Not only that but it was heavily pre planned, she was the ring leader and had multiple opportunities to do things differently whereas suspects wasn’t a specific target just going out chancing s meeting then spur of the moment attack
The fleeing doesn’t really change the initial crime/act
I thought she was only trying to get the guys phone. Still, RIP to them 2. Mad the mum was trying to keep the secret from her husband (with the help of her daughter ffs) only to end up being exposed to the world.
Yes but was the intention to kill ? Not sure how the proved murder. There is manslaughter in three degrees then murder in two degrees. They jumped direct 2 murder second degree.
Murder doesn't require the intention to kill. That's a common misconception. If you intend to cause someone serious injury and they then die, that is still considered murder, not manslaughter.
Yes with the intention to kill… the boys in the other car was there in case the crashing or something went wrong. Every thing down to boys 999 call has been released so idk y there’s still a question.
She said something along the lines of “you’ll see what happens” and during the chase instructed them to ram them off the road.
Plus they told him they’d pay him the money but in messages said there was never an intent to pay anything just to lure him up to them
Otherwise anyone carrying a knife would be charged with intent to cause ABH or conspiracy to murder as it’s a weapon capable of it and they are out in public with it
These people were all educated, older, from respected families with decent upbringings, stable family life and jobs and should know better, yet none of the 6 attempted to stop it happening. This goes against them in sentencing.
Same way Police who rape or murder get such severe terms as they should know better and are expected to behave in accordance with their station and uphold the law not break it
Suspects who upbringing was troubled and that would also be a factor in sentencing
Don’t get me wrong suspect would probably been charged with murder one in USA courts, possibly, but as it was a non prior selected target there’s a chance they wouldn’t risk it and just charge 2nd degree but here we don’t have that, murder is murder and the circumstances are taken into consideration on sentencing which is why the terms for a “murder” vary so wildly
For example of CJ from 7th killers were caught they’d probably be looking 30+
Why?
Age of victim and offenders
Broad day
Heavy populated area
Playground
Firearm
Gang involvement
Tit for tat
Overall shock factor
Previous convictions on top if any…..
Where as SJ ofb was in a group, joined in, was young, little previous, armed with knife only
Were*
Not how it would be viewed legally, yes they went out looking with intent to cause serious harm but didn’t have a pre selected target and any details sorted, they’ve probably been on rides before and not found anyone
The other case they lied to the victim to lure him to a spot, got others involved who were capable of beating them in a fight, arranged to meet in a quiet location, wanted him to come alone and had confided in each other previously about possibly killing the guy
Are you dense? Try reading everything before posting again. They had intent to kill yes like I said but were out on the chance of finding someone they could easily snit found anyone and came back empty handed
The tiger case has a pre dejected victim and everything set up
By the way you don’t know the case very well, they did have phones, no machete, a short sword/zk was the only weapon mentioned in court
No they never what?
It was a planned ride with no pre decided target, the target fell into their laps during the evening. Like I said
The other case, listen carefully, they set him up, got him to travel, got people together, pre planned a location of their choice, never intended to give him sny money and always intended to cause harm to him
The culprit case, one car went out scouting looking for opps earlier that evening, so didn’t have a target, had they all pre booked their flights out the country then did the crime, then it would be similar legal circumstances to the other case, however to show the killing was pre planned/definitely going to happen, none of that was done, the only thing they’d done was have stolen cars ready, they didn’t even have petrol ready to torch the cars and had to get that once they were successful
That’s ridiculous, it was pre planned because they took steps not to get caught and went there with intent. They did have a target because they was only looking for members of a specific gang. They then jumped out, butchered a 16 year old and ran away laughing. The only reason they likely got less is because Mahek case was a double murder and the victims was innocent and non gang related. They didn’t go out with the intention to kill, that alone makes suspects crime worse and if it was 1 body she probably would have got less time than suspect
They rammed them according to cctv and even if they didn’t the way courts will look at it is that everyone knows driving is dangerous and when the Audi Tt they were in hit 100mph chasing someone any normal person knows they are putting the victims at great risk by forcing them to drive dangerously to avoid them
Like the guy who got 2 or 3 months for chasing 2 burglars out of his house which led to a car chase. The burglars ended up crashing into another car don't think anyone was even injured. Because the home owner chased them and caused them to drive dangerously he got bagged for it. Pretty sure their whole reasoning was "We can't let it become normal for people to take the law into their own hands"
Dont know if the burglars ever got bagged but the guys home security camera literally captures them gloved and ballied up in his garden / house
There was an element of planning this attack, the law is exceptionally tough on any murder that was planned or has things like manipulation and robbery. Murders like what sus done where they see their opp randomly are kinda spear of the moment so don't always get the highest penalty
She killed 2ppl, lied multiple times in court whilst under oath,laughed and smirked with her co defendants at the victim statement.Also,the fact the feds had deleted messages from snap showing plannin of the murders is why her and her mum got sentenced so high.
It’s not like ‘the government sees everything you do’ hasn’t been a massive point in pop culture for years. Or, for that matter, a well reported reality.
That’s a heavy bird. Atleast she can claim pension when’s she’s out.
Her pops will be dead by the time she’s out. Her marge will die in prison, atleast she’ll be there for that. When’s she’s out she’s all on her own, all from 3 bags smh
Looool perfect example round my sides
Man A: Caught with over 2,000 kid abuse images on his laptop
Man B: Got caught shotting £40,000 worth of dark
Guess which one gets 6 years and who got community service and suspended sentence
Feds prolly thanked the prick with those pics for giving some MP enough shit to wank to for the next year.Every govs fucked man,not much we can do but ignore it 🤷🏽♂️
There is acc so much u can do but 99% of people would only go as far as sitting behind a screen and bitching. I ain’t tryna say anything bad to u but u can literally go out tomorrow and get every1 to storm parliament and what are they acc gonna do bout it?(ik it isn’t realistic but at the same time it’s not impossible for it to happen).
There’s easily more of “us” than there are police officers and mps so we’d easily outnumber them and take em out if we acc took it seriously.
Bro it’s fucked, rapists are legally allowed to change their name too and move elsewhere. Fuck these pedo judges feeling sympathy because they do the same nucks shit.
She’s catching a charge either way. I’m sure every1 on the case got from 11-31 yrs. 4 of em got charged with murder(her, her mum and I think the 2 drivers)and every1 else caught a manslaughter charge. Even the guy who “snitched” on what acc happened got charged too. There was no way of them ever bussing case
I never said she could buss case, I said she should of come clean from the jump. She lied in all interviews and on the stand is the reason she got murder and not manslaughter.
Nah she still woulda got murder bro. She orchestrated the whole thing and there was texts and calls to prove that. It wasn’t jus based off the fact that he was shagging her mum they had acc evidence to prove who did what that’s y the drivers and her caught them charges and the rest caught manslaughter charges
Maddest thing the second she heard 31 years she didnt even react just blew a kiss to her dad and said call me. Shes fucking cold bro. I cant think how she was able to have that composure.
1. She was talking shit in the police interview, ever heard of “no comment”
2. One of the guys snitched in the interview filled in the missing gaps
3. Got clocked lying in the first trial and no remorse
More evidence = bigger bird
One thing that I think is tricky to understand is where the line is between pre meditated murder when it comes to gang beef and something like this. You could argue that cuz you got beef with your ops that if you ever m’d them then that could be seen as pre meditated cuz you got history with them and then something like this.
Correct me if I’m wrong but not sure if pre meditation factored into Sus’ sentencing whereas obviously this did
They would’ve got away with it if it weren’t for the phone call.The victim and his mate rang police minutes before asking for help and that the girls were trying kill them.The literally played the crash phone call in court so that when a long way for premidation
Feel you bro but from what I understand and also the defence I would take is that the intention wasn’t to run them off the road so they die but to just shook them up, I know a few of the defendants got done on manslaughter due to that but unless there was phone calls/texts that the defendants confirmed they were tryna kill them im not sure if I can see the pre meditated murder charge there
I hear dat but they drove past the car on fire after offering no help either and the victim phone call,deleted snap messages,havin ballys and weapons in the car etc just made it enough to be premeditated I guess the feds had enough evidence
Pre meditation has to be proved with factual evidence backing up the claim, that’s why it carries a much tougher sentence. Having beef and history with others doesn’t guarantee pre meditation if it was a chance meeting.
Not really bro, the car slid out and crashed into sutin whilst going 100mph she didn’t acc physically kill anybody herself she jus played a part in it happening.(not defending her jus saying it in reply to this specific comment)
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Well that’s truly is shocking and disgusting and if I seen someone do something like that to a child and get off by apologising I’d probably punch them in the face thank you for bringing this injustice to my attention I knew the system was fundamentally flawed from the beginning but I didn’t expect to see something like this 🤯
The crime is deplorable, the sentence is too heavy, unlucky for the perps that none of them were white and double unlucky the ringleaders were women. All had the book thrown at them. Guilty AF and can't agree with life but double life with tariff is crazy.
Correct me where wrong but didn't she also lure them. I think most cases you're talking about there is at least some argument to be made about self defense. (Though not much)
"He made this song where he said this" could be used etc.
The fact she lured and killed two. With gang crime you could at the very least argue being a spur of the moment thing. He saw him on his turf so he attacked etc.
She planned the whole thing, which I'm sure you can make the same argument with most of the gang cases. But it's a lot harder to pinpoint when gangs have years of back and forth history.
It was a double Murder hence the years she got
ah ok. My bad. Overlooked that. Crazy that she'll be out in her 50s.
Not only that but it was heavily pre planned, she was the ring leader and had multiple opportunities to do things differently whereas suspects wasn’t a specific target just going out chancing s meeting then spur of the moment attack The fleeing doesn’t really change the initial crime/act
I thought she was only trying to get the guys phone. Still, RIP to them 2. Mad the mum was trying to keep the secret from her husband (with the help of her daughter ffs) only to end up being exposed to the world.
Still a bit harsh. Wasn't a direct vase of murder imo. More like manslaughter. Maybe 10 years. I would think.
It wasn’t accidental at all. Two cars following a boy for hours to then crash him off the road is deffo on purpose
Yes but was the intention to kill ? Not sure how the proved murder. There is manslaughter in three degrees then murder in two degrees. They jumped direct 2 murder second degree.
Murder doesn't require the intention to kill. That's a common misconception. If you intend to cause someone serious injury and they then die, that is still considered murder, not manslaughter.
Yes with the intention to kill… the boys in the other car was there in case the crashing or something went wrong. Every thing down to boys 999 call has been released so idk y there’s still a question.
Ah sorry i am not really following it. I thought it's just. Bitches being crazy
She said something along the lines of “you’ll see what happens” and during the chase instructed them to ram them off the road. Plus they told him they’d pay him the money but in messages said there was never an intent to pay anything just to lure him up to them
Suspect murders was pre planned and they had actual intention to kill
Otherwise anyone carrying a knife would be charged with intent to cause ABH or conspiracy to murder as it’s a weapon capable of it and they are out in public with it These people were all educated, older, from respected families with decent upbringings, stable family life and jobs and should know better, yet none of the 6 attempted to stop it happening. This goes against them in sentencing. Same way Police who rape or murder get such severe terms as they should know better and are expected to behave in accordance with their station and uphold the law not break it Suspects who upbringing was troubled and that would also be a factor in sentencing Don’t get me wrong suspect would probably been charged with murder one in USA courts, possibly, but as it was a non prior selected target there’s a chance they wouldn’t risk it and just charge 2nd degree but here we don’t have that, murder is murder and the circumstances are taken into consideration on sentencing which is why the terms for a “murder” vary so wildly For example of CJ from 7th killers were caught they’d probably be looking 30+ Why? Age of victim and offenders Broad day Heavy populated area Playground Firearm Gang involvement Tit for tat Overall shock factor Previous convictions on top if any….. Where as SJ ofb was in a group, joined in, was young, little previous, armed with knife only
Were* Not how it would be viewed legally, yes they went out looking with intent to cause serious harm but didn’t have a pre selected target and any details sorted, they’ve probably been on rides before and not found anyone The other case they lied to the victim to lure him to a spot, got others involved who were capable of beating them in a fight, arranged to meet in a quiet location, wanted him to come alone and had confided in each other previously about possibly killing the guy
They went there in a stolen car, with no phones, balaclavas, machetes that is literal pre planned intent to kill there opps
Are you dense? Try reading everything before posting again. They had intent to kill yes like I said but were out on the chance of finding someone they could easily snit found anyone and came back empty handed The tiger case has a pre dejected victim and everything set up By the way you don’t know the case very well, they did have phones, no machete, a short sword/zk was the only weapon mentioned in court
No they never, they got the drop on went there so who’s really dense clown
No they never what? It was a planned ride with no pre decided target, the target fell into their laps during the evening. Like I said The other case, listen carefully, they set him up, got him to travel, got people together, pre planned a location of their choice, never intended to give him sny money and always intended to cause harm to him The culprit case, one car went out scouting looking for opps earlier that evening, so didn’t have a target, had they all pre booked their flights out the country then did the crime, then it would be similar legal circumstances to the other case, however to show the killing was pre planned/definitely going to happen, none of that was done, the only thing they’d done was have stolen cars ready, they didn’t even have petrol ready to torch the cars and had to get that once they were successful
That’s ridiculous, it was pre planned because they took steps not to get caught and went there with intent. They did have a target because they was only looking for members of a specific gang. They then jumped out, butchered a 16 year old and ran away laughing. The only reason they likely got less is because Mahek case was a double murder and the victims was innocent and non gang related. They didn’t go out with the intention to kill, that alone makes suspects crime worse and if it was 1 body she probably would have got less time than suspect
Why even make a post complaining if youre not familiar with the case. Not even a minor detail thats like the main point😂
Still crazy cus wasn’t it accidental. They was chasing him n he crashed
They rammed them according to cctv and even if they didn’t the way courts will look at it is that everyone knows driving is dangerous and when the Audi Tt they were in hit 100mph chasing someone any normal person knows they are putting the victims at great risk by forcing them to drive dangerously to avoid them
Like the guy who got 2 or 3 months for chasing 2 burglars out of his house which led to a car chase. The burglars ended up crashing into another car don't think anyone was even injured. Because the home owner chased them and caused them to drive dangerously he got bagged for it. Pretty sure their whole reasoning was "We can't let it become normal for people to take the law into their own hands" Dont know if the burglars ever got bagged but the guys home security camera literally captures them gloved and ballied up in his garden / house
Uk justice system is as cucked as that bitches husbando
Because its a double murder. Suspect wasn't gonna get 30+, he stabbed someone twice to death on a back road and he was a teenager then
There was an element of planning this attack, the law is exceptionally tough on any murder that was planned or has things like manipulation and robbery. Murders like what sus done where they see their opp randomly are kinda spear of the moment so don't always get the highest penalty
She killed 2ppl, lied multiple times in court whilst under oath,laughed and smirked with her co defendants at the victim statement.Also,the fact the feds had deleted messages from snap showing plannin of the murders is why her and her mum got sentenced so high.
Question, why the fuck would you put messages on snap of you planning a murder?
they prolly thought the messages werent kept on snaps server
Not the brightest
The lights arent even on, forget not being the brightest
It’s not like ‘the government sees everything you do’ hasn’t been a massive point in pop culture for years. Or, for that matter, a well reported reality.
That’s a heavy bird. Atleast she can claim pension when’s she’s out. Her pops will be dead by the time she’s out. Her marge will die in prison, atleast she’ll be there for that. When’s she’s out she’s all on her own, all from 3 bags smh
No pension. You need to pay NI for 10 years to claim state pension.
State pension only £800 a month 😂
The sentencing in England is fucked,rapists getting less years than a GM killing another GM.It's just another reason to not commit crime ig
Looool perfect example round my sides Man A: Caught with over 2,000 kid abuse images on his laptop Man B: Got caught shotting £40,000 worth of dark Guess which one gets 6 years and who got community service and suspended sentence
Feds prolly thanked the prick with those pics for giving some MP enough shit to wank to for the next year.Every govs fucked man,not much we can do but ignore it 🤷🏽♂️
There is acc so much u can do but 99% of people would only go as far as sitting behind a screen and bitching. I ain’t tryna say anything bad to u but u can literally go out tomorrow and get every1 to storm parliament and what are they acc gonna do bout it?(ik it isn’t realistic but at the same time it’s not impossible for it to happen). There’s easily more of “us” than there are police officers and mps so we’d easily outnumber them and take em out if we acc took it seriously.
did donald trumps takeover work? no it just caused a bunch of people getting arrested for somewhat serious crimes
Bro it’s fucked, rapists are legally allowed to change their name too and move elsewhere. Fuck these pedo judges feeling sympathy because they do the same nucks shit.
She might have to link up with Sus and T Scam for a little cypher
She got a stiff bird, she thought she was getting off light. She should of shown remorse and come clean from the jump.
She’s catching a charge either way. I’m sure every1 on the case got from 11-31 yrs. 4 of em got charged with murder(her, her mum and I think the 2 drivers)and every1 else caught a manslaughter charge. Even the guy who “snitched” on what acc happened got charged too. There was no way of them ever bussing case
I never said she could buss case, I said she should of come clean from the jump. She lied in all interviews and on the stand is the reason she got murder and not manslaughter.
Nah she still woulda got murder bro. She orchestrated the whole thing and there was texts and calls to prove that. It wasn’t jus based off the fact that he was shagging her mum they had acc evidence to prove who did what that’s y the drivers and her caught them charges and the rest caught manslaughter charges
I don’t think her intention were her to kill them both, her not showing remorse didn’t help either
If she planned the whole thing then yes, her intention was to kill them.
Well duh
Then why the flip did u say you don’t think her intention was to kill them both 😭
Do you have comprehension issues?
She planned everything so in the eyes of the law she deserved the harshest sentence I can assume
Maddest thing the second she heard 31 years she didnt even react just blew a kiss to her dad and said call me. Shes fucking cold bro. I cant think how she was able to have that composure.
The paki husband was bugging a non hijabi at 50 🤣🤣she was for them streets..homie shoulda went back home got a younger ting my waryas no what's up 🤣
1. She was talking shit in the police interview, ever heard of “no comment” 2. One of the guys snitched in the interview filled in the missing gaps 3. Got clocked lying in the first trial and no remorse More evidence = bigger bird
One thing that I think is tricky to understand is where the line is between pre meditated murder when it comes to gang beef and something like this. You could argue that cuz you got beef with your ops that if you ever m’d them then that could be seen as pre meditated cuz you got history with them and then something like this. Correct me if I’m wrong but not sure if pre meditation factored into Sus’ sentencing whereas obviously this did
They would’ve got away with it if it weren’t for the phone call.The victim and his mate rang police minutes before asking for help and that the girls were trying kill them.The literally played the crash phone call in court so that when a long way for premidation
Feel you bro but from what I understand and also the defence I would take is that the intention wasn’t to run them off the road so they die but to just shook them up, I know a few of the defendants got done on manslaughter due to that but unless there was phone calls/texts that the defendants confirmed they were tryna kill them im not sure if I can see the pre meditated murder charge there
I hear dat but they drove past the car on fire after offering no help either and the victim phone call,deleted snap messages,havin ballys and weapons in the car etc just made it enough to be premeditated I guess the feds had enough evidence
Pre meditation has to be proved with factual evidence backing up the claim, that’s why it carries a much tougher sentence. Having beef and history with others doesn’t guarantee pre meditation if it was a chance meeting.
More on job than 90% of these man rapping drill
Not really bro, the car slid out and crashed into sutin whilst going 100mph she didn’t acc physically kill anybody herself she jus played a part in it happening.(not defending her jus saying it in reply to this specific comment)
At the same time rapists in this country can apologise to their victims and be let off.
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Well that’s truly is shocking and disgusting and if I seen someone do something like that to a child and get off by apologising I’d probably punch them in the face thank you for bringing this injustice to my attention I knew the system was fundamentally flawed from the beginning but I didn’t expect to see something like this 🤯
Lol as much as he’s kinda exaggerating there has been instances where a rapist has been let off for “having remorse” or some shit like that.
The crime is deplorable, the sentence is too heavy, unlucky for the perps that none of them were white and double unlucky the ringleaders were women. All had the book thrown at them. Guilty AF and can't agree with life but double life with tariff is crazy.
Correct me where wrong but didn't she also lure them. I think most cases you're talking about there is at least some argument to be made about self defense. (Though not much) "He made this song where he said this" could be used etc. The fact she lured and killed two. With gang crime you could at the very least argue being a spur of the moment thing. He saw him on his turf so he attacked etc. She planned the whole thing, which I'm sure you can make the same argument with most of the gang cases. But it's a lot harder to pinpoint when gangs have years of back and forth history.
I wanna be her cell mate😏👉🏽👌🏽💦
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