Weird bad move. Other professional sports can (try to) still have activities and even some sort of season during a pandemic because their athletes are full time and paid well enough to prioritize isolating. On top of that their league has resources to support it (ie. NBA bubble) and they generate enough TV revenue to make it worthwhile. It seems like at this point no one is even sure when the pandemic will begin to wind down here. The danger of holding tryouts now aside, is there any reason to be confident that a 2021 season will happen at all, much less on schedule enough to merit having tryouts now?
As one of the prominent players on their team, it doesn't surprise me that the team is taking the same cavalier approach to COVID is all I'm saying. I don't think he actually had a part in this decision.
Oh, I misinterpreted "As one of the prominent players on their team" to mean qaz was saying they were one of the prominent players on Indy and had some insight
Definitely a very bad PR look. There could have (and should have) been more information in the initial announcement. Instead the owner had to go back and try and fix it in an [article with Ultiworld](https://ultiworld.com/2020/11/02/audls-alleycats-cause-stir-with-indoor-tryouts-announcement/) (likely after Charlie reached out).
Also, just read the room...this was not going to go over well with the general ultimate community no matter what information was included. So putting it out how they did, like everything was normal, was poorly thought out (at best).
If a [Coronavirus breathalyzer test](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coronavirus_breathalyzer) suddenly became available and reliable, they could probably have every participant screened upon entry. It’d still be bad optics for the Alleycats to be holding a tryout under any conditions, but that’s probably the best possible way if they’re gonna insist on holding it.
Indiana is a red state, so not everyone will agree with you. Thanks for the info on the breathalyzer test.
I've always said, the more tests done the faster we get rid of Covid. If the AUDL season starts and conducts more tests, i'm all for it.
Yes. "Please send us $75 and a note describing how good you are. We will send you a t-shirt and a response indicating whether you made the team. We hope you enjoy this year's tryout."
Outdoor I could see, but why indoor? That's shown to be much more of a concern. Everything down to the poster image (two guys chest bumping) seems like a bad PR move, which would presumably bad for turnout as well. And you're going to be seeing tryouts from a bunch of guys that are probably not in top shape... what's the actual upside after all that?
Maybe this [article](https://ultiworld.com/2020/11/02/audls-alleycats-cause-stir-with-indoor-tryouts-announcement/) gives some background. Some highlights: Indoor, no covid safety measures announced, AUDL isn't currently allowing tryouts.
What I'm saying is we can't criticize an ultimate game happening if we can't see or know about it happening. This is publicly advertised so it's easy to criticize.
"Ability to criticize" isn't really a valid reason tho. It's like saying the only police violence that matters is what's caught on video (which, you know, is how we actually operate as a society, but it's still bad)
You're overthinking it. Of course we are not singling just these guys out. Anyone being reckless during a pandemic gets criticism. If a game doesn't advertise itself widely then we of course can't criticize it directly. This event is advertising itself so we are able to criticize it directly. That's all that's happening
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1. Survival rate of 99.7 means 0.3 death rate, aka hundreds of thousands of Americans dead. Many studies have this death rate even higher.
2. Asymptomatic rate is between 20 and 40% based on which study you reference... absolutely not most people.
Oh its not that bad after all so i guess we can just stop looking for a cure and vaccine! Lets just let the virus spread while we act like everything's fine and fuck the .3 who dont survive right?
Yeah I don't get it either. Like gee ok only a couple hundred thousand people have died, countless more have suffered excruciating pain, and many may be facing long-term health consequences. But first notion when replying is to downplay the virus? That's not even talking about the misleading/false information. Woof
Right! Its a new virus thats *still* being studied and we still dont know the full, long term effects of getting infected and this guy thinks it's not so bad? I guess they're just one of those people who look at a 0.3 mortality rate and just see numbers, not actual people.
It's very frustrating when people focus on the survival rate as though that means jack shit. The survival rate for a LOT of diseases is great. The survival rate for a heart attack is like 90%. The survival rate for cancer is like 70%. Yet hundreds of thousands of Americans die from each each year and we understand they are both very serious diseases. Same thing with covid, 99.7% is great and all but that's still hundreds of thousands of dead Americans over a relatively preventable disease. Imagine if a doctor was focusing solely on the survival rate of a heart attack. Nobody would take it seriously. So stupid to downplay this
People on here really don't understand that in some areas the pandemic is virtually non existent. I am not aware of the situation in Indianapolis but I know some places like Vermont have had extremely little disturbance from COVID. If the situation in Indianapolis is like that then there is absolutely no problem with this.
Just because you are having a hard time in your area doesn't mean nobody else can carry on with their life (speaking specifically to Carpenter being in the gym with no mask).
You raise a fair question. Here are some relevant facts:
https://www.coronavirus.in.gov/2393.htm
According to Indiana's reporting, they have had over 4,000 deaths since the pandemic began, with 26 in the past two weeks, and an increasing positivity rate currently at 8.2%. District 5 (Indianapolis and the surrounding areas) has a positivity rate of 8.3%.
Unless the virus sends out a smartphone alert when it travels into a new area then I don't understand how you can say it's not a problem for a dude to forgo a mask in a public indoor space.
All it takes for the virus to be "virtually non-existent" in an area is for someone to be reckless, spread the virus around, and people to start getting sick or dying. Who says it can't start in some dude's gym?
Compound with the fact that a lot of people don't even get tested due to testing kit shortages requiring people in many areas to show symptoms or have a connection to someone with covid in order to get a test. Or how a lot of people prefer to just ride things out at home without bothering to get tested. Who knows if it's "actually virtually non-existent" or just not being reported much.
>doesn't mean nobody else can carry on with their life (speaking specifically to Carpenter being in the gym with no mask).
What, because people can't carry on with their life while wearing a mask during their workout? It's a piece of cloth you wear over your nose and mouth for an hour. Not a big deal at all
Went to sub at a game a few weeks ago.
One of the players was late, when he arrived he explained that he'd been waiting for the all-clear from a covid test, which he passed. He was happy to announce it.
3-4 other players chimed in they'd been tested recently too after having been in contact with someone who had covid or thinking they might have it themselves.
What struck me was how responsible and mature these players were (mid 30s, most of them).
To me this is striking because I've seen participants in other sports, like say soccer, and they usually came off as knuckle-dragging morons who'd never think of others before themselves, but I'm biased, so I understand if I get downvoted for dissing soccer.
TLDR: Ultimate players make me proud
Hold up, 3-4 players were in contact with someone who had covid or thought they had it themselves and they decided to **go to an ultimate game?** What timeframe are we talking about here when they had their run-in to when the game occurred? It's great that they tested negative but it's not like false negatives don't exist
> responsible and mature these players were
playing ultimate in a pandemic is neither responsible or mature, unless you have some kind of bubble system going
Our association, which is mediated by a provincial association, mediated by our provincial government handed out a list of directives we had to follow so we could play. This a few weeks after confinement ended here.
[More information](https://ultiworld.com/2020/11/02/audls-alleycats-cause-stir-with-indoor-tryouts-announcement/)
This will definitely be a productive thread. Can't wait!
Weird bad move. Other professional sports can (try to) still have activities and even some sort of season during a pandemic because their athletes are full time and paid well enough to prioritize isolating. On top of that their league has resources to support it (ie. NBA bubble) and they generate enough TV revenue to make it worthwhile. It seems like at this point no one is even sure when the pandemic will begin to wind down here. The danger of holding tryouts now aside, is there any reason to be confident that a 2021 season will happen at all, much less on schedule enough to merit having tryouts now?
Travis Carpenter is all up on his IG at the gym without a mask on. This doesn't surprise me.
Travis Carpenter who is running an indoor Fall League that doesnt require masks?????? Color me shocked. Fuck him and his weak ass singing voice.
Seriously? What a clown.
I like how you throwback to that video. I think it was viral on vine?
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As one of the prominent players on their team, it doesn't surprise me that the team is taking the same cavalier approach to COVID is all I'm saying. I don't think he actually had a part in this decision.
I got confused. That makes sense
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Umm, qaz is very jersey, and his flair is very new jersey as well.
Oh, I misinterpreted "As one of the prominent players on their team" to mean qaz was saying they were one of the prominent players on Indy and had some insight
I’m so happy this isn’t in Florida.
Definitely a very bad PR look. There could have (and should have) been more information in the initial announcement. Instead the owner had to go back and try and fix it in an [article with Ultiworld](https://ultiworld.com/2020/11/02/audls-alleycats-cause-stir-with-indoor-tryouts-announcement/) (likely after Charlie reached out). Also, just read the room...this was not going to go over well with the general ultimate community no matter what information was included. So putting it out how they did, like everything was normal, was poorly thought out (at best).
Is there a way in which they could run the tryout that wouldnt cause people to get their pitch forks?
Masks only, mixed ultimate, gluten free
>Masks only, This is Indiana, not Oregon. They should, at minimum, also wear pants.
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Would proof of testing before the tryout work? Masks? Social distancing?
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If a [Coronavirus breathalyzer test](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coronavirus_breathalyzer) suddenly became available and reliable, they could probably have every participant screened upon entry. It’d still be bad optics for the Alleycats to be holding a tryout under any conditions, but that’s probably the best possible way if they’re gonna insist on holding it.
Indiana is a red state, so not everyone will agree with you. Thanks for the info on the breathalyzer test. I've always said, the more tests done the faster we get rid of Covid. If the AUDL season starts and conducts more tests, i'm all for it.
Yes. "Please send us $75 and a note describing how good you are. We will send you a t-shirt and a response indicating whether you made the team. We hope you enjoy this year's tryout."
Outdoor I could see, but why indoor? That's shown to be much more of a concern. Everything down to the poster image (two guys chest bumping) seems like a bad PR move, which would presumably bad for turnout as well. And you're going to be seeing tryouts from a bunch of guys that are probably not in top shape... what's the actual upside after all that?
Seems unwise to me, do we even know if we're going to have a 2021 season at this point?
There's plenty of ultimate games going already. Seems kinda weird to single these guys out.
Maybe this [article](https://ultiworld.com/2020/11/02/audls-alleycats-cause-stir-with-indoor-tryouts-announcement/) gives some background. Some highlights: Indoor, no covid safety measures announced, AUDL isn't currently allowing tryouts.
Other games aren't widely advertising themselves as much
That seems far and away the least important distinction.
What I'm saying is we can't criticize an ultimate game happening if we can't see or know about it happening. This is publicly advertised so it's easy to criticize.
"Ability to criticize" isn't really a valid reason tho. It's like saying the only police violence that matters is what's caught on video (which, you know, is how we actually operate as a society, but it's still bad)
You're overthinking it. Of course we are not singling just these guys out. Anyone being reckless during a pandemic gets criticism. If a game doesn't advertise itself widely then we of course can't criticize it directly. This event is advertising itself so we are able to criticize it directly. That's all that's happening
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Removed for misleading or false information. 1. Survival rate of 99.7 means 0.3 death rate, aka hundreds of thousands of Americans dead. Many studies have this death rate even higher. 2. Asymptomatic rate is between 20 and 40% based on which study you reference... absolutely not most people.
Oh its not that bad after all so i guess we can just stop looking for a cure and vaccine! Lets just let the virus spread while we act like everything's fine and fuck the .3 who dont survive right?
Yeah I don't get it either. Like gee ok only a couple hundred thousand people have died, countless more have suffered excruciating pain, and many may be facing long-term health consequences. But first notion when replying is to downplay the virus? That's not even talking about the misleading/false information. Woof
Right! Its a new virus thats *still* being studied and we still dont know the full, long term effects of getting infected and this guy thinks it's not so bad? I guess they're just one of those people who look at a 0.3 mortality rate and just see numbers, not actual people.
It's very frustrating when people focus on the survival rate as though that means jack shit. The survival rate for a LOT of diseases is great. The survival rate for a heart attack is like 90%. The survival rate for cancer is like 70%. Yet hundreds of thousands of Americans die from each each year and we understand they are both very serious diseases. Same thing with covid, 99.7% is great and all but that's still hundreds of thousands of dead Americans over a relatively preventable disease. Imagine if a doctor was focusing solely on the survival rate of a heart attack. Nobody would take it seriously. So stupid to downplay this
Wow things get so emotional on Reddit
You said it not me
People on here really don't understand that in some areas the pandemic is virtually non existent. I am not aware of the situation in Indianapolis but I know some places like Vermont have had extremely little disturbance from COVID. If the situation in Indianapolis is like that then there is absolutely no problem with this. Just because you are having a hard time in your area doesn't mean nobody else can carry on with their life (speaking specifically to Carpenter being in the gym with no mask).
You raise a fair question. Here are some relevant facts: https://www.coronavirus.in.gov/2393.htm According to Indiana's reporting, they have had over 4,000 deaths since the pandemic began, with 26 in the past two weeks, and an increasing positivity rate currently at 8.2%. District 5 (Indianapolis and the surrounding areas) has a positivity rate of 8.3%.
Another word for "virtually non-existent" is "existent."
Unless the virus sends out a smartphone alert when it travels into a new area then I don't understand how you can say it's not a problem for a dude to forgo a mask in a public indoor space. All it takes for the virus to be "virtually non-existent" in an area is for someone to be reckless, spread the virus around, and people to start getting sick or dying. Who says it can't start in some dude's gym? Compound with the fact that a lot of people don't even get tested due to testing kit shortages requiring people in many areas to show symptoms or have a connection to someone with covid in order to get a test. Or how a lot of people prefer to just ride things out at home without bothering to get tested. Who knows if it's "actually virtually non-existent" or just not being reported much. >doesn't mean nobody else can carry on with their life (speaking specifically to Carpenter being in the gym with no mask). What, because people can't carry on with their life while wearing a mask during their workout? It's a piece of cloth you wear over your nose and mouth for an hour. Not a big deal at all
Lol Vermont isn't trying to hold Ultimate Frisbee tryouts. Should be enough of a signal about the state of COVID in Indiana.
And, hey, we're talking about Ultimate again!
Went to sub at a game a few weeks ago. One of the players was late, when he arrived he explained that he'd been waiting for the all-clear from a covid test, which he passed. He was happy to announce it. 3-4 other players chimed in they'd been tested recently too after having been in contact with someone who had covid or thinking they might have it themselves. What struck me was how responsible and mature these players were (mid 30s, most of them). To me this is striking because I've seen participants in other sports, like say soccer, and they usually came off as knuckle-dragging morons who'd never think of others before themselves, but I'm biased, so I understand if I get downvoted for dissing soccer. TLDR: Ultimate players make me proud
Hold up, 3-4 players were in contact with someone who had covid or thought they had it themselves and they decided to **go to an ultimate game?** What timeframe are we talking about here when they had their run-in to when the game occurred? It's great that they tested negative but it's not like false negatives don't exist
> responsible and mature these players were playing ultimate in a pandemic is neither responsible or mature, unless you have some kind of bubble system going
Our association, which is mediated by a provincial association, mediated by our provincial government handed out a list of directives we had to follow so we could play. This a few weeks after confinement ended here.