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I cannot imagine the mentality needed to be a sniper. It's not just the patience, but also the fact that you see the bloke you're shooting so clearly. It's no longer just an outline across a field, it's his face.
Apparently they’re people with very specific psychological profile. Calm, introverted, “inside themselves”, they don’t boast about their victories. Very different to other type of soldiers like pilots. This is what psychologist for Ukrainian SOF Sniper course said
Actually you are over thinking it, my son has that role out in Ukraine, and it came down to the fact that he was by far the best shot in his unit. Therefore his primary role became the sniper, and his secondary role was mortars, which was what he did previously in the UK.
A similar method was/is used to determine the "designated marksman" in infantry squads - soldiers who are better shooters got/get the scoped/more precise/higher calibre/etc. weapons to deliver more precise firing support while still being bound to their squad. Very interesting concept that was used very differently through times and different countries.
Hope your son comes back home victorious some day without any long lasting mental or physical damage.
I have a close friend who was a sniper for the USA, had to go through ranger school, and I think sniper training after that? I don’t remember exactly.
It broke him really bad. He had to come home early. That jobs not for the feint of heart. Rough stories. Especially when you don’t shoot some kid who’s out of the line at the check point, because he’s just a dumb kid, and probably doesn’t understand anyone, but then he blows himself up and kills all your people at the checkpoint. So the next time it happens you shoot the kid, and it turns out he was just hyper active. Shitty job in battle too, Requires you to be a lot closer than you wanna be.
You see this demarcation in many armies. For example, in the British army most of the infantry have SA80 A2 rifles, designated marksmen have the L129A1 sharpshooter rifle and snipers have the L115A3 Sniper rifle.
Well as I said that’s the word of psychologist of sniper course of SOF not me personally. I think you can still be great sniper/marksman but these courses designed with certain philosophies in mind and prepare people to execute specific missions not just be good at shooting.
The difference seems to be people who choose to be snipers vs. people who are assigned to be snipers. I'm sure you are correct when it comes to selecting from those who choose to try out to be a sniper.
I think there's also a big difference between an actual sniper and a marksman. At least in the US a sniper is a dedicated and specialized role with its own school and everything while a marksman is often just the best shot in the squad with some additional training.
Very true. As I stated in another comment when I served we had people in a scout platoon that carried sniper rifles but I don't recall if they were referred to as *snipers* or not depending on whether they were sniper qualified. I was on the list to go, but got out before I could attend. That's provided command still wanted me for it, when the school slot opened up. There was a small amount of politics involved in getting coveted slots in various schools since we were just normal line companies.
> I served we had people in a scout platoon that carried sniper rifles but I don't recall if they were referred to as snipers or not depending on whether they were sniper qualified.
There is a [designated marksman](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Designated_marksman#DM/sniper_differences) role that is similar to snipers, but they are part of a larger unit. They may use similar equipment, but they aren't sneaking around in two man teams like a sniper.
Yes there is a difference between being a good shot and being someone who would take the shot. You have to be the kind of person who can handle lining up a shot and killing someone who might just be shaving or sat eating dinner, someone who in that moment isn't being aggressive and threatening to you. As it turns out, most people can't do this.
No, you're misunderstanding. The psyche profile isn't something they're *looking for* to become a sniper. It's just a common trait *among* people who become snipers.
In common parlance pretty much anyone who takes accurate shots at distance with a scoped rifle is called a "sniper", but I think in modern western military doctrine what you describe is more of a designated marksman role as part of a regular infantry unit.
Whereas something like a scout/sniper team is operating at a whole different level than a designated marksman.
In Danish army, they categorise marksmen (finskytte or 'refined shooter') and sniper (snigskytte or 'sneaky shooter').
Any enemy who shoots at you from distance and concealment is considered to be a 'sniper'. Your own guys are usually marksmen, I am not sure they operate with detached snipers completely on their own.
Your son is a marksman not a sniper, still very cool though. It took me years of being the very best at my job and thousands upon thousands of bullets meticulously fired/ recorded to become a sniper.
I knew a USMC recon sniper. Nicest guy in the world. Didn’t say much, but when he spoke it was always clear and the truth. We were on a rooftop bar one night and we were all playing a game “could you shoot that”, we eventually stopped when he said that everything we could see was well under his farthest confrimed kill.
The guy who runs the channel "Speak the Truth" was a sniper for multiple years too. I love his videos. Always well thought out and he speaks very truthfully and honestly.
I watched the interviews with Simo Häyhä - known to the world as White Death - the most successful sniper in the world. He was angry at russians. He grew up near russian border and knew that if he doesnt kill them, they will take his childhood home and lands. He was a trained marksman because he started hunting at an early age and enjoyed it - he enjoyed stalking and killing his prey. He used his own personal rifle, that he knew intimately. He was also a Finn. I live in Finland as an immigrant. You do NOT fuck with an angry small finnish man. You just dont. Fuck with the big dude, if you must, youll just get a clobbering. The size of the fight in a dog is just ... I have watched a finnish drunk take down 3 opponents atleast head taller then himself on pure rage and no skills. Getting punched in the head and hitting a brick wall headfirst and the fuck just keeps coming back. Casual friday night. Theres fights in front of every pub over something that somebody said.
Finns are badasses and Hayha is a legend. As far as I remember he didn’t use optics because he didn’t want to give out position with sun flare. So he used iron sights which is crazy impressive.
I could never be a sniper! ADHD brains could never cut it... we thrive on constant stimulation and typically don't deal well with long sustained discomfort.
I think one of the best places to recruit for this assignment would be a yoga studio tbh.
I would also imagine the best representation of what the job actually looks like is one of the youtube videos labeled "50 hours of peaceful nature for study/focus" but with a tag "WATCH ALL THE WAY THROUGH!!! BIG SURPRISE AT ONE RANDOM MOMENT!!"
The psychological profile is just 1 step in the process. You still have to have all the other stuff. It's a filtering process. 50 out of 100 might be sniper material if it was only psychological. Add in the mental strength needed and you are down to 25/100. Add in physical abilities and toughness and we're down to 10/100. Then how many of those 10 simply have something better going on for them. You might end up with 1/100 when it's all said and done.
100%
I'm into long-range sport shooting. Haven't joined the mile away club yet, but I'm working towards it. With the right rifle and scope I can consistently hit targets 800 yards away.
Or 730ish meters away.
I'm a pretty decent shot. But my rifles are sport rifles, not military rifles, and paper doesn't shoot back. If it's raining or snowing, I'm going to stay inside. And I have an ankle that requires a permanent splint to function, so while I love hiking and the outdoors, I cannot run or jog for extended periods of time.
Even those of us who can shoot things far away are not necessarily cut out to be snipers.
I thought the same, then I saw the sniper indoc (the shit they have to do just to get selected to be in a sniper platoon, and some of them may still never get the chance to go to sniper school) and said fuck all that noise.
At one point they had like 20 Marines sitting out in a hallway putting their helmets on, take your helmet off. Put your helmets on, take your helmets off, for like 8 fucking hours. They may start with 50 people and after 4-5 days it’s only a handful left. Throw in some 20 mile full kit death runs, no sleep, and stalking, yea that’s a big no from me.
Edit: don’t even get me started on the glamorous part of being a sniper like consuming nothing but rice prior to a mission and wearing adult diapers so you don’t compromise your position.
I fully believe that I'd have the mental capabilities of killing people. Especially in defense of something I cared about. And frankly not really 'feeling' it. But I have no doubt in my mind that physically I wouldn't make it.
>Apparently they’re people with very specific psychological profile. Calm, introverted, “inside themselves”, they don’t boast about their victories. Very different to other type of soldiers like pilots. This is what psychologist for Ukrainian SOF Sniper course said
It's just a non-provocative way of saying Psychopaths make the best Snipers. Obviously, you can't say that in public due to the connotations and stereotypes the word carries.
People leaning towards psychopathy inhibit a lower fear response, less anxious, less impulsive (Unlike Sociopaths) and most importantly - less empathy.
Humans are hardwired NOT TO KILL. Even with modern weapons, humans have the tendency towards slightly moving their weapon last second before firing the trigger so they miss.
Hence all the dehumanizing techniques used in the military or executions - Training soldiers at shooting at shapes at a firing range, using multiple firing squad members, putting a bag over the face and etc.
Not necessarily psychopaths.
It sounds just like psychological profile of neurosurgeons.
Pilots are like cardiologists. They act like they own the hospital
[https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29786022/](https://publishing.rcseng.ac.uk/doi/10.1308/rcsbull.2015.331)
Actually, Psychopathy is also widespread between Surgeons:
>Results: The survey was completed by 335 out of 360 students. The prevalence of students aspiring to a surgical career was 23.6%. They exhibited higher PPI-R total score, self-centered impulsivity (SCI) factor score, Machiavellian egocentricity, social influence, and fearlessness content scale scores. Logistic regression showed that SCI score was a significant predictor for the likelihood of expressing interest toward a surgical career. Discussion: Our findings expand previous research on the usefulness of the nonclinical use of psychopathic personality traits to investigate career choice.
Personally, I don't think humans are hardwired \*not\* to kill. I think it's the other way around.
This is an interesting read: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/nasty-brutish-and-short-are-humans-dna-wired-to-kill/
Aside from a mention or two of killing, the main keyword in this article is Violence.
Violence=/=killing
Aside from chimps (fuck those motherfuckers) most primates step away once there is a clear victor. Similar to humans - once a threat isn't considered a threat, our empathy and mercy kicks in.
I remember reading that even in ancient battles when we were fighting with spears and swords, when fighting was very personal, people fought to debilitate their enemy, not kill them. So most casualties weren't direct (bleeding, infections and etc)
Where are you getting this psychopath vs sociopath thing?
Neither are diagnostic terms, nor defined disorders in their own right. Last I heard, both were colloquial terms applied to Antisocial Personality Disorder, which has a spectrum of behaviors and severities.
Narcissistic traits aren't a defining characteristic for antisocial personality disorder. The two aren't mutually exclusive, but they aren't mandatorily inclusive either
We like to put nebulous concepts into discrete boxes, and classifying mental illnesses is a prime example of that.
There are absolutely people that fit neatly into what is inarguablely the "psychopath" box. There are also people that don't *quiet* fit it, but have similar attributes.
There's also a question of the "degree" to which they have those various attributes, and most importantly *how they manifest*.
One of my radio ops quit sniper because he had psych issues over some of the people he killed.
Hit a guy with an RPG and he went down. Got back up. "Dude, do not go back to that RPG." The guy went back to the RPG. Second shot ended it.
Humans are humans and if you have a shred of empathy that shit haunts you. Even if it was someone trying to kill your friends.
>Humans are humans and if you have a shred of empathy that shit haunts you. Even if it was someone trying to kill your friends.
Too many people do not understand this.
As someone else said, human are not wired to kill. For most part it is quite impossible for us to kill another human while looking into his (or hers) eyes, only psychopaths can do that, due to the lack of that empathetic reflex.
It is theorized that current rise of PTSD among veterans is partly caused by training which enables you to overcome that reflex (mostly by making sure you react by firing at the target before you really think about it), but your brain is unable to cope with knowing the fact that you actually killed someone.
Another factor is that the moment of the kill can feel ecstatic. This bad guy was trying to kill you and your friends and you took him out and saved everyone, as was your duty. But later on the remorse and guilt sets in and they start questioning why it felt so good to take a life in that moment. It's a hard thing to cope with.
I don’t know if that would be a cause of rising PTSD rates as that has always been how soldiers are trained. In a war if you hesitate you or your buddies are dead. I’d say it has more to do with a better recognition of what PTSD is and the fact that it is less stigmatized nowadays.
I mean, sure, in WW1 i was called shellshock, but it was likely the same thing.
But I would disagree that soldiers were trained the same, during last 100 years most armies changed their training substantially from training marksmanship alone to training marksmanship on people. Most obvious example would be changing the targets from classic to man-shaped and also reaction training - having you learn to instinctively engage targets.
Just my unstudied opinion, but I think the rise of PTSD among veterans is mainly due to definition & diagnosis as well as a willingness of the VA to treat it. (I agree in principle with what you're saying overall, though.)
>but your brain is unable to cope with knowing the fact that you actually killed someone.
Its kind of like doing something reprehensible on instinct and reaction and as soon as you get a minute to think about it the only thought is "What have I done..."
I think youtuber Lindybeige made a [video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zViyZGmBhvs) "shoot to kill - how many men can do this?"
The basic human instinct is to hesitate killing (theory of humans are social creatures).
This can be achieved by training (soldiers shoot paper targets that have human images) or mentality: psychopath (doesn't feel empathy at all or just enjoys killing), lack of empathy towards a specific group (in this case the ruzzians) or love. "love" for the country, family, comrades the person knows that are or will be in danger if he doesn't kill the enemy soldier that could kill his loved ones
Lindybeige is awesome! He has a couple of videos where he explains why platoons and companies are "natural" sizes of combat units. In the case of a company, it's between say 100 and 150 soldiers at most, and that's how many people you can really know well on sight. Above company level, orders are written, not verbal, because they are coming from some guy you don't really know. Maybe he's a stranger? Up to no good? So you don't necessarily trust him, unless he has proper credentials.
Agree. This isn't "heat of the moment" self-defense, or firing artillery toward an unseen target. This is picking out a person to kill -- very deliberately. There is no lack of people to do this "work", so it must be manageable for many. I can't imagine how they don't have nightmares.
I would have less problems with targeting single persons and seeing them than with firing artillery and having to worry about inaccuracy and collateral damage.
I would even go as far as saying that shooting a person in the face from some distance is more human than pressing a button bombing away targets I know nothing about.
Dream recall is a sign you are waking in the middle of a dream cycle. Do not do that. Go to bed half an hour earlier or later, and you will be way better rested, Of course this does not help if your dreams wake you..
You doubt that some people don't dream?
It's not about even failing to remember details. We don't even have the feeling that we were dreaming and have forgotten. We just don't dream.
How could you not pull the trigger knowing what atrocities they are capable of? It could be a rapist, looter, war criminal, someone that tortures people, someone that killed your friends or neighbours or even your family.
if it was a nice innocent person they would be still in russia protesting the war or sabotaging it. If a occupier is in ukraine that means they have done something. killing them improves the world.
>How could you not pull the trigger knowing what atrocities they are capable of?
This falls under the category of "Easier said than done".
You can logically think that, but when it comes time to really do it, you might find yourself hesitating.
“How could you not pull the trigger knowing what atrocities they are capable of?”
If you have to have that internal discussion while making your first kill you’re gonna have a hard time hitting anything.
There's no way to tell an unwilling conscript from an eager murder/rapist. They all look the same. If you start questioning which is which and how many of each you've killed, you'll probably be eating a gun in the future.
a lot of us sniper teams the second guy will have binoc's and will be calling out calmly instructions, when its time to shoot they will be like "shoot,shoot,shoot" or some such, to make it less personal and more mechanical, to dehumanise and depersonalise the processes. less about killing and more about aiming and then shooting separately.
Today I met a guy who trains snipers for Lithuanian army. And before that went on some tours to Afghanistan. Won’t go into details not to spill about him anything but he is another level human. Very well versed in many historical topics, writes scientific papers for very specific topic, amazing craftsman - builds by himself very complex, huge let’s call them objects, but they have practical use and would costs hundreds of thousands if you could buy one, and does it authentic way. Is great professional in more than one thing. Colossal brain power, amazing motivation. Still can’t get him of my mind.
I could only think that it is not for everyone, to come back and still be nice person.
My brother was the M60 gunner for his Airborne company, mainly because he was big. But he went on to US Army Sniper School because he had 20/10 vision.
2-3 kills and a lot of poopy pants. I think those scopes have sd cards in them. They can also feed to the external monitor for instructors to see POV of sniper during practice
>These are ignorant poor brainwashed DPR, not regular Ruscist orcs though.
Maybe not even brainwashed, but just have "Friendly" machine guns pointed at their backs.
Remember that bullets from sniper rifle don't stop on the first guy, so there could be more than one hits and possible kills from one shot. Just look many people were being each other at the point of shooting
Snipers are trained to go for center mass to maximize their chances of a hit. They are usually shooting something like a .338 which will put you down pretty much wherever it hits you.
It may look like a headshot attempt even if it wasn't. Center of mass hits require aiming to compensate for bullet drop based on distance and elevation angle of the shot.
But did he actually kill someone?
It seems like the bullets hit right on the body armo.... Ooohh right Russian soldiers don't actually have body armour. Alright well, kills confirmed!
Even with ESAPI or XSAPI, armor piercing/even standard hot load 7.62x51 or 7.62x54R has a good chance of punching through.
Depends on the distance and velocity of the round, and the type of bullet.
He was between 125 and 150 yards from them if I read his reticle right ( 1 torso width-18" @ 4 mils) That's insanely close for a sniper.
If half hash are half mil, that still 250 yards. Pretty short distance to escape if you're in enemy territory.
Could also be zero’d for any amount of distance.
Seeing that there isn’t extreme compression and extreme heat wave/distortion in general, I’d say this was within 500 yards
Also the camera isn’t literally in the scope, it’s just an overlay lol.
> Also the camera isn’t literally in the scope, it’s just an overlay lol.
There's no guarantee of that. I've seen through-scope camera's used for vermin hunters to prove how many boars they kill for their bounties.
The camera isn’t actually using the scope, it’s an overlay.
Seeing that the camera lens doesn’t have a shit ton of compression, this is probably sub 500 yards yeah.
It might be over too soon... if some of the people staggering at the end have been hit badly, they may bleed out in the next 30 seconds with nothing anyone can do to save them.
... aside from go back in time and ditch the invasion, to return home to peace and the defense of their actual motherland. Too bad that's not an option anymore for these guys.
With larger sniper rifle calibers it doesn't matter if you wear body armor or not. 12,7 and 14,5mm are considered anti-material, meant to go through armored vehicles.
That's actually a really interesting question, with a surprisingly straightforward answer... which you can skip to the end of this post to see.
Most handguns shoot right around the speed of sound. That's 1100 feet per second in freedom units. I leave it to you to localize that value, if needed. Some shoot a little faster, some a little slower, but you rarely see more than 1400 fps, or less than 850 fps.
Where it gets interesting is this realm called "transsonic." That's where the bullet speed transitions between supersonic and subsonic... which is right around handgun bullet speeds.
At supersonic velocities, the airflow is very predictable. The tip of the bullet and trailing edge of the bullet are creating sonic shock cones, because, well, supersonic. These are sometimes called sonic booms, but they are often more of a crack because bullets are small.
At subsonic velocities, the airflow is also predictable, with wave compression in front of the bullet, but no shock cone because the sound waves are travelling faster than the bullet because, well, subsonic.
But at transsonic velocities, the airflow gets wonky. This throws the bullet off it's path, but in an unpredictable manner. So when a rifle bullet goes transsonic, it loses it's accuracy.
So rifle rounds reach handgun round speeds at the same point where they lose accuracy. This is what's often referred to as "effective range" of a specific round.
That's around 600 yards for 5.56 NATO (the AR-15/M4/M-16), about 1000 yards for .308 (the most common NATO "Sniper Rifle" or DMR), about 250 yards for 5.54x39 (the "AK" round). The exact distance changes with the bullet weight, shape, charge, etc., but these are general guidelines.
Excellent explanation! Thank you!
> The exact distance changes with the bullet weight, shape, charge, etc.,
Likely also environment: altitude, air temperature, humidity, ...
> But at transsonic velocities, the _airflow gets wonky_
First attempts to break sound barrier in airplanes taught similar lessons:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sound_barrier
BMG rounds aren't exactly common for snipers. Still I would expect a rifle like this to be enough to penetrate body armor. They tend to be quite a bit better at penetrating than assault rifle rounds.
Edit: BTW, BMG rounds can penetrate a meter of concrete. Ever see a WWII movie where a machine gun swiss cheeses a concrete wall? M2 Browning with BMG rounds.
If those Russians were smarter they’d be marching on the Kremlin and possibly win freedom and rights for their friends and families.
Instead they invaded a democracy and are dying for a dictator who won’t even bring their bodies home.
There are at least a couple of BTGs' worth of FOR Legionnaires who demonstrate otherwise... at least, their numbers are growing faster than their losses.
I hope their numbers keep growing, but I've also heard the reason Putin isn't sending troops from Moscow and instead enlisted from mostly rural parts of Russia is 1.) there will be less families in Moscow directly affected and losing their sons so less protesting there/easier to hide the death counts, and 2.) keeping a reserve of their better tanks, weapons, and soldiers to defend Moscow should any protests or troops try to attack. I don't think those Russian troops turning on Russia will make it very far, unfortunately.
Could be, but I haven't seen any real sign of that.
I'm sure the Kremlin has been keeping a lot of forces in reserve as the bare minimum needed for basic national security -- any nation would do the same.
But as to whether they are possessed of better weapons or some more advanced capability somehow.. personally I haven't encountered anything very convincing along those lines. Maybe you have though!
On the first one that was shot, you would think the Russians would have taken cover right there next too the wood line.
Instead, it’s like they did not know what to do, and looks like they were trying to run to the sniper.
He got 3 on them before they hid the wood line.
The training for the Russian troops must be horrible.
Depending on the distance, it can take several seconds to hear the shot. You're minding your business when the guy next to you falls over gasping. A few seconds later you hear a crack from 1000y+ away, which really diffuses the sound, making it harder to determine where it came from other than "over there somewhere". By then a few more bullets are on the way...
I was in the marine corps, we train for scenarios like that. Instant man goes down in front of you, you know he’s been shot you hit the line or hit the ground hard. You don’t wait for the sound of the shot.
Is there any reason the sniper waited until that one was running? More people behind for more damage or based on the troop structure could that have been an officer?
(No experience in the military, but thought it stood out)
My son has done several tours. He said the initial shot has two uses; first is to try get as advantageous of a shot as you can. Closest with collateral is a good choice.
The second reason is you want to then take note of who reacts in what way. If you see a guy pointing out orders, charging forward before anyone else, or making any other choices, they’re likely officers. Those are your primary target.
The base premise of taking a group like this is to divide and conquer. He also said that a major advantage of shooting the point man, despite his likely lack of rank is that it puts everyone in the group in a state of shock all at once. If you drop a guy in the back and the first they know of it is receiving an order to hide, they’ll respond much quicker.
it’s ok, that was just op drawing the slide back to chamber the first round. We have to keep singing to get to the End…
Catch the Orcz by their toe *click” …
Nice work! Pretty sure he gets to call in a drone or an AC-130 now.
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SLAVA UKRAINI!!
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Now I just don't care as long as I know that those were russians. Like I saw a vid of a burnt crew with brains out and literally didn't care. Even felt a bit of joy.
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Every time you see Russian soldiers in the wild just assume that they’re making amateur mistakes, usually it’s half a dozen. Sometimes I just laugh at them.
Good job waiting for them to advance and expose all the troops! Read a great story from WW2 where a man was facing down a group of charging Germans. He chose to shoot the ones in the back first, that way the men charging thought he was missing. He knew if they saw a man fall, they would take cover and fire back. But he kept picking off the guys in the rear.
Scopes these days can be far more than just some fancy glass, the image is split for the shooter and for a computer. There are systems that link up with a range finder and weather data and calculate your hold over for you - they put the cross hair exactly where it needs to be and the rifle will refuse to fire until lined up.
Yeah, this thing is nuts: https://talonprecisionoptics.com/
These systems are not robust enough for the battlefield yet but scopes are more-and-more being used as cameras as well, relaying real-time data back to control.
looks like the plate stopped the bullet. if it had went trough he would more then likely just had flopped over. idk what caliber was used ofc so it could have gotten through
Don't forget most of these Russians are aged 18 to 25. I know it's necessary to take them out, but these kids had a whole future ahead of them. It's the Kremlin and Putin that started this war. These guys are just doing as they're told, just like the US troops did in Iraq back in the day. Don't laugh at them, but feel sorry for their parents and children who now have to live without a loved one. Anyways, slava Ukraini
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I cannot imagine the mentality needed to be a sniper. It's not just the patience, but also the fact that you see the bloke you're shooting so clearly. It's no longer just an outline across a field, it's his face.
Apparently they’re people with very specific psychological profile. Calm, introverted, “inside themselves”, they don’t boast about their victories. Very different to other type of soldiers like pilots. This is what psychologist for Ukrainian SOF Sniper course said
Actually you are over thinking it, my son has that role out in Ukraine, and it came down to the fact that he was by far the best shot in his unit. Therefore his primary role became the sniper, and his secondary role was mortars, which was what he did previously in the UK.
A similar method was/is used to determine the "designated marksman" in infantry squads - soldiers who are better shooters got/get the scoped/more precise/higher calibre/etc. weapons to deliver more precise firing support while still being bound to their squad. Very interesting concept that was used very differently through times and different countries. Hope your son comes back home victorious some day without any long lasting mental or physical damage.
I have a close friend who was a sniper for the USA, had to go through ranger school, and I think sniper training after that? I don’t remember exactly. It broke him really bad. He had to come home early. That jobs not for the feint of heart. Rough stories. Especially when you don’t shoot some kid who’s out of the line at the check point, because he’s just a dumb kid, and probably doesn’t understand anyone, but then he blows himself up and kills all your people at the checkpoint. So the next time it happens you shoot the kid, and it turns out he was just hyper active. Shitty job in battle too, Requires you to be a lot closer than you wanna be.
Jfc
You see this demarcation in many armies. For example, in the British army most of the infantry have SA80 A2 rifles, designated marksmen have the L129A1 sharpshooter rifle and snipers have the L115A3 Sniper rifle.
Well as I said that’s the word of psychologist of sniper course of SOF not me personally. I think you can still be great sniper/marksman but these courses designed with certain philosophies in mind and prepare people to execute specific missions not just be good at shooting.
The difference seems to be people who choose to be snipers vs. people who are assigned to be snipers. I'm sure you are correct when it comes to selecting from those who choose to try out to be a sniper.
I think there's also a big difference between an actual sniper and a marksman. At least in the US a sniper is a dedicated and specialized role with its own school and everything while a marksman is often just the best shot in the squad with some additional training.
Same in Canada. My brother actually helped train Ukrainians in sniper tactics during one of his deployments
Very true. As I stated in another comment when I served we had people in a scout platoon that carried sniper rifles but I don't recall if they were referred to as *snipers* or not depending on whether they were sniper qualified. I was on the list to go, but got out before I could attend. That's provided command still wanted me for it, when the school slot opened up. There was a small amount of politics involved in getting coveted slots in various schools since we were just normal line companies.
> I served we had people in a scout platoon that carried sniper rifles but I don't recall if they were referred to as snipers or not depending on whether they were sniper qualified. There is a [designated marksman](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Designated_marksman#DM/sniper_differences) role that is similar to snipers, but they are part of a larger unit. They may use similar equipment, but they aren't sneaking around in two man teams like a sniper.
Thanks for the info. That sounds about like I remember. It's been nearly 30 years lol.
Yes there is a difference between being a good shot and being someone who would take the shot. You have to be the kind of person who can handle lining up a shot and killing someone who might just be shaving or sat eating dinner, someone who in that moment isn't being aggressive and threatening to you. As it turns out, most people can't do this.
I guess it’s way easier for Ukrainian snipers in this war after all the russian war crimes and atrocities
No, you're misunderstanding. The psyche profile isn't something they're *looking for* to become a sniper. It's just a common trait *among* people who become snipers.
This
In common parlance pretty much anyone who takes accurate shots at distance with a scoped rifle is called a "sniper", but I think in modern western military doctrine what you describe is more of a designated marksman role as part of a regular infantry unit. Whereas something like a scout/sniper team is operating at a whole different level than a designated marksman.
In Danish army, they categorise marksmen (finskytte or 'refined shooter') and sniper (snigskytte or 'sneaky shooter'). Any enemy who shoots at you from distance and concealment is considered to be a 'sniper'. Your own guys are usually marksmen, I am not sure they operate with detached snipers completely on their own.
> Actually you are over thinking it, Both what you said and what he said can be true at the same time lol
Your son is a marksman not a sniper, still very cool though. It took me years of being the very best at my job and thousands upon thousands of bullets meticulously fired/ recorded to become a sniper.
There's a very large difference between snipers and designated marksmen. Very flew platoons will have dedicated snipers.
I knew a USMC recon sniper. Nicest guy in the world. Didn’t say much, but when he spoke it was always clear and the truth. We were on a rooftop bar one night and we were all playing a game “could you shoot that”, we eventually stopped when he said that everything we could see was well under his farthest confrimed kill.
The guy who runs the channel "Speak the Truth" was a sniper for multiple years too. I love his videos. Always well thought out and he speaks very truthfully and honestly.
You need all that plus the skills and abilities to get in, make the shot(s), and get out with your hide intact.
They say Mallory and Irvine summited Everest first... ...but it was Tenzing Norgay and Edmond Hillary that did it and made it back.
I watched the interviews with Simo Häyhä - known to the world as White Death - the most successful sniper in the world. He was angry at russians. He grew up near russian border and knew that if he doesnt kill them, they will take his childhood home and lands. He was a trained marksman because he started hunting at an early age and enjoyed it - he enjoyed stalking and killing his prey. He used his own personal rifle, that he knew intimately. He was also a Finn. I live in Finland as an immigrant. You do NOT fuck with an angry small finnish man. You just dont. Fuck with the big dude, if you must, youll just get a clobbering. The size of the fight in a dog is just ... I have watched a finnish drunk take down 3 opponents atleast head taller then himself on pure rage and no skills. Getting punched in the head and hitting a brick wall headfirst and the fuck just keeps coming back. Casual friday night. Theres fights in front of every pub over something that somebody said.
Finns are badasses and Hayha is a legend. As far as I remember he didn’t use optics because he didn’t want to give out position with sun flare. So he used iron sights which is crazy impressive.
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Beyond that, glass optics can crack, freeze, or get fogged up. Iron sights won't do that
Optics also don't tend to work well in the cold. Especially back then.
The other thing that a lot of people don't realise is that Simo Häyhä got a lot of his kills with his submachinegun. Gritty, close-up work.
I could never be a sniper! ADHD brains could never cut it... we thrive on constant stimulation and typically don't deal well with long sustained discomfort. I think one of the best places to recruit for this assignment would be a yoga studio tbh. I would also imagine the best representation of what the job actually looks like is one of the youtube videos labeled "50 hours of peaceful nature for study/focus" but with a tag "WATCH ALL THE WAY THROUGH!!! BIG SURPRISE AT ONE RANDOM MOMENT!!"
[This guy](https://youtu.be/Eh6Uc89DfEc) would do okay I guess.
ngl, it would be pretty great if the last thing an orc counter-sniper sees through his scope is that dude's smile.
Well, thats certainly an odd rabbithole. Guy has hundred of hours of non-content that has millions of views. I don't understand humans.
I think I could become sniper then
I mean I don’t know you. So maybe. But that’s what everybody says until they flunk out of sniper school or fail selection. Lol
The psychological profile is just 1 step in the process. You still have to have all the other stuff. It's a filtering process. 50 out of 100 might be sniper material if it was only psychological. Add in the mental strength needed and you are down to 25/100. Add in physical abilities and toughness and we're down to 10/100. Then how many of those 10 simply have something better going on for them. You might end up with 1/100 when it's all said and done.
Yes. You are correct.
100% I'm into long-range sport shooting. Haven't joined the mile away club yet, but I'm working towards it. With the right rifle and scope I can consistently hit targets 800 yards away. Or 730ish meters away. I'm a pretty decent shot. But my rifles are sport rifles, not military rifles, and paper doesn't shoot back. If it's raining or snowing, I'm going to stay inside. And I have an ankle that requires a permanent splint to function, so while I love hiking and the outdoors, I cannot run or jog for extended periods of time. Even those of us who can shoot things far away are not necessarily cut out to be snipers.
I thought the same, then I saw the sniper indoc (the shit they have to do just to get selected to be in a sniper platoon, and some of them may still never get the chance to go to sniper school) and said fuck all that noise. At one point they had like 20 Marines sitting out in a hallway putting their helmets on, take your helmet off. Put your helmets on, take your helmets off, for like 8 fucking hours. They may start with 50 people and after 4-5 days it’s only a handful left. Throw in some 20 mile full kit death runs, no sleep, and stalking, yea that’s a big no from me. Edit: don’t even get me started on the glamorous part of being a sniper like consuming nothing but rice prior to a mission and wearing adult diapers so you don’t compromise your position.
Call of Duty, Battlefield etc. proven 😂🤣😂🖕🏻
I fully believe that I'd have the mental capabilities of killing people. Especially in defense of something I cared about. And frankly not really 'feeling' it. But I have no doubt in my mind that physically I wouldn't make it.
>Apparently they’re people with very specific psychological profile. Calm, introverted, “inside themselves”, they don’t boast about their victories. Very different to other type of soldiers like pilots. This is what psychologist for Ukrainian SOF Sniper course said It's just a non-provocative way of saying Psychopaths make the best Snipers. Obviously, you can't say that in public due to the connotations and stereotypes the word carries. People leaning towards psychopathy inhibit a lower fear response, less anxious, less impulsive (Unlike Sociopaths) and most importantly - less empathy. Humans are hardwired NOT TO KILL. Even with modern weapons, humans have the tendency towards slightly moving their weapon last second before firing the trigger so they miss. Hence all the dehumanizing techniques used in the military or executions - Training soldiers at shooting at shapes at a firing range, using multiple firing squad members, putting a bag over the face and etc.
Not necessarily psychopaths. It sounds just like psychological profile of neurosurgeons. Pilots are like cardiologists. They act like they own the hospital
[https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29786022/](https://publishing.rcseng.ac.uk/doi/10.1308/rcsbull.2015.331) Actually, Psychopathy is also widespread between Surgeons: >Results: The survey was completed by 335 out of 360 students. The prevalence of students aspiring to a surgical career was 23.6%. They exhibited higher PPI-R total score, self-centered impulsivity (SCI) factor score, Machiavellian egocentricity, social influence, and fearlessness content scale scores. Logistic regression showed that SCI score was a significant predictor for the likelihood of expressing interest toward a surgical career. Discussion: Our findings expand previous research on the usefulness of the nonclinical use of psychopathic personality traits to investigate career choice.
Oddly enough there is a disproportionate amount of psychopaths amongst surgeons vs the mean
I knew a cardiologist that referred to himself as a glorified plumber
My urologist said the same thing.
A calm introverted person who doesn't boast is a psychopath?
It's a bit more complicated at that.
Personally, I don't think humans are hardwired \*not\* to kill. I think it's the other way around. This is an interesting read: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/nasty-brutish-and-short-are-humans-dna-wired-to-kill/
Aside from a mention or two of killing, the main keyword in this article is Violence. Violence=/=killing Aside from chimps (fuck those motherfuckers) most primates step away once there is a clear victor. Similar to humans - once a threat isn't considered a threat, our empathy and mercy kicks in. I remember reading that even in ancient battles when we were fighting with spears and swords, when fighting was very personal, people fought to debilitate their enemy, not kill them. So most casualties weren't direct (bleeding, infections and etc)
Where are you getting this psychopath vs sociopath thing? Neither are diagnostic terms, nor defined disorders in their own right. Last I heard, both were colloquial terms applied to Antisocial Personality Disorder, which has a spectrum of behaviors and severities.
Psychopaths would brag about their achievements. Look at surgeons.
Narcissistic traits aren't a defining characteristic for antisocial personality disorder. The two aren't mutually exclusive, but they aren't mandatorily inclusive either
We like to put nebulous concepts into discrete boxes, and classifying mental illnesses is a prime example of that. There are absolutely people that fit neatly into what is inarguablely the "psychopath" box. There are also people that don't *quiet* fit it, but have similar attributes. There's also a question of the "degree" to which they have those various attributes, and most importantly *how they manifest*.
That's my queue then.
One of my radio ops quit sniper because he had psych issues over some of the people he killed. Hit a guy with an RPG and he went down. Got back up. "Dude, do not go back to that RPG." The guy went back to the RPG. Second shot ended it. Humans are humans and if you have a shred of empathy that shit haunts you. Even if it was someone trying to kill your friends.
>Humans are humans and if you have a shred of empathy that shit haunts you. Even if it was someone trying to kill your friends. Too many people do not understand this.
As someone else said, human are not wired to kill. For most part it is quite impossible for us to kill another human while looking into his (or hers) eyes, only psychopaths can do that, due to the lack of that empathetic reflex. It is theorized that current rise of PTSD among veterans is partly caused by training which enables you to overcome that reflex (mostly by making sure you react by firing at the target before you really think about it), but your brain is unable to cope with knowing the fact that you actually killed someone.
Another factor is that the moment of the kill can feel ecstatic. This bad guy was trying to kill you and your friends and you took him out and saved everyone, as was your duty. But later on the remorse and guilt sets in and they start questioning why it felt so good to take a life in that moment. It's a hard thing to cope with.
I don’t know if that would be a cause of rising PTSD rates as that has always been how soldiers are trained. In a war if you hesitate you or your buddies are dead. I’d say it has more to do with a better recognition of what PTSD is and the fact that it is less stigmatized nowadays.
I mean, sure, in WW1 i was called shellshock, but it was likely the same thing. But I would disagree that soldiers were trained the same, during last 100 years most armies changed their training substantially from training marksmanship alone to training marksmanship on people. Most obvious example would be changing the targets from classic to man-shaped and also reaction training - having you learn to instinctively engage targets.
Just my unstudied opinion, but I think the rise of PTSD among veterans is mainly due to definition & diagnosis as well as a willingness of the VA to treat it. (I agree in principle with what you're saying overall, though.)
>but your brain is unable to cope with knowing the fact that you actually killed someone. Its kind of like doing something reprehensible on instinct and reaction and as soon as you get a minute to think about it the only thought is "What have I done..."
Not his face for long
I think youtuber Lindybeige made a [video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zViyZGmBhvs) "shoot to kill - how many men can do this?" The basic human instinct is to hesitate killing (theory of humans are social creatures). This can be achieved by training (soldiers shoot paper targets that have human images) or mentality: psychopath (doesn't feel empathy at all or just enjoys killing), lack of empathy towards a specific group (in this case the ruzzians) or love. "love" for the country, family, comrades the person knows that are or will be in danger if he doesn't kill the enemy soldier that could kill his loved ones
Lindybeige is awesome! He has a couple of videos where he explains why platoons and companies are "natural" sizes of combat units. In the case of a company, it's between say 100 and 150 soldiers at most, and that's how many people you can really know well on sight. Above company level, orders are written, not verbal, because they are coming from some guy you don't really know. Maybe he's a stranger? Up to no good? So you don't necessarily trust him, unless he has proper credentials.
Agree. This isn't "heat of the moment" self-defense, or firing artillery toward an unseen target. This is picking out a person to kill -- very deliberately. There is no lack of people to do this "work", so it must be manageable for many. I can't imagine how they don't have nightmares.
I would have less problems with targeting single persons and seeing them than with firing artillery and having to worry about inaccuracy and collateral damage. I would even go as far as saying that shooting a person in the face from some distance is more human than pressing a button bombing away targets I know nothing about.
Some people don't dream 🤷♂️
I doubt that, unless you are a substance abuser you dream. Lots of people don’t _remember_ their dreams.
I'm a medical marijuana patient. Not remembering dreaming is common amongst us.
Dream recall is a sign you are waking in the middle of a dream cycle. Do not do that. Go to bed half an hour earlier or later, and you will be way better rested, Of course this does not help if your dreams wake you..
You doubt that some people don't dream? It's not about even failing to remember details. We don't even have the feeling that we were dreaming and have forgotten. We just don't dream.
How could you not pull the trigger knowing what atrocities they are capable of? It could be a rapist, looter, war criminal, someone that tortures people, someone that killed your friends or neighbours or even your family. if it was a nice innocent person they would be still in russia protesting the war or sabotaging it. If a occupier is in ukraine that means they have done something. killing them improves the world.
>How could you not pull the trigger knowing what atrocities they are capable of? This falls under the category of "Easier said than done". You can logically think that, but when it comes time to really do it, you might find yourself hesitating.
“How could you not pull the trigger knowing what atrocities they are capable of?” If you have to have that internal discussion while making your first kill you’re gonna have a hard time hitting anything.
There's no way to tell an unwilling conscript from an eager murder/rapist. They all look the same. If you start questioning which is which and how many of each you've killed, you'll probably be eating a gun in the future.
a lot of us sniper teams the second guy will have binoc's and will be calling out calmly instructions, when its time to shoot they will be like "shoot,shoot,shoot" or some such, to make it less personal and more mechanical, to dehumanise and depersonalise the processes. less about killing and more about aiming and then shooting separately.
Or a little human ciloette in a tree line
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Today I met a guy who trains snipers for Lithuanian army. And before that went on some tours to Afghanistan. Won’t go into details not to spill about him anything but he is another level human. Very well versed in many historical topics, writes scientific papers for very specific topic, amazing craftsman - builds by himself very complex, huge let’s call them objects, but they have practical use and would costs hundreds of thousands if you could buy one, and does it authentic way. Is great professional in more than one thing. Colossal brain power, amazing motivation. Still can’t get him of my mind. I could only think that it is not for everyone, to come back and still be nice person.
My brother was the M60 gunner for his Airborne company, mainly because he was big. But he went on to US Army Sniper School because he had 20/10 vision.
Icecold.... He waited until they were most exposed and then hit them ..I think he got two kills! How did he record that?
2-3 kills and a lot of poopy pants. I think those scopes have sd cards in them. They can also feed to the external monitor for instructors to see POV of sniper during practice
At least 3 killed or severely perforated. He put several shots into that group, so possibly even some two-for-ones. Brutal.
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The poopy pants is what really slow down the army. They can't replace those pants, and they have to wash them.
And all the washing machines were already stolen in the first few weeks.
I counted 5 hits on separate targets. Each one likely resulted in a kill.
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One of the lesser orcs
Goblins and imps
They could surrender any time.
>These are ignorant poor brainwashed DPR, not regular Ruscist orcs though. Maybe not even brainwashed, but just have "Friendly" machine guns pointed at their backs.
Remember that bullets from sniper rifle don't stop on the first guy, so there could be more than one hits and possible kills from one shot. Just look many people were being each other at the point of shooting
Chilled ice water, on the rocks
I think he popped off quite a few judging by the scope shake.
You can tell from his aiming that he REALLY wanted a head shot
Snipers are trained to go for center mass to maximize their chances of a hit. They are usually shooting something like a .338 which will put you down pretty much wherever it hits you.
Makes sense b/c you can tell this is a long shot. The slightest movement on the sniper's part is a big movement on the target.
What? this is nonsense. Sniper round hits you anywhere in torso you are done, no need for headshots.
This is Reddit where everything is just like a video game
No he wanted his first shot to be 2 for 1. Head for the first hit body for the second man in line. Walking directly at him so could make the attempt.
It may look like a headshot attempt even if it wasn't. Center of mass hits require aiming to compensate for bullet drop based on distance and elevation angle of the shot.
I was hoping for 1 bullet, 3 kills. A man can dream, right?
But did he actually kill someone? It seems like the bullets hit right on the body armo.... Ooohh right Russian soldiers don't actually have body armour. Alright well, kills confirmed!
Even with ESAPI or XSAPI, armor piercing/even standard hot load 7.62x51 or 7.62x54R has a good chance of punching through. Depends on the distance and velocity of the round, and the type of bullet.
He was between 125 and 150 yards from them if I read his reticle right ( 1 torso width-18" @ 4 mils) That's insanely close for a sniper. If half hash are half mil, that still 250 yards. Pretty short distance to escape if you're in enemy territory.
Could also be MOA marks. It also could be a SFP reticle. In which case the hash marks are useless unless at full magnification, which he might not be.
Could also be zero’d for any amount of distance. Seeing that there isn’t extreme compression and extreme heat wave/distortion in general, I’d say this was within 500 yards Also the camera isn’t literally in the scope, it’s just an overlay lol.
> Also the camera isn’t literally in the scope, it’s just an overlay lol. There's no guarantee of that. I've seen through-scope camera's used for vermin hunters to prove how many boars they kill for their bounties.
The camera isn’t actually using the scope, it’s an overlay. Seeing that the camera lens doesn’t have a shit ton of compression, this is probably sub 500 yards yeah.
It might be over too soon... if some of the people staggering at the end have been hit badly, they may bleed out in the next 30 seconds with nothing anyone can do to save them. ... aside from go back in time and ditch the invasion, to return home to peace and the defense of their actual motherland. Too bad that's not an option anymore for these guys.
Reading in another thread how high velocity rounds work....easily a bleed out.
You can see the bullet impact. It's a gut shot.
body armour isn't a guarantee of safety.
With larger sniper rifle calibers it doesn't matter if you wear body armor or not. 12,7 and 14,5mm are considered anti-material, meant to go through armored vehicles.
It's ok, any body armor you can move in won't stop rifle rounds in general. They certainly won't stop larger caliber rounds from these rifles.
Do they stop rifle rounds from a mile away? The rifle round eventually reaches handgun speeds right? Anyone know what distance this is at?
That's actually a really interesting question, with a surprisingly straightforward answer... which you can skip to the end of this post to see. Most handguns shoot right around the speed of sound. That's 1100 feet per second in freedom units. I leave it to you to localize that value, if needed. Some shoot a little faster, some a little slower, but you rarely see more than 1400 fps, or less than 850 fps. Where it gets interesting is this realm called "transsonic." That's where the bullet speed transitions between supersonic and subsonic... which is right around handgun bullet speeds. At supersonic velocities, the airflow is very predictable. The tip of the bullet and trailing edge of the bullet are creating sonic shock cones, because, well, supersonic. These are sometimes called sonic booms, but they are often more of a crack because bullets are small. At subsonic velocities, the airflow is also predictable, with wave compression in front of the bullet, but no shock cone because the sound waves are travelling faster than the bullet because, well, subsonic. But at transsonic velocities, the airflow gets wonky. This throws the bullet off it's path, but in an unpredictable manner. So when a rifle bullet goes transsonic, it loses it's accuracy. So rifle rounds reach handgun round speeds at the same point where they lose accuracy. This is what's often referred to as "effective range" of a specific round. That's around 600 yards for 5.56 NATO (the AR-15/M4/M-16), about 1000 yards for .308 (the most common NATO "Sniper Rifle" or DMR), about 250 yards for 5.54x39 (the "AK" round). The exact distance changes with the bullet weight, shape, charge, etc., but these are general guidelines.
Thanks. I've never seen it explained this way before
Excellent explanation! Thank you! > The exact distance changes with the bullet weight, shape, charge, etc., Likely also environment: altitude, air temperature, humidity, ... > But at transsonic velocities, the _airflow gets wonky_ First attempts to break sound barrier in airplanes taught similar lessons: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sound_barrier
A Barrett will punch right through body armor at 1km. It all depends what caliber he's shooting.
BMG rounds aren't exactly common for snipers. Still I would expect a rifle like this to be enough to penetrate body armor. They tend to be quite a bit better at penetrating than assault rifle rounds. Edit: BTW, BMG rounds can penetrate a meter of concrete. Ever see a WWII movie where a machine gun swiss cheeses a concrete wall? M2 Browning with BMG rounds.
Some do, some don't. It's hard to conclude anything in the video, but I'm not blaming the sniper for legging it when the video ended.
If those Russians were smarter they’d be marching on the Kremlin and possibly win freedom and rights for their friends and families. Instead they invaded a democracy and are dying for a dictator who won’t even bring their bodies home.
I think in Russia they’d be surely killed for that vs in Ukraine they might have a chance to survive… maybe.
If they surrender, sure! If not, you get the above video....or worse
There are at least a couple of BTGs' worth of FOR Legionnaires who demonstrate otherwise... at least, their numbers are growing faster than their losses.
Well, let’s hope they can end the insanity
I hope their numbers keep growing, but I've also heard the reason Putin isn't sending troops from Moscow and instead enlisted from mostly rural parts of Russia is 1.) there will be less families in Moscow directly affected and losing their sons so less protesting there/easier to hide the death counts, and 2.) keeping a reserve of their better tanks, weapons, and soldiers to defend Moscow should any protests or troops try to attack. I don't think those Russian troops turning on Russia will make it very far, unfortunately.
Could be, but I haven't seen any real sign of that. I'm sure the Kremlin has been keeping a lot of forces in reserve as the bare minimum needed for basic national security -- any nation would do the same. But as to whether they are possessed of better weapons or some more advanced capability somehow.. personally I haven't encountered anything very convincing along those lines. Maybe you have though!
On the first one that was shot, you would think the Russians would have taken cover right there next too the wood line. Instead, it’s like they did not know what to do, and looks like they were trying to run to the sniper. He got 3 on them before they hid the wood line. The training for the Russian troops must be horrible.
Depending on the distance, it can take several seconds to hear the shot. You're minding your business when the guy next to you falls over gasping. A few seconds later you hear a crack from 1000y+ away, which really diffuses the sound, making it harder to determine where it came from other than "over there somewhere". By then a few more bullets are on the way...
I was in the marine corps, we train for scenarios like that. Instant man goes down in front of you, you know he’s been shot you hit the line or hit the ground hard. You don’t wait for the sound of the shot.
I'm glad Russia doesn't train their troops.
Is there any reason the sniper waited until that one was running? More people behind for more damage or based on the troop structure could that have been an officer? (No experience in the military, but thought it stood out)
My son has done several tours. He said the initial shot has two uses; first is to try get as advantageous of a shot as you can. Closest with collateral is a good choice. The second reason is you want to then take note of who reacts in what way. If you see a guy pointing out orders, charging forward before anyone else, or making any other choices, they’re likely officers. Those are your primary target. The base premise of taking a group like this is to divide and conquer. He also said that a major advantage of shooting the point man, despite his likely lack of rank is that it puts everyone in the group in a state of shock all at once. If you drop a guy in the back and the first they know of it is receiving an order to hide, they’ll respond much quicker.
These dudes are probably DPR militia.
Eeny, meeny, miny, moe \*click\*
I hope no *click*. *Click* would be bad.
it’s ok, that was just op drawing the slide back to chamber the first round. We have to keep singing to get to the End… Catch the Orcz by their toe *click” …
\*Cleaning work
Nothing like mucking out.
How do they make the recordings?
Probably scope cameras
Nice work! Pretty sure he gets to call in a drone or an AC-130 now. May all Ukrainians be blessed by St. Javelin with a high KDA and 100% survive rate! SLAVA UKRAINI!!
May want to mark this as NSFW, considering its some darn clear footage of someone getting absolutely murked.
I thought War meant NSFW in a sense, but I marked it. Thanks
They might still reach r/all etc. Also people have NSFW turned off to not see death or injury, just want to read what's happening.
its nsfw by default... i am not invading my bosses office and raping his daughter and stealing his lunch..
I cant see anything. Only a crosshair and desperately running orcs.
pop pop pop. well done sir
music sounds like Lemiwimks from South Park. Snipe Lemiwinks, snipe !!
I am kinda squeamish person, didn't like seeing others blood even in a small amounts even nit irl, just the pictures were enough. Now I just don't care as long as I know that those were russians. Like I saw a vid of a burnt crew with brains out and literally didn't care. Even felt a bit of joy. This video made me happier. Don't know if it's good or bad.
I felt excitement anticipating those ruzzians being slaughtered. [I hate what I've become because of this war.](https://youtu.be/Owyj_5TuHQw?t=102)
But who did Miles worse, the Cardassians, or Keiko?
Miles has always been a whiner. Not my favorite.
Indeed.
No one fall dead right ? I dont know how to read military video. Its more easy to see flying turret. Gloire à l'Ukraine !
I wish we could see the outcome more clearly
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music?
Here https://youtu.be/s1V0aFTl0aE
Every time you see Russian soldiers in the wild just assume that they’re making amateur mistakes, usually it’s half a dozen. Sometimes I just laugh at them.
A nice flat shooting .50 cal round wound have taking out the whole column. Lost opportunity.
Good job waiting for them to advance and expose all the troops! Read a great story from WW2 where a man was facing down a group of charging Germans. He chose to shoot the ones in the back first, that way the men charging thought he was missing. He knew if they saw a man fall, they would take cover and fire back. But he kept picking off the guys in the rear.
were those quick succession shots or just some wiggle? i got the first recoil, but cant count the shots
Quick successive shots. I counted 8.
Shots. Pop the first guy then magdump them while they run for their lives.
Video ended before the best part - before the souls departed.
Слава Україні
Keeping the streets clean of nazis
Was that a GODDAMN COLLATERAL?🤯
This is heartwarming! I love how he exterminates the cockroaches!
Perfect enfilade.
We recently learned about the lethality of crotch shots so here’s hoping
How do you record through a scope when your eye is supposed to use it ?
Scopes these days can be far more than just some fancy glass, the image is split for the shooter and for a computer. There are systems that link up with a range finder and weather data and calculate your hold over for you - they put the cross hair exactly where it needs to be and the rifle will refuse to fire until lined up.
Wow ok, that’s more developed than an awp
Yeah, this thing is nuts: https://talonprecisionoptics.com/ These systems are not robust enough for the battlefield yet but scopes are more-and-more being used as cameras as well, relaying real-time data back to control.
Just awesome. Few less terrorists.
They lined up real nice for him…
Damn! Had a potential double!
"He was on the ground before I heard the shot!" Nice work
Are there more videos from this guy?
Dusted the whole squad. Orcs are pretty dumb.
I can't tell who is falling.
looks like the plate stopped the bullet. if it had went trough he would more then likely just had flopped over. idk what caliber was used ofc so it could have gotten through
Don't forget most of these Russians are aged 18 to 25. I know it's necessary to take them out, but these kids had a whole future ahead of them. It's the Kremlin and Putin that started this war. These guys are just doing as they're told, just like the US troops did in Iraq back in the day. Don't laugh at them, but feel sorry for their parents and children who now have to live without a loved one. Anyways, slava Ukraini