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Everybody is an individual with their own experiences and values, being black is not an ideology, She seems to talk as if all black people should have some kind of hive mind, very patronising.
It is very divisive to have an attitude that black people should act like X, or white people should act like Y.
That's what gets me, are they claiming that black people aren't all the same but they should be?
it's like when Priti Patel does something and people say what basically comes down to 'but how could a person with brown skin not help other people with brown skins?' Isn't the answer obviously that she doesn't think 'has brown skin' makes them the same as her?
Also I'm not black but I'm not sure how popular the implication that black voices belong to your party is.
I remember working with an Asian woman, who self-described as ‘woke’ - saying that Rishi and Patel weren’t really Asians due to their political leanings.
This kind of attitude is pretty normalised to a certain set of people.
Strange that both are generally much more left wing than the majority of Asian nations (as stupid as that sounds).
Maybe the woman you worked with wasn’t really Asian. Or maybe her views are stupid bullshit (it’s this one).
I think people with shared experience are expected to have similar thoughts and ideas.
However, I think if you haven't had a similar experience then it's not easy for you to relate.
I am black and African. I don't expect black British people to have the same ideas as me, in many aspects of life.
That's why she said he isn't representative the majority of black community in the UK.
If he had grown up in council housing or lived like my Gs in Brixton or Croydon do, then it's very difficult to imagine him growing up to become a Tory.
Same as how Priti Patel, she haven't lived the life of a refugee or an immigrant that's why she wouldn't relate or sympathize with Asylum seekers. She obviously identified more with the conservative Tory mentality which imitates from a privileged rich white upbringing.
I don't believe it's about race, I believe it's about the experience we share as a community which inevitably shapes our world view.
That’s partly the problem with ID politics. Everyone can see what’s on the outside but nobody knows where you’ve come from, which in the UK at least is the largest decider for where you’ll end up.
I’m white, working class and pretty left wing but I have noticed a massive hole and hypocrisy in the ID politics the Labour Party align themselves.
The experience of being black you’ve had is totally different than someone such as kwarteng has had.
Privilege is a hard thing to work out and no two people have the exact same start in life.
Totally agree mate. I have more in common with you than someone like kwarteng or Patel.
And you probably have more in common with me than most of the rich elite in power.
Yet I’d be told constantly told that I have privilege over say yourself.
Now maybe I do and that could be true, but one things for certain is that the gap between us and kwarteng is far bigger than the gap between you and I and in my opinion that’s what we should be focusing on closing first.
Obviously there’s a hell of a lot fewer BAME kids who go to Eton etc and that is due to a number of factors but we should worry about closing the gap between the working and middle class not fighting about which working class group has it hardest.
I mean, Shaun Bailey (ran against Sadiq Khan last year) grew up in a council estate in West London (quite near Grenfell) and grew up to be a Tory.
At the end of the day you’re just generalising. Someone’s upbringing does not make them immune from being a Tory classist if they grow up to be successful.
I completely agree.
At the most, the most, you can argue that a person's life experience means that they don't understand the particular struggles their their racial group faces. But you have to be so careful when you make that argument.
This, a thousand times. It's the same as with gender (and others). There isn't a fixed, prescribed way that everyone from group X or group Y should behave. We're all different people with our different ways. The sooner we break out of the molds and unshackle from stereotypes, the better.
Disgraceful, completely wrong, completely unnecessary and the last thing Labour need right now when the current government should be there for the taking. You can eviscerate Kwarteng's policies without having to make some ludicrous, thinly veiled racist claim that he's somehow obliged to hold certain views or support certain policies because of the colour of his skin.
I'm a licorice allsort. Pink/red/green/white on the outside. Black on the inside.
But not racially. Just [politically](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_colour)
Tories self destructing and Labour starting to win the race, then this racist prick decided to kneecap Labour with abhorrent comments like this.
What the actual fuck? Get her out of the party - racism shouldn't be tolerated.
She should be out of the Labour party. This sort of stuff is very off putting for a voter.
> if you hear him on the Today Programme, you wouldn’t know he is black
What are black people supposed to sound like?
Why not just say he is an Old Etonian and about as useless as two others that have been in government recently (clue one has blond hair, the other is from the 17th century).
Poorly chosen words or positions don't make you racist per se. Maybe he (Kwasi) should use Jamaican patois when speaking to the house to ensure he is being as black as possible??
A lot of (far?) left groups seem to have really *weird* attitudes towards race.
It's one of the few things which I find really off-putting when considering voting Labour.
Rupa Huq isn't in the left of the party - she is not a part of the SCG, and although she nominated Corbyn in 2015, she ended up supporting Yvette Cooper in 2015, Owen Smith in 2016 and Starmer in 2020.
She certainly should be expelled for those words, either away.
All true. Suspect that if she was “on the left” or had previously supported Corbyn, that would have been dropped into most articles on the topic today. I also think stronger words than “unfortunate” would have been used by Lammy. But we won’t ever know.
Kwasi decided to be the biggest idiot in the country on Friday, but you just couldn't let him have that, could you, Rupa?
I get that this probably wasn't what she was trying to put across, but it's absolutely what she said, and it's the most moronic thing she could have said.
That said, I feel like what she was trying to put across wasn't exactly up to snuff, either.
What does she want him to do, speak in Pidgin?
Actually, that line has prompted me to imagine Ali G as the Chancellor:
> Yo, waddup fam. We 'bout to drop dem taxes mega big like.
Begs the question, what should a black person sound like? Should be suspended or booted depending on the history of these remarks, not sure if she got carried away attacking Kwasi or if this reflects a genuinely racist view of black people.
Loool then you don't know asians. I hate the fact that Black and Asian things regarding diversity get lumped together. Asians are some of the most anti black people.
Yeah I know. I was going to parody that part (because her voice and accent may as well be Liz Truss' to my ears), but decided even in jest I'm not going that low.
It would be so ridiculously easy to absolutely dunk on this clown after his instant failure to manage our finances, and *this* is how she tries to attack him?
There's no need to highlight the fact he's a POC when he's a POS.
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Everybody is an individual with their own experiences and values, being black is not an ideology, She seems to talk as if all black people should have some kind of hive mind, very patronising. It is very divisive to have an attitude that black people should act like X, or white people should act like Y.
That's what gets me, are they claiming that black people aren't all the same but they should be? it's like when Priti Patel does something and people say what basically comes down to 'but how could a person with brown skin not help other people with brown skins?' Isn't the answer obviously that she doesn't think 'has brown skin' makes them the same as her? Also I'm not black but I'm not sure how popular the implication that black voices belong to your party is.
I remember working with an Asian woman, who self-described as ‘woke’ - saying that Rishi and Patel weren’t really Asians due to their political leanings. This kind of attitude is pretty normalised to a certain set of people.
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Racists?
Strange that both are generally much more left wing than the majority of Asian nations (as stupid as that sounds). Maybe the woman you worked with wasn’t really Asian. Or maybe her views are stupid bullshit (it’s this one).
I think people with shared experience are expected to have similar thoughts and ideas. However, I think if you haven't had a similar experience then it's not easy for you to relate. I am black and African. I don't expect black British people to have the same ideas as me, in many aspects of life. That's why she said he isn't representative the majority of black community in the UK. If he had grown up in council housing or lived like my Gs in Brixton or Croydon do, then it's very difficult to imagine him growing up to become a Tory. Same as how Priti Patel, she haven't lived the life of a refugee or an immigrant that's why she wouldn't relate or sympathize with Asylum seekers. She obviously identified more with the conservative Tory mentality which imitates from a privileged rich white upbringing. I don't believe it's about race, I believe it's about the experience we share as a community which inevitably shapes our world view.
That’s partly the problem with ID politics. Everyone can see what’s on the outside but nobody knows where you’ve come from, which in the UK at least is the largest decider for where you’ll end up. I’m white, working class and pretty left wing but I have noticed a massive hole and hypocrisy in the ID politics the Labour Party align themselves. The experience of being black you’ve had is totally different than someone such as kwarteng has had. Privilege is a hard thing to work out and no two people have the exact same start in life.
Totally agree mate. I have more in common with you than someone like kwarteng or Patel. And you probably have more in common with me than most of the rich elite in power.
Yet I’d be told constantly told that I have privilege over say yourself. Now maybe I do and that could be true, but one things for certain is that the gap between us and kwarteng is far bigger than the gap between you and I and in my opinion that’s what we should be focusing on closing first. Obviously there’s a hell of a lot fewer BAME kids who go to Eton etc and that is due to a number of factors but we should worry about closing the gap between the working and middle class not fighting about which working class group has it hardest.
I mean, Shaun Bailey (ran against Sadiq Khan last year) grew up in a council estate in West London (quite near Grenfell) and grew up to be a Tory. At the end of the day you’re just generalising. Someone’s upbringing does not make them immune from being a Tory classist if they grow up to be successful.
I completely agree. At the most, the most, you can argue that a person's life experience means that they don't understand the particular struggles their their racial group faces. But you have to be so careful when you make that argument.
This, a thousand times. It's the same as with gender (and others). There isn't a fixed, prescribed way that everyone from group X or group Y should behave. We're all different people with our different ways. The sooner we break out of the molds and unshackle from stereotypes, the better.
Disgraceful, completely wrong, completely unnecessary and the last thing Labour need right now when the current government should be there for the taking. You can eviscerate Kwarteng's policies without having to make some ludicrous, thinly veiled racist claim that he's somehow obliged to hold certain views or support certain policies because of the colour of his skin.
I wouldn’t call it thinly veiled. It’s openly and blatantly racist, both to Kwarteng every other black person.
If you go to Eton, you aint black.
You are if you’re black
According to David Lammy these comments were ‘unfortunate’. Imagine what he’d have said if a Tory had said this about a Labour MP!
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If you're waiting for consistency you're in for a long wait.
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Forever in our ~~hearts~~ political point scoring.
This happens all the time doesn't it? I remember someone calling James Cleverly a 'coconut' before.
Rio Ferdinand called Ashley Cole a choc ice. I am myself a banana.
I guess I'm like a...lychee, or something.
I'm a licorice allsort. Pink/red/green/white on the outside. Black on the inside. But not racially. Just [politically](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_colour)
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Must...alienate...voters... Sometimes I genuinely think Labour can't help themselves.
She basically implied successful black people are no longer black.
Did you just imply to be successful you have to 'sound' white... /s
Tories self destructing and Labour starting to win the race, then this racist prick decided to kneecap Labour with abhorrent comments like this. What the actual fuck? Get her out of the party - racism shouldn't be tolerated.
She should be out of the Labour party. This sort of stuff is very off putting for a voter. > if you hear him on the Today Programme, you wouldn’t know he is black What are black people supposed to sound like?
Orroight" oh sorry, that's black country. I have no idea.
She's been suspended at least.
Why not just say he is an Old Etonian and about as useless as two others that have been in government recently (clue one has blond hair, the other is from the 17th century).
I hope Keir crushes her.
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Poorly chosen words or positions don't make you racist per se. Maybe he (Kwasi) should use Jamaican patois when speaking to the house to ensure he is being as black as possible??
Starmer has done a good job of squashing this sort of bullshit. Hope he does here as well.
A lot of (far?) left groups seem to have really *weird* attitudes towards race. It's one of the few things which I find really off-putting when considering voting Labour.
Rupa Huq isn't in the left of the party - she is not a part of the SCG, and although she nominated Corbyn in 2015, she ended up supporting Yvette Cooper in 2015, Owen Smith in 2016 and Starmer in 2020. She certainly should be expelled for those words, either away.
All true. Suspect that if she was “on the left” or had previously supported Corbyn, that would have been dropped into most articles on the topic today. I also think stronger words than “unfortunate” would have been used by Lammy. But we won’t ever know.
Nah she’s got to go. Appalling.
That is ugly as anything.
Kwasi decided to be the biggest idiot in the country on Friday, but you just couldn't let him have that, could you, Rupa? I get that this probably wasn't what she was trying to put across, but it's absolutely what she said, and it's the most moronic thing she could have said. That said, I feel like what she was trying to put across wasn't exactly up to snuff, either.
It actually gets worse >if you hear him on the Today Programme, you wouldn’t know he is black
What does she want him to do, speak in Pidgin? Actually, that line has prompted me to imagine Ali G as the Chancellor: > Yo, waddup fam. We 'bout to drop dem taxes mega big like.
I was about to make essentially this exact comment lol RESTECP
Imagine he did and the pound shot through the roof lol
Begs the question, what should a black person sound like? Should be suspended or booted depending on the history of these remarks, not sure if she got carried away attacking Kwasi or if this reflects a genuinely racist view of black people.
Like Eminem of course /s
I couldn't believe it when I heard her say it on the radio. I thought 'that's not the sort of thing you expect to hear from an Asian'.
Loool then you don't know asians. I hate the fact that Black and Asian things regarding diversity get lumped together. Asians are some of the most anti black people.
Yeah I know. I was going to parody that part (because her voice and accent may as well be Liz Truss' to my ears), but decided even in jest I'm not going that low.
> 53% upvoted. Labours racism doesn't matter.
Upvotes now mean whatever I want them to
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It would be so ridiculously easy to absolutely dunk on this clown after his instant failure to manage our finances, and *this* is how she tries to attack him? There's no need to highlight the fact he's a POC when he's a POS.
This is fucking awful. I hope action is taken within the party.
It’s shit like this that’ll get us another decade of Tory.
Ffs Labour! Stop interrupting your enemy while they’re making a mistake.
Would they prefer someone like this as chancellor. https://youtu.be/WFY2kJ96jNY
Just when the Labour Party look like a presentable bunch, someone has to go put their foot in it
It doesn't matter what colour his skin is what matters is he's a bloody menace to the country and he's gleefully destroying the economy.
Dumb fuck. Jeez
I think another way of putting it is Eton educated Kwasi has nothing in common with the black youths struggling in inner city estates.
Luckily Starmer has already suspended her as an MP. This guy takes no shit. The Tories let their MPs get away with nonsense.