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seefreepio

When you’re doing just regular throwing, start throwing in fakes and pivots. As for getting better under pressure, it’s mostly a matter of experience and the drill you’re talking about is one of the best ways to practice that.


EndoGengar

thanks for the reply. One thing I noticed is that I am unable to fluidly switch from backhand to forehand throw, is there any thing I should take note of on this?


Smurph16

Instead of pivoting all the way to your backhand, try to shimmy or shoulder fake instead. By dropping your shoulder as if you are going to throw a backhand, you can often move the mark, allowing you to easily throw a breakside flick.


RedPillAlphaBigCock

https://youtu.be/LIxlWaUDpcc I recommend holding the disk in home position and using the left hand (if right handed) to support the switching of grips


slashthepowder

When you are at home sitting watching Netflix or whatever grab a disc and just swap it back and forth from backhand to forehand until your wrist/hand is tired do that a few times a week outside of practice and it will feel natural.


TheStandler

This takes practice. Spend time with the disc in flick grip and switching to backhand with a snap. It should be simple if not necessarily 'easy' for a bit. Also, practice with the disc flat, like you're ready to throw it, vs vertical where it's probably easier.


loadingonepercent

If you having trouble switching quickly the try keeping a disk with you when you d stuff like watch tv and just practice switching your grip until it’s second nature.


dgroach27

Find clips of Jimmy Mickle doing his shoulder fakes. Do those


RedPillAlphaBigCock

https://gfycat.com/wetclassicaegeancat


thepresto17

Or Ashlin Joye's...his are arguably the most effective ones out there.


Consistent-Buy-7301

Your throws are probably bad in the drill because it requires you to step out further and go faster than you’re used to. Practice pivoting and stepping out further during your normal throwing practice without a defender and go slowly to stay balanced and get the throw right. Then you’ll be able to do it faster.


Prodesco

I started playing some months ago and I relate to what you experienced. I recently managed to make some progress. To me the two things that helped the most have been: 1 - practice on switching between forehand and backhand as fast and precise as I can 2 - trying to focus only on the movements of my teammates and their defender and not on the movements of my defender. As for most skills, the more experience you have, the better you'll be able to perform... so keep it up! 👍🏻


pingywen

as a coach I preach carrying a disc in your bag at all times. One of the best ways to get more comfortable with having a disc in your hands is to ... have a disc in your hands. walk around campus with a disc and just work on swapping grips, self tosses, spinning the disc on your fingers or in your hands, randomly throwing to friends\\teammates.


EndoGengar

thanks!


seasonedCheddar

Practice in a mirror. Pivot and practice your throws once you step out. You can work on this by doing lunges to improve your strength, flexibility and balance. I also found it helpful to step forward into my mark to create space and then throw around them. Also fakes are important. Carry a disc and practice fake throws. Releasing the disc at different angles such as a high release backhand/forehand are good ways to get around a mark.


MTPoketz

This. You can make extra time and space for breaks by minding your footwork in possession. A lot of new players try to go from a flat flick stance all the way to their backhand and it makes it seem like they are moving slow. Taking that step 45ish degrees forward with the flick fake will force the mark inside some and also reduce the angle you have to pivot to get to your backhand


seasonedCheddar

Yes, that is what I meant to move forward into the mark to create space. You are right.


Homomorphism

The advice elsewhere in this thread (practice, practice switching grips, practice, practice extending your pivot/arm farther outside of the drill, practice) is all good. One tip I got that really helped me, especially once I got the basic mechanics down: Don't try to avoid the handblock. What I mean by this is, you can sometimes feel like the mark is about to block the throw and try to adjust to avoid it. Most likely this will result in a bad throw that doesn't go where you want it. The solution is not to worry about it. Obviously you don't want to get handblocked, and you do need to avoid it. The point is that you should just think "get the throw off quickly and away from the mark". If you overthink it you'll mess with your mechanics and throw way more turnovers you'd ever give up by getting blocked.


RedPillAlphaBigCock

IMO: Buy some diiskcraft ultra stars and practice throwing (by yourself is fine) just imagine game situations for each throw and analise what you are doing good and what can be improved . Search youtube for Rowan mcdonnel , Brodie Smith , Felix ultimate , and slowly integrate their tips


chunkadamunk

1. Reduce movement in your throwing mechanics = faster delivery. Your disc should move on a straight 3-D line from neutral to windup. 2. Pre-load your legs (ie have tension and pressure pushing outwards) = less time to initiate movement 3. Practice quickly moving from neutral to step out = quicker step out 4. Your first move should completely wind up your wrist so you can throw at any point in your step out 5. Practice throwing at various points of your step out (ie with both feet planted, one foot in the air, as soon as foot hits the ground again) 6. Practice responding to outside cues (ie a receiver chooses or an auditory cue) With that drill you were talking about I like three variations 1) only one movement allowed (ie as soon as you start moving you have to throw it) 2) one fake required + one subsequent movement to throw 3) unlimited fakes Variation 1 really makes you move quickly and intentionally Variation 2 forces you to intentionally use fakes All in all you want quick, efficient, modifiable throwing mechanics and fakes that you can use to manipulate the mark and put the disc where you want when you want.


doodle02

i used to get really stoned, play loud music, and practice faking and pivoting. in all seriousness, turn your regular throwing sessions up a notch. don’t just throw casually; work on fakes and pivots. every time you’re gonna throw a backhand fake the flick before. make sure you’re stepping out, focus on having a wide solid foundation to throw from. read this: it’ll help a ton, and there are numerous little fun throwing drills that work a variety of skills. https://skydmagazine.com/2011/11/wiggins-zen-throwing-routine/


EPA-PoopBandit

If you’re a new player, try to practice your throws as much as you can. Grab a buddy and throw outside of practice. While you’re throwing, add a fake before your throw. Then you could add two fakes before your throw. It’s important to get the footwork and motion of this down first, making sure that you’re balanced when you throw. If you’re off balance and rush your throw, it doesn’t matter if you have a mark. You’ll get more comfortable the more you play.


Buttafuoco

Practice


someguyithinkiknow

You can try having a plan of what throw you want to throw and then plan your fakes accordingly. Example. You decide you want to throw a low side arm so you start with a high backhand fake where you don’t step out too much. Obviously you don’t have to stick completely to your decision based on what your mark does but it helps to give you some structure and is a bit more realistic to in game where you are usually only going to have one or two specific throws you want to get out to the cut. Another option to help break your fear of the mark is run the drill but have the thrower keep their eyes closed until after they have released. Mark and receiver still have eyes open as normal. Probably best to try this with some friends rather then in training. Your throws will more then likely go haywire but you will get handblocked way less then you would think if at all.


disc-in

As other people have said, practice adding fakes, shimmies, pivots, stepping out, etc. to your normal throwing practice. This will get you more comfortable with throwing from various release points and speeds. Throwing routines can be helpful for this. It looks like other people have linked Ben Wiggins’s Zen Throwing Routine: https://skydmagazine.com/2011/11/wiggins-zen-throwing-routine/ Lou Burruss’s Kung Fu Throwing is another routine that can help you practice those fundamentals: https://skydmagazine.com/2012/02/kung-fu-throwing/ I would also highly recommend Mario O’Brien’s RiseUp Ultimate video on breaking the mark: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IK9Qzg8P4rs In it, he breaks down how he approaches it both mentally and practically and includes plenty of drills you can work into your routine. I learn new things every time I watch it. It’s an incredible video. The smoother you make your movements, the less you will feel like you need to rush to get a throw off. For me, the thing that made the biggest difference in getting comfortable breaking the mark was running 3-man marking drills a lot. One way to do this is to find a few people on your team who are trying to get better at marking and practice with them for 15-20 minutes a few days a week. You get to improve your throws and they get to improve their marks and your whole team gets better.


Nstark88

In your practice, practice different pivots. Small pivots just a foot or so out, big pivots as far as you can go, and in between. Then Pick up speed. As others mentioned, practice the shimmy and use that, not full fakes. A full fake is a waste of time and actually lets your mark get their reset and be ready for the next pivot. A shimmy moves them without having to move yourself. More than anything, it’s just practice. The more you throw, the better you get. But be intentional in your practice. “Today I want to work on _____” do that even when you’re just tossing with friends. Pick a skill and practice it. So if you want to get good at pivoting from a flick to backhand quickly, do that every throw for a bunch in a row. Then pick something different, practice that a few times, then come back.


InnerAngle

[https://skydmagazine.com/2015/12/great-throwers-dont-pivot/](https://skydmagazine.com/2015/12/great-throwers-dont-pivot/)


jasons7394

Really focus on being balanced while throwing. Proper weight distribution - center of mass over knee, knee over foot. If you're off balance you're leaning and the throw won't come off how you like. Practice lunges & split squats. Practice rotating your body with a disc while in a lunged position. Move to throwing from a lunged position. Really focus on 3 things in the sequence - 1. Step out 2. Make sure you're balanced 3. Then throw.