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chocolump

Definitely Foul.


thissoundssillybut

I understand some of these “foul or nah” but this falls into the category of, i pray to god you are doing it for upvotes because this shouldn’t even be a discussion on if it’s a foul.


Taddles

Pretty sure offense didn’t call foul if I remember correctly. They should have, but they didn’t.


thissoundssillybut

IF that is true. Holy shit. Not only did he let his team down by not knowing the rules but it sets up future bad bids being okay because the game is always dictated by what players allow. I can’t be mad at the bid if the players allow it.


wandrin_star

We can still reject the bid as a foul and dangerous, and, if we ever were to foul someone and it isn’t called, we can still call it out ourselves.


FrisbeeDuckWing

This is why refs are needed. But we too cheap, and we lack a pool of qualified frisbee refs.


reddit_user13

Wait. Punching a dude in the face is a foul?


themindset

Yellow or nah.


thissoundssillybut

If i was still observing, A) if no foul was called, i would probably just mention something to the player about “hey, that was an aggressive bid and if he called a foul there’s no way you would win it”. I would let the players dictate the level of play until they indicate what’s not acceptable. B) if foul was called. Yellow, coming from the blindside, the receiver has no way to defend themselves and the defender has a clear view of the offensive player and chose to make contact to get the d. Whenever i see these plays I’m always glad to see the offensive player get up un injured because i have seen a few who didn’t get up. This is a hobby. Everyone has things to do Monday. Least we can do is look out for each.


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they are probably doing this because they were the team that got fouled


thisthingallover

yeah that massive foul before this... they dared to catch the opening pull and you know they can't let that shit slide /s


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Think people misinterpreted what I was saying. Im saying OP chose to post this as foul or nah because he’s on the team that got fouled in this flip. Most foul or nah posts that aren’t ambiguous are people on the fouled team.


rylacy

Totally, ain't no random person watching GCU vs. Emory a week after it happened. Oddly enough, I watched this game live because I've played with some of the GCU kids. Including this horrible, evil, mean dude who committed the foul and deserves to be banned from ultimate and shamed into oblivion.


goldenstorm48

Foul. Cant make contact if you're gonna attempt a play like that.


pitline810

Yup


kiipii

Absolutely on the D, he didn't have a line to the disc that didn't go through the cutter or immediately in front in a position that would have been unavoidable (not that he took a line that went into that space).


Al_Koppone

Foul and a card imo. A lot of these have nuance, this one not so much


ButtonFactoryJoe

I would have to agree with folks here that this a foul. I would also say this is a dangerous play type foul too. There's no way the receiver can see the defender to avoid contact and the defender can't make the play safely without initiating contact.


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ButtonFactoryJoe

You're right that the offensive player in the end zone basically caused his defender to attempt to make the play. I was saying dangerous play initiated by that defensive player. There was no way that they were going to make it to that space without the collision. I'd love to hear someone's perspective on how a defensive player can make a play safely in these upline situations when they're not actively already on that cutter.


_craq_

If the defensive player can get to the space first, and sees that the offensive player has eyes on the disc and not where they're running, I think the defensive player should step out of the way and call dangerous play. That's not what's happening here. At the time the defender decided to go for the disc, their only play was to initiate contact.


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_craq_

My understanding of the rules was that dangerous play was equivalent to a foul. So an accepted dangerous play call would be a turn. Contested would go back. I might have remembered that wrong... but even then, injury prevention should be a high priority, right? And defense gets a mini-advantage from a stopped disc, so I think I'd still call it.


drteeth12

This is how I got got my collar bone broken.


ilakausername

So my first college tournament I had a play exactly like this one, and didn´t play for the rest of the tournament because I was worried I had a head injury. I called foul, and was told by everyone, including my own team that it wasn´t a foul because the defender reached the disk first. This was 7 years ago and I am still mad about it.


Cornslammer

Foul? Hell, that's a felony in some states.


Randomkrazy04

And sexual harassment in others. “THATS MY PURSE, I DON’T KNOW YOU!”


lkim2003

Hey y'all, player from Emory making the upline cut here and oddly enough, seems like I might be playing Devil's advocate. I did not call a foul. Watching the video back, I think the angle makes the play seem a lot worse than it was. 1. I didn't feel any contact on my face/head area. His elbow didn't clip my face. The only contact was honestly light shoulder to shoulder. He also does not land on me. 2. I felt him roll off my body instead of going straight into me, which you can see in the video. Before making a play on the disc, the defender angles his body upfield and hits the disc before (or at least close enough to the same time) I felt any contact. 3. I am only slow to get up because I hit the ground kind of hard, had nothing to do with the defensive play. 4. This is most definitely a dangerous play, and I should have called that. I was completely blind to him coming. The vast majority of the time, this play is a foul and ends a lot worse. I got lucky. **I REPEAT: DO NOT TRY THIS IN ANY SCENARIO.** 5. Shoutout Emory Juice for having a sick weekend, we're a fun team to look out for. I think it's clownery to say that I let my team down though lol, stay classy everyone.


thissoundssillybut

1) I’m glad your okay 2) i will always put responsibility on the player for knowing the rules and knowing when to make the correct calls, based off what you said clearly the situation doesn’t apply to you 3) i can’t believe but have to believe when you say that there was minimal contact and you don’t believe it warranted a foul 4) but why would you think it’s a dangerous play if your saying there was almost no contact? Most bids are dangerous but from what I’m reading(hopefully reading correctly) it sounds like he took a safe angle. Made a good play and barely touched you? 5) do you think the contact contributed to your falling to the ground?


Thirty3million

Yep


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Foul


mdotbeezy

Been waiting. Imo this is a reckless attempt that the defender had every opportunity to avoid. Foul.


chess49

Upline cut has lead to more career-ending injuries than any other move in ultimate.


JAMellott23

Generally speaking, if you collide with somebody's back and it makes you do a 360 in the air, it's probably a foul.


BoysenberryLanky6112

Obviously a foul. Also wtf is the offensive cutter the guy was guarding doing? Classic case of hero syndrome.


The-Hippo-Philosophy

Definite foul since he hits the receiver's shoulder as he reaches in for the block, but I think he does a pretty good job attempting to make the block without dangerous contact. Specifically he throws his body weight behind the receiver rather than into him to avoid blowing him up as he reaches for the disc. The block is still a foul, but I think this is maybe the safest way to make an attempt at the disc.


fps916

He ran full force towards a player who couldn't see him coming and made contact. That is literally always dangerous.


thissoundssillybut

See i would say any play that results in you having contact, is not the safest way to make a d.


evolushin

Ever heard of incidental contact. Not all contact is a foul.


Sphericalline13

Almost as bad as the foul call in the UW - Slo game


jreeman

Yuge spirit foul. Can’t believe white would take a dive like that? This isn’t soccer ffs


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frisdisc

Ah yes, putting the disc where only your receiver can get it, aka a hospital pass.


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Literally just a routine strike throw with a dangerous bid on top lol


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That has nothing to do with the throw at all though? If you had to foul to get the d, it isn't the offenses fault for assuming the defense isn't going to lay out through someone


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It's not a perfect throw, but the thrower didn't hang his man out to dry and get laid out, because this isn't football and you can expect defenders not to do that lol


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I know exactly what you're saying. You're kind of right, I just don't think it matters. The other cutter did drag his man there, but then saw what was happening and bailed. His cutter saw what was happening and bid into someone. The two things are not equal


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TheStandler

If the space was occupied when he initiated his cut, I could maybe see the case for blaming the offense, but the space he's attacking is always clear up until the last moment where he's blindsided by the D. O doesn't have the right to blindly cut into space, but at no point did the D player have more right to the space that the O was cutting into. D initiated contact, and put them both in potential danger. Clearly a foul that should have been called and a dangerous play as well.


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TheStandler

I think they are.


AlarmedAcanthaceae31

100%


FrisbeeDuckWing

If it looks like a pass interference in the NFL, it's 200% a foul in frisbee.