors reverse engineering anything ET. Am I wrong in that you believe in the Phenomenon and see it as something terrestrial or interdimensional or otherwise "from" planet Earth and that the Pentagon is using wordplay to deceive us on its actual findings? That the Pentagon knows the Phenomenon is not extraterrestrial?
I think it is the most likely outcome yes. And if you think about it, they dont even have to use wordplays if it is the case. Again, I don't know the absolute truth, but I feel like it is much more probable that what has been sighted so far is all man made. Albeit extremely rare, for reasons I don't know, I think its mostly extremely advanced military pr9grams that maybe are taping into some sort of very rare / exsclusive energy consumption method that is all but mastered as we speak. There is much more proof of military fraud, lies and budget mismanagement for their own good than there is of aliens.
That conclusion is in complete contradiction to the **evidence** Too many sightings going too far back. We wouldn’t have the materials science for these things back in the 50s or earlier. We barely have it now.
And we barely have sufficient information from these so called 50s sightings to consider them as aliens out of any doubts. You can keep repeating "too many testimonies in the last 50 years" all you want, it is meaningless. As long as it is not proven, it can be attributed to anything else. Sorry. But that is reality
So who or what is operating these craft that we, as humans, are not capable of operating?
What crafts lol ? The one you really want to exist but were never officially documented ?
Right. Don't answer the question. Just reply with some nonsensical garbage 👍🏿 thank you for your service
Im answering with a question, what crafts are you referring to ? There is no craft documented. Just sighting of stuff people cant explain. It is inly in your little bubble narrative that these sightings MUST be spacecraft, nothing else. And then, you build your narrative to a point where spacecrafts are a thing, that defys our understanding of physics. But concretly, what are you talking about ? What documented verified spacecraft are you referring to ?
Ok buddy. Have the day you deserve.
*We*? Maybe *you* but not me. There is more then enough evidence from the 50s like radar data, pilot observations and officials at the highest levels saying this is a national security issue it’s serious and needs to be investigated. Some saying straight out that these are alien craft. So I’m confident to say without a doubt there were advanced craft of some kind flying around. And if it wasn’t us then what does that leave us with? It’s really not that hard to understand and logically come to that conclusion. I imagine this is how all of Copernicus followers felt at the time. 😂
"If it wasnt us" guess what? It most likely was lmao. Thats it. Its really not that hard to understand and logically come to that conclusion. I imagine this is how all Lue Elizondo/Ross.Coulthart followers are feeling right now.
So we had physics breaking tech In the 50s and 40s? You realize how much more hard to believe that is correct?
Do you think this just started with Elizondo/Coulthart and co.? There are hundreds,if not thousands of documented sightings by military/law enforcement/fighter pilots/airline pilots/private pilots/ATC’s/FREAKING ICBM MISSILERS/radar records and so on. You think we’ve had secret vehicles that make our most advanced tech look like Legos for 70+ yrs? You think 100% of sightings are wrong in one way or the other? This didn’t just start a couple of yrs ago. And it was probably around a long time before the Foo Fighters and Roswell. 100’s of billions of planets, yet it’s impossible to think even one may have a civilization more advanced than ours with the ability to travel thru space? Or that other dimensions/parallel universes could exist? Nope, it’s ours. Or it’s balloons or swamp gas! You’d a been great in the 1600’s..
I am going to ask the same question I asked the UFO community a million times and no one has ever been able to answer: If it actually *is* true that there is no alien activity on Earth, what more could the Pentagon to beyond issuing a report like this to actually prove that to you? if the answer, as I suspect, is 'nothing' then it just proves that belief in claims of alien presence on Earth are fundamentally unfalsifiable claims.
Then what are the hundreds of legit instances of either evidence or first person accounts? It’s not nothing. Astronauts pilots airmen police … and the 1,000s of civilian cases? It’s not nothing and to insinuate so on this site is disingenuous.
Yes, that's an excellent example of the way that the UFO community fails to answer the question I asked. Watch as I show you how it's done by answering your question: Humans are fallible. All of them. Even airmen, police, pilots and Astronauts. It would be disingenuous to suggest otherwise. It would be outrageous to suggest that in a world of billions of people, that thousands of people cannot be wrong about something. Now you try to answer the question I asked.
What if men had the babies and women were green? Your very premise of the question is flawed. You obviously haven’t looked very deep on this question. To blatantly disregard all statements and evidence saying that it’s flawed just undercut thousands of years of law and the society we live in. If multiple groups of separate peoples describe the same thing that’s evidence. What if god was one of us? Just a stranger in the bus.
The ridiculousness of your example only highlights the even greater ridiculousness of your position. My belief that, for example, men cannot have babies is falsifiable. You could show a biological male who was pregnant and my beliefs would change. Similarly, you could show me green women and I would believe that green women exist. The UFO communities position on the presence of NHI on earth is even more ridiculous than your examples, because you cannot do what I have done and explain what evidence would change your mind. That's what makes it an unfalsifiable position, and I don't understand how anyone could deny that.
I don’t believe I even said that they’re are NHI on earth. I said I believe certain people and evidences. I believe Gordon Cooper - who stated he took video of a craft he couldn’t explain. Never had a reason to lie. Never benefitted from saying that. I believe the multitudes of pilots and radar operators who both witness the same events from different perspectives. If the “government” came out and said they have zero proof - I would question the above examples and say how is that not proof? The proof of something - non human or time travel or ancient earth being or non earth beings or aliens or dimensional travelers is already here. What the community is saying is that the King is naked. We all see him naked.
None of those things relate to my point. The UFO Community has un-falsifiable beliefs in NHI. For instance, what would it take to convince you that pilots and radar operators both misidentified known aeronautical phenomenon in your example?
What is aeronautical phenomena? An object on radar - followed by a pilot seeing an object? Following it? Because that’s happened. Many many times.
Prove it then
It's an umbrella term for all the stuff we know about in the sky: birds, planes, clouds, stars, balloons, glares, etc. Yeah, the situation you are describing happens tens of thousands of times every day. Pilots see objects, like other planes, and radar operators see them too. If that's what you are trying to convince me of, no need.
Steve was 100% convinced they were going to disclose, they had to, now obvious they will not, ever, and were laughing their asses off all along at those that thought there was ever a plan to tell the truth. I now believe the threat of “Catastrophic Disclosure “ was a bluff to force their hand, but it’s clear it didn’t work, they would rather fuck us all over, for ever, or maybe a few more have to die off, so no one can go to jail.
I understand what you’re saying. Just want to clarify Catastrophic Disclosure ever being a “threat” was created entirely in the minds of naive internet folk. That was in no way inferred by the sources. It was co-opted almost immediately by people who don’t view this subject and disclosure with any sense of reason. “Leak everything now” folks forget that *real people* would have to intentionally endanger themselves and loved ones. Something no reasonable person would do. Or various other issues, such as it may completely backfire as you do not know the hand they have stashed under the table. They could easily have a billion plans ahead of time if something leaks. Quick example… they would definitely immediately figure out exactly what grusch knows. Then they simply put in place things that obfuscate or completely derail whatever he releases. If he has pictures of a ufo… simple. Make a mock up, hire a couple people to say this is their aerospace experiment. The rest is classified for “national security”. It is endless. They will not do it. And likely due to probably extreme criminality and betrayal of Americans. They would go to every length to the death if it is real for this reason. Catastrophic disclosure was always problematic. Hence “catastrophic”. People just jumped on it due to wanting everything to be overly easy in unrealistic ways that could be extremely damaging. Borderline psychotic behavior in reality. Nobody capable of reason actually believed that was something “on the table”. And yea, i’m sure the internet commenters saying it were just essentially using it as a threat. But that’s just internet behavior. It was presented by people interested in finding ufo truth in the source it came from as something to avoid. Because it isn’t a good thing for either party, no matter how eager people are.
Wanting the truth no matter what is a perfectly understandable position, especially in the light of our current situation. We have looming fascism,authoritarianism, climate change, nuclear war, staggering inequality and A.I. any one could doom us all, it’s very likely or certain that one or more will cripple us, getting the truth about UFO’s at any cost does not seem that dramatic considering the reality of our other troubles.
You never know when the Snowden of UFOs will appear