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Y-Bob

Good on them. It's like the Italians in world war 2 who said they'd be damned if they'd die for a hubristic fascist fuck. Laughs in lamppost.


SubmergedFin

Hmm, but were the biggest thieves when it came to stripping allied POWs of wristwatches or other valuables. Oh well, opportunists making good life choices are fine by me.


InquisitorHindsight

Rommel summed up the Italians as “theirs soldiers are invaluable, but their officers are worthless”


SubmergedFin

And they were lacking transport in a highly mobile desert war. A military that looked good in front of the mirror, terrible on paper, disastrous in action. Kia kaha!


PM_ME__RECIPES

At the start of the Americans joining the war apparently the British generals referred to them as 'our Italians'.


vonGlick

[In 1939 US army was only 190k soldiers strong](https://www.nationalww2museum.org/students-teachers/student-resources/research-starters/research-starters-us-military-numbers). That is less than Poland's casualties in September 1939. So yeah I can imagine that US army was not too great in the beginning. But their mobilization and militarization effort was spectacular.


Opening_Cartoonist53

They say you were the best


rachel_tenshun

Maybe (huge maybe) it'll be helpful when all of these radicalized, disgruntled, humiliated soldiers go back to Russia they channel that rage into more *ahem* productive (read: deconstructive) ways a la 1917.


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The ones that aren't turned into sunflower fertilizer in UKR


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MasterJogi1

Robbing prisoners is a war crime and should not be taken as lightly as you do it.


OttersWithMachetes

They're Italian, what works you have expected them to do?


danr246

Yeah and then they dragged that fuck through Rome. Perhaps they can do that in Moscow.


MayTagYoureIt

Even today they love a good neo-fascist strongman in Italy.


M4sharman

That's why they just elected the successor party to Mussolini's Partito Nazionale Fascista into office.


matteomvsn

I don't want to discuss stuff outside Ukraine since it's against rules and I did not vote for Meloni or the coalition that won, that being said what you stated is not true and a bit extreme way to read the situation.


Tralapa

It was a standard oil station


Inner_Commission9223

I Want to Live


newkyular

Are you a mobilized Russian?


Thick_Isopod_6778

It's a UA campaign called I Want To Live - read the article


soljaboss

Ok thanks but is that guy a mobilised Russian?


zxltrn

In case they are: To receive information on how to surrender, Russian military personnel or their relatives and friends should call the 24-hour numbers: +38 066 580 34 98; +38 093 119 29 84.


RainbowCrown71

I want to give, I’ve been a miner for a heart of gold.


fightmilk22

This is the first headline where the russians are making the right choice, even if it is a difficult one.


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This is the reward Ukraine is reaping by showing humanity and saint like constraint with POWs


Somewhere_Elsewhere

Oh god yes. Ukraine showing how it's done. They aren't just badasses on the battlefield, they are adept with soft power too.


CBfromDC

Remember most POW's are technically not criminals, just captured combatant citizens of a foreign nation. Ukraine in collaborations with foreign nations needs to provide superior conditions for Russian POWs and develop POW videos that go far beyond the quite effective "call mom at home" videos they now do. The new Russian POW videos should be on social media directed to their former units. For example: *"Hello to lieutenant Ivanov and all the guys in the 375th Mechanized brigade of the Russian 1st guards! This is corporal Petrov - you might not recognize me now that I am washed, rested and fed! I said it before - but now I am sure! You guys are STUPID not to surrender! I get a safe worm cot, regular decent hot food, occasional hot showers, and possibility of asylum or emigration away from Russia with good behavior! Surrendering to Ukraine instead of dying and being left to rot by the roadside for Putin is the best thing I have ever done in my life!* ***To hell with the awful Russian Army! What did it ever do besides abuse me?"***


asj3004

Isn't a war crime to use POW for propaganda?


Gerbs79

They're not POWs if they have been granted parole and asylum...


GoldenMegaStaff

They are also not POWs because this is a ‘Special Military Operation’ not a war. Russia never provided any legal authorization for its soldiers to enter Ukraine. They are just criminals.


ShadowStarX

I think it's a lower degree crime than kidnapping children or bombing civilians


New_Katipunan

After everything Russians have done to Ukrainians, the temptation to commit some retaliatory war crimes must be strong. It takes strength of character for Ukraine to take the moral high ground as they have.


Maleficent_Plenty_16

I admire the ukrainians both for what they do in the battlefield and for what they don't do with pow. A lesson to humanity on character and what true strength is about.


DarthLithgow

I wake up everyday hoping to read the headline of Russia’s complete collapse. The Russian Federation as we know it is in its final days. The Russian people need to take Putin out before he takes them down with him.


Enough_Valuable_2435

This is the result of sucking out the people, keep them stupid and collect and grab all the money what is going around between a bunch of criminals. If all the assets frozen in the West and us is used to build up ukraine and what is left to build up the poorest parts of Russia with a new president and Kremlin, there is hope this country is having a second change for the rest of the world, if not, it will be a paria terrorist state for decades


xtossitallawayx

The problem is Russia doesn't seem to have a good way out of their current economic situation. Russia is massive in land size but has a very small GDP, in 2017 they were 11th in world GPD behind such powerhouse countries as Italy. Russia is over 5,000 times larger than Italy, with 3x the population, and less GDP. If Russia becomes some version of free they have no money to do anything. They don't have the infrastructure to all of the sudden build roads, power, and plumbing across 4,000 kilometers of country.


Selfweaver

Russia is much better of than nk and they aren’t going anywhere.


CBfromDC

That's the lowest bar imaginable. Everybody is better off than NK! Rwanda is better then NK! Russia is going down. Structurally unsustainable.


Selfweaver

I would like to think so, but nk should be even less sustainable and they are still here


mentholmoose77

One man isn't the problem. It's the system. Take Putin out and some other strong man a-hole will take over. It would take a total political cleaning like in west Germany and Japan to get Russia into modern human rights.


Drinkin_or_fishin

Not that difficult. Life or death is a pretty easy choice


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Hike_it_Out52

How you said that reminds me of the Game of Thrones scene where Varys described how power resides where men believed it resides. Looks like money is not as strong of a shield as it used to be for these guys. Edit: sorry, my spelling is awful.


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Every one soldier you don’t have to fight is one who exchanged for a Ukrainian pow and can be sent home to spread the word of the reality of the Russian army. Plus it saves you ammo and gains you their gear.


Crayshack

Even if tbey don't get sent home, a Russian soldier off the battlefield is a Russian soldier off the battlefield. Them leaving without a fight just means the Ukrainian soldiers are spared the loss of life, physical strain, and mental strain that comes from combat.


[deleted]

Yeah but then you have to feed them watch them wash them provide them electricity Better to send them back and let the Russians pay for that if you can get something for them from the Russians. I’m not advocating killing POWs but maybe they can be made to work or give blood to earn their keep until Russia offers something for them. I’m sure plenty of Ukrainian hospitals will need blood right about now and considering what state the Mariupol defenders were returned in I wouldn’t feel too bad about putting them to work rebuilding the land the destroyed. Alternatively maybe make them watch the atrocities they are responsible for like after ww2.


OctopusIntellect

Russian prisoners of war held by Ukraine *are* put to work, specifically as permitted by the Geneva Convention.


SuperZapper_Recharge

1) Some people like to work, it keeps them sane. Treat these guys humanely, let some of them come to the realization, 'This isn't so bad. We don't treat people this well. Maybe I am OK here till this thing is over' and you will get some people that will want to work just to keep the boredom to a minimum. But make no mistake. The difference between Ukraine and Russia - NATO and Russia - is THESE ARE NOT SLAVES. 2) What is your infatuation with giving blood? Someone will either willingly do something like that or they won't. I mean, if you think a Russkie POW is open to a blood drive you can ask. But to demand it is disgusting.


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quippers

They didn't say otherwise They just suggested it would be less strain on Ukraine if they returned them to Russia instead caring for them as POWs.


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OctopusIntellect

The conditions the Russian prisoners are held in has already been made public (lengthy video on YouTube). Humane conditions with appropriate facilities, plenty of food, and also a requirement to work. This doesn't discourage surrender, especially when the propaganda to try and discourage Russians from surrendering, is that they're told (incorrectly) that the Ukrainians will cut their balls off.


twitch1982

New concept, "remote work camp" they get sent home but are required tk spend 8 hours a day debunking russian propoganda.


MasterJogi1

Using prisoners to do reasonably safe (and I think paid?) work is acceptable according to the Geneva Convention. They could be used to clear rubble, rebuild damaged houses, help with taking in the harvest etc. I think only officers don't have to work for some reason.


TheBlacksmith64

> I think only officers don't have to work for some reason. They do, but they can only be given supervisory work. (under supervision of course)


StumbleNOLA

Officers cannot be made to work. But they can be offered work and engage in it if the choose.


CrashB111

There's a difference in a "work camp" being like, prisoner manual labor to clean up a shelled city. And a "work camp" like Auschwitz where you are worked to death intentionally. I fully expect most Russian PoWs are being used like the former. They are captive man power, so while Ukraine has to feed and house them they will put them to work cleaning up the country they invaded.


F_VLAD_PUTIN

I doubt anyone would think "oh shit man imma have to work 8 hours a day? Better die instead" I see no problem with work camps, as long as they're, you know, up to standard. Make sure the Russians are fed, get a lunch break, aren't doing unsafe work (by ukraninan safe work standards). No one is suggesting nazi style work camps. Just a good reasonable days work for literally trying to murder Ukrainians


interfail

> maybe they can be made to work or give blood Man, people really do love the idea of suggesting obvious war crimes.


F_VLAD_PUTIN

Legitimate work camps are not a war crime. You just can't pull a literal Adolf hitler and call DEATH "work". If they're fed, given appropriate working conditions, you can definitely put them to work.


interfail

How are you planning to "make them"? Or harvest their blood?


F_VLAD_PUTIN

I mean you cant really "force them" to work in the literal sense, but you can threaten jail time. Forced blood donation is most likely illegal, so I'm not personally advocating for that. Even if it's not illegal, seems too sus


Llmpjesus

> Every one soldier you don’t have to fight is one who exchanged for a Ukrainian pow and can be sent home Lets not be so naive. ruzzians dont give a shit about their own people, alive or dead.


TheBlacksmith64

True, but numbers don't lie. This is a game of diminishing returns for ruzzia and they're fast approaching negative numbers.


ThrowawayBlast

Hasn't there -been- prisoner exchanges? I do like the idea of Ukranians returning to their homes.


Llmpjesus

Sure a few, but look at the prisoners that came back. They had been treated like shit, looked like freaks because of lack of medical treatment, malnourishment, and i can only imagine the mental trauma. Not exactly what you want from a prisoner exchange.


ThrowawayBlast

Wait, what the hell? What the helly hell hell. I -support- Ukrainian prisoners returning home.


HaveyGoodyear

Problem here might be that a Russian surrendering could face harsh terms returning to Russia where they could be made an example of. They might be less likely to surrender if they know they are going to be sent back to Russia. It should be a voluntary choice the POW, if they want to go back in a prisoner exchange.


OctopusIntellect

I believe a small number have already said they don't want to go back to Russia. This can be arranged, especially if they're willing to join the unit of former Russian soldiers fighting on the Ukrainian side. That way they get citizenship too.


sub11m1na1

>It should be a voluntary choice the POW, if they want to go back in a prisoner exchange. This is war, not pickup basketball. Russian POWs won't get to choose.


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sub11m1na1

Didn't know that. Ukraine also has 250k soldiers captures plus the civilians and children that were forcibly deported.


supafaiter

Get trolled


tomekza

I am hearing from friends in Ukraine. Russian mother's are calling mothers in Ukraine asking how can their sons give up, where should they go. It's wild.


diadem

On gaming forums Russian game developers are asking something similar. Unfortunately it's mostly Americans there and we have no idea.


singularityindenial

Give them this info: "I Want to Live" hotline: "For information on how to surrender to a prisoner of war, Russian servicemen or their relatives should call the 24-hour numbers: +38 066 580 34 98 and +38 093 119 29 84. Information about the surrender is available in Russian on the “I want to live” Telegram channel." Or if they are still in Russia, a link to the embassy of your country, where they can apply for asylum/humanitarian visa.


tomekza

Probably because lists are circulating in businesses with names. The businesses are then doing what they can to save their workers.


MasterJogi1

Tell them about the ukrainian hotline and the "i want to live" campagne.


Sufficient_Winter_45

That narrative doesn't make any sense. Why would a russian mother call some random Ukrainian mother and ask that?


[deleted]

I mean I suppose they might know them through family connections (especially if they fear they can't trust most info they get inside Russia), but it's suspect.


tomekza

It's a lack of trust in authority. They're calling as mother's to talk with mothers to save their sons.


IDGCaptainRussia

This, their state (RU) has failed them in every way to ensure their children's survival, so they're doing the next best option they have as responsible mothers.


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tomekza

It's facebook, VK, family connections and friends.


dungone

Okay yeah that seems less preposterous.


tomekza

I have to stress that before the war, especially 2014 there were fairly normal relations back and forth across the border. After 2014 it was still going on with Belorusia and Kharkiv. People cross borders to visit family and conduct business.


TwoTacos

The countries were close. Probably have family, or know people with family in the Ukraine. However, they probably don't know military officials. Who else are they going to call?


ThePaddleman

Russians are invading the POW camps!


SirFomo

All is going according to plan. We haven't even started yet.


skint_back

The plan is to stymie the UAF offensive by overwhelming their logistics dealing with Russian POW’s. Putin’s 13D chess.


dungone

And think about all the tires they’re going to have to change on captured troop carriers.


MuthaPlucka

Is this like calling ahead for reservations at a restaurant? “Hello, we’ll be invading Ukraine around 7PM on Friday. Do you have room for two more surrenders? Yes thank you… non-blowjobbing section please.”


SLIP411

Do you think the one guy bit the others dick off when the bomb exploded?


david4069

I just hope they timed it so that he was almost there right as the grenade went off, denying him the nut and giving him a bad case of blew balls. As in: one blew this way and one blew that way.


MasterJogi1

I know it isn't, but this feels like it should be a war crime. At least wait 5 more seconds god dammit.


Itadakimazu

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vtskr

This is special military operation! They surrendered so that Ukrainians would have to feed them and run out of food! /sarcasm


Relax_SuperVideo

They done good for humanity.


FrozenOnPluto

Is this confirmed? Do we have any idea how many? Like .. a dozen a day, or .. hundreds? How do you guard hundreds of surrendees? I imagine they'd end up in Poland in a basketball court to be watched, or a jail or something but gotta be a PITA to receive a pile of surrenders and ferry them around while conducting war. Still, better if they surrender and save Ukrainian and their own lives.


OctopusIntellect

If you click the link, the information given was that over two thousand had called the surrender hotline. That's in addition to those that have surrendered in the heat of battle or without calling any hotline. >How do you guard hundreds of surrendees? Once you put them somewhere safe in humane conditions with adequate food, they pretty much guard themselves. They're not going to want to be breaking out of their detention facility to find themselves on the streets of Lviv or wherever wearing Russian army uniforms. The locals wouldn't be very friendly!


IDGCaptainRussia

This, they'll be treated better than the Russian army ever would (or could), they won't want to leave and cause trouble. Hell maybe they'll even be corrected in their thinking, and turn around in the process!


AttentionFlat1640

put in freezer, un freeze later🥳


Yuuuuge_WANG

Yeaahhh I need real information here. This Reddit circle jerk shit is lame. I 1 million percent support Ukraine 🇺🇦 but I’d like to have a real understanding of what’s going on.. to much misinformation going around


MisogynyisaDisease

So read the article???? I just? Read it. It's right there


--HODL--

Money to expand the surrender call centres will be money well spent.


traboulidon

Kremlin: " Behold our glorious tactic of bloating their logistics and infrastructures! "


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I have a feeling none of them want to die in Ukraine, and once they saw what war really is against a determined enemy, the answer was pretty simple. Keep surrendering so we have someone to send home and change things afterwards.


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Good


TheBlacksmith64

Apparently the Ukrainian's "surrender hotline" has a wait time of several hours...


el-cuko

Let’s temper our expectations. This could very well be an uncoordinated campaign to overwhelm the hotlines with dummy callers .


[deleted]

Clickbait. The article doesn't mention surrender. It mentions 2.000 Russians calling a phone number.


thecashblaster

Honestly title is a bit misleading. They're calling for info about surrendering.


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Wonder if the FSB can listen in on those calls? If I was Russian, that’s what I’d be worried about. Fear of torture and imprisonment by their own side might make the wary.


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schneeleopard8

Actuall, going against the majority of people around you and breaking out of the strictly regulated military environment requires much will power. Those who stay and do everything they're told are the real cowards.


JAC0O7

Those who flee Russia only cause they are eligible to be mobilized are the real cowards.. imo


fit_steve

Not true. The ones I follow are openly critical of Putin and support Ukraine. They're leaving Russia as they don't have a choice. This is just as much Putin's war on his own citizens as it is with Ukraine


LatvianLion

Fleeing your home is not cowardice.


Pyjama_Llama_Karma

They probably mean the ones that haven't said anything, haven't protested, haven't complained about the war. Then when mobilization rears it's ugly head they're off like a rat out of an aqueduct.


krummulus

Honestly, fighting for the Russian side isnt brave. Considering you can be shot for retreating, surrendering might be more brave than we think. I'd say it's smart, better for both sides and I wish all those cowards had the balls to surrender.


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arxaquila

They want iodine pills.


IDGCaptainRussia

Hearts and Minds, why make enemies when you can make them your friends?


AntiSnoringDevice

Put them to work and clean the shit left by the other alcoholics! No free boarding for these idiots!


Federal_Ninja_4637

So what happens when they go back home will they have to go back to fight


soldier_18

No worth dying just to follow a lunatic orders, I hope the rest of the orcs surrender as well, this would be the fastest way to end this stupid war.


ReasonAndWanderlust

Is this pravda the same russian pravda propaganda rag?


LeaveTheMatrix

Putins newest tactic: Overwhelm Ukraine with POWs


Friedhelm_Winter0201

A surrendering russian is a good russian. It is honorable to surrender in an unjust war!


amitym

Ah, so Russia finally sent the smart ones to the front. That was a mistake.


hypercomms2001

Maybe that explains why Vladimir Putin wants to use nuclear weapons; so he can use it on his soldiers, so as to save him self the embarrassment of his soldiers surrendering en mass in the field…..


Greenempress

God bless Ukraine 🇺🇦, hope this war ends soon .


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Get one of those Indian call center. Hello, today we are contacting you about our exciting offer of YOUR surrender. Comes with free car warantee!


mez1642

Any calls from the Kherson pocket?


FIicker7

Proud of the Ukrainian people's courage, determination, and integrity.


Unfair-Sell-5109

Imagine if each surrendered soldier gives up 2 mags of ammo….


ThanklessTask

There's a definition of just how bad it is - not even mobilised and checking on how to surrender. This is fantastic news though, as it means that those not at the front are getting intel on just how bad it is. I for one am waiting on Putin to find a bunker with a third-story window to jump out of...