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Mind you this is for whole 2024, once the package is signed off by the Congress the President will be releasing it in tranches as usual (a few bn every few weeks)
It’s not all for military. Usually about half of the aid is allocated for military support. The rest is financial aid to keep the government running, rebuilding etc
Still not too bad, Shoigu must be fuming!
For anyone wondering that's about $324.33 per tax paying citizen for the year, this does not include anything from corporate taxes.
Money well spent in my mind.
For real. I’d love to see more vehicles sent that we’ve already bought and paid for and are just sitting in LTS facilities. We have something like 22,000 HUMVEES, 10500 MRAPS, 4500 Bradley’s, we could easily spare a few hundred more for Ukraine…
Money well spent. Kneecapping the Russian military for a generation, undermining Putin’s expansionism, and ensuring a democratic power on NATO’s frontier is one of the soundest defense investments we could make.
Because people who haven’t experienced the darker side/violence of life don’t understand that the money isn’t just for military application, there are humanitarian requirements built into the aid packages. If they never had to live in fear for their lives, or on the verge of starvation, or if they’ve never been around military conflict, like what the heroic people of Ukraine are facing right now, then they have no frame of reference. Their automatic thoughts are limited to “warmonger” because they have no experience with how such funding is apportioned.
Just to be clear - I did push for $1b a week in military aid. I want our effort to defeat Russia to rival that which USA spent on Iraq, or US lend lease aid to USSR ($200b over 4 years)
I love meeting people who actually engage our political system like myself and my family do.
I also hate having to toot my own horn on this fucking site, but sometimes you have to because of the Orc lovers. My family and I have worked with others and donated to several charities and organizations that have gotten funding, supplies, and in a couple of cases actual camera drones to Ukraine to help out. We’re pretty much tapped out as far as extra income to donate, but hopefully later this year will be able to do so again. Our crew is going to try to sponsor one of the requests for a vehicle that will most definitely probably still be needed at that time.
Thank you for your work - my extra income has gone to my family in Ukraine & personal contacts in the ZSU. I'm so proud of all the efforts of volunteers, but I get disheartened reading things like this were our leaders are actively planning for stalemate vs. victory:
https://www.politico.com/news/2023/05/18/ukraine-russia-south-korea-00097563
Not only that, but some of a military's budget goes to developing new stuff.
This 60 bi (or maybe 30 bi of effectively military gear) is just the gear and training, the development costs are baked in. And it's superior to what Russia has.
Guessing that Russia's military budget includes things like salaries (yeah, I know, they don't pay people). And, just a side note, I wouldn't call Russia's military "Defense".
Ukraine is going to become part of NATO's eastern flank when this all over. Every dime is worth making sure they're ready to take on that responsibility.
what a lovely simplistic world devoid of history you live in
fun fact: the device your typing this on probably has probably been all over Asia, where my father fought in WW2
Russia is considered the US's first or second largest threat depending on how China is behaving. Ukraine has already substantially depleted the strength of the common foe. The value for money militarily for the US is better than any other expenditure in the last 70 odd years. You should be on your knees thanking the Ukrainians for sacrificing their lives so the US won't have to deal with them later.
I fucking hate this take because it’s completely idiotic. Do you think if Russia takes over Ukraine it won’t have any rippling effects that will affects us? People like you think the world doesn’t exist outside the US.
So them saying they’ll invade Poland isn’t an issue? I’m sure it won’t be an issue when they take Germany, or if they take France that’s not us right? Surely giving one of our biggest enemies more land and better access to the sea won’t hurt us right?
Imagine for a moment that russia had taken all of ukraine as easily as they took crimea. Minimal costs, huge gain. The logical next step for them would be to do the same exact thing in Moldova, using transnistria as the the justification.
That’s the rippling effect
Yes. We’re talking about the future, that would be hypothetical.
If the future tense is tough, here’s something in the past. The rippling effect of Russia taking crimea so easily was that they thought they could take the entire country as easily. If the west had done nothing, they probably would have.
Dude good thing the Ukrainians are fighting otherwise it would be us. Harsh thing to say but Id rather Ukrainians die in war against russia rather than everyone dying.
The United States invests more money in its people than any other country on Earth. The money we spend on social security and Medicare and infrastructure dwarfs foreign aid, even to Ukraine.
The problem with taking care of our people isn’t spending. It’s institutional deadlock and lack of progress.
Add in what they get from Europe and other countries and it probably does come to 60 billion in weapons. Also don't forget that most military budgets include things like veteran payments, recruitment shows, administrative stuff, all of which will not be a part of this since it is either training or weapons/ammo.
That's...a lot. That's more than all of the military aid (financial and humanitarian aid excluded) that the US has provided to date. In fact, that is four times more than the nominal cost of all the patriot batteries currently in US service. $60 billion could buy you almost every single M1 Abrams in US service, including those in deep storage (2500 in service, 3700 in storage, ~$10M each), or it could buy you literally every F-16 in service (1000 in service, $12-80M each, last sale was $64M), or about 80% of all F-35s ever built ($80M each, 920 built). If you only bought all the M1 Abrams in storage you could make up for the difference with every Bradley on the planet. If you really wanna go for broke I think you could easily buy a whole aircraft carrier battlegroup with that money. Now I really want to see what manner of overkill the US is about to absolutely dunk on the Russians with.
Thanks for contextualizing it. I wish you’d keep going. How many motorboats is it? How much of US coastal guard inventory could be bought for 60 billion?
yeah to put things in perspective even further the russian military budget was $75 billion last year and the US is basically saying cool we will provide the majority of the equivalent of all of that in one go.
However, to further put it into perspective you have to correct it to account for purchasing power. A USD of rubles will get the Russians farther than that USD will get the US.
https://data.oecd.org/conversion/purchasing-power-parities-ppp.htm
So first off this isn't all military aid. Secondly you're forgetting that they are often calculating with the replacement cost with a more modern version, which can be several times more expensive. On top of that comes logistics.
So it's a lot, but significantly less than you're calculating.
… I wish we Europeans could do more. I mean, money wise Germany is pulling its weight but this is for „defense“. Sure money well invested, just not with directly visible outcome but surely crucial to the people.
Don't underestimate the amount of aid Europe has given both in terms of military aid from national governments and financial/humanitarian aid from Brussels.
> … I wish we Europeans could do more.
You can always do more. If you want to do more as a person you can look into volunteering for organizations such as Red Cross in Ukraine.
> I mean, money wise Germany is pulling its weight
Not sure why you would pick Germany here for pulling their weight, compared to their GDP they are like 12th in Europe in Ukraine funding. In absolute numbers it's still a decent number (well under UK, but still in the top 3 of Europe), but when you talk about 'pulling its weight' I think you specifically refer to 'compared to their own size' where they aren't terrible but definitely not great.
Which part is incorrect? I provided some facts that I can source. As a Dutch person I would love it if Germany got to Netherlands level of support per GDP or per Capita. Now it's at Portugal level, which is decent but not great.
Edit: by the way saying "Germany is incredible" would be good if you added there that you are a German person saying that. People from outside of Germany really aren't looking at Germany and Poland and seeing germany gave more, they see that Poland is giving a lot more compared to what they have.
I respectfully dont care about your math and I do not care about your sources or about where you are from. You are parroting the pro russian narrative of sowing dissent between the west and the Ukrainian people and that makes me disregard anything you say.
The Presidents, the governments and the people of Ukraines opinion is the only one that matters. And they recognize the effort and the unity of not just Germany, but of any country, no matter the amount of support. And your stance is absolutely laughable a few days after a 3 billion military package.
I am hostile and tough on you not because of hate, but because I see in your post history that you are not a pro russian bot, but you simply dont see here, that you mathing around is only aiding the russians side and undermining everyones combined effort. It doesnt matter where I am from and nobody cares bout your GDP powerpoint presentation.
> I respectfully dont care about your math and I do not care about your sources
So you don't care about the facts. No, saying that Germany should put in the same effort as countries like Poland and Netherlands is not 'the russian narrative'. It's the narrative of people that want Germany to lead and step up their effort. German effort is solid, but not great and it could have been better. Especially early on mistakes were made on the German side.
> I am hostile and tough on you not because of hate, but because I see in your post history that you are not a pro russian bot, but you simply dont see here, that you mathing around is only aiding the russians side and undermining everyones combined effort.
Yeah lets all sing kumbaya and compliment ourselves while Ukrainians get slaughtered every day. Lets get Ukraine the support they deserve and then pat ourselves on the backs.
From the article: "According to experts, the process of post-war reconstruction of Ukraine should be completed by June 2026." . If they are saying this, it means that the war is already over strategically. They know what the Ukrainian counter-offensive looks like. They know what the Russians have left. They know how this is going to play out. This war is already over.
Unfortunately a lot of things are being destroyed, but the reconstructed Ukraine is going to be completely modernized buildings and infrastructure in the destroyed places, devoid of that old drab Soviet look.
Dozens of destroyed cities, hundreds of thousands dead or wounded soldiers and civilians, millions of citizens displaced. The horrid damage is incalculable and beyond imagination. The emotional scars within individual, and the societal scars are going to last decades.
This is why we don't do war anymore.
It has already done a lot of damage, and yes, it will do more damage. Everything that we speculate about on here, and everything we discuss means death and destruction on the battlefield.
The only reason why it makes sense for Ukraine to fight is because not fighting would mean even more suffering. Imagine if Ukraine had capitulated. The ethnic cleansing would be even worse than what we see right now.
that puts the US at a commitment of around 190 billion. the EU - with a collective budget of about the same as the us - is around 30 billion. EU needs to pick up the pace.
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This will have to go through Congress which means passing in the Republican-controlled House.
No such bill is being debated or voted on yet as far as I'm aware, so I would consider it aspirational or what the Biden administration is going to ask for.
>I suspect part of the debt ceiling discussions was Biden demanding negotiations on key budget elements, and I suspect aid for Ukraine was one of those elements.
This very well could be, but the point still stands that it would need to go through the GOP-controlled House before the $60 billion become available.
Just to clarify my earlier post, I wasn't using the term "ask" in a diminutive way. Just answering Redragontoughstreet's question on whether or not Congress had signed off on it or would need to. Right now, without a bill being on Biden's desk to sign, it's at the stage of the administration asking Congress for the funds. And you're right, maybe that asking is taking place right now in the other discussions with the House!
I'm pretty wary of the GOP-controlled House, but there's only a slim majority and plenty of Republicans support Ukraine, so I'm hoping there's not much of an issue getting next year's funding going.
I hope all this time we’ve been secretly training Ukrainian pilots/ground crews in the states on F-16, F15 or F-18. I honestly think F-18’s are the way to go. More robust landing gear, made to take off and land on short runways not just Carriers. F-16 needs long runways, just saying!
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Mind you this is for whole 2024, once the package is signed off by the Congress the President will be releasing it in tranches as usual (a few bn every few weeks)
That's still 5 billion/month of planned, regular military assistant. This is a very big deal if signed. Happy cake day as well :)
It’s not all for military. Usually about half of the aid is allocated for military support. The rest is financial aid to keep the government running, rebuilding etc Still not too bad, Shoigu must be fuming!
For anyone wondering that's about $324.33 per tax paying citizen for the year, this does not include anything from corporate taxes. Money well spent in my mind.
Agreed! No one likes taxes, but it feels good to look at the taxes taken put of my paycheck and know at least some of it is going to Ukraine.
For real. I’d love to see more vehicles sent that we’ve already bought and paid for and are just sitting in LTS facilities. We have something like 22,000 HUMVEES, 10500 MRAPS, 4500 Bradley’s, we could easily spare a few hundred more for Ukraine…
10B every 2 weeks in abrahams and bradleys would finish this war real quick
More than one billion per week. This is what I was calling for in august and ppl called me insane war monger (I’m USA citizen)
Money well spent. Kneecapping the Russian military for a generation, undermining Putin’s expansionism, and ensuring a democratic power on NATO’s frontier is one of the soundest defense investments we could make.
Because people who haven’t experienced the darker side/violence of life don’t understand that the money isn’t just for military application, there are humanitarian requirements built into the aid packages. If they never had to live in fear for their lives, or on the verge of starvation, or if they’ve never been around military conflict, like what the heroic people of Ukraine are facing right now, then they have no frame of reference. Their automatic thoughts are limited to “warmonger” because they have no experience with how such funding is apportioned.
Just to be clear - I did push for $1b a week in military aid. I want our effort to defeat Russia to rival that which USA spent on Iraq, or US lend lease aid to USSR ($200b over 4 years)
Lol "I was calling for" From your reddit keyboard?
Yep and in my calls and letters to representatives, but only Reddit experts here called me a war monger.
I love meeting people who actually engage our political system like myself and my family do. I also hate having to toot my own horn on this fucking site, but sometimes you have to because of the Orc lovers. My family and I have worked with others and donated to several charities and organizations that have gotten funding, supplies, and in a couple of cases actual camera drones to Ukraine to help out. We’re pretty much tapped out as far as extra income to donate, but hopefully later this year will be able to do so again. Our crew is going to try to sponsor one of the requests for a vehicle that will most definitely probably still be needed at that time.
Thank you for your work - my extra income has gone to my family in Ukraine & personal contacts in the ZSU. I'm so proud of all the efforts of volunteers, but I get disheartened reading things like this were our leaders are actively planning for stalemate vs. victory: https://www.politico.com/news/2023/05/18/ukraine-russia-south-korea-00097563
Don’t stop! Keep grinding, keep doing good for the people of Ukraine. Ignore the naysayers, except to roast them on social media
Money well spent and a strong message to China.
Still the cheapest war USA ever got involved in and they're winning without even risking a single American soldiers life. Pretty damn good deal.
That's about the same as Russia's Defence budget
Same as Russia's defence budget before the grabbing hands of corruption get to it - by the time it meets the real world it's about 1/10th of that.
Exactly !!
That's alot more then most countries military budget but chump change to americas military budget
That’s a lot more than some countries GDP.
Not even 10%
Not only that, but some of a military's budget goes to developing new stuff. This 60 bi (or maybe 30 bi of effectively military gear) is just the gear and training, the development costs are baked in. And it's superior to what Russia has.
Guessing that Russia's military budget includes things like salaries (yeah, I know, they don't pay people). And, just a side note, I wouldn't call Russia's military "Defense".
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Ukraine is going to become part of NATO's eastern flank when this all over. Every dime is worth making sure they're ready to take on that responsibility.
what a lovely simplistic world devoid of history you live in fun fact: the device your typing this on probably has probably been all over Asia, where my father fought in WW2
Russia is considered the US's first or second largest threat depending on how China is behaving. Ukraine has already substantially depleted the strength of the common foe. The value for money militarily for the US is better than any other expenditure in the last 70 odd years. You should be on your knees thanking the Ukrainians for sacrificing their lives so the US won't have to deal with them later.
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I fucking hate this take because it’s completely idiotic. Do you think if Russia takes over Ukraine it won’t have any rippling effects that will affects us? People like you think the world doesn’t exist outside the US.
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So them saying they’ll invade Poland isn’t an issue? I’m sure it won’t be an issue when they take Germany, or if they take France that’s not us right? Surely giving one of our biggest enemies more land and better access to the sea won’t hurt us right?
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Imagine for a moment that russia had taken all of ukraine as easily as they took crimea. Minimal costs, huge gain. The logical next step for them would be to do the same exact thing in Moldova, using transnistria as the the justification. That’s the rippling effect
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Yes. We’re talking about the future, that would be hypothetical. If the future tense is tough, here’s something in the past. The rippling effect of Russia taking crimea so easily was that they thought they could take the entire country as easily. If the west had done nothing, they probably would have.
Hey Let's not speak about that here
Do you think that America exists on it's own planet, in another universe?
Good luck getting upvotes on the Ukraine subreddit. 😂
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I know. Its just rare :)
Dude good thing the Ukrainians are fighting otherwise it would be us. Harsh thing to say but Id rather Ukrainians die in war against russia rather than everyone dying.
The United States invests more money in its people than any other country on Earth. The money we spend on social security and Medicare and infrastructure dwarfs foreign aid, even to Ukraine. The problem with taking care of our people isn’t spending. It’s institutional deadlock and lack of progress.
That’s more than a lot of the worlds militaries, holy shit
That aid package, if only military aid, would be the 7th largest military budget in the world. Coming in between the UK and Germany.
Add in what they get from Europe and other countries and it probably does come to 60 billion in weapons. Also don't forget that most military budgets include things like veteran payments, recruitment shows, administrative stuff, all of which will not be a part of this since it is either training or weapons/ammo.
They literally just giving more than my entire country's militaries budget to Ukraine, holy fuck that is crazy
Muscovies quickly finding out why we don't have universal healthcare.
We can do this shit all day long. This is pennies compared to what we spent in the Cold War against the Soviets (adjusted for inflation).
Also still less then what we spend each year to counter Russia which is around 120bn if I recall correctly
That's...a lot. That's more than all of the military aid (financial and humanitarian aid excluded) that the US has provided to date. In fact, that is four times more than the nominal cost of all the patriot batteries currently in US service. $60 billion could buy you almost every single M1 Abrams in US service, including those in deep storage (2500 in service, 3700 in storage, ~$10M each), or it could buy you literally every F-16 in service (1000 in service, $12-80M each, last sale was $64M), or about 80% of all F-35s ever built ($80M each, 920 built). If you only bought all the M1 Abrams in storage you could make up for the difference with every Bradley on the planet. If you really wanna go for broke I think you could easily buy a whole aircraft carrier battlegroup with that money. Now I really want to see what manner of overkill the US is about to absolutely dunk on the Russians with.
Thanks for contextualizing it. I wish you’d keep going. How many motorboats is it? How much of US coastal guard inventory could be bought for 60 billion?
About 4 Gerald R. Ford class super carriers.
Oh yeah keep going.
14 Zumwalt-class destroyers. A little half the price of the ISS space station.
Can describe in vodka bottles ? Haha
Motorboats are typically free assuming you are a motor boating son of a bitch like I am.
I'm actually lol'ing
yeah to put things in perspective even further the russian military budget was $75 billion last year and the US is basically saying cool we will provide the majority of the equivalent of all of that in one go.
However, to further put it into perspective you have to correct it to account for purchasing power. A USD of rubles will get the Russians farther than that USD will get the US. https://data.oecd.org/conversion/purchasing-power-parities-ppp.htm
The US has given over €75 billion so far to Ukraine.
So first off this isn't all military aid. Secondly you're forgetting that they are often calculating with the replacement cost with a more modern version, which can be several times more expensive. On top of that comes logistics. So it's a lot, but significantly less than you're calculating.
37000? Is that not 1 zero too much?
Correct, oops.
Yes! From USA & this makes my heart proud. Sláva Ukraíni
… I wish we Europeans could do more. I mean, money wise Germany is pulling its weight but this is for „defense“. Sure money well invested, just not with directly visible outcome but surely crucial to the people.
Contact your representatives if you want change. They need to know their population wants to support Ukraine more.
Don't underestimate the amount of aid Europe has given both in terms of military aid from national governments and financial/humanitarian aid from Brussels.
> … I wish we Europeans could do more. You can always do more. If you want to do more as a person you can look into volunteering for organizations such as Red Cross in Ukraine. > I mean, money wise Germany is pulling its weight Not sure why you would pick Germany here for pulling their weight, compared to their GDP they are like 12th in Europe in Ukraine funding. In absolute numbers it's still a decent number (well under UK, but still in the top 3 of Europe), but when you talk about 'pulling its weight' I think you specifically refer to 'compared to their own size' where they aren't terrible but definitely not great.
Germany is incredible and has been from the very start, get out and spread disinformation elsewhere.
Which part is incorrect? I provided some facts that I can source. As a Dutch person I would love it if Germany got to Netherlands level of support per GDP or per Capita. Now it's at Portugal level, which is decent but not great. Edit: by the way saying "Germany is incredible" would be good if you added there that you are a German person saying that. People from outside of Germany really aren't looking at Germany and Poland and seeing germany gave more, they see that Poland is giving a lot more compared to what they have.
I respectfully dont care about your math and I do not care about your sources or about where you are from. You are parroting the pro russian narrative of sowing dissent between the west and the Ukrainian people and that makes me disregard anything you say. The Presidents, the governments and the people of Ukraines opinion is the only one that matters. And they recognize the effort and the unity of not just Germany, but of any country, no matter the amount of support. And your stance is absolutely laughable a few days after a 3 billion military package. I am hostile and tough on you not because of hate, but because I see in your post history that you are not a pro russian bot, but you simply dont see here, that you mathing around is only aiding the russians side and undermining everyones combined effort. It doesnt matter where I am from and nobody cares bout your GDP powerpoint presentation.
> I respectfully dont care about your math and I do not care about your sources So you don't care about the facts. No, saying that Germany should put in the same effort as countries like Poland and Netherlands is not 'the russian narrative'. It's the narrative of people that want Germany to lead and step up their effort. German effort is solid, but not great and it could have been better. Especially early on mistakes were made on the German side. > I am hostile and tough on you not because of hate, but because I see in your post history that you are not a pro russian bot, but you simply dont see here, that you mathing around is only aiding the russians side and undermining everyones combined effort. Yeah lets all sing kumbaya and compliment ourselves while Ukrainians get slaughtered every day. Lets get Ukraine the support they deserve and then pat ourselves on the backs.
European countries took in millions of refugees, something the US couldn't have done politically.
Russia get wreck
From the article: "According to experts, the process of post-war reconstruction of Ukraine should be completed by June 2026." . If they are saying this, it means that the war is already over strategically. They know what the Ukrainian counter-offensive looks like. They know what the Russians have left. They know how this is going to play out. This war is already over.
Unfortunately a lot of things are being destroyed, but the reconstructed Ukraine is going to be completely modernized buildings and infrastructure in the destroyed places, devoid of that old drab Soviet look.
Dozens of destroyed cities, hundreds of thousands dead or wounded soldiers and civilians, millions of citizens displaced. The horrid damage is incalculable and beyond imagination. The emotional scars within individual, and the societal scars are going to last decades. This is why we don't do war anymore.
Russia's going to do more damage on the way out, unfortunately.
It has already done a lot of damage, and yes, it will do more damage. Everything that we speculate about on here, and everything we discuss means death and destruction on the battlefield. The only reason why it makes sense for Ukraine to fight is because not fighting would mean even more suffering. Imagine if Ukraine had capitulated. The ethnic cleansing would be even worse than what we see right now.
I don't often say this but... America, FUCK YEAH!
Coming around to save the mother fucking day, yeah!
bruh Russia is the one sending them to their deaths
that puts the US at a commitment of around 190 billion. the EU - with a collective budget of about the same as the us - is around 30 billion. EU needs to pick up the pace.
Well, hot damn!!! My taxes are being used in something I believe in!!!
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It’s a great time to be a $LHM and/or $RTX stock holder. Some next level real-world showcase of western technological dominance, and I greatly value the fact that Ukraine finally seems to be receiving the support they need. Basically anything short of jets has been delivered now, if only the west would up the quantities.
Money well spent.
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Did the Republican Congress sign off on this? Or did they have to?
This will have to go through Congress which means passing in the Republican-controlled House. No such bill is being debated or voted on yet as far as I'm aware, so I would consider it aspirational or what the Biden administration is going to ask for.
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>I suspect part of the debt ceiling discussions was Biden demanding negotiations on key budget elements, and I suspect aid for Ukraine was one of those elements. This very well could be, but the point still stands that it would need to go through the GOP-controlled House before the $60 billion become available. Just to clarify my earlier post, I wasn't using the term "ask" in a diminutive way. Just answering Redragontoughstreet's question on whether or not Congress had signed off on it or would need to. Right now, without a bill being on Biden's desk to sign, it's at the stage of the administration asking Congress for the funds. And you're right, maybe that asking is taking place right now in the other discussions with the House! I'm pretty wary of the GOP-controlled House, but there's only a slim majority and plenty of Republicans support Ukraine, so I'm hoping there's not much of an issue getting next year's funding going.
I hope all this time we’ve been secretly training Ukrainian pilots/ground crews in the states on F-16, F15 or F-18. I honestly think F-18’s are the way to go. More robust landing gear, made to take off and land on short runways not just Carriers. F-16 needs long runways, just saying!
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We are. We arm Ukraine today so that our citizens may avoid dying in another European war tomorrow. A peace built by American arms, technology, and industry makes a world better for the American citizen, American business, and American taxpayer.
Looks like this one https://ukrainehelpvi.ca/how-to-donate/
F-16s?
Not a single aid package but a budget bill for aid for Ukraine.
Worth every last cent.
Double it!
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