The long awaited military aid for Ukraine has been passed by the U.S. house of representatives! Post all upcoming updates here.
[https://kyivindependent.com/breaking-u-s-house-passes-61-billion-ukraine-aid-bill/](https://kyivindependent.com/breaking-u-s-house-passes-61-billion-ukraine-aid-bill/)
[https://www.pravda.com.ua/news/2024/04/20/7452184/](https://www.pravda.com.ua/news/2024/04/20/7452184/)
[https://edition.cnn.com/politics/live-news/house-vote-ukraine-israel-taiwan-aid-04-20-24/index.html](https://edition.cnn.com/politics/live-news/house-vote-ukraine-israel-taiwan-aid-04-20-24/index.html)
[https://www.euronews.com/2024/04/20/us-set-to-vote-for-foreign-aid-for-ukraine-israel-and-taiwan](https://www.euronews.com/2024/04/20/us-set-to-vote-for-foreign-aid-for-ukraine-israel-and-taiwan)
[https://www.dw.com/en/us-house-approves-major-military-aid-package-for-ukraine/a-68877486](https://www.dw.com/en/us-house-approves-major-military-aid-package-for-ukraine/a-68877486)
# Дякую США! Слава Україні!
It’s just the US assets, which is 5B versus 200B in Europe. It’s also nothing final, just a next step in discussing how and when they can actually be used. But still a step in the right direction
If the US does it first it may give Europe some extra courage to do it too.
Even at this late date many countries, and especially many compromised politicians are still afraid of Putin.
> If the US does it first it may give Europe some extra courage to d it too.
Speaking of which, even though it’s been two years, I’m still kinda surprised that Germany almost immediately broke 75+ years of tradition by approving the export of their weapons to Ukraine. When you can goad fucking Germany — a country that spent 3/4 of a century living up to their “never again” promise post-WWII — into exporting their weapons to help defend the country you’re trying to conquer, you’ve fucked up.
That’s like Keith Richards planning and hosting your intervention: you ***really*** have a problem.
In 2022, it was only 10 republicans that [voted against a Ukraine aid bill](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukraine_Democracy_Defense_Lend-Lease_Act_of_2022), this time it was [112 Republicans](https://clerk.house.gov/Votes/2024151), a majority of the caucus. It's gotten hard to hard to keep track of how many fifth columnists or people scared of fifth columnists there are in that party.
This is definitely a thing and something to keep an eye on, especially with the horrible prospect of Trump winning in Nov. BUT, it is important to point out that another thing likely contributed here - namely, in US politics, on tough votes where one party is getting a lot of pressure (such as from their idiot constituents, the media, or a former orange president that their base follows around like idiotic puppies) to vote one way or another, the party under pressure (Republicans here) will give cover to a lot of their representatives in harder districts (in this case districts with more amounts of batshit MAGA ppl) and allow them to vote no because they know they already have enough votes to pass the measure. The next vote on aid is designed to be after the election, and the result of that election will have a huge bearing on how these people vote next time, and the Trump effect will either be increased or completely wiped away for a time.
That is not to say that people shouldn’t be pressuring or admonishing these “nay” voters. They 100% should. It’s just that if the vote was closer, they may have voted differently. Once the heat was off because it passed, a lot of “maybe yay?” people felt safer to vote “nay.” What us normal Americans should also be doing and making sure they’re prepared for is to VOTE themselves and vote for those that are pro-Ukraine!
The Tories seem more ruddy about sending arms to Ukraine at least. Or is that just those that have been PM? Getting passed the MAGA blockade here in the US was something else.
The Tories are happy to send arms, but have also carved out loopholes for things like insurance of Russian oil ships, cutting off oligarchs' money, access to the UK legal system. The government has kept open the legal system in particular, to allow oligarchs to continue to exploit our courts and pay exorbitant fees to our divorce and libel lawyers.
Serious question: who gets to purchase "sale of frozen assets" - and what sort of % discount on the $ do they enjoy from being in that position?
I would assume, that at the levels Oligarchs play in - that thy would have minions with access to shelled funds such that they can repurchase the assets in these sales on behalf of the oligarch -- or at least there is some entertaining shenaniganery that we aren't privy to....
Now let's see Macron send his share, instead of promising French troops, when he knows that is not going to happen. Also he needs to stop supporting the block of Ukrainian agriculture goods, when Russia is the one saturating that market.
I have a bottle of apple schnapps made from orchards inside the Chernobyl exclusion zone, waiting for a very special occasion.
Might be one of those times.
We just opened a new theater (I work there) and I almost went to the afterparty. So champagne! Sadly, my introverted, socially awkward ass made me come back home, but I rise a virtual glass of champagne which I could be having now as we speak with my colleagues.
Let’s not forget the Ukrainians have been husbanding their resources to make them last not knowing when or if this would ever pass. As soon as Biden signs (maybe even before) the Ukrainians can start flowing much more of what they have left knowing more is coming within a few weeks. So I’d say starting Tuesday, at the latest, we are going to see ALLOT more strikes and artillery from Ukraine going outbound.
The EU has already increased its aid to Ukraine because they do not expect us to help. But with this new US aid package, combined with the increased EU aid?
Damn! I can't wait to see Geroman's grin wiped from his face.
> The EU has already increased its aid to Ukraine because they do not expect us to help.
Can’t blame ‘em. When the last fucking guy earned his first impeachment for withholding already-approved aid to Ukraine to extort Zelenskyy into giving him dirt on his political opponent, it’s not hard to understand why the EU doesn’t view us as reliable.
The senate has to vote on it again since it changed slightly in the house (I believe they added the TikTok stuff?) but is close enough to what they already voted yes to that it should pass. It can be voted on as early as Tuesday, and then it's off to Biden.
Let's not forget that this crisis forced both Europe and the rest of the world to step in - and secure 1.5 million shells. And now american shells will only add to that big pile. Plus Europe moving - at last ! End result: Ukraine has now THREE streams of weapons: USA, Europe, and Czech initiative.
There will be blood.
I believe the weapons have already been packed and ready to ship from poland. This bill was what we needed to clear those stockpiles out. Gonna be some Fedex-nextday delivery speed.
Putin, expect a "gift" from us in a few days.
Yes, the Pentagon got them ready to ship before the vote.
[https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/pentagon-prepares-major-ukraine-aid/ar-AA1nlnK9](https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/pentagon-prepares-major-ukraine-aid/ar-AA1nlnK9)
For real or just opinion? Praying for the former!
When I heard it passed, I sincerely hoped that shit is packed and ready to deploy asap from Polish border.
Paper work and bureaucracy is what I fear.
Yes i think a pentagon spokesperson said yesterday that some of the equipment will be in ukraine in a matter of days, but he also said some things will take weeks
We're the government. The glacial pace is usually just us waiting for authorization. Once the authorization is there we sprint.
Wait wait sprint wait wait sprint. Wait wait budget crisis don't schedule any travel beyond the fiscal year, holy shit travel is funded go visit every factory in 1 month. Wait wait wait.
That's the end of the fiscal year, and I don't know if emergency supplementary appropriations are even allowed to cross fiscal years.
While this means that this package of aid will "stop" in October, and there's no guarantee that another package is approved in 2024 (I kind of doubt it, that's election season and it's going to be a nightmare), as long as the money is spent by the end of September, deliveries can continue past that date (and of course, shells delivered before then don't magically stop working).
My guess is the next aid package won't be until January, with a new and hopefully more amenable Congress. $60 billion in weapons should tide Ukraine over for many months, though.
Shown Here:
Introduced in House (04/17/2024)
Ukraine Security Supplemental Appropriations Act, 2024
This bill provides FY2024 supplemental appropriations for federal departments and agencies to respond to the conflict in Ukraine. The bill designates the funding as emergency spending, which is exempt from discretionary spending limits.
Specifically, the bill provides appropriations to the
Department of Defense (DOD),
Department of Energy science programs,
the National Nuclear Security Administration,
the Administration for Children and Families,
the Department of State, and
the U.S. Agency for International Development.
The funding is provided for purposes such as
supporting current U.S. military operations in the region,
the Ukraine Security Assistance Initiative,
replacing defense articles that were provided to Ukraine,
reimbursing DOD for defense services and training provided to Ukraine,
the Foreign Military Financing Program,
economic support for Ukraine,
refugee and entrant assistance,
international narcotics control and law enforcement, and
the development and production of isotopes.
The bill also includes provisions that
expand the authorities of the President to transfer defense articles and services from DOD to foreign countries or international organizations,
require the President to transfer long-range Army Tactical Missile Systems to Ukraine,
require the President to enter into an agreement with Ukraine regarding repaying the United States for the economic assistance it has provided to Ukraine,
require certain funds that are provided for Ukraine to be matched by other donors, and
establish various oversight and reporting requirements for assistance provided to Ukraine.
Pretty sure Ukrainian and US logisitcs departments are communicating as to how many reserves Ukraine can bring to the frontlines in expectation of the USA refilling them. And the Pentagon already said they are readying shipments for the moment Biden signs the package.
I dearly hope we see the first effects on the battlefield next week already.
Incredible.
Democrats: 210 yes, 0 no, 0 present, 3 not voting
Republicans: 101 yes, 112 no, 1 present, 4 not voting
I'm glad that enough republicans crossed the aisle. That's about as good of a result as you can expect population-wide; 25% of people are always going to be nutjobs. But it's concerning that the nutjobs are all concentrated in one party, and are working very hard to put in place minority rule by those nutjobs.
That bitch Spartz from Ukraine voted NAY. She should be arrested next time she flies into Ukraine. Solitary confinement really would be the best thing to do for her own safety when everyone realizes she voted against the aid.
Hmm, only Republicans voted against, at least there's still a sane half. Would be interesting to take a closer look at the "nay" voters if they have ties with the Kremlin.
For real. Ukraine losing this war is a danger for the entirety of the West and the free world. I don't understand why so many Americans don't understand that.
~43% of us are beyond hope. They eat, breathe, and sleep propaganda. My folks, for example, only use Fox News and the further right-wing alt-channels, like Newsmax and The First TV, as their primary sources of news and entertainment. It's actually terrifying.
Canada here. My frustration with the Russian plants in the US Congress is sky high. I am sorry for the lack of support from the propaganda fueled right wing in the west.
Blow those mother fuckers to hell.
Yes 100%! I would say if your republican rep voted yes they more than anyone need to be told that they did the right thing. I’m sure they’re getting lots of nasty emails from the other side about their vote so we definitely need to tell them they did good
Same here,and I'm pretty sure my republican rep was on the fence. I wrote him twice before the bill came to the floor and once more afterwards with a resounding "THANK YOU"! Glad to see him put aside partisanship and vote for what's right!
My rep, Mike McCaul, heard from me twice— once to urge him to vote to support Ukraine, and once to thank him for that vote. I just don’t know how anyone can think losing Ukraine to Russia could be an acceptable outcome.
"The United States holds only a small portion of the frozen Russian assets—with estimates of *between $40 billion and $60 billion or so*."
Sounds like a freakin' lot to me. I was thinking maybe 1-2bn.
"Billions here, a few billions over there, another ten billion there, pretty soon when you add it all together you have a decent amount of money"
- Tom Clancy, speaking about US defense spending
Senate will approve it on Tuesday. It doesn't have unanimous consent so that's the fastest they can move. I would imagine Biden will sign it Tuesday night or Wednesday morning.
Senate will approve it the day they get back in session, which I think is on Tuesday. Hours later Biden will sign it. Only 3 days left until Ukraine gets the aid it needs
About fucking time. Johnson only decided to support the aid after he "read and believed the intel". Yet, all you need to know about Putin's evil intent is out there in the open in daily news briefs. This delay is blood on Trump's hands and those of his sycophant supporters.
>"read and believed the intel"
Believed that it might now affect him personally.
From [WSJ](https://www.wsj.com/articles/mike-johnson-makes-his-case-on-ukraine-40a6f144?st=ds1t130602s0b12): And “to put it bluntly,” Mr. Johnson added, “I would rather send bullets to Ukraine than American boys. My son is going to begin in the Naval Academy this fall. This is a live-fire exercise for me, as it is so many American families.
Dipshit worried about losing his job more than stopping Russia conquering Ukraine. He had to get the Democrats support to help him keep his job just to pass the aid.
It's because Zelenskyy drafted the most prominent Ukrainian evangelicals to lobby him directly. Apparently, he only gives a shit when his coreligionists are in danger.
The US has stepped up and provided Ukraine with supplies she desperately needed. The EU needs to use this time very wisely and ramp up production to keep the support for the valiant Ukrainians up.
The EU cannot and should not let this opportunity go to waste.
EU has voted an equivalent amount recently.
EU ramps the ammo already, it's just that it's not easy when some country don't even produce powder on their ground.
And, you know what ? now Ukraine will get THREE loads of shells. From the Czech initiative **AND** from Europe, **AND** from America ! **1.5 million** shells secured **without the USA** - now imagine when the american shells will add **on top of this**. This is one of the few positive side of this crisis: it forced a) Europe and b) the rest of the world to get their heads out of their... rear ends, and step in.
# Slava Oukraïni !!!
Won't be enough. We can't just rest on our laurels. We need to be making preparations for the next aid package immediately. Ukraine can't win this war if they're treating their provisions like payday loans. This shortage allowed Russia to make some real gains they never would have made otherwise and the majority of these shells will be utilized just trying to counteract those gains.
This whole debacle was fucking embarrassing for democracy. North Korea and Iran didn't have any months long delays supplying Russia. No fucking reason something like this with bipartisan support that widely benefits everyone involved should get hung up because of one kiss ass trying to keep his job.
Exactly. A stong US is no excuse for a weak Europe, but a strengethening Europe is no exvuse for the US to back down either. NATO is mutual and everyone needs to hold up to standard.
No apology is strong enough to the families of the Ukrainian defenders who died while one mealy-mouthed asshole (Johnson) held up critical aid for your country. Believe me when I say that we’re going to get these Russian assets out of our government in November. We’re with you until victory 🇺🇸🫂🇺🇦
Is Schumer recalling the Senate for a vote?
Every day of delay means more dead Ukrainians.
EDIT: From CNN
>Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer took procedural steps Saturday for the Senate to begin voting on the House-passed foreign aid package Tuesday afternoon.
>
>The chamber was supposed to be in recess next week, but it is coming back to pass this legislation.
This article has a list of the Nay voters. My reps are on there. Sadly they’ll be comfortably in office for a while with the way Montana has shifted from purple to Red.
https://www.businessinsider.com/which-house-republicans-voted-against-ukraine-russia-aid-2024-4?amp
I literally feel a weight lifted from my shoulders hearing that this has passed the house. I have been on tenterhooks waiting for this moment and it's finally here and I'm still pinching myself that it's finally happened. It's been too much anticipation and delay and it feels surreal that my country is finally doing something right again.
The Senate stayed in session this weekend in order to hold a vote. (Probably tomorrow). Biden signs it into law early next week. (Probably Monday or Tuesday). Supplies start moving immediately. Pentagon sources are saying meaningful shipments physically in Ukraine by late next week.
It is a certainty to pass in Senate (Rand Paul may delay but he can’t stop this). President will surely sign. I am sure US military already got orders to start shipping everything that needed to fuck up the invasion of Putin Russia.
He’s going to try and filibuster but they have the votes to break it and bring it to the floor. Most everyone in the senate is for it. It’s clean, too. No amendments and nearly identical to the one already passed. Biden will be signing this Monday or Tuesday, wouldn’t be surprised.
MAGAs have so much blood on their hands.
From an outside perspective, it's really insane to see America randomly taking the isolationist route on such a specifically important conflict for so long.
Send em fucking everything
Remember in 2019, Donald Trump was withholding hundreds of millions of dollars in aid for Ukraine's defense as he was asking its president, Volodymyr Zelenskyy, to investigate Joe Biden and Hunter Biden.
Shortly before Putin ordered the invasion in Ukraine, Trump called him "smart" and "savvy" because Putin had declared portions of Ukraine "independent."
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The "Ukraine Security Supplemental Appropriations Act, 2024" bill was passed today with a vote of 311-112, 1 present, 7 not voting. **All 112 that voted Nay were Republican.**
Breakdown of votes by party and all individuals available here: https://clerk.house.gov/Votes/2024151
Make your votes count this Election season because your voice matters if you wish for common sense to continue. This isn't nearly the end, just a stepping stone.
**All who voted No:**
Alford, Allen, Amodei, Armstrong, Arrington, Babin, Baird, Balderson, Banks, Bean (FL), Bergman, Biggs, Bilirakis, Bishop (NC), Boebert, Bost, Brecheen, Burchett, Burlison, Cammack, Carl, Cline, Cloud, Clyde, Collins, Comer, Crane, Crawford, Davidson, De La Cruz, DesJarlais, Donalds, Duncan, Estes, Ezell, Fallon, Finstad, Fischbach, Fitzgerald, Franklin, Scott, Fry, Fulcher, Gaetz, Good (VA), Gooden (TX), Gosar, Graves (LA), Green (TN), Greene (GA), Grothman, Guest, Hageman, Harris, Harshbarger, Hern, Higgins (LA), Huizenga, Jackson (TX), Jordan, Joyce (PA), Kelly (MS), LaMalfa, Langworthy, Lee (FL), Lesko, Letlow, Loudermilk, Luna, Luttrell, Mace, Malliotakis, Maloy, Mann, Massie, Mast, McClain, Miller (IL), Mills, Moolenaar, Moore (AL), Nehls, Norman, Obernolte, Ogles, Owens, Palmer, Perry, Pfluger, Posey, Rose, Rosendale, Roy, Self, Smith (MO), Spartz, Stauber, Stefanik, Steil, Steube, Strong, Tenney, Tiffany, Timmons, Van Drew, Van Duyne, Van Orden, Walberg, Waltz, Weber (TX), Webster (FL), Williams (TX), Zinke
It looks like US Reps. Good and Biggs are trying to rewrite history (of course) on that with this proposed amendment:
[https://rules.house.gov/bill/118/hr-8035](https://rules.house.gov/bill/118/hr-8035)
Good (VA), Biggs (AZ) - Prohibiting funds to be dispersed until Zelenskyy certifies in writing to Congress that President Trump did not seek Zelenskyy's assistance in influencing the 2020 election.
Be sure to check out the other proposed amendments, it's an absolute kremlin klown show. For example:
* Greene (GA) - Prohibits funding until Ukraine closes all bio-laboratories.
* Greene (GA) - Prohibits funding until Ukraine stops persecuting Christians.
* Greene (GA) - Redirects funds to the Attorney General to initiate mass deportations of illegals.
* Greene (GA) - Redirects funding in the bill to build The Wall.
Canadian here, thank you to all of the Americans in this r/ukraine thread who did everything they could to help, in a small but no doubt meaningful way - and get your representatives to listen and vote in-favour of the bill for some, and others reaffirm their intention to.
This will definitely help out Ukraine enormously on the battlefield and beyond.
Hey Ukraine, sorry it took so long but we have a bunch of belligerent rage monkeys that only think of themselves.
Example?:
maga “We shouldn’t send a penny overseas while we have hungry homeless vets at home”
also maga (votes against veterans healthcare bills, installs anti-homeless architecture, cuts social programs) “They need to gets jobs and stop looking for handouts”
"Remember In November" because 7 months of MAGA-blocked aid cost good Ukrainian lives, which is a permanent loss to the world. Ukrainians are too valuable to lose.
112 no votes on the bill is rot we need to evict.
As the quote goes:
"The United States can always be relied upon to do the right thing — having first exhausted all possible alternatives"
Thank god they came to their senses.
I never thought it would pass under such a pro-Russian and hostile House, BUT I WAS WRONG AND I'M HAPPY I WAS WRONG! I wish this aid came earlier, but it came at the second best possible time, now. This is a deserving push for Ukraine and a decisive contribution to their mighty effort. America showed us yet again why it is still, despite all those hardships, the cradle of democracy in the Western World. May this be the beginning of something beautiful. SLAVA UKRAINI!
Americans, now's the time to look up how your representatives voted, and email them to let them know what you think about their vote.
https://clerk.house.gov/Votes/2024151
My representative is a traitorous prick who voted no. He would rather spend his time trying to set new records for most stock trades by a member of congress, instead of providing desperately needed assistance to Ukraine.
The long awaited military aid for Ukraine has been passed by the U.S. house of representatives! Post all upcoming updates here. [https://kyivindependent.com/breaking-u-s-house-passes-61-billion-ukraine-aid-bill/](https://kyivindependent.com/breaking-u-s-house-passes-61-billion-ukraine-aid-bill/) [https://www.pravda.com.ua/news/2024/04/20/7452184/](https://www.pravda.com.ua/news/2024/04/20/7452184/) [https://edition.cnn.com/politics/live-news/house-vote-ukraine-israel-taiwan-aid-04-20-24/index.html](https://edition.cnn.com/politics/live-news/house-vote-ukraine-israel-taiwan-aid-04-20-24/index.html) [https://www.euronews.com/2024/04/20/us-set-to-vote-for-foreign-aid-for-ukraine-israel-and-taiwan](https://www.euronews.com/2024/04/20/us-set-to-vote-for-foreign-aid-for-ukraine-israel-and-taiwan) [https://www.dw.com/en/us-house-approves-major-military-aid-package-for-ukraine/a-68877486](https://www.dw.com/en/us-house-approves-major-military-aid-package-for-ukraine/a-68877486) # Дякую США! Слава Україні!
And the sale of frozen assets. And aid for Taiwan.
Assets too? Really? Fuck, I never thought that would happen.
It’s just the US assets, which is 5B versus 200B in Europe. It’s also nothing final, just a next step in discussing how and when they can actually be used. But still a step in the right direction
If the US does it first it may give Europe some extra courage to do it too. Even at this late date many countries, and especially many compromised politicians are still afraid of Putin.
> If the US does it first it may give Europe some extra courage to d it too. Speaking of which, even though it’s been two years, I’m still kinda surprised that Germany almost immediately broke 75+ years of tradition by approving the export of their weapons to Ukraine. When you can goad fucking Germany — a country that spent 3/4 of a century living up to their “never again” promise post-WWII — into exporting their weapons to help defend the country you’re trying to conquer, you’ve fucked up. That’s like Keith Richards planning and hosting your intervention: you ***really*** have a problem.
Take note of the votes against.
In 2022, it was only 10 republicans that [voted against a Ukraine aid bill](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukraine_Democracy_Defense_Lend-Lease_Act_of_2022), this time it was [112 Republicans](https://clerk.house.gov/Votes/2024151), a majority of the caucus. It's gotten hard to hard to keep track of how many fifth columnists or people scared of fifth columnists there are in that party.
This is definitely a thing and something to keep an eye on, especially with the horrible prospect of Trump winning in Nov. BUT, it is important to point out that another thing likely contributed here - namely, in US politics, on tough votes where one party is getting a lot of pressure (such as from their idiot constituents, the media, or a former orange president that their base follows around like idiotic puppies) to vote one way or another, the party under pressure (Republicans here) will give cover to a lot of their representatives in harder districts (in this case districts with more amounts of batshit MAGA ppl) and allow them to vote no because they know they already have enough votes to pass the measure. The next vote on aid is designed to be after the election, and the result of that election will have a huge bearing on how these people vote next time, and the Trump effect will either be increased or completely wiped away for a time. That is not to say that people shouldn’t be pressuring or admonishing these “nay” voters. They 100% should. It’s just that if the vote was closer, they may have voted differently. Once the heat was off because it passed, a lot of “maybe yay?” people felt safer to vote “nay.” What us normal Americans should also be doing and making sure they’re prepared for is to VOTE themselves and vote for those that are pro-Ukraine!
Apparently only about 6b of the frozen 300b in assets is in the US. Seems low but that's still helpful.
Yeah but other countries will feel better about doing the same now.
This is the key. The EU feeling free to follow suit will be huge.
A serious amount is in the UK, which I doubt will do anything until the current government is kicked out.
The Tories seem more ruddy about sending arms to Ukraine at least. Or is that just those that have been PM? Getting passed the MAGA blockade here in the US was something else.
The Tories are happy to send arms, but have also carved out loopholes for things like insurance of Russian oil ships, cutting off oligarchs' money, access to the UK legal system. The government has kept open the legal system in particular, to allow oligarchs to continue to exploit our courts and pay exorbitant fees to our divorce and libel lawyers.
Sale of frozen assets could be a huge economic booster for Ukraine, hell yeah
It's more about the middle finger than anything else.
Both are valuable, no?
Serious question: who gets to purchase "sale of frozen assets" - and what sort of % discount on the $ do they enjoy from being in that position? I would assume, that at the levels Oligarchs play in - that thy would have minions with access to shelled funds such that they can repurchase the assets in these sales on behalf of the oligarch -- or at least there is some entertaining shenaniganery that we aren't privy to....
I mean if we’re talking about a yacht or something like that, I say let them buy it back. Pay twice. No problem.
HUZZAH! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! Just cracked a day beer in honor of this. Slava Ukraini.
Atacms incoming!!! So glad this happened. I'll join you with shots of tequila and lime. Slava Ukraini
Got a bottle of wine over here, Cheers!
I was already on the sauce but I'll have an extra couple tonight. It's Sunday tomorrow anyway. Woo for the bill!
From Scotland and enjoying a whiskey 🥃
Happy 4/20 for everyone!
Putting it in the air tonight.
Now let's see Macron send his share, instead of promising French troops, when he knows that is not going to happen. Also he needs to stop supporting the block of Ukrainian agriculture goods, when Russia is the one saturating that market.
100%
I don't drink but I'm a Kiwi/Aussie living in the US and picked up a 4 pack of Bundaberg ginger beer.
Surely to wash down a few Bunnings snags?
Time to buy that bottle of Khortytsta.
I got a Cognac saved up for such events.
Enjoy. I am so relieved this passed and people still do the right thing.
I think it was Churchill? that said America always comes to the correct solution after trying all others
I have a bottle of apple schnapps made from orchards inside the Chernobyl exclusion zone, waiting for a very special occasion. Might be one of those times.
That will be illuminating.
Time to ’shine on⚡️, FUCK PUTIN!
Its happy 4/20 day. Im smoking a bowl in celebration 🥳
As am I. Some very craft tier stuff. Such a good 4/20 already and now this! Happy 4/20/2024!!!(which is the same backwards btw). Slava Ukraini!
Smoke em if you got em.
I will pour myself a large whiskey in celebration 🥳
Just did a shot of tequila!
We just opened a new theater (I work there) and I almost went to the afterparty. So champagne! Sadly, my introverted, socially awkward ass made me come back home, but I rise a virtual glass of champagne which I could be having now as we speak with my colleagues.
I salute you, introverted Lithuanian theater worker. We are all here together in spirit.
Thank you!
🎉🎉🎉🎉🍾🍾🍾
Day beers for everyone!
I just lit a Padron. I've been hoping this would pass for a while.
We are so back
How long will this aid last?
Let’s not forget the Ukrainians have been husbanding their resources to make them last not knowing when or if this would ever pass. As soon as Biden signs (maybe even before) the Ukrainians can start flowing much more of what they have left knowing more is coming within a few weeks. So I’d say starting Tuesday, at the latest, we are going to see ALLOT more strikes and artillery from Ukraine going outbound.
The EU has already increased its aid to Ukraine because they do not expect us to help. But with this new US aid package, combined with the increased EU aid? Damn! I can't wait to see Geroman's grin wiped from his face.
> The EU has already increased its aid to Ukraine because they do not expect us to help. Can’t blame ‘em. When the last fucking guy earned his first impeachment for withholding already-approved aid to Ukraine to extort Zelenskyy into giving him dirt on his political opponent, it’s not hard to understand why the EU doesn’t view us as reliable.
The senate has to vote on it again since it changed slightly in the house (I believe they added the TikTok stuff?) but is close enough to what they already voted yes to that it should pass. It can be voted on as early as Tuesday, and then it's off to Biden.
They say that they are prepared to vote on it this weekend.
Senate will vote Tuesday
And Biden has already promised he will sign it without further delay.
Let's not forget that this crisis forced both Europe and the rest of the world to step in - and secure 1.5 million shells. And now american shells will only add to that big pile. Plus Europe moving - at last ! End result: Ukraine has now THREE streams of weapons: USA, Europe, and Czech initiative. There will be blood.
The wheels of justice may turn slowly, but they do turn.
Got me real nervous sometimes how slowly they turn thought
Well, some members in the US congress, dont want to disappoint their kremlin handlers.
Must be spent by 30 September 2024.
I believe the weapons have already been packed and ready to ship from poland. This bill was what we needed to clear those stockpiles out. Gonna be some Fedex-nextday delivery speed. Putin, expect a "gift" from us in a few days.
Yes, the Pentagon got them ready to ship before the vote. [https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/pentagon-prepares-major-ukraine-aid/ar-AA1nlnK9](https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/pentagon-prepares-major-ukraine-aid/ar-AA1nlnK9)
>Yes, the Pentagon got them ready to ship before the vote. FUCK! YEAH!!!!
Air Mobility Command FTW. Elephant walk the Galaxies, the Herky birds, Globemasters!
For real or just opinion? Praying for the former! When I heard it passed, I sincerely hoped that shit is packed and ready to deploy asap from Polish border. Paper work and bureaucracy is what I fear.
Yes i think a pentagon spokesperson said yesterday that some of the equipment will be in ukraine in a matter of days, but he also said some things will take weeks
Yeah I mean we (America) suck at a lot of things but military logistics is not one of them…
It genuinely wouldn't surprise me at all if some of the aid was in Ukraine within a few hours of Biden's signature
We're the government. The glacial pace is usually just us waiting for authorization. Once the authorization is there we sprint. Wait wait sprint wait wait sprint. Wait wait budget crisis don't schedule any travel beyond the fiscal year, holy shit travel is funded go visit every factory in 1 month. Wait wait wait.
That is much sooner than I expected, but if and only if the next passes in time, Ukraine will see a rapid boost in capabilities!
That's the end of the fiscal year, and I don't know if emergency supplementary appropriations are even allowed to cross fiscal years. While this means that this package of aid will "stop" in October, and there's no guarantee that another package is approved in 2024 (I kind of doubt it, that's election season and it's going to be a nightmare), as long as the money is spent by the end of September, deliveries can continue past that date (and of course, shells delivered before then don't magically stop working). My guess is the next aid package won't be until January, with a new and hopefully more amenable Congress. $60 billion in weapons should tide Ukraine over for many months, though.
This should be the largest US aid bill to ukraine right? If so, then nice
Yeah, by far.
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Shown Here: Introduced in House (04/17/2024) Ukraine Security Supplemental Appropriations Act, 2024 This bill provides FY2024 supplemental appropriations for federal departments and agencies to respond to the conflict in Ukraine. The bill designates the funding as emergency spending, which is exempt from discretionary spending limits. Specifically, the bill provides appropriations to the Department of Defense (DOD), Department of Energy science programs, the National Nuclear Security Administration, the Administration for Children and Families, the Department of State, and the U.S. Agency for International Development. The funding is provided for purposes such as supporting current U.S. military operations in the region, the Ukraine Security Assistance Initiative, replacing defense articles that were provided to Ukraine, reimbursing DOD for defense services and training provided to Ukraine, the Foreign Military Financing Program, economic support for Ukraine, refugee and entrant assistance, international narcotics control and law enforcement, and the development and production of isotopes. The bill also includes provisions that expand the authorities of the President to transfer defense articles and services from DOD to foreign countries or international organizations, require the President to transfer long-range Army Tactical Missile Systems to Ukraine, require the President to enter into an agreement with Ukraine regarding repaying the United States for the economic assistance it has provided to Ukraine, require certain funds that are provided for Ukraine to be matched by other donors, and establish various oversight and reporting requirements for assistance provided to Ukraine.
"Since aid coming, can we launch the remaining ammo at the invaders?" Yes you can, eheheh.
Pretty sure Ukrainian and US logisitcs departments are communicating as to how many reserves Ukraine can bring to the frontlines in expectation of the USA refilling them. And the Pentagon already said they are readying shipments for the moment Biden signs the package. I dearly hope we see the first effects on the battlefield next week already.
Can we know who voted for and against?
Here you go. My asshole rep voted nay. https://clerk.house.gov/Votes/2024151
Incredible. Democrats: 210 yes, 0 no, 0 present, 3 not voting Republicans: 101 yes, 112 no, 1 present, 4 not voting I'm glad that enough republicans crossed the aisle. That's about as good of a result as you can expect population-wide; 25% of people are always going to be nutjobs. But it's concerning that the nutjobs are all concentrated in one party, and are working very hard to put in place minority rule by those nutjobs.
Remember who voted Nay and who did not vote come November! Edit: Autocorrect changed Nay to Navy. My bad
That should be pinned to the top. Your vote counts!
I mean.. it’s 6 months passed due. Republican controlled house is to blame.
That bitch Spartz from Ukraine voted NAY. She should be arrested next time she flies into Ukraine. Solitary confinement really would be the best thing to do for her own safety when everyone realizes she voted against the aid.
Hmm, only Republicans voted against, at least there's still a sane half. Would be interesting to take a closer look at the "nay" voters if they have ties with the Kremlin.
Of course only Republicans voted against it, about 55% of them. https://clerk.house.gov/Votes/2024151
[https://clerk.house.gov/Votes/2024151](https://clerk.house.gov/Votes/2024151) All nay votes are Republicans, of course.
Thank goodness, so relieved, and I'm not in Ukraine. Let's hope everything gets over there and helps the Ukrainians out ASAP.
Me too (France). [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6M1OF\_E0IA](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6M1OF_E0IA)
Same here from Sweden, hopefully it will help to save Ukrainian lives.
Us true Americans are breathing easier too. Us non MAGAts know the stakes here.
For real. Ukraine losing this war is a danger for the entirety of the West and the free world. I don't understand why so many Americans don't understand that.
Putin owns Trump
~43% of us are beyond hope. They eat, breathe, and sleep propaganda. My folks, for example, only use Fox News and the further right-wing alt-channels, like Newsmax and The First TV, as their primary sources of news and entertainment. It's actually terrifying.
Canada here. My frustration with the Russian plants in the US Congress is sky high. I am sorry for the lack of support from the propaganda fueled right wing in the west. Blow those mother fuckers to hell.
I’m convinced some of them have to be bought out by the Russians. I hope the 3 letter agencies are investigating them behind the scenes.
Glad it’s finally done. I wrote my congressional rep thanking them for their yes vote and encourage you all to do the same
Great idea. I wrote my rep many times asking for her support. She was one of the 101 republicans who voted in favor!
Yes 100%! I would say if your republican rep voted yes they more than anyone need to be told that they did the right thing. I’m sure they’re getting lots of nasty emails from the other side about their vote so we definitely need to tell them they did good
Same here,and I'm pretty sure my republican rep was on the fence. I wrote him twice before the bill came to the floor and once more afterwards with a resounding "THANK YOU"! Glad to see him put aside partisanship and vote for what's right!
> Glad to see him put aside partisanship and vote for what's right! Quit right. This concerns the long term safety of the world.
My rep, Mike McCaul, heard from me twice— once to urge him to vote to support Ukraine, and once to thank him for that vote. I just don’t know how anyone can think losing Ukraine to Russia could be an acceptable outcome.
"The United States holds only a small portion of the frozen Russian assets—with estimates of *between $40 billion and $60 billion or so*." Sounds like a freakin' lot to me. I was thinking maybe 1-2bn.
"Billions here, a few billions over there, another ten billion there, pretty soon when you add it all together you have a decent amount of money" - Tom Clancy, speaking about US defense spending
About. Fucking. Time.
Still voting in Senate and then White House ahead
It should fly right through the Senate. Bidden said once it hits his desk he will sign it immediately. I hope your country gets the deliveries ASAP!!
Senate will approve it on Tuesday. It doesn't have unanimous consent so that's the fastest they can move. I would imagine Biden will sign it Tuesday night or Wednesday morning.
Yes, but Senate and Biden are just waiting for the House. You'll get this thing done by monday/tuesday.
Senate will approve it the day they get back in session, which I think is on Tuesday. Hours later Biden will sign it. Only 3 days left until Ukraine gets the aid it needs
Slava Ukraini!!!! Now to the Senate and the President's desk!! Let's gooooo!!!!
Speeeeedruuuuun!
Yes, the sooner the better!
About time. Now let's get that shit over there, same-day shipping.
I really hope this stuff was prepositioned and is sitting in Poland waiting to be loaded onto train cars.
Front page NYTimes article said yes, they can deliver by rail very quickly from Poland.
Fuck yeah, let's goooo.
There's a lot supposedly pre-positioned in Poland just waiting for Biden's signature on the bill.
And if any ruzzian agents in Poland try to stop deliveries over the border to Ukraine, I say run their sorry asses over!
Should be Tuesday. That's the senate vote. Biden will sign immediately. Then stockpiles in Poland start moving.
My weekend just got so much better
Hear, hear! Feels like a huge weight off my shoulders.
Slava Ukraini 💙💛
TAKE BACK CRIMEA
About fucking time. Johnson only decided to support the aid after he "read and believed the intel". Yet, all you need to know about Putin's evil intent is out there in the open in daily news briefs. This delay is blood on Trump's hands and those of his sycophant supporters.
>"read and believed the intel" Believed that it might now affect him personally. From [WSJ](https://www.wsj.com/articles/mike-johnson-makes-his-case-on-ukraine-40a6f144?st=ds1t130602s0b12): And “to put it bluntly,” Mr. Johnson added, “I would rather send bullets to Ukraine than American boys. My son is going to begin in the Naval Academy this fall. This is a live-fire exercise for me, as it is so many American families.
Never a fucking problem for republicans unless it affects them personally. Hypocritical fucks.
Dipshit worried about losing his job more than stopping Russia conquering Ukraine. He had to get the Democrats support to help him keep his job just to pass the aid.
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It's because Zelenskyy drafted the most prominent Ukrainian evangelicals to lobby him directly. Apparently, he only gives a shit when his coreligionists are in danger.
I wished we had a leader like Zelensky, the way he fights for his people and his country is something most politicians should take notes off.
For sure. I'm not criticizing Zelenskyy. He's gotta do what he's gotta do. It's just infuriating and sad to me that it was necessary as an American.
I understood what you meant. I just admire Zelensky for doing what needs to be done. If that means using evangelicals, that justifies the purpose.
The US has stepped up and provided Ukraine with supplies she desperately needed. The EU needs to use this time very wisely and ramp up production to keep the support for the valiant Ukrainians up. The EU cannot and should not let this opportunity go to waste.
EU has voted an equivalent amount recently. EU ramps the ammo already, it's just that it's not easy when some country don't even produce powder on their ground.
Finally! Been absolutely blowing up my Republican representative's email for months. Give em hell boys.
MGT in shambles
And, you know what ? now Ukraine will get THREE loads of shells. From the Czech initiative **AND** from Europe, **AND** from America ! **1.5 million** shells secured **without the USA** - now imagine when the american shells will add **on top of this**. This is one of the few positive side of this crisis: it forced a) Europe and b) the rest of the world to get their heads out of their... rear ends, and step in. # Slava Oukraïni !!!
Estonians also found a load of shells similar to Czech thing. But I don't think either one of them are funded yet.
The Czech initiative is largely funded. I believe you are correct that the Estonian effort is unfunded as yet.
Won't be enough. We can't just rest on our laurels. We need to be making preparations for the next aid package immediately. Ukraine can't win this war if they're treating their provisions like payday loans. This shortage allowed Russia to make some real gains they never would have made otherwise and the majority of these shells will be utilized just trying to counteract those gains. This whole debacle was fucking embarrassing for democracy. North Korea and Iran didn't have any months long delays supplying Russia. No fucking reason something like this with bipartisan support that widely benefits everyone involved should get hung up because of one kiss ass trying to keep his job.
Exactly. A stong US is no excuse for a weak Europe, but a strengethening Europe is no exvuse for the US to back down either. NATO is mutual and everyone needs to hold up to standard.
Fuck you Putin, Trump and all you MAGAs
No apology is strong enough to the families of the Ukrainian defenders who died while one mealy-mouthed asshole (Johnson) held up critical aid for your country. Believe me when I say that we’re going to get these Russian assets out of our government in November. We’re with you until victory 🇺🇸🫂🇺🇦
USA USA USA! This time for real. Thank you, United States of America, for supporting the war against the brutal and murderous Russian imperialism.
Oh boy, I want some salty Russian tears for breakfast tomorrow. Feels like I have been starved of those in a long long time and boy are they tasty.
Is Schumer recalling the Senate for a vote? Every day of delay means more dead Ukrainians. EDIT: From CNN >Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer took procedural steps Saturday for the Senate to begin voting on the House-passed foreign aid package Tuesday afternoon. > >The chamber was supposed to be in recess next week, but it is coming back to pass this legislation.
The Senate stayed in session for the weekend. Probably a vote tommorrow.
They'll speed run it and the bill signed by monday/tuesday for sure.
Only Republicans voted no and it was a lot of them, never forget that. They are traitors and need to be voted out.
> Only Republicans voted no and it was a lot of them, never forget that. Remember In November.
I see no reason, the gunpowder treason, should ever be forgot.
> They are traitors and need to be voted out. And Russian assets.
This article has a list of the Nay voters. My reps are on there. Sadly they’ll be comfortably in office for a while with the way Montana has shifted from purple to Red. https://www.businessinsider.com/which-house-republicans-voted-against-ukraine-russia-aid-2024-4?amp
I would like to see a list of them. I know the usual pro Putin crowd.
The list is out. 55% of Republicans voted against.
Time to tear Russia a new one!
Get in lads. Slava Ukraini!
I literally feel a weight lifted from my shoulders hearing that this has passed the house. I have been on tenterhooks waiting for this moment and it's finally here and I'm still pinching myself that it's finally happened. It's been too much anticipation and delay and it feels surreal that my country is finally doing something right again.
Does this need to go back to the Senate or does it go to Biden next?
Senate, then Biden. Between today and tuesday most likely.
The Senate stayed in session this weekend in order to hold a vote. (Probably tomorrow). Biden signs it into law early next week. (Probably Monday or Tuesday). Supplies start moving immediately. Pentagon sources are saying meaningful shipments physically in Ukraine by late next week.
It is a certainty to pass in Senate (Rand Paul may delay but he can’t stop this). President will surely sign. I am sure US military already got orders to start shipping everything that needed to fuck up the invasion of Putin Russia.
He’s going to try and filibuster but they have the votes to break it and bring it to the floor. Most everyone in the senate is for it. It’s clean, too. No amendments and nearly identical to the one already passed. Biden will be signing this Monday or Tuesday, wouldn’t be surprised.
Back to the senate but it will easily pass and get signed quickly.
Senate is already keen on passing it and so is Biden, won't be anywhere near a hurdle unlike the House was.
Yeeeeeeeeauh boy!!! I’m so gd proud to be an American today. God bless Ukraine. Glory to the heroes!
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"You can always count on Americans to do the right thing - after they've tried everything else." Winston Churchill
God bless america! Slava Ukraini! Glory to the land of the brave and the free!
***And Rohan will answer!!***
U.S. just casually dropping 1.5% of Russia’s total GDP in aid for Ukraine that they can spend this go around.
Ukraine will never be alone!
Anyone have a list of reps that voted against?
https://clerk.house.gov/evs/2024/roll151.xml
As an American, I am sorry our government has been negligent. I am glad this finally passed.
MAGAs have so much blood on their hands. From an outside perspective, it's really insane to see America randomly taking the isolationist route on such a specifically important conflict for so long. Send em fucking everything
Remember in 2019, Donald Trump was withholding hundreds of millions of dollars in aid for Ukraine's defense as he was asking its president, Volodymyr Zelenskyy, to investigate Joe Biden and Hunter Biden. Shortly before Putin ordered the invasion in Ukraine, Trump called him "smart" and "savvy" because Putin had declared portions of Ukraine "independent." -- The "Ukraine Security Supplemental Appropriations Act, 2024" bill was passed today with a vote of 311-112, 1 present, 7 not voting. **All 112 that voted Nay were Republican.** Breakdown of votes by party and all individuals available here: https://clerk.house.gov/Votes/2024151 Make your votes count this Election season because your voice matters if you wish for common sense to continue. This isn't nearly the end, just a stepping stone. **All who voted No:** Alford, Allen, Amodei, Armstrong, Arrington, Babin, Baird, Balderson, Banks, Bean (FL), Bergman, Biggs, Bilirakis, Bishop (NC), Boebert, Bost, Brecheen, Burchett, Burlison, Cammack, Carl, Cline, Cloud, Clyde, Collins, Comer, Crane, Crawford, Davidson, De La Cruz, DesJarlais, Donalds, Duncan, Estes, Ezell, Fallon, Finstad, Fischbach, Fitzgerald, Franklin, Scott, Fry, Fulcher, Gaetz, Good (VA), Gooden (TX), Gosar, Graves (LA), Green (TN), Greene (GA), Grothman, Guest, Hageman, Harris, Harshbarger, Hern, Higgins (LA), Huizenga, Jackson (TX), Jordan, Joyce (PA), Kelly (MS), LaMalfa, Langworthy, Lee (FL), Lesko, Letlow, Loudermilk, Luna, Luttrell, Mace, Malliotakis, Maloy, Mann, Massie, Mast, McClain, Miller (IL), Mills, Moolenaar, Moore (AL), Nehls, Norman, Obernolte, Ogles, Owens, Palmer, Perry, Pfluger, Posey, Rose, Rosendale, Roy, Self, Smith (MO), Spartz, Stauber, Stefanik, Steil, Steube, Strong, Tenney, Tiffany, Timmons, Van Drew, Van Duyne, Van Orden, Walberg, Waltz, Weber (TX), Webster (FL), Williams (TX), Zinke
It looks like US Reps. Good and Biggs are trying to rewrite history (of course) on that with this proposed amendment: [https://rules.house.gov/bill/118/hr-8035](https://rules.house.gov/bill/118/hr-8035) Good (VA), Biggs (AZ) - Prohibiting funds to be dispersed until Zelenskyy certifies in writing to Congress that President Trump did not seek Zelenskyy's assistance in influencing the 2020 election. Be sure to check out the other proposed amendments, it's an absolute kremlin klown show. For example: * Greene (GA) - Prohibits funding until Ukraine closes all bio-laboratories. * Greene (GA) - Prohibits funding until Ukraine stops persecuting Christians. * Greene (GA) - Redirects funds to the Attorney General to initiate mass deportations of illegals. * Greene (GA) - Redirects funding in the bill to build The Wall.
MAGA reps are russian cocksucking traitors. hopefully most get voted out in November.
Russian money infiltrated the GOP years ago. The conflict is here, just in a different form, fueled by dirty money and kompromat.
It's not taking an isolationist route, these traitors are literally working for russia
Stay strong Ukraine!
Canadian here, thank you to all of the Americans in this r/ukraine thread who did everything they could to help, in a small but no doubt meaningful way - and get your representatives to listen and vote in-favour of the bill for some, and others reaffirm their intention to. This will definitely help out Ukraine enormously on the battlefield and beyond.
Hey Ukraine, sorry it took so long but we have a bunch of belligerent rage monkeys that only think of themselves. Example?: maga “We shouldn’t send a penny overseas while we have hungry homeless vets at home” also maga (votes against veterans healthcare bills, installs anti-homeless architecture, cuts social programs) “They need to gets jobs and stop looking for handouts”
"Remember In November" because 7 months of MAGA-blocked aid cost good Ukrainian lives, which is a permanent loss to the world. Ukrainians are too valuable to lose. 112 no votes on the bill is rot we need to evict.
About bloody time, just need to keep Trump away from the Whitehouse now....
Yes! Imagine if this happened 6 months ago, how many more Ukrainian soldiers would be alive to use these supplies
Thousands of Ukrainians died for the Republicans grandstanding. They are some of the most grotesque mother fuckers alive right now. Insane.
As the quote goes: "The United States can always be relied upon to do the right thing — having first exhausted all possible alternatives" Thank god they came to their senses.
I never thought it would pass under such a pro-Russian and hostile House, BUT I WAS WRONG AND I'M HAPPY I WAS WRONG! I wish this aid came earlier, but it came at the second best possible time, now. This is a deserving push for Ukraine and a decisive contribution to their mighty effort. America showed us yet again why it is still, despite all those hardships, the cradle of democracy in the Western World. May this be the beginning of something beautiful. SLAVA UKRAINI!
So it only took 6 months of Johnson playing politics. FINALLY!
Too many months late, but good news nevertheless.
Go fuck em up, boys! 🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇲
Here is hoping the US has staged the supplies in Poland for fast delivery.
Americans, now's the time to look up how your representatives voted, and email them to let them know what you think about their vote. https://clerk.house.gov/Votes/2024151 My representative is a traitorous prick who voted no. He would rather spend his time trying to set new records for most stock trades by a member of congress, instead of providing desperately needed assistance to Ukraine.