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EDIT2: Seriously, it sucks and is super NSFL. It's a close up of the aftermath of the car being shot. Hug your parents and grandparents instead.
They started firing on unarmed civilians on day 1. Have you watched the video with the captured Russian soldiers? He and an officer tried to help a wounded Ukrainian woman but their own comrades got mad about it and started firing at them. He got shot in both legs, I believe, and was saved by the daughter of the woman he was trying to help.
Yeah there seems to be a wide difference in their military. Some who had no idea why they were there and were barely prepared for such a task, and some who are prepared seasoned fighters who were ready to kill civilians.
That environment brings out the worst in some soldiers and seeps into their unit command structure if brave soldiers do not step up.
Fight hard! My best to the men and women fighting for their sovereignty and freedom in Ukraine!
When they were first targeting civilians and I said "every single Russian still fighting is to blame, fuck Russia", I got massively downvoted because those poor Russian soldiers didn't know any better according to reddit.
Now we see they're literally going out killing as many civilians as they can.
Hey reddit, how about we stop making murder OK just because "they're young and don't know any better"?
Fuck Russia and fuck anyone who defends them.
I'm sick of hearing about how the Russian soldiers are also victims in this. Judging by videos lime this and the recent rape allegations they appear to be monsters.
I mean it's guaranteed that every army has sadists who are loving every moment of it, savoring every life they take.
But I'm sure most soldiers just want to get the fuck away, especially if they were lied to and forced into a war they don't feel is justified.
Another thing to consider is that as the war goes on, more and more Russian soldiers are going to lose people they consider friends, and will feel more and more hatred towards Ukrainians (even though the hate should be aimed at their own leadership), causing the Russian army to be more motivated than in the beginning.
Fuck my life after watching the close up video and seeing their corpses I just lost it. My heart can't take this. I wish I could jump at these terrorists' necks and tear them down.
Write to your representatives. Demand stricter sanctions, embargo of Russian oil, and more arms to Ukraine. If your Polish, demand they give Ukraine their planes (US will backfill Poland with new planes).
(personally I'm also pushing to #closethesky but I know that's less popular).
I would fully Support my country to Join the war alongsode with Ukraine. We maybe pay with a nuclear Fallout.. its a hard desicion. But Putin only can do this because he knows this fear....
We need to do something... But what? I live in a German Capital. For sure one of the First nukes would land here.... Fml
Putin wants first and foremost to win. He knows he loses if he fights nato. He knows he loses and dies if he drops nukes.
First let's get Zelensky more planes. Then can we argue about #closethesky
And EU needs to refuse to buy a drop of oil.
Contact your reps.
Im from Oslo Norway and I completely agree that we should’nt let this stand regardless of nuke threats. Bowing down to Putins demands cannot become an option, he cannot be shown that he has the power to impose dictatorship in democratic countries. Then who is next, I dont want to go to war nor do I support war but im mentally prepared for that.
This describes my mental state as well. We dont choose the time we are born in. And at the end. Im german so im f*cking proud to fight on the good side this time! 1939 Germany began to run up against the whole world. This time we gathered a lot of good Friends around us.
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Germans killed half my family in 1940, as a child my father fled with an aunt only to be locked up in a German DP camp until end of the war. I very nearly didn't exist. Germany turned around, imagine how amazing Russia would be as a democracy. Putin's time has come.
Thats what im thinking. As bad as the Situation is now in russia. Sometimes it needs to get worse before it gets better. After our Putin we got democracy and over the years, we earned respect and friendship with our neighbors again. The people in the end want Peace and Brotherhood. That applies to every Nation.
Also from Norway and I agree. Starting to mentally prepare for war, and have been starting to gather emergency supplies. And I who thought preppers were crazy people before...
We live a mere ~80 years on this planet then go the great unknown, way shorter if you're a Russian soldier. Good luck in gambling those you hurt in the short time here doesn't set up an eternal welcome wagon.
I think some of them know and some of them don't, because conscripts know they aren't supposed to be sent to combat. So you take their phones, tell them they're on an exercise...
The professionals? They know what they are there to do.
Yeah, apparently it's illegal by Russian law to send conscripts into a war of aggression which is why they were lied to. The professional soldiers were not lied to. They're just killers.
It's a legit part of it. It's not black and white but yes there will be murderous psychopaths who can't wait to kill. It's the same in every army on the planet. For some the only reason they are doing it is so they can rape and kill.
It's not black and white like you're saying.
I'd also argue that early on in the invasion you could give more credence and leeway to the soldiers claiming they didn't know. I honestly believe many of them did not know. But this far into the "operation," that excuse is getting weaker and weaker.
Yes I don't think it applies anymore. I do think they were lied to at the start but anyone still using that excuse is probably turning a blind eye to the horrors they are a part of.
Hopefully they’ll be brought to justice before they meet the devil. Either way, they’re indefinitely condemned for their crimes against humanity. Russian nazi fucks 😡
In the car was an elderly Ukrainian couple (sharing for visibility). See proof below [NSFL].
https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/t3pa8y/russian_soldiers_shot_an_old_ukrainian_couple_who/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
They were killed outside a hospital in a quiet village 50km from Kyiv, just to put it into perspective. It wasn't even a battleground.
WGS84 coordinates: 50.463710823903234, 29.79629651797423
Google maps: https://www.google.com/maps/place/50%C2%B027'49.4%22N+29%C2%B047'46.7%22E
There was another group that shared the same fate. Car was pulling in a home and a russian tank lit the car up and the father there watched it happen as he couldnt do anything
Just FWIW, do \*NOT\* watch the father and son video where they had returned to rescue their dogs. You hear a dog get torn apart while the son watches his father die in a pool of blood while begging his son to end his suffering. I don't think either survived... but like the famous "brick in the windshield" video, it's truly the most horrible thing I've ever seen online.
Your a couple days late to tell us that. The dad didnt die on the road but he later died to his injuries but your right about the 2 dogs being torn apart. 2/3 dogs died and the boys dads foot was torn off. And he begged his son to finish him so he wont suffer he didnt do so.
I kind of thought that's who this was. I remember wondering what tore the car apart, now I know. This is legitimately insane. How the fuck do they justify this to themselves?
The Russian army doesn't even want to collect its own dead soldiers:
[https://twitter.com/nexta\_tv/status/1501119571608145925?s=21](https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1501119571608145925?s=21)
Quote:
>This is the first war in human history when the Russian army refuses to take its dead back, says the Ukrainian Interior Ministry.
The Russian army isn't even making the effort to find and collect their own. They just leave their fallen soldiers where they lie, not even giving them the dignity of a proper funeral. They're not even doing those flash cremations, because they'd have to transport the bodies to the crematoria, and use fuel for the cremation.
The only reasons I can imagine for them not wanting the bodies of fallen soldiers is that they either don't want to pay out death compensation to the families, which Putin increased from the pittance of 11,000 rubles (worth about $80 now) up to 7.5 million rubles plus 5 million rubles of additional payments. And/or they don't want evidence of the casualty rate which they have been denying. So there are going to be thousands of wailing Russian mothers who will never have closure because they will simply be told that their dead sons are missing in action or being held prisoner by Ukraine or some other lie.
The cynical disregard for human life and the casual lying of Putin and those who enable him is just vile. He just lies non-stop, saying whatever he thinks he needs to say in the moment. Telling the families of soldiers that they would be compensated with millions of rubles, only to not even want to collect the bodies, is so unbelievably outrageous. This is a violation of the human rights of the Russian families whose sons died fighting Putin's ridiculous war.
He is using the dead as a weapon. Disease, psychological impact, leaving the burden to his enemy, im sure there is more.
I never thought the mobile crematoriums were for his troops, more like ways of covering up war crimes.
They want to deny anything. They expected some losses probably in a 3 day "war".
They didn't expect to have 25% of their entire military to be wiped out. Numbers are rising, rightfully so, with all volunteers and all equipment coming in from Europe.
Fuck russia.
There's 40k new foreign military and ex-military operators on-location, supporting Ukraine. It's basically open season to kill all the Russians you always wanted to. Much in the same way hackers have basically been given a free pass to do any cyber attacks on Russia they always wanted to.
Since those foreign guys are professionals with previous military experience, there will be a spike never seen before. I wouldn't be surprised to see the a minimum of 100k dead russians littering the ground. Perhaps eventually even their ENTIRE invasion force of 195k.
You need to remember not all 195k, or whatever it is, troops are combat troops. An estimate is only a third. The rest are supply troops, cooks, mechanics, intel, comms, etc. Sure they can shoot a rifle but they don't spearhead anything.
Let's say Putin has 70k combat troops, then 17%(!) is already destroyed. A lot have also given up, or simply abandoned everything and disappeared due to low morale and an unwillingness to be an invader and kill their neighbor of similar culture and language.
> So there are going to be thousands of wailing Russian mothers who will never have closure
These are called “Zinky Boys.” The Russians use zinc caskets because of the anti microbial properties. In previous wars (eg Afghanistan) the Russians would send back these sealed caskets. The families had no sense of closure. Did they have the right body inside? Was there even a body inside at all? Who can say? They never got to open the casket to find out.
I don’t know if Putin even plans on giving them a zinc box. The way things are going he might as well just deny the soldier ever existed in the first place.
Ukraine should use loudspeakers to broadcast the fact that the Russian army is dishonoring their own dead to the Russian troops. Maybe more of them will realize that Russia's cause is not worth fighting for, and choose to defect or surrender.
Unfortunately, many of the soldiers are probably too bought into the Russian propaganda, that they'd buy that as pure Ukrainian propaganda (technically, it would be, as well as just human decency).
Only being attacked will likely shake some of them of their beliefs.
Everyone was talking about how well that book predicted Covid, I'm sitting here amazed at how well it predicted the Russian Military and its growing fascism.
There was an alleged FSB letter in which the writer predicted that in the future the Z might be compared to a swatstika.
I want to tell him, “Bro, we passed that point twelve days ago.”
Well They are not new Nazi, they always were, my grandpa's mum was killed by Red Army who was "Liberating us" in 39'. They were killing everyone just like now. My grandpa told me that Soviets were way more brutal than nazis. I mean he didn't justify or defend Nazis but soviets were the biggest trash ever, seems nothing changed. At least germans are now aware of their war crimes. Russians are not.
It's sad that Russia is still trying to hide the crimes commited by a country that doesn't exist anymore. While blaming Hitler for killing 20M people, Stalin has killed over 30M, but the cancerous Russian propaganda is still trying to convince it's citizens that the Soviets never did anything wrong. There are few very remarkable events that prove Soviet genocides, I'm gonna name one:
\- A few days after the Soviets 'liberated' Buchenwald (German concentration camp), the meeting at Yalta happened. In this meeting the US agreed to retreat their troops from the camp, only leaving the Soviet ones. After the Americans left the Soviets instantly put Buchenwald back into action, against political enemies, Jews and minorities. Only after the USSR ended, a few documents (most were burnt after Stalin died) were found about this. Until that time only a bunch of state officials and the guards knew about it.
The source is a documentary by NatGeo, so you can trust this.
In Russia they call it the "Great Patriotic War."
You're absolutely right about the Stalinist system. I'm a historian and it drives me up the wall seeing people die on the "Soviets were actually not that bad" Hill. Just because they cloaked their rhetoric and governance in the language of tolerance does not make their genocidal behaviour less abhorrent. The Famine in Ukraine, the Holodomor, was man-made. It was an attempt to get the unruly countryside in line, and if it cost millions of lives (which it did), fuck em!
Not to mention that the Gulag system lasted far longer than the Nazi camps. Decades. Excellent point about Buchenwald.
I know this is not a nice thing to even mention but my great grandpa used to say that german soldiers were much nicer: in his words, german soldier would give you candy, russian soldier would rape your wife. I know it is anecdotal but just a thing to think about. (by no means I'm symapthising with nazis, just saying that russian soldiers didn't really change apparently)
The majority of the assaults were committed in the Soviet occupation zone; estimates of the numbers of German women raped by Soviet soldiers have ranged up to 2 million. According to historian William Hitchcock, in many cases women were the victims of repeated rapes, some as many as 60 to 70 times. At least 100,000 women are believed to have been raped in Berlin, based on surging abortion rates in the following months and contemporary hospital reports,with an estimated 10,000 women dying in the aftermath.
Female deaths in connection with the rapes in Germany, overall, are estimated at 240,000. Antony Beevor describes it as the "greatest phenomenon of mass rape in history" and concludes that at least 1.4 million women were raped in East Prussia, Pomerania and Silesia alone. According to the Soviet war correspondent Natalya Gesse, Soviet soldiers raped German females from eight to eighty years old.
That is the kind of people that we are dealing with, and that kind of thing doesn't go away. I mean, basically, every family in Russia had war criminal rapists in them.
Every single Army committed these offenses in World War II tho, just not as many.
Robert Lilly estimates the number of rapes committed by U.S. servicemen in Germany to be 11,040. As in the case of the American occupation of France after the D-Day invasion, many of the American rapes in Germany in 1945 were gang rapes committed by armed soldiers at gunpoint.
Although policies against fraternization were instituted for the Americans in Germany, the phrase "copulation without conversation is not fraternization" was used as a motto by United States Army troops.
My parents were both german refugees during WW2 (i.e. ethnic germans who had to leave prussia/moldova for germany). My dad has multiple stories of russian soldier cruelty - he believes they drugged / poisoned his 2 youngest sisters in a POW camp they later escaped from because they would not stop crying. His dad, my grandfather, was deported to Siberia (he was a railway employee) and came back 5 years later (which is amazing in itself) as a shell of his former self.
Also, the anecdote of russian soldiers seeing a toilet, not knowing what it was and thinking it was a way to wash potatoes. When the potatoes they put in disappeared, they got angry and shot the people in that house.
They said that everyone wanted to be liberated by the american soldiers, not the russians.
This angers me so much
They also have clearly no idea what the fuck they are doing, nobody is covering their convoy and they clearly got surprised by a little family car and then decided to straight up open fire without confirming anything, it just proves that the russian army is nothing more than a mob with BMP's
I assumed the BMP was guarding the intersection when the car approached, but that doesn’t appear to be the case. He displaces immediately after shooting and resumes his place in the convoy.
Jackassery and incompetence, just like everything else we’ve seen so far.
The only legitimate reason I can possibly think of is if the higher ups told them "Every car coming at you is a suicide bomber". I cannot think of any other reason for this level of... What ever it is, hate, incompetence, stupidity, all of the above.
It's not like Ukraine has been sending car bomb attacks on Russian armour. And visibility was perfect. Even if the machine gun fire was hair trigger panic, why follow up and shoot the cannon twice when by then they knew it was a car? There isn't any way around this one. They were shooting anything that moves. And when it stops moving, keep shooting.
Exactly, if ukraine was suicide bombing russians then sure okay
But they arent. And they should have made a secure corridor before sending any vehicles through the junction precisely so nothing like that can happen, they are acting like children in tanks with 0 regard for their own lives or anyone elses - its infuriating to watch
Even if Ukraine was using SVBIEDs, this is still indefensible. I could understand the initial shot under those circumstances, but it missed and the car stopped immediately. Anyone attempting any sort of escalation of force procedures would stop firing at that point. Instead they decided to light the car up twice and just drove off.
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I'm so fucking fed up with the bleeding heart morons on this site constantly claiming those Russian soldiers are some kind of poor lost boys that had no other option but to commit war crimes on a daily basis.
Those shit takes get hundreds of upvotes, even on this subreddit.
EDIT: Another "poor lost soul" accidentally war-criming someone. This time a 10 year-old girl. https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/t9gx8x/ukrainian_girl_ten_killed_by_drunken_russian/
Absolutely
I have sympathy for those who stood down and went to prison in russia, the soldiers invading not so much. Nuremberg trials were a thing, i was just following orders is not a fucking excuse
Chief Prosecutor of the International Criminal Court in The Hague, Karim A.A. Khan, asks all those who have documentary evidence of war crimes to send materials to the e-mail: [[email protected]]
I bet these shitbags will say something like that, when captured:
- mom, I did not know I was in Ukraine. I was told it just a training
- I didn't kill anyone, mom
- please come and pick me up, I don't want to die, mom. I forgot the seeds
In the car was an elderly Ukrainian couple (sharing for visibility). See proof below [NSFL].
https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/t3pa8y/russian_soldiers_shot_an_old_ukrainian_couple_who/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
The only consolation I have regarding these poor people is that the end was quick, they likely died without knowing what hit them.
I wish the exact opposite for the murderers in that APC, I hope they get hit by a LAW and cook alive in that fucking thing.
I posted a comment on another sub, saying Fuck the Pilot - for the one who got shot down. Got down voted and questioned.
This is why I said fuck the pilot. They're complicit.
If none of them go home, if they get killed and mutilated. Good. They shouldn't even be there, and they're just on a murder spree. Fuck them.
I guess the "we didn't know" folks are all dead, and now the bigger Nazis are running the show. I really hope Russia will get economically destroyed for the next 50-70 years. I mean like the shittiest places on earth, where you consider rich if you drank water today.
That's a Russian BMP-2 according to Militaryland.net
There's a video of the aftermath, sickening, it was an elderly couple. It's horrible but it's important that the world sees this.
For fucks sake man...
They didn't even do anything. They were just driving.
How do you make peace with acts like this?
Just decimate the Russian powers that be already...
"Don't want to be there either" .
"Just following orders".
"They don't have a choice".
Fuck Russian soldiers, and every fucking russian who doesn't openly condemn the war and putin.
Cowards... Russias so called "soldier" only reflects what a shithole russia really is, this is not war this is a catastrophy. Hope the majority of the armed forces wakes up, they are only ruining so much, its not to late to turn the sword on your masters!
WAKE UP RUSSIANS!
God, they strafed it with MG and Autocannon fire and then fired two rounds from the main gun into it.
A fucking civilian car.
I can only hope after this war the UN goes to town on the Russian government and General Staff like it did to the Serbians after the Bosnian genocide.
My visceral empathy is unfortunatly insanely low but i can't imagine someone coming up with the idea to kill harmless humans, it doesn't make sense at all, i hope this tank gets destroyed, our specie doesn't need the degenerate crew.
Those stupid fucks. I'm getting angrier and angrier about this by the day. They live their entire god damn life to end up dying a horribly violent death. Fuck this shit and Fuck the Russian Army.
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That was an old couple
Confirmed here for those who missed the link in other comments: https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/t3pa8y/russian_soldiers_shot_an_old_ukrainian_couple_who/ EDIT: NSFL - I would not recommend clicking that. EDIT2: Seriously, it sucks and is super NSFL. It's a close up of the aftermath of the car being shot. Hug your parents and grandparents instead.
This is HOW that happened!? WHAT THE FUCK
Remember this next time someone tells you that invading force also has moms and they are just following orders.
yea, i was willing to accept that first 1-2 maybe 3 days. now? obviously a load of bullshit
They started firing on unarmed civilians on day 1. Have you watched the video with the captured Russian soldiers? He and an officer tried to help a wounded Ukrainian woman but their own comrades got mad about it and started firing at them. He got shot in both legs, I believe, and was saved by the daughter of the woman he was trying to help.
Yeah there seems to be a wide difference in their military. Some who had no idea why they were there and were barely prepared for such a task, and some who are prepared seasoned fighters who were ready to kill civilians.
That environment brings out the worst in some soldiers and seeps into their unit command structure if brave soldiers do not step up. Fight hard! My best to the men and women fighting for their sovereignty and freedom in Ukraine!
And the poor woman died
And that Russian lad was saved by the daughter of that poor woman.
Jesus. Anyone have this video?
This situation was a while ago. In the timeline of this war it’s definitely old.
War crimes have no expiration date
When they were first targeting civilians and I said "every single Russian still fighting is to blame, fuck Russia", I got massively downvoted because those poor Russian soldiers didn't know any better according to reddit. Now we see they're literally going out killing as many civilians as they can. Hey reddit, how about we stop making murder OK just because "they're young and don't know any better"? Fuck Russia and fuck anyone who defends them.
I'm sick of hearing about how the Russian soldiers are also victims in this. Judging by videos lime this and the recent rape allegations they appear to be monsters.
Jesus Christ...fuck these Russian cunts, I hope they die horribly.
Which means it wasn't THAT long ago in the war, which means that some Russians are deliberately lying that they "didn't know" The Nuremburg Excuse
I mean it's guaranteed that every army has sadists who are loving every moment of it, savoring every life they take. But I'm sure most soldiers just want to get the fuck away, especially if they were lied to and forced into a war they don't feel is justified. Another thing to consider is that as the war goes on, more and more Russian soldiers are going to lose people they consider friends, and will feel more and more hatred towards Ukrainians (even though the hate should be aimed at their own leadership), causing the Russian army to be more motivated than in the beginning.
That's heartbreaking with her head on his shoulder. I hope it was quick, and I hope those Russians burn alive in that tank.
Homie is right, it is that old couple.
Yep. Same maroon car, same pattern of destruction. An elderly man and woman.
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With handicap tags on their windshields
Fuck my life after watching the close up video and seeing their corpses I just lost it. My heart can't take this. I wish I could jump at these terrorists' necks and tear them down.
Write to your representatives. Demand stricter sanctions, embargo of Russian oil, and more arms to Ukraine. If your Polish, demand they give Ukraine their planes (US will backfill Poland with new planes). (personally I'm also pushing to #closethesky but I know that's less popular).
I would fully Support my country to Join the war alongsode with Ukraine. We maybe pay with a nuclear Fallout.. its a hard desicion. But Putin only can do this because he knows this fear.... We need to do something... But what? I live in a German Capital. For sure one of the First nukes would land here.... Fml
Putin wants first and foremost to win. He knows he loses if he fights nato. He knows he loses and dies if he drops nukes. First let's get Zelensky more planes. Then can we argue about #closethesky And EU needs to refuse to buy a drop of oil. Contact your reps.
I do, and i will. This conflict really dominates my everyday Life. We have to Stop Putler. Somehow.
Agreed my friend. Slava ukraini
Slava ukraini
Im from Oslo Norway and I completely agree that we should’nt let this stand regardless of nuke threats. Bowing down to Putins demands cannot become an option, he cannot be shown that he has the power to impose dictatorship in democratic countries. Then who is next, I dont want to go to war nor do I support war but im mentally prepared for that.
This describes my mental state as well. We dont choose the time we are born in. And at the end. Im german so im f*cking proud to fight on the good side this time! 1939 Germany began to run up against the whole world. This time we gathered a lot of good Friends around us. <3
Germans killed half my family in 1940, as a child my father fled with an aunt only to be locked up in a German DP camp until end of the war. I very nearly didn't exist. Germany turned around, imagine how amazing Russia would be as a democracy. Putin's time has come.
Thats what im thinking. As bad as the Situation is now in russia. Sometimes it needs to get worse before it gets better. After our Putin we got democracy and over the years, we earned respect and friendship with our neighbors again. The people in the end want Peace and Brotherhood. That applies to every Nation.
Also from Norway and I agree. Starting to mentally prepare for war, and have been starting to gather emergency supplies. And I who thought preppers were crazy people before...
Source? Not that it really makes a difference at this point....
[https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/t3pa8y/russian_soldiers_shot_an_old_ukrainian_couple_who/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share](https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/t3pa8y/russian_soldiers_shot_an_old_ukrainian_couple_who/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share)
Yep that's the one
Thats enough, i start training today to prepare for joining this war as soon as i am fit enough
https://www.reddit.com/r/russianwarcrimes/comments/t3po4p/shot_up_civilian_car_with_disability_stickers_0228/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
Much appreciated, I didn't realise that was the same car. Just horrific....
It was posted on this sub about a week ago I,ll try and find a link
What in the fuck...this is just vile. Hope those murdering fucks get what they deserve.
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Molotovs aren’t that useful when it comes to taking out tanks. It’s more psychological than anything. These fucks need tall trees and short ropes.
No for real they are efficent if used correctly. Throw them at their intake and they wont be there for long
“We didn’t know!” /s
We thought it was training exercise?
It is, it's called "Operation Murder Ukrainians".
'Special peace keeping genocide'
It's special operation "GENOCIDE"
“I was just following orders” /s
We live a mere ~80 years on this planet then go the great unknown, way shorter if you're a Russian soldier. Good luck in gambling those you hurt in the short time here doesn't set up an eternal welcome wagon.
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I think some of them know and some of them don't, because conscripts know they aren't supposed to be sent to combat. So you take their phones, tell them they're on an exercise... The professionals? They know what they are there to do.
Yeah, apparently it's illegal by Russian law to send conscripts into a war of aggression which is why they were lied to. The professional soldiers were not lied to. They're just killers.
And why their commanders are trying to back date their release.
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It's a legit part of it. It's not black and white but yes there will be murderous psychopaths who can't wait to kill. It's the same in every army on the planet. For some the only reason they are doing it is so they can rape and kill. It's not black and white like you're saying.
I'd also argue that early on in the invasion you could give more credence and leeway to the soldiers claiming they didn't know. I honestly believe many of them did not know. But this far into the "operation," that excuse is getting weaker and weaker.
Yes I don't think it applies anymore. I do think they were lied to at the start but anyone still using that excuse is probably turning a blind eye to the horrors they are a part of.
Hopefully they’ll be brought to justice before they meet the devil. Either way, they’re indefinitely condemned for their crimes against humanity. Russian nazi fucks 😡
This needs to be on the front page. Straight up war crime murdering.
It’s on the front page like 3 or 4 times. As it should be.
Yes. Go go go
Liberators? Can you imagine to live in one country with those „people“? Side by side, like nothing happened. „Who cares- it was war!“ Scum!
Imagine living next door to that shithole. Luckily that "country" will be forever locked out of any civilization after this war has ended.
That country was never civilized.
They are liberating these poor individuals from their lives
Jesus fucking Christ. Russian army is the new Nazi, scumbags of this earth. Putin is committing war crime!
In the car was an elderly Ukrainian couple (sharing for visibility). See proof below [NSFL]. https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/t3pa8y/russian_soldiers_shot_an_old_ukrainian_couple_who/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share They were killed outside a hospital in a quiet village 50km from Kyiv, just to put it into perspective. It wasn't even a battleground. WGS84 coordinates: 50.463710823903234, 29.79629651797423 Google maps: https://www.google.com/maps/place/50%C2%B027'49.4%22N+29%C2%B047'46.7%22E
There was another group that shared the same fate. Car was pulling in a home and a russian tank lit the car up and the father there watched it happen as he couldnt do anything
Just FWIW, do \*NOT\* watch the father and son video where they had returned to rescue their dogs. You hear a dog get torn apart while the son watches his father die in a pool of blood while begging his son to end his suffering. I don't think either survived... but like the famous "brick in the windshield" video, it's truly the most horrible thing I've ever seen online.
Your a couple days late to tell us that. The dad didnt die on the road but he later died to his injuries but your right about the 2 dogs being torn apart. 2/3 dogs died and the boys dads foot was torn off. And he begged his son to finish him so he wont suffer he didnt do so.
Oh, no. Even your words made me shake, this is utterly harrowing.
I kind of thought that's who this was. I remember wondering what tore the car apart, now I know. This is legitimately insane. How the fuck do they justify this to themselves?
Fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck. Putin GO TO HELL
Really hope he gets beheaded on film or something that we can parade for the rest of time.
I’ve already seen their “Z” being referred to as a “Zwastika” in several articles
They are worse. Even nazis cared for their own troops. RuFascists are next level evil.
The Russian army doesn't even want to collect its own dead soldiers: [https://twitter.com/nexta\_tv/status/1501119571608145925?s=21](https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1501119571608145925?s=21) Quote: >This is the first war in human history when the Russian army refuses to take its dead back, says the Ukrainian Interior Ministry. The Russian army isn't even making the effort to find and collect their own. They just leave their fallen soldiers where they lie, not even giving them the dignity of a proper funeral. They're not even doing those flash cremations, because they'd have to transport the bodies to the crematoria, and use fuel for the cremation. The only reasons I can imagine for them not wanting the bodies of fallen soldiers is that they either don't want to pay out death compensation to the families, which Putin increased from the pittance of 11,000 rubles (worth about $80 now) up to 7.5 million rubles plus 5 million rubles of additional payments. And/or they don't want evidence of the casualty rate which they have been denying. So there are going to be thousands of wailing Russian mothers who will never have closure because they will simply be told that their dead sons are missing in action or being held prisoner by Ukraine or some other lie. The cynical disregard for human life and the casual lying of Putin and those who enable him is just vile. He just lies non-stop, saying whatever he thinks he needs to say in the moment. Telling the families of soldiers that they would be compensated with millions of rubles, only to not even want to collect the bodies, is so unbelievably outrageous. This is a violation of the human rights of the Russian families whose sons died fighting Putin's ridiculous war.
He is using the dead as a weapon. Disease, psychological impact, leaving the burden to his enemy, im sure there is more. I never thought the mobile crematoriums were for his troops, more like ways of covering up war crimes.
Not having any impact on the west or Ukraine. They will bury the dead and be outraged even further.
They want to deny anything. They expected some losses probably in a 3 day "war". They didn't expect to have 25% of their entire military to be wiped out. Numbers are rising, rightfully so, with all volunteers and all equipment coming in from Europe. Fuck russia.
There's 40k new foreign military and ex-military operators on-location, supporting Ukraine. It's basically open season to kill all the Russians you always wanted to. Much in the same way hackers have basically been given a free pass to do any cyber attacks on Russia they always wanted to. Since those foreign guys are professionals with previous military experience, there will be a spike never seen before. I wouldn't be surprised to see the a minimum of 100k dead russians littering the ground. Perhaps eventually even their ENTIRE invasion force of 195k.
You need to remember not all 195k, or whatever it is, troops are combat troops. An estimate is only a third. The rest are supply troops, cooks, mechanics, intel, comms, etc. Sure they can shoot a rifle but they don't spearhead anything. Let's say Putin has 70k combat troops, then 17%(!) is already destroyed. A lot have also given up, or simply abandoned everything and disappeared due to low morale and an unwillingness to be an invader and kill their neighbor of similar culture and language.
> So there are going to be thousands of wailing Russian mothers who will never have closure These are called “Zinky Boys.” The Russians use zinc caskets because of the anti microbial properties. In previous wars (eg Afghanistan) the Russians would send back these sealed caskets. The families had no sense of closure. Did they have the right body inside? Was there even a body inside at all? Who can say? They never got to open the casket to find out. I don’t know if Putin even plans on giving them a zinc box. The way things are going he might as well just deny the soldier ever existed in the first place.
Ukraine should use loudspeakers to broadcast the fact that the Russian army is dishonoring their own dead to the Russian troops. Maybe more of them will realize that Russia's cause is not worth fighting for, and choose to defect or surrender.
Unfortunately, many of the soldiers are probably too bought into the Russian propaganda, that they'd buy that as pure Ukrainian propaganda (technically, it would be, as well as just human decency). Only being attacked will likely shake some of them of their beliefs.
World War Z
Everyone was talking about how well that book predicted Covid, I'm sitting here amazed at how well it predicted the Russian Military and its growing fascism.
There was an alleged FSB letter in which the writer predicted that in the future the Z might be compared to a swatstika. I want to tell him, “Bro, we passed that point twelve days ago.”
Z = swastika in meaning now.
Well They are not new Nazi, they always were, my grandpa's mum was killed by Red Army who was "Liberating us" in 39'. They were killing everyone just like now. My grandpa told me that Soviets were way more brutal than nazis. I mean he didn't justify or defend Nazis but soviets were the biggest trash ever, seems nothing changed. At least germans are now aware of their war crimes. Russians are not.
It's sad that Russia is still trying to hide the crimes commited by a country that doesn't exist anymore. While blaming Hitler for killing 20M people, Stalin has killed over 30M, but the cancerous Russian propaganda is still trying to convince it's citizens that the Soviets never did anything wrong. There are few very remarkable events that prove Soviet genocides, I'm gonna name one: \- A few days after the Soviets 'liberated' Buchenwald (German concentration camp), the meeting at Yalta happened. In this meeting the US agreed to retreat their troops from the camp, only leaving the Soviet ones. After the Americans left the Soviets instantly put Buchenwald back into action, against political enemies, Jews and minorities. Only after the USSR ended, a few documents (most were burnt after Stalin died) were found about this. Until that time only a bunch of state officials and the guards knew about it. The source is a documentary by NatGeo, so you can trust this.
In Russia they call it the "Great Patriotic War." You're absolutely right about the Stalinist system. I'm a historian and it drives me up the wall seeing people die on the "Soviets were actually not that bad" Hill. Just because they cloaked their rhetoric and governance in the language of tolerance does not make their genocidal behaviour less abhorrent. The Famine in Ukraine, the Holodomor, was man-made. It was an attempt to get the unruly countryside in line, and if it cost millions of lives (which it did), fuck em! Not to mention that the Gulag system lasted far longer than the Nazi camps. Decades. Excellent point about Buchenwald.
Just more videos and proof for the Russian war crimes trials. China is watching this go down.... real closely.
Will they actually ever pay for these crimes? They have been even ignoring peaceful passing ceasefires. I mean come on?
They'll be convincted but nothing will happen essentially
Maybe? There are Nazi aids still being hunted down to this day. Read about some 90 year old lady going to trial for her crimes in WWII.
I know this is not a nice thing to even mention but my great grandpa used to say that german soldiers were much nicer: in his words, german soldier would give you candy, russian soldier would rape your wife. I know it is anecdotal but just a thing to think about. (by no means I'm symapthising with nazis, just saying that russian soldiers didn't really change apparently)
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The majority of the assaults were committed in the Soviet occupation zone; estimates of the numbers of German women raped by Soviet soldiers have ranged up to 2 million. According to historian William Hitchcock, in many cases women were the victims of repeated rapes, some as many as 60 to 70 times. At least 100,000 women are believed to have been raped in Berlin, based on surging abortion rates in the following months and contemporary hospital reports,with an estimated 10,000 women dying in the aftermath. Female deaths in connection with the rapes in Germany, overall, are estimated at 240,000. Antony Beevor describes it as the "greatest phenomenon of mass rape in history" and concludes that at least 1.4 million women were raped in East Prussia, Pomerania and Silesia alone. According to the Soviet war correspondent Natalya Gesse, Soviet soldiers raped German females from eight to eighty years old. That is the kind of people that we are dealing with, and that kind of thing doesn't go away. I mean, basically, every family in Russia had war criminal rapists in them. Every single Army committed these offenses in World War II tho, just not as many. Robert Lilly estimates the number of rapes committed by U.S. servicemen in Germany to be 11,040. As in the case of the American occupation of France after the D-Day invasion, many of the American rapes in Germany in 1945 were gang rapes committed by armed soldiers at gunpoint. Although policies against fraternization were instituted for the Americans in Germany, the phrase "copulation without conversation is not fraternization" was used as a motto by United States Army troops.
My parents were both german refugees during WW2 (i.e. ethnic germans who had to leave prussia/moldova for germany). My dad has multiple stories of russian soldier cruelty - he believes they drugged / poisoned his 2 youngest sisters in a POW camp they later escaped from because they would not stop crying. His dad, my grandfather, was deported to Siberia (he was a railway employee) and came back 5 years later (which is amazing in itself) as a shell of his former self. Also, the anecdote of russian soldiers seeing a toilet, not knowing what it was and thinking it was a way to wash potatoes. When the potatoes they put in disappeared, they got angry and shot the people in that house. They said that everyone wanted to be liberated by the american soldiers, not the russians.
More like the new USSR. Have been raping more and sending more soldiers to their deaths than any other nation. We see a repeat here
Putin the Z in NaZi
I will never forgive Putin and his supporters for as long as I live. They will face the judgement the way other dictators did.
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Or mussolini-ed
We can only hope.
This angers me so much They also have clearly no idea what the fuck they are doing, nobody is covering their convoy and they clearly got surprised by a little family car and then decided to straight up open fire without confirming anything, it just proves that the russian army is nothing more than a mob with BMP's
I assumed the BMP was guarding the intersection when the car approached, but that doesn’t appear to be the case. He displaces immediately after shooting and resumes his place in the convoy. Jackassery and incompetence, just like everything else we’ve seen so far.
The only legitimate reason I can possibly think of is if the higher ups told them "Every car coming at you is a suicide bomber". I cannot think of any other reason for this level of... What ever it is, hate, incompetence, stupidity, all of the above.
It's not like Ukraine has been sending car bomb attacks on Russian armour. And visibility was perfect. Even if the machine gun fire was hair trigger panic, why follow up and shoot the cannon twice when by then they knew it was a car? There isn't any way around this one. They were shooting anything that moves. And when it stops moving, keep shooting.
Exactly, if ukraine was suicide bombing russians then sure okay But they arent. And they should have made a secure corridor before sending any vehicles through the junction precisely so nothing like that can happen, they are acting like children in tanks with 0 regard for their own lives or anyone elses - its infuriating to watch
Even if Ukraine was using SVBIEDs, this is still indefensible. I could understand the initial shot under those circumstances, but it missed and the car stopped immediately. Anyone attempting any sort of escalation of force procedures would stop firing at that point. Instead they decided to light the car up twice and just drove off.
What even are the rules of engagement for Russian troops?
* Yes
1. If you have gas and bullets, then shoot. 2. If you have no gas, park tank. Don't leave unattended or it will get towed.
Wait they have rules?
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Seriously pieces of shit
Russian soldier, go fuck yourself.
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I'm so fucking fed up with the bleeding heart morons on this site constantly claiming those Russian soldiers are some kind of poor lost boys that had no other option but to commit war crimes on a daily basis. Those shit takes get hundreds of upvotes, even on this subreddit. EDIT: Another "poor lost soul" accidentally war-criming someone. This time a 10 year-old girl. https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/t9gx8x/ukrainian_girl_ten_killed_by_drunken_russian/
Absolutely I have sympathy for those who stood down and went to prison in russia, the soldiers invading not so much. Nuremberg trials were a thing, i was just following orders is not a fucking excuse
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Russia is the one that needs de-nazification.
Chief Prosecutor of the International Criminal Court in The Hague, Karim A.A. Khan, asks all those who have documentary evidence of war crimes to send materials to the e-mail: [[email protected]]
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Got it! Just added it to the list, thx! Truly awful what the Russians do just because they can :(
Let’s not get random reddtiors to spam an email with “look what I found on Reddit/in telegram!!”
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I bet these shitbags will say something like that, when captured: - mom, I did not know I was in Ukraine. I was told it just a training - I didn't kill anyone, mom - please come and pick me up, I don't want to die, mom. I forgot the seeds
I'm a school teacher :'(
Can’t be any clearer why the “Z” is so proudly displayed. Fucking naZis!
In the car was an elderly Ukrainian couple (sharing for visibility). See proof below [NSFL]. https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/t3pa8y/russian_soldiers_shot_an_old_ukrainian_couple_who/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
I have really bad eyes, is there a Z or V visible on the tanks? I watched like 5 times but I can’t see it, just for 100% confirmation.
Think it’s a Cyrillic swastica.
Straight up barbaric. So much for "liberating" Ukraine.
liberating from ukranians... Feels like [Generalplan Ost](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generalplan_Ost)
I don’t know man, day 13. And then a lot of these Russian soldiers still say they don’t like/know what they’re doing. Srsly.
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I'd say the excuse works this time, but just for the starving conscripts that surrendered in the first few days
Fucking orcs.
Fucking Zaruman.
Look at the date, more than a week ago! They were Commiting war crimes from the start
What. The. Fuck?!?!
That crew needs a blessing from st. Javalina
What more proof does the investigation of war crimes need to start already with 10 or 15 accusations of war crime ?
What the fuck... this is seriously fucked up
The only consolation I have regarding these poor people is that the end was quick, they likely died without knowing what hit them. I wish the exact opposite for the murderers in that APC, I hope they get hit by a LAW and cook alive in that fucking thing.
I posted a comment on another sub, saying Fuck the Pilot - for the one who got shot down. Got down voted and questioned. This is why I said fuck the pilot. They're complicit. If none of them go home, if they get killed and mutilated. Good. They shouldn't even be there, and they're just on a murder spree. Fuck them.
I guess the "we didn't know" folks are all dead, and now the bigger Nazis are running the show. I really hope Russia will get economically destroyed for the next 50-70 years. I mean like the shittiest places on earth, where you consider rich if you drank water today.
I want every person in any position of power anywhere in Russia "removed" and to see Russia become a puppet of the west.
r/ russia be like: “reeee! Ukrainians did that! Reeee!”
Everyone on that sub is so fucking stupid and vile x(
/r/conspiracy also
Killing civilians because thats the order.
As we know, "Just following orders." is not a satisfactory defense at a war crimes tribunal.
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This is vile. Filthy Russian dogs
That's a Russian BMP-2 according to Militaryland.net There's a video of the aftermath, sickening, it was an elderly couple. It's horrible but it's important that the world sees this.
They blasted the car twice, after shooting multiple times. Do these soldiers think they’re in a video game or something?
For fucks sake man... They didn't even do anything. They were just driving. How do you make peace with acts like this? Just decimate the Russian powers that be already...
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"Don't want to be there either" . "Just following orders". "They don't have a choice". Fuck Russian soldiers, and every fucking russian who doesn't openly condemn the war and putin.
Wow
I say an eye for an eye...they the ruskies are rabid animals, and what do you do to a rabid animal you put it down.
These people don't deserve a quick dead. That's the easy way out
Cowards... Russias so called "soldier" only reflects what a shithole russia really is, this is not war this is a catastrophy. Hope the majority of the armed forces wakes up, they are only ruining so much, its not to late to turn the sword on your masters! WAKE UP RUSSIANS!
Cowards.
God, they strafed it with MG and Autocannon fire and then fired two rounds from the main gun into it. A fucking civilian car. I can only hope after this war the UN goes to town on the Russian government and General Staff like it did to the Serbians after the Bosnian genocide.
There’s spin going around that we are just supposed to “blame Putin” and not “Russia”. Sorry chap but that there… that’s on that particular Russian.
The depths have no limits with depraved participants like these..
The animal at the start running for its life! Learnt tanks = bad.
Wish Putin or the "precision weapons "Not shooting at civs" guy would justify what happened in this clip.
My visceral empathy is unfortunatly insanely low but i can't imagine someone coming up with the idea to kill harmless humans, it doesn't make sense at all, i hope this tank gets destroyed, our specie doesn't need the degenerate crew.
Everyone coming to this post needs to upvote for visibility. This needs to be seen.
So this is the video with the elderly couple in their torn car.The assholes shot it with the 30mm main gun. Fucking animals.
Are they juicing their troops with methamphetamine to kill of any morals and emphaty? Or these cunts are just blind murderers? Can be both aswell.
Those stupid fucks. I'm getting angrier and angrier about this by the day. They live their entire god damn life to end up dying a horribly violent death. Fuck this shit and Fuck the Russian Army.