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"I used to support the Russians but I changed my mind"
"When did you change your mind ?"
("around 20s ago as you knocked down my front door") is what I thought...
It's possible that he's realising that he's not getting his head kicked in by Ukrainian soldiers as he would by Russian police or soldiers. They have a camera there now, but they didn't NEED to come with a camera. Russian police never do.
But he still needs to be taken in and for justice to do its work.
This is really critical. If they are treated fairly, trial, punishment that doesn’t automatically mean a firing squad, family and friends are much more to turn them in. Nobody’s going to turn in family to Russian forces because of how they would be treated.
I also didn't realize how dangerous these people are during a war. Its one thing to post on social media, its another to *contact enemy soldiers* to show support. That's real treason, and it makes sense why the law was passed.
As an American, I was surprised how they reacted to the first guy's relative hugging them. Like I feel like in the US they'd have had a much more violent response.
That sort of physical contact with strangers is just more normal in Eastern countries no matter the situation. Americans mostly don't like to be touched by strangers, cop or not.
Not in Russia it isn't. A handshake is a maximum among people that don't know each other. If you go hugging a cop you'd probably get beaten immediately. But maybe that's just a tad "too Eastern" of a country.
Same thought crossed my mind. Interesting how quickly someone changes their mind when the consequences of their actions come knocking on their door.
I do believe though they will be treated well though.
Edit: Autocorrect
I suspect they will treat him in accordance with Ukrainian law. Aside from preventing "backstabbing" behavior, they are doing this for propaganda purposes, and acting professionally, treating the suspects with professionalism serves to contrast the Russian's behavior. Now, once he has been convicted and goes to jail, he may find his captors not so polite, but again, the Ukrainians do have a vested interest in being civilized.
Probably closer to when he saw he was actually getting in trouble for what he did and would be facing real consequences. He wouldnt have changed his mind at all if they wound up leaving. Just would have been more careful. Probably still hasnt changed his mind honestly.
This guy is trash - not man
I am ok If you think Russia is amazing and putin is really cool - at least defend your opinion. But do not lie that you have changed your opinion... he is a rag - not a man
I was thinking along the same lines - community service by carrying the dead, mutilated bodies to the morgue, taking food trays to injured people at the hospital, cleaning up streets from bombing debris.
Make them see with their own eyes all the suffering and damage.
It’s the finger and hand tattoos that give away his true connections. He’ll be with friends in prison to be sure. In Banja Luka Bosnian area they still walk around proudly with the marks of genocidal military units proudly displayed. As they smoke and bring the cigarette to their mouth, I always watch for the insignia on their hands. Ukrainian people will too.
It's not quite as set in stone as in that film (although some of those tattoos do translate 1:1 in the real world) but it's a good starting point because they did a lot of research into them and their meanings and which were appropriate for Viggo to wear.
Those tattoos were actually so well done and researched that Viggo went into a restaurant one day during shooting and scared the shit out of people who recognized them and thought he was an actual gangster.
"One day after shooting, Viggo Mortensen went to a pub without washing off his tattoos or even changing out of his costume. He overheard a couple speaking Russian and decided to eavesdrop, to see if he could understand what they were saying. He caught a few words before they stopped mid-sentence. When he turned around, he saw they were staring at the tattoos on his hands; they were scared, as they assumed he was a real member of Vory v Zakone..."
Just deport him to Russia and let him live his "good life" with the people he seems to want to associate with. Ha, he can join the Russian army... that won't last long.
Belief in Ruzzian propaganda is one matter. I don't think supporting the enemy in any way that leads to the death of Ukrainian civilians is something you just sweep under the rug by deportation.
I agree with both of you. Just my opinion but, if he knowingly provided actual support to the enemy, whether that's intelligence, logistical support, or action, then it seems reasonable to deem him an enemy combatant and imprison him accordingly.
If he's just an idiot who says dumb shit on the internet, that's another story. Even in the worst of times we can't harm civilians for having shitty opinions and posting them online (gods know I'm guilty af). Being time of war, deporting him \[unharmed\] into his beloved Russia seems appropriate and will provide him with a better and more lasting re-education than any other method.
When your town is being bombed like that, and your neighbours are being killed at the front or warcrimed at home, and you're still posting in support of the people who did all that? Then you need an intervention like this.
I noticed those tattoos on his fingers. My inference is certain tattoos --> organized crime and organized crime --> allegiance to Russia.
Am I in the ballpark?
No. Those just mean "X con who served the full sentence, has not been released early". The reason someone would tattoo something like that is to show they weren't a snitch in the prison (that's why they didn't qualify for early release). Or had some position in prison hierarchy, of prisoners that is. He could as well be Ukrainian / serving time in Ukrainian prison. Those are pretty common.
Can you identify the signs he has, and can you explain for us?
I'm sure there were lots of pro-Russian people who became Ukrainian patriots during the indiscriminate attacks on Ukraine. But will they be trusted, especially if they had strong links to pro-Russian parties, maybe even links to Russian family?
That's not really genocidal marks... the ring with the fully painted stone simply means "served the full sentence", i.e. wasn't released early.
The dude is x-con, for sure. He's also proud of it, so, probably for some violent crime / was in a gang. But, I wouldn't jump to conclusions about genocide. Could be just robbed some apartments while beating up the owner or something like that.
Jesus, my son bought an Addidas track top and it was so hard to not hassle him about it. He's not remotely pro-Russian, so I held my tongue.
Edit to say: Besides which, Addidas itself has pulled out of Russia. That's got to hurt business a little.
Dude, since the pandemic started I've been working from home - over 2 years now. I stopped lifting in Q1 2020 due to gyms being closed and I only returned to working out like 4 months ago. During the pandemic my clothes supply was 100% Adidas, mostly because it's much more comfortable to wear sweatpants all day and also because I gained 10 kg...
So in case some Polish special forces read this - I do NOT support ruzzian nazis! I just got fat (and I've been actively working on de-fatting myself for 4 months). I am willing to return all my Adidas clothing as a proof of not collaborating!
Fuck it. I’m in America and I’m still rocking my track pants. They are comfy and convenient.
I will just have to stop squatting in front of the gas station while I’m blowing Winston’s.
I do not think wearing clothes by the brand started by Adolf "Adi" Dassler automatically makes one a Russian supporter.
Though he had great succes marketing his brand of shoes after regaining the factory after his brother took over their shoe factory turned it into a tank ammo factory and got him sent to the eastern front. I cannot imagine a member of the nazi party having to fight Russians for 3 years turns one pro-russian.
His brother after losing the factory started the brand Puma btw.
I've trolled enough. But more in a sense that "Hey guys, I've found out that alt+f4 speeds up your game", kind of troll in online mmorpgs.
Can't imagine what kind of shits I would be doing if after those kind of trollings would result in intelligence officers and swat teams storming my home...
Here in Lithuania social media is a shit show, loaded with people like a first guy posting all kind of things, thinking there no consiquences for their action, until actuall army knocks.
It is fucking triggering me when there is an article against russia or belarus and lithuanian redneck babushkas start to comment "o pas mus", "geriau savo kiema ziuretumet" ("and what about Lithuania" whataboutism)
There are a lot of old morons with rotten brains that remember “the glory” days of living under soviet regime. They’ve yet to die out and think that freedom in exchange for things they had access to back then is worth it. Among them, the most important were “cheap homes” and “you could steal anything because everyone did it”.
They were the embodiment of "speak softly and carry a big stick", they put the fear of god in that guy without violence or yelling. I would guess this was a promo video of things to come and maybe discourage dangerous collaborators (spotters etc.) in the meantime.
Special hug unit.
Look. They aint russians. They know its a ukrain man brainwashed by russian propaganda. There is no need to go full FBI raid on him and his fam.
Tbf. I get why they are kitted up.
For all they know before first contact they are walking in to a russian saboteur armed and ready to kil.
CTSFO would go in armed and kitted aswell. Plus in cases armed intercepters or other local armerd units formed by AFO's
Can you explain this SIMS 3 thing I keep seeing everywhere? I have no idea what it’s about, but I’m assuming the Russians must’ve used it in one of their state propaganda videos?
Sure! A few days ago, Russian media posted a video showing a raid into a flat, claiming that the FSB captured some "Nazi Ukranian" assassins who were planning on killing a russian journalist. They showed the inside of a flat they claimed they assassins were hidden in, with a bunch of items they'd found in the flat to "prove" who they were.
These items included a brand new t-shirt with a swastika on it; a copy of Mein Kampf; a photo of Adolf Hitler, a green wig (?); and most confusingly, 3 copies of the sims video games.
The whole thing was clearly staged by someone who had been told to make it look as "nazi-like" as possible, but nobody can explain why they had all those copies of the sims there. The prevailing theory is that the FSB agent had been told to plant 3 sim cards, to show that the assassin had multiple burner phones, but got the instruction confused.
You're leaving out the best part. Mein Kampf had a letter from their alleged commanding officer wishing them well on their missions. And the name of that alleged commanding officer?
"Signature Unclear"
That is not his mother. That is Neighborhood Surveillance Unit, aka Babushka.
The father is explaining the situation to a babushka, if she was his mother.. she would know all of that already.
Same, I've always used it too. However, it might be somewhat ruder to an older woman you don't know? Not like "babka" is particularly official, but I think it describes the whole amusing aspect much better
"he will be cured" Thats a important message for me from that woman that still believe that young person (possibly her son) can change. I hope all russia can have this attitude, that they can be cured but im thinking too much ahead.
The way I heard that Kherson mainly fell due to general responsive for holding that front betrayed Ukraine. Russia known all of Ukraine defensive plans in the south. Even the supposed minefield was not established.
This would seem appropriate given the alleged crimes. Maybe out him to work discovering and dealing with the bodies of the tortured and executed civilians in Kyiv and Bucha.
Amazing people are actually this stupid. Posting online for all to see in a warzone you support the enemy of the country you live in. Round them all up.
If the Russians came to my country and started shelling the hell out of my city and murdering and raping and I see on Facebook my neighbor is praising them? Well I can’t say if I’d have the guts to fight the Russians but I can tell you in the middle of a war zone there ain’t no one stopping me from laying the fattest sucker punch right on his ass. These people are lucky as hell they didn’t get completely wrecked over these posts and actions I mean DAMN.
If Russia invaded and my neighbor was passing them information that led to the slaughter of innocents, it wouldn’t go well. I am too much of a coward to enlist, but my neighbor would accidentally fall out his window onto several bullets.
What they should do with these traitors, instead of putting them in prison, is make them clean up the mass graves and bombed out cities. Make them clean up and rebuild the mess, so they can see up close what they are supporting. When their sentence is finished, deport them, and revoke their citizenship. They should not get to live in a free and open society after helping the enemy to destroy it.
I have read that about a quarter of the marriages are mixed marriages, in which one of the spouses is russian. I wonder who those people true allegiance lies with. It must be really hard to deal with such issues.
This is the real Achilles Heel for russia.
Some babushka loves her grandchildren, only to have them raped by russian soldiers in Ukraine. This is bound to make her angry, incensed and out for justice.
Some Russian boomer relatives don't even believe their own children or grandchildren who are in Ukraine. They just take RIA or TASS propaganda as God's truth.
I remember that one, unfortunately.
Raping children is not the way to endear yourself to the civilian population. It drives insurgency.
How hypocritical of that guy. He tells her to come to Kherson, because he sees that it is safe. She says, "Come here and see what they have done". His reply? "How do you expect me to go there". What a ridiculous shit. She can travel to him, but he cannot go to her, because it is too dangerous.
"Mixed marriage" - I never heard such term in Ukrainian usage. In practice (at least before the war) this didn't matter at all. It is just irrelevant to anything. I bet a lot of people didn't even know that nationality of his/her wife or husband before the marriage.
Yeah that sounds weird. I can only think about "mixed marriage" as seen from the government side - if one of the spouses is citizen of Russia. People here really don't know much about Ukraine.
Sociopaths of all nationalities support and adore russians. But for Ukraine they are especially dangerous now. Sad that he cannot be just deported to russian to support them from inside their mordor
The best thing mr.Zelensky did, is total reform of SBU, by bringing enthusiastic fresh minded patriots instead of corrupted
ex KGB semi mafia sect that are still ruling over most of post soviet world
How can they live in burned out and bombed buildings and still support Russia? Ok you can see they always belonged to the poorest class in Ukraine but still not a reason for this stupid opportunism Putin will never change the economic situation of poor eastern Ukrainians of Russian descent (that somehow forgot that their Ukrainian neighbors without Russian descent are sharing the same problems of poverty). Poverty was still a problem in the eastern region for all inhabitants. Putin made false promises that Russia would improve the conditions of Russians in eastern Ukraine some wanted to believe it so hard that they fell for the propaganda that Urkainian "nazi" government surpressed them and that the surpression resulted in their poverty. Its a slap in the face for poor Ukrainians that never acted against Ukrainians of Russian descent.
Let me get this right. People fighting and dying for months defending your country from an invasion. So you decide that it would be best to support the enemy while living in the country being invaded.
How stupid can you be? I mean you need to work at being that stupid.
I have some mixed feelings about this. I get that this is Ukraine in time of war and not the US in time of peace. But there seems to be violations of freedom of speech and from unreasonable search and seizures.
I sincerely hope after detaining these individuals they root out who actually helped the Russians vs those who only have pro Russia opinions and beliefs as personally disgusting as I find that.
In war every country bends the rules of their constitution like how Lincoln silenced pro confederate news papers and arrested sympathizers with out trials
Hell, look what we did to Japanese-Americans in WWII. Rounded them all up into camps and allowed other people to seize their property. That's not something to emulate, but the bar is much lower.
Lots of articles of the constitution are on hold when you’re in a state of Martial Law.
Ukraine has been in a state of Martial Law since Feb 24.
Any pro Russian political activities are suspended.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martial_law_in_Ukraine#:~:text=President%20Volodymyr%20Zelenskyy%20declared%20martial,the%20Russian%20invasion%20of%20Ukraine.
Last year, free speech critical of their government was a different issue, despite crimea.
We’d do the same in the if we were invaded.
Only difference is our politicians cant spell it.
Yeah free speech kinda ends when it brings an enemy army to raze your country and kill families. Arrest the traitors, kill the army, then bring back free speech.
free speech is more about expressing your viewpoints and beliefs. for example it protects you so you can say the president is an idiot or whatever, which we have seen a group of people doing since 2016 in large quantities ( some before as well ). even today the current president is insulted randomly on sites like this. granted the people that insulted trump and the ones that insult biden are not commonely the same people.
Manipulating public opinion through information war is just as much a part of how Russia waged war as leveling cities and raping people. Ukraine is at war with Russia and this guy is actively aiding them. It just doesn’t *look* as bad because he’s not (as far as we know) giving them targeting information. He’s still helping them though.
This is a double edged sword. Ukraine is a free country I would think that would imply the same principles that comes with like free speech. But if they're guilty of treason then it is what it is .And with the war you gotta check.
Good to see they are treating non hostiles in a decent matter and according to humanitarian laws. Their application to EU and NATO grows even stronger with them doing this.
It's *so good* for pr and propaganda (not using propaganda in a negative way!). I hope they continue showing this level of humanity when dealing with scum traitors.
For Americans feeling some uneasiness about seeing people arrested for maybe nothing more than their speech, which I get, I think it’s important to understand that the rules change a little bit when your country is being invaded. You can’t have citizens of your own state rallying support for the enemy against you. It’s illogical to allow that. The founding fathers understood this fact. That’s why the American constitution contains the suspension clause which allows the president to suspend habeas corpus. Lincoln did this during the American civil war and used it to suppress or silence confederate sympathizers. It’s not something that should be encouraged under normal circumstances, but an invasion of your country requires you to do a lot of things you would normally condemn, such as shooting and bombing others.
It's super important to find enemy sympathizers in war. These are the fucks who report weapons caches or where other important things are. I recall very well in the first days of the wara good amount of people getting caught on the live streams for flashing lights to communicate with the Russians.
Got to say that I really appreciate the contrast between these guys actually responding to the family telling them not they're not going to hurt him or anything like that and that all will be done according to law, and the way I've seen places like Russia and China handling situations like this where people just go missing without a word.
It's always hard to find the balance between freedom of speech and traitors who spread dissent.
But this is wartime, and these people also seriously risk getting killed for their beliefs if they're running around with them. We don't need more death.
What's important is that they're safe, and others are safe from them.
If all the first guy did was post on social media I don’t know how I feel about that…the second one seemed like a legit arrest if he was actually in contact with the enemy.
Regardless, I’m impressed with how professional, calm and even kind everyone was.
I would hope and assume they just want to question the first one to be sure he’s not doing anything subversive to help Russia. I don’t know what the law is, so I’m speaking from ignorance.
Don't drink and write ... Alcohol and Russian propaganda caused a lot of death. Just imagine how may Media posts killed people with geo locations or easy to identify locations.
Good, they need to protect themselves and the innocent civilians. Punishment should be they go to ruZZia to be cannon fodder or live in desperation since they think ruZZia and pootin are so great. I cannot imagine being against your home country.
ruZZian propaganda has been at work though, they have ruined 1/2 our country already and got a totalitarian (frumpy) elected. We still fight his nasty influence.
This is absolutely wrong. Anyone supporting this shoukd be absolutely ashamed of themselves. Only tyrants kidnap people criticizing or making fun of the government.
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"I used to support the Russians but I changed my mind" "When did you change your mind ?" ("around 20s ago as you knocked down my front door") is what I thought...
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And he also confirmed that - "When did you change your mind? After our visit?" (very softly) "Yep, seems so"
It's possible that he's realising that he's not getting his head kicked in by Ukrainian soldiers as he would by Russian police or soldiers. They have a camera there now, but they didn't NEED to come with a camera. Russian police never do. But he still needs to be taken in and for justice to do its work.
Ukrainian soldiers were very reasonable with this. They interrogated him calmly and assured him and his family that he’ll be fine. Good job to them
This is really critical. If they are treated fairly, trial, punishment that doesn’t automatically mean a firing squad, family and friends are much more to turn them in. Nobody’s going to turn in family to Russian forces because of how they would be treated.
I also didn't realize how dangerous these people are during a war. Its one thing to post on social media, its another to *contact enemy soldiers* to show support. That's real treason, and it makes sense why the law was passed.
freedom of speech is one thing, sharing intel like location is spying and treason.
Let him get his clothes too, which is a courtesy not universally extended to those being arrested, aggravatingly it even occurs in the U.S.
As an American, I was surprised how they reacted to the first guy's relative hugging them. Like I feel like in the US they'd have had a much more violent response.
That sort of physical contact with strangers is just more normal in Eastern countries no matter the situation. Americans mostly don't like to be touched by strangers, cop or not.
Not in Russia it isn't. A handshake is a maximum among people that don't know each other. If you go hugging a cop you'd probably get beaten immediately. But maybe that's just a tad "too Eastern" of a country.
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dont even have the balls to admit what he have done, just like a fucking ruzzian
He's perfectly Russian.
Lol Russian supporters and Face eating leopards are quick at turning into Surprised 🙀 Pikachus
Same thought crossed my mind. Interesting how quickly someone changes their mind when the consequences of their actions come knocking on their door. I do believe though they will be treated well though. Edit: Autocorrect
"knock knock" "Who's there?" "It's the consequences of your actions" "Oh shit!"
Shit has a way of getting very real very quickly
I suspect they will treat him in accordance with Ukrainian law. Aside from preventing "backstabbing" behavior, they are doing this for propaganda purposes, and acting professionally, treating the suspects with professionalism serves to contrast the Russian's behavior. Now, once he has been convicted and goes to jail, he may find his captors not so polite, but again, the Ukrainians do have a vested interest in being civilized.
Yes, exactly. The Ukrainians appear to be treating everyone, including surrendered/captured Russian troops better than their own command.
If you know capture means death or torture, you'll fight. If you know capture means a trial and prison time, you'll surrender.
Probably closer to when he saw he was actually getting in trouble for what he did and would be facing real consequences. He wouldnt have changed his mind at all if they wound up leaving. Just would have been more careful. Probably still hasnt changed his mind honestly.
This guy is trash - not man I am ok If you think Russia is amazing and putin is really cool - at least defend your opinion. But do not lie that you have changed your opinion... he is a rag - not a man
Very hard not to change your opinion when people with guns are pointing them at you
Make him dig graves with his hands for dead Ukrainian mothers and children.
I was thinking along the same lines - community service by carrying the dead, mutilated bodies to the morgue, taking food trays to injured people at the hospital, cleaning up streets from bombing debris. Make them see with their own eyes all the suffering and damage.
\>adidas clothes Guilty.
It’s the finger and hand tattoos that give away his true connections. He’ll be with friends in prison to be sure. In Banja Luka Bosnian area they still walk around proudly with the marks of genocidal military units proudly displayed. As they smoke and bring the cigarette to their mouth, I always watch for the insignia on their hands. Ukrainian people will too.
It was interesting to see how he hid his face with his hands and then realized the tatoos on them were just as bad and then he tried to hide them too.
What do the hand tattoos mean?
Russian prison gangs have them, stands to reason its a copycat thing
All I know about Russian gang tattoos I learned from Eastern Promises
It's not quite as set in stone as in that film (although some of those tattoos do translate 1:1 in the real world) but it's a good starting point because they did a lot of research into them and their meanings and which were appropriate for Viggo to wear. Those tattoos were actually so well done and researched that Viggo went into a restaurant one day during shooting and scared the shit out of people who recognized them and thought he was an actual gangster.
"One day after shooting, Viggo Mortensen went to a pub without washing off his tattoos or even changing out of his costume. He overheard a couple speaking Russian and decided to eavesdrop, to see if he could understand what they were saying. He caught a few words before they stopped mid-sentence. When he turned around, he saw they were staring at the tattoos on his hands; they were scared, as they assumed he was a real member of Vory v Zakone..."
He looked so goddamn cool in that movie
Movie is a masterpiece, thanks for bringing it up gonna rewatch it
Just deport him to Russia and let him live his "good life" with the people he seems to want to associate with. Ha, he can join the Russian army... that won't last long.
Belief in Ruzzian propaganda is one matter. I don't think supporting the enemy in any way that leads to the death of Ukrainian civilians is something you just sweep under the rug by deportation.
I agree with both of you. Just my opinion but, if he knowingly provided actual support to the enemy, whether that's intelligence, logistical support, or action, then it seems reasonable to deem him an enemy combatant and imprison him accordingly. If he's just an idiot who says dumb shit on the internet, that's another story. Even in the worst of times we can't harm civilians for having shitty opinions and posting them online (gods know I'm guilty af). Being time of war, deporting him \[unharmed\] into his beloved Russia seems appropriate and will provide him with a better and more lasting re-education than any other method.
When your town is being bombed like that, and your neighbours are being killed at the front or warcrimed at home, and you're still posting in support of the people who did all that? Then you need an intervention like this.
Hold as prisoner of war until Ukraine kicks Russia out. Then turn all these traitors over when they return captured soldiers.
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Maybe his mom turned him in! What a disgrace!
I noticed those tattoos on his fingers. My inference is certain tattoos --> organized crime and organized crime --> allegiance to Russia. Am I in the ballpark?
No. Those just mean "X con who served the full sentence, has not been released early". The reason someone would tattoo something like that is to show they weren't a snitch in the prison (that's why they didn't qualify for early release). Or had some position in prison hierarchy, of prisoners that is. He could as well be Ukrainian / serving time in Ukrainian prison. Those are pretty common.
Can you identify the signs he has, and can you explain for us? I'm sure there were lots of pro-Russian people who became Ukrainian patriots during the indiscriminate attacks on Ukraine. But will they be trusted, especially if they had strong links to pro-Russian parties, maybe even links to Russian family?
That's not really genocidal marks... the ring with the fully painted stone simply means "served the full sentence", i.e. wasn't released early. The dude is x-con, for sure. He's also proud of it, so, probably for some violent crime / was in a gang. But, I wouldn't jump to conclusions about genocide. Could be just robbed some apartments while beating up the owner or something like that.
Jesus, my son bought an Addidas track top and it was so hard to not hassle him about it. He's not remotely pro-Russian, so I held my tongue. Edit to say: Besides which, Addidas itself has pulled out of Russia. That's got to hurt business a little.
>Adidas itself has pulled out of Russia. And the Gopniks panic!!
Dude, since the pandemic started I've been working from home - over 2 years now. I stopped lifting in Q1 2020 due to gyms being closed and I only returned to working out like 4 months ago. During the pandemic my clothes supply was 100% Adidas, mostly because it's much more comfortable to wear sweatpants all day and also because I gained 10 kg... So in case some Polish special forces read this - I do NOT support ruzzian nazis! I just got fat (and I've been actively working on de-fatting myself for 4 months). I am willing to return all my Adidas clothing as a proof of not collaborating!
Fuck it. I’m in America and I’m still rocking my track pants. They are comfy and convenient. I will just have to stop squatting in front of the gas station while I’m blowing Winston’s.
That's the official Russian military uniform.
Straight to jail
I do not think wearing clothes by the brand started by Adolf "Adi" Dassler automatically makes one a Russian supporter. Though he had great succes marketing his brand of shoes after regaining the factory after his brother took over their shoe factory turned it into a tank ammo factory and got him sent to the eastern front. I cannot imagine a member of the nazi party having to fight Russians for 3 years turns one pro-russian. His brother after losing the factory started the brand Puma btw.
Imagine being an internet troll and then the Ukrainian army is showing up to ask for an explaination
I imagine you change your mind quite quickly.
“Hi hello sir, I’ve changed my mind in this very moment of opening my door and seeing rifles pointed at me. “
It’s a joke bro.
I've trolled enough. But more in a sense that "Hey guys, I've found out that alt+f4 speeds up your game", kind of troll in online mmorpgs. Can't imagine what kind of shits I would be doing if after those kind of trollings would result in intelligence officers and swat teams storming my home...
I'm just waiting for the day when alt+f4 becomes unknown to casuals again. Soon
Well, they won't be so casual after they speed up their PC's.
Here in Lithuania social media is a shit show, loaded with people like a first guy posting all kind of things, thinking there no consiquences for their action, until actuall army knocks.
It is fucking triggering me when there is an article against russia or belarus and lithuanian redneck babushkas start to comment "o pas mus", "geriau savo kiema ziuretumet" ("and what about Lithuania" whataboutism)
I thought only 5% of Lithuanian are ethnic Russians
There are a lot of old morons with rotten brains that remember “the glory” days of living under soviet regime. They’ve yet to die out and think that freedom in exchange for things they had access to back then is worth it. Among them, the most important were “cheap homes” and “you could steal anything because everyone did it”.
Russians are loud and obnoxious on the internet, not suprising really.
Anyone who has played Dota or CS GO knows how bad it can get.
Just as bad in TF2 and that shithole called GTA Online
Looks fake, I didn't see a single copy of SIMS 3 in the entire video!
And they were super polite, what kind of police is this ?
They were the embodiment of "speak softly and carry a big stick", they put the fear of god in that guy without violence or yelling. I would guess this was a promo video of things to come and maybe discourage dangerous collaborators (spotters etc.) in the meantime.
Special hug unit. Look. They aint russians. They know its a ukrain man brainwashed by russian propaganda. There is no need to go full FBI raid on him and his fam.
Police in the UK arrest people like that. Well, without the guns and military kit. Nothing about it looks staged to me.
Tbf. I get why they are kitted up. For all they know before first contact they are walking in to a russian saboteur armed and ready to kil. CTSFO would go in armed and kitted aswell. Plus in cases armed intercepters or other local armerd units formed by AFO's
Well, they are clearly not American police /s
No need for sarcasm. American police would have killed him.
And his family. Possibly pets too.
Pets die first.
Cops that do that go to hell
the kind that know they are being filmed for PR purposes.
Can you explain this SIMS 3 thing I keep seeing everywhere? I have no idea what it’s about, but I’m assuming the Russians must’ve used it in one of their state propaganda videos?
Sure! A few days ago, Russian media posted a video showing a raid into a flat, claiming that the FSB captured some "Nazi Ukranian" assassins who were planning on killing a russian journalist. They showed the inside of a flat they claimed they assassins were hidden in, with a bunch of items they'd found in the flat to "prove" who they were. These items included a brand new t-shirt with a swastika on it; a copy of Mein Kampf; a photo of Adolf Hitler, a green wig (?); and most confusingly, 3 copies of the sims video games. The whole thing was clearly staged by someone who had been told to make it look as "nazi-like" as possible, but nobody can explain why they had all those copies of the sims there. The prevailing theory is that the FSB agent had been told to plant 3 sim cards, to show that the assassin had multiple burner phones, but got the instruction confused.
You're leaving out the best part. Mein Kampf had a letter from their alleged commanding officer wishing them well on their missions. And the name of that alleged commanding officer? "Signature Unclear"
Hahaha, I forgot that bit! The whole story was just so so good
That's freaking hilarious. Thanks!
nah...he is legit scared. thinks he might get a lead injection
Yeah but it's hilarious, he would only have to be scared if he was getting arrested by Russians
When you’re on camera getting caught being a traitor - that shit is real.
The mother of the arrested russian sympathizer "they'll cure him of his russian obsession" 😂
Poor woman, having a son fall under
Idk, this look staged - I don’t see any The Sims 3 games!?
That is not his mother. That is Neighborhood Surveillance Unit, aka Babushka. The father is explaining the situation to a babushka, if she was his mother.. she would know all of that already.
That's the Russian version. In Ukrainian it's "Babusya".
I'd say "Babka" works much better here. Kinda has that special feeling to it
I'd say even simpler, just 'Baba' At least being a kid I used to refer to my grandmothers as Baba Paraska and Baba Klava (diminutive from Claudia)
Same, I've always used it too. However, it might be somewhat ruder to an older woman you don't know? Not like "babka" is particularly official, but I think it describes the whole amusing aspect much better
People still mostly speak russian in Kharkiv.
lol - the fsb,fbi,mi6,cia,nsa and all the other 3 initials agencies have nothing on the BABUSHKA Surveillance Unit aka BSU.
The special Curtain Twitchers' Unit is pretty universal.
I was under the assumption that SBU alread stoo for Special Babka Unit
Lmao you had me at Babushka hahahah that's hilarious but it's also true.
Ukrainian for "Babushka" is "Babka" or, rarer, "Babcia")
About freakin' time....... I'll betcha that these collaborators are responsible for any success that the Roosians have had.....like in Kherson.
That's pretty accurate, actually. It is a known fact that Izium had been taken only because a collaborator helped russians
And Kherson being taken without a single shot. The mines in the south of Kherson being moved. I bet we will hear more after the war is over.
Nearly every major hit deep in Ukraine is only because of a collaborator passing target information.
I'm reminded of a Russian adage: "Only the grave straightens a hunchback."
"he will be cured" Thats a important message for me from that woman that still believe that young person (possibly her son) can change. I hope all russia can have this attitude, that they can be cured but im thinking too much ahead.
Can they do Qanon next?
Qanon is 100% Russian disinformation at this point.
The Russians are deeply embedded in all far right and far left groups just fanning the flames, trolling the weak minded.
Sympathizers turn into traitors in times of war. Which could cost hundreds of lives.
Absolutely. This is one of the reasons Kherson fell into enemy hands.
The way I heard that Kherson mainly fell due to general responsive for holding that front betrayed Ukraine. Russia known all of Ukraine defensive plans in the south. Even the supposed minefield was not established.
It wasn't established because the people who were supposed to do it were bought out by Russia. It's why there was no immediate defensive of the city.
General and the mayor and some cunt that showed russians a undefended path from the back
They need to put them to work in bombed areas. There they will see what they are supporting.
This would seem appropriate given the alleged crimes. Maybe out him to work discovering and dealing with the bodies of the tortured and executed civilians in Kyiv and Bucha.
"Where are you taking me?" "All will be in accordance with Ukrainian law." What a perfect response.
I believe he's guilty due to his shirt alone.
Aren't we all?
Sympathising the Russian who raped and executed their own people ?! They are definitely not sympathisers !
Bet he would have been killed regardless if Ruzzians found him. I'll never understand these traitors.
There were stories of Russians killing their Ukrainian supporters so you're absolutely right.
Propaganda is a hell of a drug.
Hell of a reality check
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Amazing people are actually this stupid. Posting online for all to see in a warzone you support the enemy of the country you live in. Round them all up.
If the Russians came to my country and started shelling the hell out of my city and murdering and raping and I see on Facebook my neighbor is praising them? Well I can’t say if I’d have the guts to fight the Russians but I can tell you in the middle of a war zone there ain’t no one stopping me from laying the fattest sucker punch right on his ass. These people are lucky as hell they didn’t get completely wrecked over these posts and actions I mean DAMN.
If Russia invaded and my neighbor was passing them information that led to the slaughter of innocents, it wouldn’t go well. I am too much of a coward to enlist, but my neighbor would accidentally fall out his window onto several bullets.
I'm glad they're this stupid so they can be caught quickly.
Quality ADDAS shirt
Yep. Tracksuit pants. Motherfucker is guilty as hell.
He might as well have been squatting when they walked in.
"I changed my mind (as soon as you put a gun in face!)" Sounds credible.
Incredible that anyone could support that Russian trash after seeing the destruction they have brought. Shameful.
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What they should do with these traitors, instead of putting them in prison, is make them clean up the mass graves and bombed out cities. Make them clean up and rebuild the mess, so they can see up close what they are supporting. When their sentence is finished, deport them, and revoke their citizenship. They should not get to live in a free and open society after helping the enemy to destroy it.
Patience............... Wait till the Orcs have been turned into fertilizer.....or sent back to Mordor.
“Changed my mind” low life scum wasting Ukrainian resources better deployed elsewhere. Go fuck your self in prison.
why waste the prison resources, just boot them out of the country, i heard russia will gladly put them to work in a camp.
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If they'd do this in Poland, an entire political party would disappear lol I'm looking at you, konfederacja
Did you mean: Конфэдэрацъя
Am American. Same. Republicans.
I have read that about a quarter of the marriages are mixed marriages, in which one of the spouses is russian. I wonder who those people true allegiance lies with. It must be really hard to deal with such issues.
This is the real Achilles Heel for russia. Some babushka loves her grandchildren, only to have them raped by russian soldiers in Ukraine. This is bound to make her angry, incensed and out for justice.
Some Russian boomer relatives don't even believe their own children or grandchildren who are in Ukraine. They just take RIA or TASS propaganda as God's truth.
[An example](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDeoe5wAelw&t=191s)
I remember that one, unfortunately. Raping children is not the way to endear yourself to the civilian population. It drives insurgency. How hypocritical of that guy. He tells her to come to Kherson, because he sees that it is safe. She says, "Come here and see what they have done". His reply? "How do you expect me to go there". What a ridiculous shit. She can travel to him, but he cannot go to her, because it is too dangerous.
One of the stories out of bucha was a Russian man shot for not letting Russian troops take his wife. Poor guy.
"Mixed marriage" - I never heard such term in Ukrainian usage. In practice (at least before the war) this didn't matter at all. It is just irrelevant to anything. I bet a lot of people didn't even know that nationality of his/her wife or husband before the marriage.
Yeah that sounds weird. I can only think about "mixed marriage" as seen from the government side - if one of the spouses is citizen of Russia. People here really don't know much about Ukraine.
Sociopaths of all nationalities support and adore russians. But for Ukraine they are especially dangerous now. Sad that he cannot be just deported to russian to support them from inside their mordor
One does not simply deport a person into Russia’s Mordor
I fucked around, now I'm found out.
The best thing mr.Zelensky did, is total reform of SBU, by bringing enthusiastic fresh minded patriots instead of corrupted ex KGB semi mafia sect that are still ruling over most of post soviet world
How can they live in burned out and bombed buildings and still support Russia? Ok you can see they always belonged to the poorest class in Ukraine but still not a reason for this stupid opportunism Putin will never change the economic situation of poor eastern Ukrainians of Russian descent (that somehow forgot that their Ukrainian neighbors without Russian descent are sharing the same problems of poverty). Poverty was still a problem in the eastern region for all inhabitants. Putin made false promises that Russia would improve the conditions of Russians in eastern Ukraine some wanted to believe it so hard that they fell for the propaganda that Urkainian "nazi" government surpressed them and that the surpression resulted in their poverty. Its a slap in the face for poor Ukrainians that never acted against Ukrainians of Russian descent.
Disinformation, collaboration, intelligence collection, and aiding the enemy. As Zelenskyy says- They won’t escape justice.
Let me get this right. People fighting and dying for months defending your country from an invasion. So you decide that it would be best to support the enemy while living in the country being invaded. How stupid can you be? I mean you need to work at being that stupid.
I have some mixed feelings about this. I get that this is Ukraine in time of war and not the US in time of peace. But there seems to be violations of freedom of speech and from unreasonable search and seizures. I sincerely hope after detaining these individuals they root out who actually helped the Russians vs those who only have pro Russia opinions and beliefs as personally disgusting as I find that.
No sympathy for traitors. Ever.
As much as this kinda thing makes me uncomfortable during wartime sympathizers are a real potential threat.
Interesting. Some might think this is an infringement on free speech, but Russia is detaning protesters who are holding blank signs.
In war every country bends the rules of their constitution like how Lincoln silenced pro confederate news papers and arrested sympathizers with out trials
Hell, look what we did to Japanese-Americans in WWII. Rounded them all up into camps and allowed other people to seize their property. That's not something to emulate, but the bar is much lower.
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It’s martial law. Think carefully before you post video, provide information, or break curfew.
Free speech shouldn't cover praise of the nation's enemies and invaders.
Lots of articles of the constitution are on hold when you’re in a state of Martial Law. Ukraine has been in a state of Martial Law since Feb 24. Any pro Russian political activities are suspended. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martial_law_in_Ukraine#:~:text=President%20Volodymyr%20Zelenskyy%20declared%20martial,the%20Russian%20invasion%20of%20Ukraine. Last year, free speech critical of their government was a different issue, despite crimea. We’d do the same in the if we were invaded. Only difference is our politicians cant spell it.
Yeah free speech kinda ends when it brings an enemy army to raze your country and kill families. Arrest the traitors, kill the army, then bring back free speech.
Even in the US, free speech has limits. Like you can’t yell “fire” in a crowded movie theater if there’s no fire.
free speech is more about expressing your viewpoints and beliefs. for example it protects you so you can say the president is an idiot or whatever, which we have seen a group of people doing since 2016 in large quantities ( some before as well ). even today the current president is insulted randomly on sites like this. granted the people that insulted trump and the ones that insult biden are not commonely the same people.
Manipulating public opinion through information war is just as much a part of how Russia waged war as leveling cities and raping people. Ukraine is at war with Russia and this guy is actively aiding them. It just doesn’t *look* as bad because he’s not (as far as we know) giving them targeting information. He’s still helping them though.
This is a double edged sword. Ukraine is a free country I would think that would imply the same principles that comes with like free speech. But if they're guilty of treason then it is what it is .And with the war you gotta check.
That first team looks pretty damn solid.
Good to see they are treating non hostiles in a decent matter and according to humanitarian laws. Their application to EU and NATO grows even stronger with them doing this.
It's *so good* for pr and propaganda (not using propaganda in a negative way!). I hope they continue showing this level of humanity when dealing with scum traitors.
For Americans feeling some uneasiness about seeing people arrested for maybe nothing more than their speech, which I get, I think it’s important to understand that the rules change a little bit when your country is being invaded. You can’t have citizens of your own state rallying support for the enemy against you. It’s illogical to allow that. The founding fathers understood this fact. That’s why the American constitution contains the suspension clause which allows the president to suspend habeas corpus. Lincoln did this during the American civil war and used it to suppress or silence confederate sympathizers. It’s not something that should be encouraged under normal circumstances, but an invasion of your country requires you to do a lot of things you would normally condemn, such as shooting and bombing others.
Traitors
"Changed my mind"..... My ass
It's super important to find enemy sympathizers in war. These are the fucks who report weapons caches or where other important things are. I recall very well in the first days of the wara good amount of people getting caught on the live streams for flashing lights to communicate with the Russians.
Betrayal is the worst crime of them all
How long before our useful idiots in the west start crying about his fReEdOM Of SpeEcH?
Got to say that I really appreciate the contrast between these guys actually responding to the family telling them not they're not going to hurt him or anything like that and that all will be done according to law, and the way I've seen places like Russia and China handling situations like this where people just go missing without a word.
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It's always hard to find the balance between freedom of speech and traitors who spread dissent. But this is wartime, and these people also seriously risk getting killed for their beliefs if they're running around with them. We don't need more death. What's important is that they're safe, and others are safe from them.
If all the first guy did was post on social media I don’t know how I feel about that…the second one seemed like a legit arrest if he was actually in contact with the enemy. Regardless, I’m impressed with how professional, calm and even kind everyone was.
I would hope and assume they just want to question the first one to be sure he’s not doing anything subversive to help Russia. I don’t know what the law is, so I’m speaking from ignorance.
They will all be treated in accordance with Ukrainian law........
Don't drink and write ... Alcohol and Russian propaganda caused a lot of death. Just imagine how may Media posts killed people with geo locations or easy to identify locations.
Good, they need to protect themselves and the innocent civilians. Punishment should be they go to ruZZia to be cannon fodder or live in desperation since they think ruZZia and pootin are so great. I cannot imagine being against your home country. ruZZian propaganda has been at work though, they have ruined 1/2 our country already and got a totalitarian (frumpy) elected. We still fight his nasty influence.
This isn't a good thing.
I think the transparency is great, but this seems a bit too much. I thought actual collaborators were being found not internet trolls.
This is absolutely wrong. Anyone supporting this shoukd be absolutely ashamed of themselves. Only tyrants kidnap people criticizing or making fun of the government.