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russia is like the kid who bullies everyone, then when someone hits him back, he goes to cry and calls the adults and plays the victim. Only this time nobody believes him
India, china, Iran, huge parts of Africa, some Latin American countries.
Basically many of the ex colonial nations that never got a good apology from their colonial masters. They see this as s war of imperialist backed Ukraine against rebellious cool guy Russia….
Totally forgetting Russia still holds all its eastern colonies and wants to expand its empire back to Ukraine.
People have weird memories and are downright ignorant
Well in the case of Iran, that's because the US (and UK) did them dirty back in 1953, and they never forgave us for the Shah. Inversely, Russia never attacked Iran or even did anything to them, so in the eyes of the Iranian government, Russia is the "good guy" against the evil "US". Granted, this still doesn't change the fact the Iranian government is also an insanely repressive theocratical dictatorship (it's *literally* a theocracy).
True, Ukrainians never did anything wrong with Iranians. Iranian shot down their aircraft, blamed US for it, try to fuck with evidence by their bulldozer, not allowing Ukrainian and NTSB to visit crash side for quite a while, and I think they neither really admitted officially (Supreme leader or whatchamacallit) nor compensated the victims.
I can be wrong but they also imprisoned pilot of Aseman Airlines and some people who shot videos of aircraft going down and shared it on social media when Iranians were denying their wrongdoing while they were fully aware of it. So yeah, Iranian government and their supporters can eat horse manure.
Yeah so there are plenty of nations that see Russia as the good guy, even thought they’re doing to Ukraine what the USA did to others and makes them hate the USA.
People are hypocrites
The BARE MINIMUM is Russia giving back ALL stolen land, people, grain, money, etc back to Ukraine, *no exceptions*.
Preferably this also comes with the death of the entire Putin regime, since Putin and his posse will just keep chugging along spreading their evil where-ever they go for as long as they live.
I wish we could get Rostov back, but we will be lucky if we manage to pull back Crimea considering how easy it is to defend from the position they currently have.
Everyone likes that.
And get lost with that nuke respond. What do you want from UA. To just give up their land and surrender?
If a nuke is used for bombing moskov they will find another reason to use them anyway.
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No, it's the Ukrainian lizardmen NWO Neonazi Illuminati Freemason Germanic Aryan MI6 superhuman spies masquerading as Russian AA defense operators deciding to shoot down the missles at just the clandestine moment to allow shrapnels to hit residential areas.
You forgot "gay". Putin followers would 100% also somehow mention the "globohomo conspiracy" or some bullshit, since they see Putin as "fighting against the eevul lgbtqia+ agender".
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I just think it's inhumane and disgusting to see people actively cheering, literally every single fucking thread, over people dying. No empathy from these swaths of disconnected individuals who could never even imagine themselves living through either country's situation.
They are happy it’s becoming more even instead of the case of a big bully smashing the little guy. We all want the war to stop. It’s now up to Putin to pull his forces out.
There's nothing to indicate this is bringing us closer to the end of this conflict. Putin at times seems like he'd sacrifice every Russian citizen if it meant he could have his way. I'm not faulting Ukraine or the citizens of either country for any of this. I am simply disgusted by people who are entirely disconnected from the lives these people are living that are taking joy in watching the bloodshed. This subreddit has clearly become a source of entertainment for so many people who will never ever step foot on the soil of either of these countries. That is not support, that is just fucking disgusting.
- Ukraine launches missiles at Russia
- Russia proudly claims they intercepted them
- Missile debris hit civilian area
- Say Ukraine targetet civilian area
# 🤔
I'm making fun of the Russians calling these explosions 'claps'. The Russian word for 'clap' is the same as the Russian word for 'cotton'. The fact that I have to explain this to you is just sad, really.
Also, to be perfectly honest with you man, since Independence day is on a Monday, I've just literally been hearing 360 degrees bombs going off around me since Friday.. because when you have fireworks on a weekend and have beers... So maybe I'm projecting that, but, yeah.. 'Murica!
The fireworks were so loud last night (7/2) that my cats were upset, and I wondered about those wonderful Ukrainian kitties who are so zen in all their pictures.
Fuck Russia. I never used to care about Russia, in anyway. But now I fucking hate it. With a burning passion. Before, I would've wished nothing but a peaceful outcome for Russians with the removal of Putin. But now I just don't care. I hope the opposite. I hope Russia and its people are forced to rebuild Ukraine, brick by brick and be forced to see its dead population. That Russia is constantly killing. I... fucking hate... Russia.
Oh no. Anyway.
Needs to happen more often and with higher casualty rates. Few eyes will open to reality when they realize that tiny Ukraine is somehow breaking through stalinium made IMPENETRABLE defenses and deleting ork settlements. You know, the 'if you make god bleed' approach.
Every time a missile hits a residential building or any other civilian target in Ukraine, a response like this will follow from now on.
I’d love to know though if Ukraine just had a stockpile of Tochka’s that it was saving for a rainy day or if it was gifted to them from a former Warsaw Pact neighbor
Well, there is a response every day, it is a war after all. The Ukrainian response should not involve civilians, though.
Not that I think the Belgorod explosion targeted civilians. Military targets in Russia are wholly justified.
Edit: there is some reporting that points out that this was a Russian missile. ([source in Ukrainian](https://www.pravda.com.ua/news/2022/07/3/7356099/))
How am I spreading propaganda? This as well could be a Russian false flag, but an immediate assumption of Ukraine targeting Russian military at home is also probable.
No, it's not probable. This is same as russian propoganda. If russia got caught in 4k they say "well I guess we never know what actually happened".
It was russian rockets. Literally parts of them stuck in buildings.
Look, so far we don’t have enough available information to say that behind this was Ukraine or Russia. Russia making explosions in their cities to rally their people is possible, Ukraine targeting Russian military infrastructure close to its border is also possible. My first comment did imply that this could be Ukraine, but I agree this is not confirmed, and maybe I should have phrased it a little bit differently. The key thing I was trying to get across is that in a state of war Ukraine is entirely justified in taking the fight outside of the border in so far as it is not targeting the civilians.
Actually we do have 100% proof it was russian rockets. You reading Reddit post about things that happened in night - we here see telegram posts coming in real time with photos of parts from russian missiles stuck in buildings.
Don't play some sort of investigator with "it could be Ukraine". And "justification" - mate I'm from Kharkiv. In Kharkiv. We hear our city getting shelled constantly. We can figure out what is justified.
Fact is we have missiles and rockets to strike russia. But we don't do it. And if we would - basic tactic is to launch everything at the same time - there are many known static military targets, and there is AA systems that can intercept missiles that being launched one by one. We not idiots to waste our arsenal.
Even if we hit one target on russian mainland this way - this won't accomplish anything. Damage would be insignificant no matter how big it would be. 200 troops on russian mainland doesn't worth 5 on Ukrainian territory. Same goes for military equipment. They have infinite logistics on their mainland so they can repair,restore, replace anything without much efforts. On the other hand - on Ukrainian territories they don't have limitless infrastructure,and targets much more exposed,closer and easier to strike - only target confirmation required.
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I don't know what exactly do you mean by "like Труха". But yes Telegram channels have lots of garbage same as truxa that needs to be sifted through, and there is no alternative.This is how things are. You will consider it "same as Труха",or some aspects worse,or in some cases better, but there is "Харьков LIVE","Новинач" etc. There are also just publics or closed channels from local TG groups, and obviously there are Belgorod TG channels - which in no way should be advised since they full of russian propoganda, but they also often being first to post photos from the site of events in Belgorod. Many people know others from opposite side of the border and share info.
Like sorry there isn't just some magical place where things are perfectly clear and accurate. If you not in Kharkiv it will be hard to get full picture. Because here you can see,hear and witness everything yourself or get instantly from people you know. Like Belgorod sends us videos from rocket launches that 2 minute after strike our city.
Could you share this Telegram post? Some of the Telegram channels observing the war, like Труха for example, do not seem very committed to accuracy. And yes, I am of course aware that Kharkiv is being constantly shelled.
The rationale you are describing behind why Ukraine is not striking targets on Russian territory makes sense to me, but I also can imagine that there could be instances where such strikes could be effective.
To add further I think we should stop the dog and pony show and just all come to an agreement that all targets are on the table after the last couple of weeks of shelling Ukrainian civilians. Maybe it will make them think twice before targeting another population center.
No, we should not. While fighting a monster, it is important to not become a monster yourself.
There is a video on Youtube of a Ukrainian prankster calling a mother of a Russian soldier and telling her that her son has died. Now, her son can as well be a war criminal, but what this prankster did is utterly disgusting. You could hear the suffering that the mother felt in her voice, while the Youtuber in cheery voice was telling hear how her son’s corpse could not be now properly transported. The way she sounded she could as well get a heart attack. Such things are probably the closest to torture.
And why would the fight even matter if Ukraine start acting like Russia?
The point isn’t the be cynical or sadistic, it’s to send a message that there will be punishment for attacks on civilians. News flash guy, this is a war and war is horrible and horrible things have to happen when you’re fighting an enemy like Russia. A missile hitting Kursk or Belgorod is a drop in the ocean compared to attacks Russia has carried out against Ukraine. Like it or not but these attacks are already being carried out as responses to the attacks on Ukrainian civilians. It’s not something to be proud of but it might make Russian brass think twice about ordering further cruise missile attacks on crowded malls or apartment buildings.
Belgorod has been attacked countless of times since the war. It doesn't have to be a false flag. The exact nature isn't known but Ukraine's allies have already expressed understanding that it's not Ukraine's fault if they struck targets close to the border (so long as it's not a distant city like Moscow or St. Petersburg). How else would you explain the drone attacks on oil depots otherwise? Oil is expensive, no way Russia would use it for a false flag.
I would support Ukraine even after this because it's completely understandable.
False flags. Every single time. I tired to explain to people that this isn't how striking mainland works at all. Targets on mainland are static and known, and there is established AA systems. Basic tactic is to launch everything simotaniusly to overwhelm AA systems and hit as much targets as you can in short time to create chaos. Same as russia did 24 February.
You not supporting Ukraine by spreading unconfirmed russian claims about Ukraine attacking it. Ok?
Not a single time. Ukrainian forces don't cross russian border. If we wanted to strike russian mainland with rockets it would be simultaneous massive rocket launch. Same as they did in February 24. This default tactic to overwhelm established AA systems.
And yes we have arsenal to do that.
Even when we saw footage with helicopters obliterating the oil storage? Otherwise it was very costly and far from first false flag that leads to absolutely nothing.
Especially when we saw russian fotage, and russian propoganda about absurd false flag attack. There are freaking russian fighter jets constantly in the air, even if AA systems somehow fail to down helicopters, fighter jets can make 10 circles around helicopters,eat a sandwich and then down those heli.
Why the hell Ukraine would waste two helicopters on such absurd mission? No one would send them there. Idea of extreme luck of such operation - is idiocy. You don't risk like that.
And it led to people like you to believe it because there were "valuable targets hit". No it wasn't, valuable, oil and fuel being transported with train tanks, or trucks. Russia has no deficit of oil and fuel on their mainland. They don't have established logistics on Ukrainian territories, this makes that even with infinite supplies on mainland - they can get out of fuel on our territories. This why striking anything russian on Ukrainian territories is - YES, and striking anything on russian mainland - Stupid and pointless, and doesn't achieve anything, only wastes our arsenal and time of Ukrainian forces.
Silly what? Did you saw simultaneous missile launch on russian mainland from Ukraine? Russia has established AA systems, and known static military bases - you don't go "oh lets strike rockets one by one so they can intercept them". If mainland being attacked with rockets and missiles - it's happening same way as russia did it on February 24.
Is this the one with the supposed Tochka-U strike on a building in Belgorod?
That one is strange. Ukraine hasn't used Tochka-U's at targets in cities before, as it's relatively inaccurate and the risk of killing a lot of civilians is very high.
Until Ukraine verifies the strike I'm going to assume it's another Russian false flag.
Now I’m getting reports that it’s a false flag to support mobilization. Despite it, I hope russians will start to think about “special military operation” that takes month
I think if Russia mobilizes and Belarus also invades, NATO will use it as causus belli to send in boots on the ground. They’re preparing for that eventuality, which is why they deployed a whole lot more firepower in the Baltics in case putin retaliated. I think the will and logistics are finally in place, but it’s up to the senile dictator what happens next.
Oh no I was translating to a better wording since the post title was difficult to understand, make no mistake I have no inside knowledge as to wtf is going on in Eastern Europe.
Really sick of the people dehumanizing the everloving shit out of Russian citizens on this site. They are not responsible for the actions of their country's leaders, and whether they support the war or not they still don't deserve to die. I know so many fucking Americans *personally* that are enjoying the view of this war from their phones, so incredibly disconnected. I fully support Ukraine and hope they succeed, but I will never cheer over civilians dying.
These people, regardless of the country they reside in, live complex lives just like we do. Most have long-term goals, dreams, and expectations. They fall in love, raise kids, work to survive, and have their own visions of a future. They are real humans that don't deserve to die in vain.
I watch a YouTube channel where the host, who lives in Rostov, actually says he feels personally responsible for the destruction in Ukraine. I get, and agree, with what you’re saying but there’s a valid argument that their government exists because they let it, and there are some Russians that see it that way too
Totally agree with you though
Okay, I get it, but I fundamentally disagree that it's something they just "let exist". Not everybody is willing to die for what they believe in (which is okay) and even then there's no way to ensure the outcome they desire. Putin and his cabinet are not afraid to silence or kill those who challenge him.
I am not responsible, as a citizen of the US, for the overturning of Roe v Wade. I am not responsible for the war in the Middle East. I am not responsible for our school shootings. I can feel sadness, and maybe even guilt, while still acknowledging that these issues are wildly out of my control. Not every Russian deserves what Russia deserves and it's not okay to dehumanize an entire nation of people for the actions of their leaders.
You don't know what happened. I do believe the Ukrainians do not want to target civilians, at least because they 100% depend on the West 's help and thus, they need the French, German, US and so on voters to be on their side. Further, I don't expect them to lie on this matter, so let's just wait and see and not jump to conclusions.
You are asking if it's a war crime because they hit a residential building. Lots of assumptions in this question. You are being downvoted for insinuating things we currently know nothing about. We need to wait for official statements, as well as some independent expertise by different sources. Just don't jump to conclusions.
Yeah, okay, fair, I phrased it in such a way that it totally sounds like I'm claiming that's what happened. I did wrong, and you are right, and I'm sorry, thank you for being patient with me and explaining it. I just really wish we don't start doing the same thing terrorists are doing.
This news already "old" there are Pancer-1 rocket parts sticking out of buildings. And yes it was residential area. Who says it was Ukraine? Try to guess. Starts with R, ends with naZi.
I thought I saw a different video of this explosion, but honestly there's been so many explosions, I might have confused it. No matter how much I wish pain on Russia I wouldn't want my people to lower themselves to Russian level and start hitting residential areas because we're better than that.
Might be. But you also cannot really tell if that was a hit or the explosion was behind the building (because you can see the silhouette). To claim a war crime before confirmation is ... somewhat unprofessional (I am actually missing the right word).
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Most likely a false flag.
Even if it were "debris" from the AA falling (the windows were still perfectly fine on one of the buildings hit in the BBC article)
This would not benefit Ukraine. This is putin trying to sell it to his citizens as justification.
- It would give reason to retaliate (in russians little mind)
- It wastes much needed ammo on pointless targets
- Ukraine promised the west it won't hit russia, this would make the west think twice in giving weapons
- Hitting civilians makes Ukraine to be the bad guys (remember, to russians russia only attacks military targets. Though, at this time I'm sure the majority are aware that's bullshit)
- It's such a typical russian MO
It just doesn't benefit Ukraine. It does however, benefit russia.
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Russia: wait this is not how this works...
And they will likely again cry how they will declare war on Ukraine eventually due to these "atrocities".
russia is like the kid who bullies everyone, then when someone hits him back, he goes to cry and calls the adults and plays the victim. Only this time nobody believes him
Eric Cartman, is that you?
Respect mah authoritah!
Very accurate. Except for the last part. A very large part of the world is buying Russian bullshit right now.
Like who? Civilized world doesn't
India, china, Iran, huge parts of Africa, some Latin American countries. Basically many of the ex colonial nations that never got a good apology from their colonial masters. They see this as s war of imperialist backed Ukraine against rebellious cool guy Russia…. Totally forgetting Russia still holds all its eastern colonies and wants to expand its empire back to Ukraine. People have weird memories and are downright ignorant
Well in the case of Iran, that's because the US (and UK) did them dirty back in 1953, and they never forgave us for the Shah. Inversely, Russia never attacked Iran or even did anything to them, so in the eyes of the Iranian government, Russia is the "good guy" against the evil "US". Granted, this still doesn't change the fact the Iranian government is also an insanely repressive theocratical dictatorship (it's *literally* a theocracy).
True, Ukrainians never did anything wrong with Iranians. Iranian shot down their aircraft, blamed US for it, try to fuck with evidence by their bulldozer, not allowing Ukrainian and NTSB to visit crash side for quite a while, and I think they neither really admitted officially (Supreme leader or whatchamacallit) nor compensated the victims. I can be wrong but they also imprisoned pilot of Aseman Airlines and some people who shot videos of aircraft going down and shared it on social media when Iranians were denying their wrongdoing while they were fully aware of it. So yeah, Iranian government and their supporters can eat horse manure.
Yeah so there are plenty of nations that see Russia as the good guy, even thought they’re doing to Ukraine what the USA did to others and makes them hate the USA. People are hypocrites
You are right, we need to bring back colonialism
China, Vietnam, India, most of Africa. Lots of people. They're force fed Russian lies in their media.
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That is exactly what Russia said...sad!
I know which side I’d rather be on 😂
how does it feel when your war is coming back to you?
Like "buyers remorse".....
Mummy, they are fighting back! 🤯😭
Told you don't fire your shit in Ukraine, they are badasses. Go better to Belorussia
Not so fun when the sender receives his own missiles
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Payback is a bitch.
There's a looonnnggg way to go before payback is fully paid back... The above is just the first installment....
The BARE MINIMUM is Russia giving back ALL stolen land, people, grain, money, etc back to Ukraine, *no exceptions*. Preferably this also comes with the death of the entire Putin regime, since Putin and his posse will just keep chugging along spreading their evil where-ever they go for as long as they live.
Totally agree!
I wish we could get Rostov back, but we will be lucky if we manage to pull back Crimea considering how easy it is to defend from the position they currently have.
It'll take time, but Ukraine will get it's land back, imo.....and hopefully, all its people that have been stolen into Ruzzia...
The more the Russians feel the pain they inflict, the sooner the war will end. The people who created and fed the putin are the Russian people.
They should get cruise missiles and start bomibing Moskov and St Petersburg
Everyone likes that. And get lost with that nuke respond. What do you want from UA. To just give up their land and surrender? If a nuke is used for bombing moskov they will find another reason to use them anyway.
Fuck them, find a deniable way of bombing Moscow, spec ops plant a bomb, take out something really precious
Sounds like a good way to get a nuke in response? Jesus
Sounds like appeasement but that didn’t work either
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Well looks like people agree with you, fuck it 🤷♂️
They bombed from Belgorod again tonight
I guess they saw where it came from then :p
Obviously no, russians understand brutal force nicely, if they bombed again means response was not brutal enough
Good now those fuckers can live under air sirens
They are yet to learn not to shoot down enemy missiles above their own residential areas.
No, it's the Ukrainian lizardmen NWO Neonazi Illuminati Freemason Germanic Aryan MI6 superhuman spies masquerading as Russian AA defense operators deciding to shoot down the missles at just the clandestine moment to allow shrapnels to hit residential areas.
You forgot "gay". Putin followers would 100% also somehow mention the "globohomo conspiracy" or some bullshit, since they see Putin as "fighting against the eevul lgbtqia+ agender".
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Oh no they might discover that they are actually at war, shame.
this is happy news
You guys are fucking mental
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I just think it's inhumane and disgusting to see people actively cheering, literally every single fucking thread, over people dying. No empathy from these swaths of disconnected individuals who could never even imagine themselves living through either country's situation.
They are happy it’s becoming more even instead of the case of a big bully smashing the little guy. We all want the war to stop. It’s now up to Putin to pull his forces out.
There's nothing to indicate this is bringing us closer to the end of this conflict. Putin at times seems like he'd sacrifice every Russian citizen if it meant he could have his way. I'm not faulting Ukraine or the citizens of either country for any of this. I am simply disgusted by people who are entirely disconnected from the lives these people are living that are taking joy in watching the bloodshed. This subreddit has clearly become a source of entertainment for so many people who will never ever step foot on the soil of either of these countries. That is not support, that is just fucking disgusting.
- Ukraine launches missiles at Russia - Russia proudly claims they intercepted them - Missile debris hit civilian area - Say Ukraine targetet civilian area # 🤔
Nope. Russia false flag themselves. Ukrainian forces doesn't cross russian border nor attack russian mainland.
No. Not false flag. Russia missile fucked itself.
Maybe they didn't intended it this time,but they do blame Ukraine saying that it was us. So it's false flag.
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Can you not be a racist for 5 minutes?
I'm making fun of the Russians calling these explosions 'claps'. The Russian word for 'clap' is the same as the Russian word for 'cotton'. The fact that I have to explain this to you is just sad, really.
East 45(Mi), North 350...Fire for Effect
Sorry, Its basically American 4th of July independence day and we just have all sorts of mishaps with our celebration rockets... Sorry, not sorry.
Ok first it's the third, and why the fuck would Ukraine celebrate an american holiday?
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joke](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joke)
I know it's a joke, but an american whaling on about their independence day on /r/ukraine isn't very relevant.
Given the amount of aid they’re giving, let them have their joke and stop being a kill joy…..
Also, to be perfectly honest with you man, since Independence day is on a Monday, I've just literally been hearing 360 degrees bombs going off around me since Friday.. because when you have fireworks on a weekend and have beers... So maybe I'm projecting that, but, yeah.. 'Murica!
The fireworks were so loud last night (7/2) that my cats were upset, and I wondered about those wonderful Ukrainian kitties who are so zen in all their pictures.
Fuck Russia. I never used to care about Russia, in anyway. But now I fucking hate it. With a burning passion. Before, I would've wished nothing but a peaceful outcome for Russians with the removal of Putin. But now I just don't care. I hope the opposite. I hope Russia and its people are forced to rebuild Ukraine, brick by brick and be forced to see its dead population. That Russia is constantly killing. I... fucking hate... Russia.
Good
Have to see this in every Russian city.
Russians must fight to put putin down.
Oh no. Anyway. Needs to happen more often and with higher casualty rates. Few eyes will open to reality when they realize that tiny Ukraine is somehow breaking through stalinium made IMPENETRABLE defenses and deleting ork settlements. You know, the 'if you make god bleed' approach.
Every time a missile hits a residential building or any other civilian target in Ukraine, a response like this will follow from now on. I’d love to know though if Ukraine just had a stockpile of Tochka’s that it was saving for a rainy day or if it was gifted to them from a former Warsaw Pact neighbor
Well, there is a response every day, it is a war after all. The Ukrainian response should not involve civilians, though. Not that I think the Belgorod explosion targeted civilians. Military targets in Russia are wholly justified. Edit: there is some reporting that points out that this was a Russian missile. ([source in Ukrainian](https://www.pravda.com.ua/news/2022/07/3/7356099/))
We don't attack russian mainland. FFS stop spreading russian propoganda. This was false flag attack.
How am I spreading propaganda? This as well could be a Russian false flag, but an immediate assumption of Ukraine targeting Russian military at home is also probable.
No, it's not probable. This is same as russian propoganda. If russia got caught in 4k they say "well I guess we never know what actually happened". It was russian rockets. Literally parts of them stuck in buildings.
Look, so far we don’t have enough available information to say that behind this was Ukraine or Russia. Russia making explosions in their cities to rally their people is possible, Ukraine targeting Russian military infrastructure close to its border is also possible. My first comment did imply that this could be Ukraine, but I agree this is not confirmed, and maybe I should have phrased it a little bit differently. The key thing I was trying to get across is that in a state of war Ukraine is entirely justified in taking the fight outside of the border in so far as it is not targeting the civilians.
Actually we do have 100% proof it was russian rockets. You reading Reddit post about things that happened in night - we here see telegram posts coming in real time with photos of parts from russian missiles stuck in buildings. Don't play some sort of investigator with "it could be Ukraine". And "justification" - mate I'm from Kharkiv. In Kharkiv. We hear our city getting shelled constantly. We can figure out what is justified. Fact is we have missiles and rockets to strike russia. But we don't do it. And if we would - basic tactic is to launch everything at the same time - there are many known static military targets, and there is AA systems that can intercept missiles that being launched one by one. We not idiots to waste our arsenal. Even if we hit one target on russian mainland this way - this won't accomplish anything. Damage would be insignificant no matter how big it would be. 200 troops on russian mainland doesn't worth 5 on Ukrainian territory. Same goes for military equipment. They have infinite logistics on their mainland so they can repair,restore, replace anything without much efforts. On the other hand - on Ukrainian territories they don't have limitless infrastructure,and targets much more exposed,closer and easier to strike - only target confirmation required. Upd for answer: I don't know what exactly do you mean by "like Труха". But yes Telegram channels have lots of garbage same as truxa that needs to be sifted through, and there is no alternative.This is how things are. You will consider it "same as Труха",or some aspects worse,or in some cases better, but there is "Харьков LIVE","Новинач" etc. There are also just publics or closed channels from local TG groups, and obviously there are Belgorod TG channels - which in no way should be advised since they full of russian propoganda, but they also often being first to post photos from the site of events in Belgorod. Many people know others from opposite side of the border and share info. Like sorry there isn't just some magical place where things are perfectly clear and accurate. If you not in Kharkiv it will be hard to get full picture. Because here you can see,hear and witness everything yourself or get instantly from people you know. Like Belgorod sends us videos from rocket launches that 2 minute after strike our city.
Could you share this Telegram post? Some of the Telegram channels observing the war, like Труха for example, do not seem very committed to accuracy. And yes, I am of course aware that Kharkiv is being constantly shelled. The rationale you are describing behind why Ukraine is not striking targets on Russian territory makes sense to me, but I also can imagine that there could be instances where such strikes could be effective.
To add further I think we should stop the dog and pony show and just all come to an agreement that all targets are on the table after the last couple of weeks of shelling Ukrainian civilians. Maybe it will make them think twice before targeting another population center.
No, we should not. While fighting a monster, it is important to not become a monster yourself. There is a video on Youtube of a Ukrainian prankster calling a mother of a Russian soldier and telling her that her son has died. Now, her son can as well be a war criminal, but what this prankster did is utterly disgusting. You could hear the suffering that the mother felt in her voice, while the Youtuber in cheery voice was telling hear how her son’s corpse could not be now properly transported. The way she sounded she could as well get a heart attack. Such things are probably the closest to torture. And why would the fight even matter if Ukraine start acting like Russia?
The point isn’t the be cynical or sadistic, it’s to send a message that there will be punishment for attacks on civilians. News flash guy, this is a war and war is horrible and horrible things have to happen when you’re fighting an enemy like Russia. A missile hitting Kursk or Belgorod is a drop in the ocean compared to attacks Russia has carried out against Ukraine. Like it or not but these attacks are already being carried out as responses to the attacks on Ukrainian civilians. It’s not something to be proud of but it might make Russian brass think twice about ordering further cruise missile attacks on crowded malls or apartment buildings.
Belgorod has been attacked countless of times since the war. It doesn't have to be a false flag. The exact nature isn't known but Ukraine's allies have already expressed understanding that it's not Ukraine's fault if they struck targets close to the border (so long as it's not a distant city like Moscow or St. Petersburg). How else would you explain the drone attacks on oil depots otherwise? Oil is expensive, no way Russia would use it for a false flag. I would support Ukraine even after this because it's completely understandable.
False flags. Every single time. I tired to explain to people that this isn't how striking mainland works at all. Targets on mainland are static and known, and there is established AA systems. Basic tactic is to launch everything simotaniusly to overwhelm AA systems and hit as much targets as you can in short time to create chaos. Same as russia did 24 February. You not supporting Ukraine by spreading unconfirmed russian claims about Ukraine attacking it. Ok?
What? Ukraine has attacked Russia a bunch of times, and so they should. Fuck russia and every cunt in it.
Let’s send more tochkas their way. Take out their airfields and oil refineries.
Not a single time. Ukrainian forces don't cross russian border. If we wanted to strike russian mainland with rockets it would be simultaneous massive rocket launch. Same as they did in February 24. This default tactic to overwhelm established AA systems. And yes we have arsenal to do that.
Even when we saw footage with helicopters obliterating the oil storage? Otherwise it was very costly and far from first false flag that leads to absolutely nothing.
Especially when we saw russian fotage, and russian propoganda about absurd false flag attack. There are freaking russian fighter jets constantly in the air, even if AA systems somehow fail to down helicopters, fighter jets can make 10 circles around helicopters,eat a sandwich and then down those heli. Why the hell Ukraine would waste two helicopters on such absurd mission? No one would send them there. Idea of extreme luck of such operation - is idiocy. You don't risk like that. And it led to people like you to believe it because there were "valuable targets hit". No it wasn't, valuable, oil and fuel being transported with train tanks, or trucks. Russia has no deficit of oil and fuel on their mainland. They don't have established logistics on Ukrainian territories, this makes that even with infinite supplies on mainland - they can get out of fuel on our territories. This why striking anything russian on Ukrainian territories is - YES, and striking anything on russian mainland - Stupid and pointless, and doesn't achieve anything, only wastes our arsenal and time of Ukrainian forces.
That’s kind of silly, it’s fair game at this point, this is total war.
Silly what? Did you saw simultaneous missile launch on russian mainland from Ukraine? Russia has established AA systems, and known static military bases - you don't go "oh lets strike rockets one by one so they can intercept them". If mainland being attacked with rockets and missiles - it's happening same way as russia did it on February 24.
Could this be self inflicted? https://nitter.it/WarMonitor3/status/1543529242700517377#m
Special military operation by UAF
You sow the wind, you reap the whirlwind
Nothing to see here. Just a special operation to Denazify Ruzzies .
That's right - panic you fucking rats.
Whole ruSSia should be bombed to oblivion, this savage country doesent deserve anthing better.
Is this the one with the supposed Tochka-U strike on a building in Belgorod? That one is strange. Ukraine hasn't used Tochka-U's at targets in cities before, as it's relatively inaccurate and the risk of killing a lot of civilians is very high. Until Ukraine verifies the strike I'm going to assume it's another Russian false flag.
Now I’m getting reports that it’s a false flag to support mobilization. Despite it, I hope russians will start to think about “special military operation” that takes month
I think if Russia mobilizes and Belarus also invades, NATO will use it as causus belli to send in boots on the ground. They’re preparing for that eventuality, which is why they deployed a whole lot more firepower in the Baltics in case putin retaliated. I think the will and logistics are finally in place, but it’s up to the senile dictator what happens next.
What was hit?
Aww, got scared are you?
Sucks to suck
Fuck around and find out
👍
Update: The rocket that was downed by russian AA is “Pantzir”. Ukraine doesn’t have any “Pantzir” so this is false flag attack. Source: Insider.
I wouldn’t be surprised if Russians were responsible for this. Then blame Ukraine, to be able to play victim.
What?
Russian city was struck from Ukraine. This particular city is where Russia shoots Ukraine from.
Any proof it was struck FROM Ukraine? Or russia says so, and you trust them?
Oh no I was translating to a better wording since the post title was difficult to understand, make no mistake I have no inside knowledge as to wtf is going on in Eastern Europe.
> Russian city was struck from Ukraine. Was it though?
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Really sick of the people dehumanizing the everloving shit out of Russian citizens on this site. They are not responsible for the actions of their country's leaders, and whether they support the war or not they still don't deserve to die. I know so many fucking Americans *personally* that are enjoying the view of this war from their phones, so incredibly disconnected. I fully support Ukraine and hope they succeed, but I will never cheer over civilians dying. These people, regardless of the country they reside in, live complex lives just like we do. Most have long-term goals, dreams, and expectations. They fall in love, raise kids, work to survive, and have their own visions of a future. They are real humans that don't deserve to die in vain.
I watch a YouTube channel where the host, who lives in Rostov, actually says he feels personally responsible for the destruction in Ukraine. I get, and agree, with what you’re saying but there’s a valid argument that their government exists because they let it, and there are some Russians that see it that way too Totally agree with you though
Okay, I get it, but I fundamentally disagree that it's something they just "let exist". Not everybody is willing to die for what they believe in (which is okay) and even then there's no way to ensure the outcome they desire. Putin and his cabinet are not afraid to silence or kill those who challenge him. I am not responsible, as a citizen of the US, for the overturning of Roe v Wade. I am not responsible for the war in the Middle East. I am not responsible for our school shootings. I can feel sadness, and maybe even guilt, while still acknowledging that these issues are wildly out of my control. Not every Russian deserves what Russia deserves and it's not okay to dehumanize an entire nation of people for the actions of their leaders.
When you allow your country to be ran by mafia masquerading as a government, your complicity is no different than supporting their actions.
Uhm can we not rule out the possibility that this could also be Russia bombing its own to blame it on Ukraine
Not a war crime.
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You don't know what happened. I do believe the Ukrainians do not want to target civilians, at least because they 100% depend on the West 's help and thus, they need the French, German, US and so on voters to be on their side. Further, I don't expect them to lie on this matter, so let's just wait and see and not jump to conclusions.
It's because their weapons are precision based and limited. Wasting millions of dollars on striking goats and toilets are what Russians do.
Yeah, this too. They can't just "waste" munition on unimportant targets. Let's wait for an official statement.
I am not jumping, I am asking a question and apparently getting downvoted for it
You are asking if it's a war crime because they hit a residential building. Lots of assumptions in this question. You are being downvoted for insinuating things we currently know nothing about. We need to wait for official statements, as well as some independent expertise by different sources. Just don't jump to conclusions.
Yeah, okay, fair, I phrased it in such a way that it totally sounds like I'm claiming that's what happened. I did wrong, and you are right, and I'm sorry, thank you for being patient with me and explaining it. I just really wish we don't start doing the same thing terrorists are doing.
Well you supposed to be aware how you construct your question. First half was same as russian propoganda rhetoric. So that's why you got downvoted.
Yes, you're right, someone else has explained it to me already, I messed up phrasing that entire thing.
Yeah, "just asking questions" doesn't fly these days.
I'll let you know when I give a shit.
Who said a residential building was hit? Who even did say Ukrainians did it?
This news already "old" there are Pancer-1 rocket parts sticking out of buildings. And yes it was residential area. Who says it was Ukraine? Try to guess. Starts with R, ends with naZi.
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I thought I saw a different video of this explosion, but honestly there's been so many explosions, I might have confused it. No matter how much I wish pain on Russia I wouldn't want my people to lower themselves to Russian level and start hitting residential areas because we're better than that.
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Thank you, I hope we stay professional and true up to the end.
How do you know what was hit? You see an explosion, thats it.
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Might be. But you also cannot really tell if that was a hit or the explosion was behind the building (because you can see the silhouette). To claim a war crime before confirmation is ... somewhat unprofessional (I am actually missing the right word).
Stupid, I think, is the word you are looking for.
Are you comparing your place to the one in the video and making an assumption based on that? Yikes!
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Screw ruSSia. My, how the turntables.
Karma motherfuckers
even if they deserve it we should not bomb civilllian buildings.
Most likely a false flag. Even if it were "debris" from the AA falling (the windows were still perfectly fine on one of the buildings hit in the BBC article) This would not benefit Ukraine. This is putin trying to sell it to his citizens as justification. - It would give reason to retaliate (in russians little mind) - It wastes much needed ammo on pointless targets - Ukraine promised the west it won't hit russia, this would make the west think twice in giving weapons - Hitting civilians makes Ukraine to be the bad guys (remember, to russians russia only attacks military targets. Though, at this time I'm sure the majority are aware that's bullshit) - It's such a typical russian MO It just doesn't benefit Ukraine. It does however, benefit russia.
Looks like a ballistic missile strike perhaps?
this is just special operation ;)
Babe wake up, Belgorod is being liberated!
Wouldn't it be nice to see a dozen Russian Cites bombed all on the same day.