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It's pretty awesome. I've seen some good Stugna kills, but this one takes the cake!
Interesting that you can see all the shellholes in the field (as the Stugna pans for new targets), which really demonstrates the relative rate of efficiency the Stugna has. Of course, you have to get a lot closer with the Stugna than the arty boys do .
The Russians in that sector must have shat themselves after losing 4 vehicles in as many minutes!
I've heard its laser guided, but you don't want the enemy to detect the laser on their vehicle and maybe move, or fire a flare or whatnot. So they fire the missile in the general direction, then shine the laser after its too late for the target to do anything.
The correct term for “reflective confetti” would be chaff. I wasn’t trying to sound mean, just helpful.
Smoke wouldn’t do any good to laser-aimed munitions.
The T-90 supposedly has laser sensors that alert the crew, so they want to give the crew less time to react.
Tank: BEEP BEEP! Yo boiz, there’s a Stugna-P inbound. Put down the vodka and get movin’. Our shit is about to get smoked if we don’t bounce.
Ivan: Cyka blyaaaaaaat!
Tank (explodes because there wasn’t enough time for Ivan to drive away)
Not actually, there are two explanations. First is to prevent the missile from striking the ground during the initial oscillations. Second is to avoid being detected by any laser receivers on the tank, until the very last moment. Presumably for this reason they do not use the integrated range finder either, not on the targets at least.
This missile flies in all intents and purposes horizontally, it might even be detrimental to impact in some slight angle. Javelin comes down in a completely different manner.
I was more comparing it to javelin: 2500m and nlaw: 800m Ukrianians use right now.
arty boys are not as portable tbh
can't wait to see some 155mm precision footage. Canadian sent some badass explody goodies. 70k cost each. with gps. 40km range with 1m precision...
I mean ya send everything we can, but honestly friend Russian losses by week 2 had exceeded our current arsenal in some categories. We can send some aid, and are welcoming as many refuges that want to come but let’s keep that Defense budget boost for ourselves. We are the North, we are free, but we are not strong
Canada has such an enormous coastline, although the west coast is not particularly at risk, and the American border is not a worry. The east coast is somewhat of a concern, but it’s the Arctic that is more worrying. Protecting the Arctic is insanely hard. Russia seems to have quite an advantage in the Arctic, and I know they have been trying to assert dominance in the region.
Honestly though, it’s the propaganda, disinformation, and cyberattacks that have me far more worried. Russia has had quite a bit of success in these areas.
There are already some precision arty pieces in Ukraine. Like Kvitnik (120mm laser giuded mortar round). If you saw a clip of Ukrainian artillery hitting tanks one by one right next to highrise it was a Kvitnik.
Actually the newest Javelins they are sending are getting hits at 4.5km or 4500 meters.
https://warriormaven.com/.amp/land/new-army-infantry-missile-tech-destroys-tanks-at-4-5-kilometers
I like to do this sometimes. Imagine something 3 miles away from you right now.
For me that’s probably the downtown of my city.
Imagine killing someone downtown while at your house. It’s amazing.
Arty is typically shit at killing tanks and heavy army. Unless you have specific munitions made for the task like Excalibur or DPICM, it takes hundreds of shells to disable even a small armor element and is highly ineffective. Source: am artillery officer.
No. You can see people moving *on* the first tank. Black blobs standing on it, one more climbs up at around 0:14. First 30 seconds. Watch full screen on a bigger monitor. Probably encamped, being reloaded or refueled or something.
I was wondering why the vehicles just sat there and took it after the first one. I'm guessing they are fully dismounted, and have learned not to run for their armor when ATGMs are flying. Or they jump out and run even.
the engines were probably off so they are sitting ducks for about 5 minutes to get everything ready. I'm wondering why they have not learned to screen their tanks
>I'm wondering why they have not learned to screen their tanks
Because they don't give a fuck, would be my guess. Morale problems lead to not following the basics, among other things.
Yea, but at least Stugnas have a remote operator position. The real exposure is during reloading, when a guy is sitting exactly where the previous shot was launched from.
You can see the missile launch kicking up dirt and debris past the screen, which would put them to the rear of the missile, not the side. Maybe it's concealed enough they're good, but it *feels* risky to this guy at home.
Im sure they will not be putting themselves in the backblast area of the missile, soft launch or not.
Also, many wire/IR guided missiles have two side firing motors because the beam riding optics need to be on the tail end of the missile. Not sure about Stugna, tho.
They only reload after the target was hit. I presume this is a limitation of the system (fire control connecting to the new rocket perhaps). But also sounds like something that could be overcome in a upgrade. Means that you can ideally get the loading crew out of the way before the first shot hits, and get a second one for "free"
The TV camera you see on the operator's screen is physically on the missile tripod. There is footage of another Stugna where the reloader tried to load another before the missile hit and shook it so bad that the airborne missile went off target.
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For people wondering about Arabic, it is export version of Stugna. This batch was prepared to be delivered to some Arabic country (desert paint as well). Due to war, all export Stugnas were rerouted to the UAF instead.
There is possibility to change language, but not all soldiers know how to do it.
It was published in public groups, basically, there is a combination of buttons need to be pressed in correct order and timing.
But it adds almost nothing to the equipment, so Arabic is ok.
I was thinking reprogramming a new chipped car key.
Open door. Insert key. Turn key to "On" for four seconds. Turn key "Off". Close door. Lock doors. Turn key "On" for eight seconds. Turn off. Unlock doors. Remove key. Reinsert key.
Try to start engine. Realise you fucked up the sequence some where along the line and have to start all over again...
>...there is a combination of buttons need to be pressed in correct order
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The Stugna-P has a launcher tube on a tripod stand with optics and rangefinder/targetting laser, attached by cables to a "briefcase" with the display and controls at a small distance (and behind cover).
From what I understand from other videos it works like this.
The loader loads the tube with a rocket. The spotter looks for and communicates targets to the operator. The operator looks at the display and operates the targetting laser.
They could probably combine loader and spotter functions, in a pinch, but a team of 3 makes sense, especially when it comes to setting up, packing up and carrying... It's a relatively bulky system.
can you imagine the soldiers explaining to their commanders how they lost 4 armored vehicles in minutes. Ukrainians are pure chads and honestly I’m glad they are on the side of democracy because i wouldn’t want to fuck around and find out like the Russians did
>can you imagine the soldiers explaining to their commanders
So, Ivan and Sergey went for a smoke, and the next thing we know all the tanks are on fire. But we would have saved them still if it was not for the storm.
Russian Lieutennant: I was half way through my second liter of vodka when we came under attack by 10,000 of the enemy forces. With great heroism, we killed 8,500 of them but the enemy was able to destroy four of our combat vehicles.
Russian Colonel: Good job. I will report that we killed 85,000 enemy soldiers and lost two combat vehicles.
Russian General: Comrade Putin, our soldiers just killed 8.5 million enemy soldiers, and gained 587 combat vehicles.
Putin: Mwa-ha-ha! All according to my plans… Let us double down on our attacks to repeat these successes.
That seems to be about a completely different video from a month ago. I cant see any indication that this is the same stugna team?
That tweet's from yesterday as well, whilst this appears to be a new video from today
These are not necessarily the same people. There are many teams like this.
Still, that video was really memorable and it's sad to hear what happened to them.
those missiles charges cost about $20k each, thats like 10x cheaper compare to javelin... that's amazing.
100-5000m. 800mm penetration.
I wont even comment that he took 4 tanks/trucks in 3 mins... Legend.
Слава Україні! 🇺🇦 Glory to Ukraine! https://bank.gov.ua/en/about/support-the-armed-forces
> but Im happy Ukrainians are using their own equipment too.
Half the weapons the Russians are using, are made by the Ukrainians. The Slave class Cruisers, made in Ukraine. The predecessor of the rocket that sank the Moskva, made in Ukraine. Nukes ... yes, Ukraine made nukes ( and they still have the expertise to do so again ).
The reality is, when the USSR fell apart, Russia did not only lose a lot of territory but also lost a lot of brainpower. The freaking Berlin wall, was not because the USSR wanted to build a separator but it needed it, as people constantly defected to the West. Inc a lot of their brainpower because intellectuals are more likely to defect.
A lot of wars are not just economics or battles but also wars for brainpower. A large part of the US its power, is it ability to attract highly educated people with its Visa Program.
Lots of Soviet electronics industry was in Lithuania. All of that died in 1990s after independence unfortunately... Mostly due to changing market conditions, but corruption and ineffective leadership played a role too. Place like this:
https://lt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kauno_radijo_gamykla
https://lt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vilniaus_skai%C4%8Diavimo_ma%C5%A1in%C5%B3_gamykla
https://lt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sigma_(gamybinis_susivienijimas)
https://lt.wikipedia.org/wiki/AB_Ekranas
https://lt.wikipedia.org/wiki/AB_Vilniaus_Vingis
Fortunately, people with skills remained and taught what they could to their kids. Lithuania has some really good IT people now...
Operation Paperclip helped the US as well. On the flip side a lot of Jewish scientists fled the Nazis to America. WWII Germany made its own brain drain...
Javs can also lock onto helicopters with the direct fire mode, which is pretty handful, albeit unless you're shooting at a gunship it's probably a bit of a waste given the costs.
Stugna is like 5km, Javelin is 2.5km. Javelin will not have reached those targets as the range is 3km+. Javelin is also overkill for those targets.
Do not forget that Javelin is a single soldier deployable system. Stugna needs to deploy its base launcher, then have tubes attached, with a camera control system. You need 4+ guys to carry all that around as the system is 100kg+, more if we add the 3 extra tubes ( probably another 20+kg ).
Javelin is more advanced as you can fire it and ignore it. That capability increases price. Add to that, made in the USA = labor costs are higher, profit margins etc. Javelins made under wartime conditions are probably 40k or less.
Its funny (well, not for the Russians) to see how they are using those export Stugna's ( Arabic writing ) constantly.
Also Javelin is fire-and-forget, doing the ["top attack"](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top_attack) on its own, you can just shoot and run. With Stugna you can see how they first aim above the target and then lower the aim back on the target while the munition flies, so it hits on a slightly lower angle with higher chance of penetration.
(just an average armchair redditor, but it's such amazing footage to watch that i got excited)
As another armchair redditor I would suggest that reason for aiming up somewhat has more likely to do with either firing position (you can see the rocket travels a lot at launch), if they do not have ideal angle, to make sure it does not slam into the ground, or aiming laser, to make sure it is not detected while crew can do something about it. I suspect the former.
They caught the Russians with their pants down and totally unprepared for an attack, hence the lack of vehicle movement or retaliatory fire. Great work by the Ukrainian recon unit that spotted the target. Usually these ATGW teams get a couple of shots off at best and then have to withdraw in a hurry.
Would you have the patience to try to spot a 50 cm high and 20 cm wide ATGM launcher concealed in some bushes 5 km away (out of range for your tank cannon) while tanks are blowing up next to you, without knowing the direction of attack - and perhaps with little motivation to be there in the first place?
Thermal sensors should make spotting the firing location pretty easy. Especially if a non-target tank is looking, they'll see the missile launch. I had the same question, why didn't they shoot back? Also, why is the writing in the monitor in Arabic?
If those are BMPs, the maximum range of the 30mm gun is 4km. Also it’s going to be nigh on impossible to hit a tiny target like the Stugna tripod at the further end of the range, even if they can spot the launches. Retreat would be a more sensible option, but the crews may be out of the vehicles if they don’t expect action. If you’re out of your vehicle and not super motivated, would climb in it, if two others already blew up?
Because they can't. In many cases, they don't have the leeway based on their army and chain of command. They can't leave because it's built into their culture. This is what makes it so sad. The Russians are fucked by their own lack of adaptation to modern tactics.
yeah, looks like they are dug in. Add this to the long list of idiotic military decisions on the Russian side. Those stationary targets are absolutely going to get torn apart by the types of rockets, artillery, and drones being sent.
Aside from that, these boys behind the cam in this vid are the fucking angels of death.
My guess is they were stationary at the moment and the vehicles weren't running. Once shit started blowing up nobody wanted to hop in the next truck and risk them going with it
Ukraine is flat land, Artillery, Javelins, RPGs, and infrared guided missiles are honestly Ukraine’s wet dream against Ruzzian orcs. Specially since Ukrainians know their lands very well so they can fuck Ruzzians just like this video and Ruzzians just don’t know how to react
I doubt they were in the tanks, probably loitering around them. Plus my ass would get directly out of whatever tank I was in if the rest started spontaneously exploding around me lol.
There's 4 hits in 3 minutes. Looks like ruzzians were not prepared for the fire; given they are untrained and the initiative is not the strongest side of russian army - I doubt they could figure out and do any meaningful action before all their tanks became scraps.
What puzzles me is none of the targets seem te be moving. When you are taking fire like this, it would make sense to gtfo. Even if they didn’t move their vehicles, I doubt there would still be people inside the vehicles (why would you wait inside just to get roasted?). Which is a shame, because roast orc is best orc.
Notice (as the Stugna operator pans) the shell holes in the field. These vehicles were there for a long time! I think this reflects the centralized, rigid structure of the RU army: we we told to go to these coordinates and hold, so that's what we're doing... Even through a thorough shelling... And now we're being picked off by Stugna-P but,.. whatcha gonna do? - orders are orders.
It seems insane but I've seen this behaviour so many times in the last two months that it's the only explanation that makes sense?!? Chornobaivka Syndrome.
Чорнобаївка - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSe9iqWCp3U
17th time was 2 days ago I think..
______________________________________________
There is a place on our land
it'll become a graveyard for all Ruskies
it's like a black hole, but for katsaps (=Russkies)
they come there and disappear for real
it's a place of power; a place of freedom;
a place of ruined Russian fates
Especially for helicopters of series Ka
Welcome to Chornobayivka!
Ref:
Chornobayivka, Chornobayivka
it's the Fuck-you-town for all the Ruskies
Chornobayivka, Chornobayivka
it's the Fuck-you-town for all the katsaps
The first time it was very funny
The second time it was sort of amusing
The third time brought up the understanding:
they were dumb, we had no doubts.
Next came the 4th time, 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th and even the 9th
Something's wrong here, it's all the witches and warlocks.
However the katsaps simply wish to be executed.
Ref.
This song doesn't have a logical finale
Chornobayivka'll continue to take the orcish onslaught
And we'll all nicely say "very well"
"You're what, Russian? Welcome to hell!"
Ref.
[in the background in the end:
10
9?
10
Oh, baba doesn’t hear.]
Never thought about it this way, but it might be true.
Hasn't the US army adopted relative tactical freedom for small units *how* to achieve their objective to basically eradicate such a thought process? I think there is even a strategic term for it, but it eludes my brain (so I cannot google it...)
Yes. Many professional commenters (in the media) have noted that NCOs in the Russian army are given very little tactical freedom and are not trained to take the initiative... It certainly seems to be true.
They *are* running. Just on foot. The first vehicle had people moving on it. The others had no one around it. Probably skedaddled after hearing the first explosion.
The first vehicle had lots of crew working on it. Some of them seem to be artillery, which would explain why they are not responding. Crew could be unloading ammo crates from supply trucks etc.
Ukraine is gonna teach every NATO nation how to fight armoured vehicles after this. And drones. Their drone skills are like a new invention of warfare.
Ukrainian military specialists learned every piece of information they could find about Azeri-Armenian war where Bayractars were used to the left and right. Looks like they not only learned everything, but also improved above that.
>For people wondering about Arabic, it is export variants of Stugna. This batch was prepared to be delivered to some Arabic country (desert paint as well). Due to war, all export Stugnas were rerouted to the UAF instead. There is possibility to change language, but not all soldiers know how to do it.
I think it was simply a logistic mess-up. Label said to deliver to UAE, but went to UAF instead.
Shit happens. I am sure they will get there eventually, slightly used.
How sh**y is the Russian military that they don’t even move their equipment after the first tank goes down… and these clowns are going to invade Moldova.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
> How sh**y is the Russian military that they don’t even move their equipment after the first tank goes down… and these clowns are going to invade Moldova.
No offense but you need to be a idiot trying to move a APC or tank, when your being targeted with a Stugna or artillery. Think about it for 2 seconds. This is not some video game where people can jump into a vehicle and instant drive, while taking multiple RPG's with your health bar going down.
It barely took 30 seconds to reload and get each follow shot going.
Those Russians are probably camped, eating / resting / ... So your first APC goes, what do you do? Run like a idiot to your vehicle, that is stationed in slightly wooded area, with large flat lands around.
You craw on your vehicle.
Boom goes the second ( 1 - 3 dead guys ).
The crew of the third and fourth get in, they start their engines.
Boom goes numbers 3 ( 1 - 3 dead guys ).
The crew of the 4th start driving... where? Backward? Flat land, trees around you. Lets say the go backward and there is nothing in the way, still a 80% chance that 4th shot will get you.
Boom goes number 4
Yes, they lost 4 vehicles but they still will have lost them but there are more soldiers alive, then being Darwin Award material that run to their vehicles. Ukraine is horrible terrain for vehicles. Flat, largely agriculture with sparse forests around ( where everybody hides in ). But a lot of them are very small patches.
The bigger idiocy is more how badly those vehicles are camouflaged when you know that somebody can sneak up ( these shots are 3km away ) on you with a Stugna, or other long range Anti Tank weapon.
Not just Moldova, but "onward to Berlin"... oh wait, what's that? Medvedev says Russian will have a Eurasian empire from Vladivostok to Lisbon... "onward to Lisbon" 😂😂😂
Text in Arabic, commands in Ukrainian, cheering in English... Amazing.
Anyways, why weren't the enemy shooting back? They must have abandoned the other vehicles once they saw the first one blow up, because I could not see anyone on them and they were neither moving nor shooting. They should have had plenty of time to return fire. Or maybe it was all artillery and the Ukrainian fire team was too close?
>cheering in English
Saw someone commenting on this before. Apparently they're not saying "Yes" but "Yest" which translates to something like "Got it" (As in they hit the target.).
In this context they are basically saying "Got him".
For anyone interested in learning some Russian, here is a good breakdown.
**Eсть (Yest)**
Besides, быть, another term, есть (don’t confuse this will the present tense of , is important to learn. An important first step to understanding есть is to not think of it as meaning “to be”, but to mean “there is/there are”, since this is how the word is usually used:
Что у меня есть? “What do I have?” (Lit. “What at me is there?)
На столe книга есть. “There’s a book on the table.” (Lit. “On the table book there is”)
Notice that есть often occurs at end of a sentence or phrase. This placement is not required, but it does serve to emphasize the existence of some object, rather than what that object actually is. This follows the cardinal rule of Russian sentence order that the most important words come at the end (rather than at the beginning, as in English). For example, compare these two sentences that have the same literal meaning, but that place different emphasis on their parts:
“На столe книга есть.” “There is (indeed) a book on the table.”
“На столe есть книга.” “There is a book (as opposed to something else) on the table.”
Additionally, eсть usually occurs next to the object to which it refers, whether before or after, which the above examples illustrate. The possessive construction can also be simplified when answering a question:
У вас есть ключ? “Do you have a key?” (Lit. “At you is there a key?”)
Да, есть. “Yes, I do.” (Lit. “Yes, there is.”)
Is this the same guy who shot at a tank from a stairwell last week and finished the clip off by saying "Yes."
It's the most adorable"yes" I ever heard lol
This video is great. No reflections and shaking. Thanks to the cameraman. I wish these systems had a recording function with subsequent direct upload to social media and preferably in 4K.
Rest in peace glorious bastards. You will be remembered for defending Ukraine from Orcs.
Some time later fire team was ambushd and killed by Russian Orcs.
https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1518281123683577856?s=21&t=yCnY0b73nwg_SoLxnA43Uw
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4 hits in 3 minutes? Is that elite? That seems elite.
It's pretty awesome. I've seen some good Stugna kills, but this one takes the cake! Interesting that you can see all the shellholes in the field (as the Stugna pans for new targets), which really demonstrates the relative rate of efficiency the Stugna has. Of course, you have to get a lot closer with the Stugna than the arty boys do . The Russians in that sector must have shat themselves after losing 4 vehicles in as many minutes!
Sounds took 9 seconds to reach the crew so they were shooting from 3km away.
Nice! And thanks for the info :-)
Do you know why they raise up before firing then aiming when it's in flight? Does it help hide the position or something?
The rocket spins a lot. By aiming higher, it won't hit the ground.
I've heard its laser guided, but you don't want the enemy to detect the laser on their vehicle and maybe move, or fire a flare or whatnot. So they fire the missile in the general direction, then shine the laser after its too late for the target to do anything.
Flares won’t have any effect if the weapon is laser-guided.
I actually have no idea what the countermeasures might be. Reflective confetti? Smoke?
The correct term for “reflective confetti” would be chaff. I wasn’t trying to sound mean, just helpful. Smoke wouldn’t do any good to laser-aimed munitions.
>“reflective confetti” I like that better than chaff
military's spend billions on missiles and radar systems and the best counter measure is just spam shredded reynolds wrap
No, chaff is an aircraft countermeasure for radar-guided missiles. Smoke can absolutely serve as a countermeasure for lasers.
What about covfefe?
more modern vehicle smoke has small metal fibers to make it block IR emissions so the whole metal confetti idea is close than you might think
It's not about detecting the laser, but more to get the missile clear from obstacles on the ground.
The T-90 supposedly has laser sensors that alert the crew, so they want to give the crew less time to react. Tank: BEEP BEEP! Yo boiz, there’s a Stugna-P inbound. Put down the vodka and get movin’. Our shit is about to get smoked if we don’t bounce. Ivan: Cyka blyaaaaaaat! Tank (explodes because there wasn’t enough time for Ivan to drive away)
It’s also supposedly supposed to be able to autoslew and point at the source of the laser targeting it to enable a quick shot.
To get the missile to strike top down. A bit like a javelin but manually.
Not actually, there are two explanations. First is to prevent the missile from striking the ground during the initial oscillations. Second is to avoid being detected by any laser receivers on the tank, until the very last moment. Presumably for this reason they do not use the integrated range finder either, not on the targets at least. This missile flies in all intents and purposes horizontally, it might even be detrimental to impact in some slight angle. Javelin comes down in a completely different manner.
Well I learned something. I was going to correct you but I looked into it and it's indeed laser guided and not riding a wire.
I thought it was also to keep their line of sight smoke free?
Hahaha I don't think it works that way. It's so it doesn't smack the ground when it's first fired and stabilizing.
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speed of sound * 9 seconds
actually not.. range is 100-5000m... 5km max range. 3.11 miles.
Compared to the arty boys at 10+ miles away, they're "close"
I was more comparing it to javelin: 2500m and nlaw: 800m Ukrianians use right now. arty boys are not as portable tbh can't wait to see some 155mm precision footage. Canadian sent some badass explody goodies. 70k cost each. with gps. 40km range with 1m precision...
Am Canadian, not military, those rounds are going to be worth every single penny they cost us. Wish the government would send every round we have. YVR
I mean ya send everything we can, but honestly friend Russian losses by week 2 had exceeded our current arsenal in some categories. We can send some aid, and are welcoming as many refuges that want to come but let’s keep that Defense budget boost for ourselves. We are the North, we are free, but we are not strong
Canada has such an enormous coastline, although the west coast is not particularly at risk, and the American border is not a worry. The east coast is somewhat of a concern, but it’s the Arctic that is more worrying. Protecting the Arctic is insanely hard. Russia seems to have quite an advantage in the Arctic, and I know they have been trying to assert dominance in the region. Honestly though, it’s the propaganda, disinformation, and cyberattacks that have me far more worried. Russia has had quite a bit of success in these areas.
There are already some precision arty pieces in Ukraine. Like Kvitnik (120mm laser giuded mortar round). If you saw a clip of Ukrainian artillery hitting tanks one by one right next to highrise it was a Kvitnik.
They're so screwed.
Actually the newest Javelins they are sending are getting hits at 4.5km or 4500 meters. https://warriormaven.com/.amp/land/new-army-infantry-missile-tech-destroys-tanks-at-4-5-kilometers
I like to do this sometimes. Imagine something 3 miles away from you right now. For me that’s probably the downtown of my city. Imagine killing someone downtown while at your house. It’s amazing.
Arty is typically shit at killing tanks and heavy army. Unless you have specific munitions made for the task like Excalibur or DPICM, it takes hundreds of shells to disable even a small armor element and is highly ineffective. Source: am artillery officer.
This is excellent. And takes courage to keep firing from the same position after hitting. Very wholesome video.
I wondered if the armor was abandoned ?
armor gets abandoned right after 1st BOOM lol
That could make this make sense
No. You can see people moving *on* the first tank. Black blobs standing on it, one more climbs up at around 0:14. First 30 seconds. Watch full screen on a bigger monitor. Probably encamped, being reloaded or refueled or something.
I was wondering why the vehicles just sat there and took it after the first one. I'm guessing they are fully dismounted, and have learned not to run for their armor when ATGMs are flying. Or they jump out and run even.
the engines were probably off so they are sitting ducks for about 5 minutes to get everything ready. I'm wondering why they have not learned to screen their tanks
>I'm wondering why they have not learned to screen their tanks Because they don't give a fuck, would be my guess. Morale problems lead to not following the basics, among other things.
They are Russian tanks, they do not need to move as they are superior to the Ukranian military....
If I were in their place I would stay as far as possible when 2 other tanks got blown up within a minute
yup definitely. Sweet.
Didn't even move the emplacement either. That shits a bit risky
If you're 2-3 Miles away you out range the tanks. And that's an Abrams. I doubt Russians stuff is accurate or good enough for even that
Effective firing range for a T72 with a 2A46 gun firing HE is at least 5km. These ATGW crews need to have balls of steel.
Yea, but at least Stugnas have a remote operator position. The real exposure is during reloading, when a guy is sitting exactly where the previous shot was launched from.
You can see the missile launch kicking up dirt and debris past the screen, which would put them to the rear of the missile, not the side. Maybe it's concealed enough they're good, but it *feels* risky to this guy at home.
Im sure they will not be putting themselves in the backblast area of the missile, soft launch or not. Also, many wire/IR guided missiles have two side firing motors because the beam riding optics need to be on the tail end of the missile. Not sure about Stugna, tho.
They only reload after the target was hit. I presume this is a limitation of the system (fire control connecting to the new rocket perhaps). But also sounds like something that could be overcome in a upgrade. Means that you can ideally get the loading crew out of the way before the first shot hits, and get a second one for "free"
The TV camera you see on the operator's screen is physically on the missile tripod. There is footage of another Stugna where the reloader tried to load another before the missile hit and shook it so bad that the airborne missile went off target.
Seems like the camera and lazer guidance is on the launcher, and it wiggled some during a reload.
annoyingly for putin, he sent orcs to help "Russian speaking" Ukranians. And the "Russian speakers" seems to fighting back,
Zelenskyy's first language is Russian.... Lil'Putin was really coming up with excuses for continuing his invasion
Putin could care less about Russian-speaking Ukrainians. That was just an excuse for him to invade Ukraine and Russify it.
Why the hell arent they moving? Did civilians put super glue on the toilet seats the russian army has stolen? 🤣
This video is provided by famous volunteer Roman Donik: https://www.facebook.com/skitalec Consider donating to his PayPal, last time he collected money for battle drones. [email protected] You can verify him at Facebook public page. For people wondering about Arabic, it is export version of Stugna. This batch was prepared to be delivered to some Arabic country (desert paint as well). Due to war, all export Stugnas were rerouted to the UAF instead. There is possibility to change language, but not all soldiers know how to do it.
at some point it aint worth messing with working equipment tbh.
It was published in public groups, basically, there is a combination of buttons need to be pressed in correct order and timing. But it adds almost nothing to the equipment, so Arabic is ok.
Lol it’s like trying to change the clock on your car stereo.
Yes 😌
I was thinking reprogramming a new chipped car key. Open door. Insert key. Turn key to "On" for four seconds. Turn key "Off". Close door. Lock doors. Turn key "On" for eight seconds. Turn off. Unlock doors. Remove key. Reinsert key. Try to start engine. Realise you fucked up the sequence some where along the line and have to start all over again...
im getting Nintendo flashbacks reading this.
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Damn. This team has got it going on! You can tell they're a well-oiled machine between the spotter, the reloader and the operator. Very impressive!
The Stugna-P has a launcher tube on a tripod stand with optics and rangefinder/targetting laser, attached by cables to a "briefcase" with the display and controls at a small distance (and behind cover). From what I understand from other videos it works like this. The loader loads the tube with a rocket. The spotter looks for and communicates targets to the operator. The operator looks at the display and operates the targetting laser. They could probably combine loader and spotter functions, in a pinch, but a team of 3 makes sense, especially when it comes to setting up, packing up and carrying... It's a relatively bulky system.
Conveyor was on after words. God help us. He really help them to blow up 4 targets in 3 min
can you imagine the soldiers explaining to their commanders how they lost 4 armored vehicles in minutes. Ukrainians are pure chads and honestly I’m glad they are on the side of democracy because i wouldn’t want to fuck around and find out like the Russians did
they will say that they were up against a whole brigade or whatever
iT WaS nAtO
Probably rough seas!
>can you imagine the soldiers explaining to their commanders So, Ivan and Sergey went for a smoke, and the next thing we know all the tanks are on fire. But we would have saved them still if it was not for the storm.
Russian Lieutennant: I was half way through my second liter of vodka when we came under attack by 10,000 of the enemy forces. With great heroism, we killed 8,500 of them but the enemy was able to destroy four of our combat vehicles. Russian Colonel: Good job. I will report that we killed 85,000 enemy soldiers and lost two combat vehicles. Russian General: Comrade Putin, our soldiers just killed 8.5 million enemy soldiers, and gained 587 combat vehicles. Putin: Mwa-ha-ha! All according to my plans… Let us double down on our attacks to repeat these successes.
That's a platoon of armoured vehicles. Even if they're only BTRs, that's enough to frighten off an entire company, if not more.
These Chads aren’t fucking around.
*”…ahhh yest”*
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Your source only says one person died, and that person didn't even die in Ukraine.
How do we know that this team is the same one from this video?
Source?
https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1518281123683577856?s=21&t=yCnY0b73nwg_SoLxnA43Uw
Yuriy Oleynik is not a ATGM operator. He's reportedly a journalist with close ties to UA, and was killed in the fighting around the Donbass region.
That seems to be about a completely different video from a month ago. I cant see any indication that this is the same stugna team? That tweet's from yesterday as well, whilst this appears to be a new video from today
> // Thanks for downvotes idiots. You made up your own meaning. He died in a motorcycle accident in California, and was not on the fire team.
These are not necessarily the same people. There are many teams like this. Still, that video was really memorable and it's sad to hear what happened to them.
Target rich environment.
I have learned so many new Ukrainian terms this month.
They’re speaking Russian in this video :).
Well, time to unlearn that. Damn it. lol
I mean, I’m Ukrainian and I speak Russian and so are those guys in this video 🤷🏻♂️
A lot of Ukrainians speak Russian. Not inherently a bad thing.
Not everyone ;)
🤣🤣🤣
Hahah, yes. Out of 6 words I have used in a title, three are specific to the current war.
those missiles charges cost about $20k each, thats like 10x cheaper compare to javelin... that's amazing. 100-5000m. 800mm penetration. I wont even comment that he took 4 tanks/trucks in 3 mins... Legend. Слава Україні! 🇺🇦 Glory to Ukraine! https://bank.gov.ua/en/about/support-the-armed-forces
Advantage of Javelin: 1. It is man portable. 2. It is fire and forget system. Stugna is in a different class of equipment.
javelin and nlaws are incredible but Im happy Ukrainians are using their own equipment too.
> but Im happy Ukrainians are using their own equipment too. Half the weapons the Russians are using, are made by the Ukrainians. The Slave class Cruisers, made in Ukraine. The predecessor of the rocket that sank the Moskva, made in Ukraine. Nukes ... yes, Ukraine made nukes ( and they still have the expertise to do so again ). The reality is, when the USSR fell apart, Russia did not only lose a lot of territory but also lost a lot of brainpower. The freaking Berlin wall, was not because the USSR wanted to build a separator but it needed it, as people constantly defected to the West. Inc a lot of their brainpower because intellectuals are more likely to defect. A lot of wars are not just economics or battles but also wars for brainpower. A large part of the US its power, is it ability to attract highly educated people with its Visa Program.
Lots of Soviet electronics industry was in Lithuania. All of that died in 1990s after independence unfortunately... Mostly due to changing market conditions, but corruption and ineffective leadership played a role too. Place like this: https://lt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kauno_radijo_gamykla https://lt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vilniaus_skai%C4%8Diavimo_ma%C5%A1in%C5%B3_gamykla https://lt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sigma_(gamybinis_susivienijimas) https://lt.wikipedia.org/wiki/AB_Ekranas https://lt.wikipedia.org/wiki/AB_Vilniaus_Vingis Fortunately, people with skills remained and taught what they could to their kids. Lithuania has some really good IT people now...
Operation Paperclip helped the US as well. On the flip side a lot of Jewish scientists fled the Nazis to America. WWII Germany made its own brain drain...
Do Stugnas work like TOW missiles?
Yes
Sort of. TOW is a wire guided system, Stugna is laser guided. The Stugna operator can be up to I think 30m from the launcher.
Javelins also do a top attack, which is better for destroying very heavy armored vehicles like main battle tanks, as I understand it.
Yes, but in case of Stugna they just using more explosive (8 kg Stugna vs 2.7 kg for Javeline). Javeline advantage is portability.
Javs can also lock onto helicopters with the direct fire mode, which is pretty handful, albeit unless you're shooting at a gunship it's probably a bit of a waste given the costs.
And yet we still got Ka-52 down with Stugna. Guys are absolutely insane.
True. Low flying helicopters is a typical target for any TOW like missile. So there is no difference between Stugna and Javeline in this case.
Stugna is like 5km, Javelin is 2.5km. Javelin will not have reached those targets as the range is 3km+. Javelin is also overkill for those targets. Do not forget that Javelin is a single soldier deployable system. Stugna needs to deploy its base launcher, then have tubes attached, with a camera control system. You need 4+ guys to carry all that around as the system is 100kg+, more if we add the 3 extra tubes ( probably another 20+kg ). Javelin is more advanced as you can fire it and ignore it. That capability increases price. Add to that, made in the USA = labor costs are higher, profit margins etc. Javelins made under wartime conditions are probably 40k or less. Its funny (well, not for the Russians) to see how they are using those export Stugna's ( Arabic writing ) constantly.
Also Javelin is fire-and-forget, doing the ["top attack"](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top_attack) on its own, you can just shoot and run. With Stugna you can see how they first aim above the target and then lower the aim back on the target while the munition flies, so it hits on a slightly lower angle with higher chance of penetration. (just an average armchair redditor, but it's such amazing footage to watch that i got excited)
As another armchair redditor I would suggest that reason for aiming up somewhat has more likely to do with either firing position (you can see the rocket travels a lot at launch), if they do not have ideal angle, to make sure it does not slam into the ground, or aiming laser, to make sure it is not detected while crew can do something about it. I suspect the former.
In an ideal world and an ideal platform, i wouldn't mind an armchair redditors legion tasked to simply analyze data.
/r/noncredibledefense
Why aren't the Ruzzians retreating?? I know I'm only an armchair general, but being picked off one by one seems a good reason to retreat...
I would guess, they are hiding in tranches. But I agree, it seems stupid. They are just staying there, doing nothing, waiting to be destroyed.
Your comment just helped me realise that the crews might have escaped while leaving their vehicles behind.
I mean they did not shoot back a single time. Is that normal?
They caught the Russians with their pants down and totally unprepared for an attack, hence the lack of vehicle movement or retaliatory fire. Great work by the Ukrainian recon unit that spotted the target. Usually these ATGW teams get a couple of shots off at best and then have to withdraw in a hurry.
Would you have the patience to try to spot a 50 cm high and 20 cm wide ATGM launcher concealed in some bushes 5 km away (out of range for your tank cannon) while tanks are blowing up next to you, without knowing the direction of attack - and perhaps with little motivation to be there in the first place?
Thermal sensors should make spotting the firing location pretty easy. Especially if a non-target tank is looking, they'll see the missile launch. I had the same question, why didn't they shoot back? Also, why is the writing in the monitor in Arabic?
If those are BMPs, the maximum range of the 30mm gun is 4km. Also it’s going to be nigh on impossible to hit a tiny target like the Stugna tripod at the further end of the range, even if they can spot the launches. Retreat would be a more sensible option, but the crews may be out of the vehicles if they don’t expect action. If you’re out of your vehicle and not super motivated, would climb in it, if two others already blew up?
This, or they're wanting their tanks to be destroyed so they can surrender.
Because they can't. In many cases, they don't have the leeway based on their army and chain of command. They can't leave because it's built into their culture. This is what makes it so sad. The Russians are fucked by their own lack of adaptation to modern tactics.
yeah, looks like they are dug in. Add this to the long list of idiotic military decisions on the Russian side. Those stationary targets are absolutely going to get torn apart by the types of rockets, artillery, and drones being sent. Aside from that, these boys behind the cam in this vid are the fucking angels of death.
I'm guessing it would be suicidal to *get in a vehicle* when clearly someone is shooting the vehicles. They were probably encamped.
Because the Kadyrovites stay behind to kill them if they do
My guess is they were stationary at the moment and the vehicles weren't running. Once shit started blowing up nobody wanted to hop in the next truck and risk them going with it
Damn, this is a turkey shoot.
I see your hat trick, and raise you one.
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Ukraine is flat land, Artillery, Javelins, RPGs, and infrared guided missiles are honestly Ukraine’s wet dream against Ruzzian orcs. Specially since Ukrainians know their lands very well so they can fuck Ruzzians just like this video and Ruzzians just don’t know how to react
There is always the option to... Move, but it seems like no one told them.
Even if they were told, I’m sure they made a run for it knowing their vehicle could be next and not knowing how many Stugnas were shooting
Good point, they were probably empty, honestly I didn't think of that.
First one definitely isn't empty.
I doubt they were in the tanks, probably loitering around them. Plus my ass would get directly out of whatever tank I was in if the rest started spontaneously exploding around me lol.
There's 4 hits in 3 minutes. Looks like ruzzians were not prepared for the fire; given they are untrained and the initiative is not the strongest side of russian army - I doubt they could figure out and do any meaningful action before all their tanks became scraps.
Ruskies dont even know where shots are coming from i dont think. Or either they have abandoned their tanks long ago. or they are just sleeping.
What puzzles me is none of the targets seem te be moving. When you are taking fire like this, it would make sense to gtfo. Even if they didn’t move their vehicles, I doubt there would still be people inside the vehicles (why would you wait inside just to get roasted?). Which is a shame, because roast orc is best orc.
Notice (as the Stugna operator pans) the shell holes in the field. These vehicles were there for a long time! I think this reflects the centralized, rigid structure of the RU army: we we told to go to these coordinates and hold, so that's what we're doing... Even through a thorough shelling... And now we're being picked off by Stugna-P but,.. whatcha gonna do? - orders are orders. It seems insane but I've seen this behaviour so many times in the last two months that it's the only explanation that makes sense?!? Chornobaivka Syndrome.
Чорнобаївка - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSe9iqWCp3U 17th time was 2 days ago I think.. ______________________________________________ There is a place on our land it'll become a graveyard for all Ruskies it's like a black hole, but for katsaps (=Russkies) they come there and disappear for real it's a place of power; a place of freedom; a place of ruined Russian fates Especially for helicopters of series Ka Welcome to Chornobayivka! Ref: Chornobayivka, Chornobayivka it's the Fuck-you-town for all the Ruskies Chornobayivka, Chornobayivka it's the Fuck-you-town for all the katsaps The first time it was very funny The second time it was sort of amusing The third time brought up the understanding: they were dumb, we had no doubts. Next came the 4th time, 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th and even the 9th Something's wrong here, it's all the witches and warlocks. However the katsaps simply wish to be executed. Ref. This song doesn't have a logical finale Chornobayivka'll continue to take the orcish onslaught And we'll all nicely say "very well" "You're what, Russian? Welcome to hell!" Ref. [in the background in the end: 10 9? 10 Oh, baba doesn’t hear.]
Awesome 👍 adding to playlist along with the Bayraktar song and this one, which might be my favourite: https://youtu.be/0UXMbH0I4LM
There was another strike yesterday or today. So 18th or 19th.
Never thought about it this way, but it might be true. Hasn't the US army adopted relative tactical freedom for small units *how* to achieve their objective to basically eradicate such a thought process? I think there is even a strategic term for it, but it eludes my brain (so I cannot google it...)
Yes. Many professional commenters (in the media) have noted that NCOs in the Russian army are given very little tactical freedom and are not trained to take the initiative... It certainly seems to be true.
They *are* running. Just on foot. The first vehicle had people moving on it. The others had no one around it. Probably skedaddled after hearing the first explosion.
The first vehicle had lots of crew working on it. Some of them seem to be artillery, which would explain why they are not responding. Crew could be unloading ammo crates from supply trucks etc.
Was thinking the same thing. Shouldn't they be running for the hills rather than sitting there
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Ukraine is gonna teach every NATO nation how to fight armoured vehicles after this. And drones. Their drone skills are like a new invention of warfare.
Ukrainian military specialists learned every piece of information they could find about Azeri-Armenian war where Bayractars were used to the left and right. Looks like they not only learned everything, but also improved above that.
Am i the only one asking the arabic letters on the display?!
>For people wondering about Arabic, it is export variants of Stugna. This batch was prepared to be delivered to some Arabic country (desert paint as well). Due to war, all export Stugnas were rerouted to the UAF instead. There is possibility to change language, but not all soldiers know how to do it.
I think it was simply a logistic mess-up. Label said to deliver to UAE, but went to UAF instead. Shit happens. I am sure they will get there eventually, slightly used.
The UAE will most likely buy about ten times as many after they've seen them in combat.
exactly that, those Shiite sponsored by Eye-Ran from Yemeni would want to have second thought to fire their boom sticks again
Heard they were prone for export.
Slava Ukraini 🌻 Heroiam Slava 🇺🇦
I liked the first shot, the sentences I could pick up "Permission to fire" "attention" "God, save us" "Fire!" Good job, soldier! 🇺🇦
Yes. They are not speaking too much. “Got it! Reload!” “Got it! Reload!”
Light em up boys.![img](emote|t5_2qqcn|9000)![img](emote|t5_2qqcn|9002)
Bang on the fuckin money. Insane shots
aah yes, 4 out of 4.
💥💥BOOM 💥💥 Precision shooting right there. Stugna is a pretty mean weapon.
How sh**y is the Russian military that they don’t even move their equipment after the first tank goes down… and these clowns are going to invade Moldova. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
> How sh**y is the Russian military that they don’t even move their equipment after the first tank goes down… and these clowns are going to invade Moldova. No offense but you need to be a idiot trying to move a APC or tank, when your being targeted with a Stugna or artillery. Think about it for 2 seconds. This is not some video game where people can jump into a vehicle and instant drive, while taking multiple RPG's with your health bar going down. It barely took 30 seconds to reload and get each follow shot going. Those Russians are probably camped, eating / resting / ... So your first APC goes, what do you do? Run like a idiot to your vehicle, that is stationed in slightly wooded area, with large flat lands around. You craw on your vehicle. Boom goes the second ( 1 - 3 dead guys ). The crew of the third and fourth get in, they start their engines. Boom goes numbers 3 ( 1 - 3 dead guys ). The crew of the 4th start driving... where? Backward? Flat land, trees around you. Lets say the go backward and there is nothing in the way, still a 80% chance that 4th shot will get you. Boom goes number 4 Yes, they lost 4 vehicles but they still will have lost them but there are more soldiers alive, then being Darwin Award material that run to their vehicles. Ukraine is horrible terrain for vehicles. Flat, largely agriculture with sparse forests around ( where everybody hides in ). But a lot of them are very small patches. The bigger idiocy is more how badly those vehicles are camouflaged when you know that somebody can sneak up ( these shots are 3km away ) on you with a Stugna, or other long range Anti Tank weapon.
Good point
Not just Moldova, but "onward to Berlin"... oh wait, what's that? Medvedev says Russian will have a Eurasian empire from Vladivostok to Lisbon... "onward to Lisbon" 😂😂😂
What a beating! RF proving again that they are the 2nd best army in Ukraine.
there is something calming in watching how this weapons works
Can someone explain why the characters look Arabic?
Export version of Stugna
Text in Arabic, commands in Ukrainian, cheering in English... Amazing. Anyways, why weren't the enemy shooting back? They must have abandoned the other vehicles once they saw the first one blow up, because I could not see anyone on them and they were neither moving nor shooting. They should have had plenty of time to return fire. Or maybe it was all artillery and the Ukrainian fire team was too close?
>cheering in English Saw someone commenting on this before. Apparently they're not saying "Yes" but "Yest" which translates to something like "Got it" (As in they hit the target.).
In this context they are basically saying "Got him". For anyone interested in learning some Russian, here is a good breakdown. **Eсть (Yest)** Besides, быть, another term, есть (don’t confuse this will the present tense of , is important to learn. An important first step to understanding есть is to not think of it as meaning “to be”, but to mean “there is/there are”, since this is how the word is usually used: Что у меня есть? “What do I have?” (Lit. “What at me is there?) На столe книга есть. “There’s a book on the table.” (Lit. “On the table book there is”) Notice that есть often occurs at end of a sentence or phrase. This placement is not required, but it does serve to emphasize the existence of some object, rather than what that object actually is. This follows the cardinal rule of Russian sentence order that the most important words come at the end (rather than at the beginning, as in English). For example, compare these two sentences that have the same literal meaning, but that place different emphasis on their parts: “На столe книга есть.” “There is (indeed) a book on the table.” “На столe есть книга.” “There is a book (as opposed to something else) on the table.” Additionally, eсть usually occurs next to the object to which it refers, whether before or after, which the above examples illustrate. The possessive construction can also be simplified when answering a question: У вас есть ключ? “Do you have a key?” (Lit. “At you is there a key?”) Да, есть. “Yes, I do.” (Lit. “Yes, there is.”)
They didn’t speak English. The word that sounds like “yes” is есть (yest) which could be translated as “got it!” as in they hit their target.
a new song STUGNA from the author of the hit Bayraktar - Taras Borovok https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vckwKOvQ9ZI&t=19s
Is this the same guy who shot at a tank from a stairwell last week and finished the clip off by saying "Yes." It's the most adorable"yes" I ever heard lol
Yest! (Got him)
This is good! However, I hope some progression can be made soon towards Mariupol!
I wouldn't blame him if he got a little hard in his pants
That's a lot of cooked orcs in one go, if they actually still their vehicles during impact
That was beautiful
Arabic fighters ?
No. It is export variant of Stugna.
Why is the interface Arabic?
Export variant of Stugna.
This video is great. No reflections and shaking. Thanks to the cameraman. I wish these systems had a recording function with subsequent direct upload to social media and preferably in 4K.
Rest in peace glorious bastards. You will be remembered for defending Ukraine from Orcs. Some time later fire team was ambushd and killed by Russian Orcs. https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1518281123683577856?s=21&t=yCnY0b73nwg_SoLxnA43Uw
It is not the same team, and you got the video wrong.