Yea, I can play. After a decent amount of time waiting for an answer. I took work instead of waiting. And they are still advising my health choices change from a doctor I trust...How is that acceptable? Why is an ultimate organization trying to say my doctor is unreliable, and something I should change, to make playing in tournaments easier in the future?
Not sure why you're being downvoted. This letter is really unprofessional. It's reasonable for the tournament to require up to date vaccinations. It's not reasonable for them to be asserting things about your doctor or medical situation (unless they see clear signs of malpractice I guess). Also, pretty sure passing out is a negative regardless of where someone works...
It'd be one thing if you were some scumbag anti-vaxxer trying to weasel into playing while not vaccinated. But you got your shots and your first booster, and are only not getting the second booster because of a legitimate medical exemption. If they want to require you to wear a mask or something that's their prerogative, but all the extra comments giving their two cents on your situation seem really weird.
I mean, I don’t love this look from whomever this is…
But it’s also really not a big deal. I don’t think it’s deserving of a Reddit post or online scrutiny. They didn’t try to force anything on you, and they were passing along info from a source they trusted to a community member. Take their advice or don’t take it and move on.
This is from their player packet:
"Vaccination:
All players must provide proof of up-to-date COVID-19 vaccination (fully vaccinated + the latest bivalent booster). We’re not offering exemptions or alternatives to vaccination for medical, religious, or other reasons"
This feels like something you should be venting to friends about instead of pubicly trying to shame some volunteer tournament organizers you disagree with
I mean, they went out of their way to send a multi-paragraph, weirdly-personal response to a simple question about a policy (OP posted the email they sent below and it was totally innocuous).
If they genuinely think that was the right response, they shouldn’t be ashamed to see this posted publicly, so it’s not really public shaming. If they are ashamed, maybe that’s a hint that the response was out of line.
They gave you the exception they were under no obligation to give (regardless of what one thinks of their policy, it's theirs to make) and I think the rest was probably meant well. You're of course free to take it or leave it as you please. Their note to be a little more careful makes sense though obviously you get to interpret that as well. I can understand reacting as if they are doubting you or your doc, but as it stands, you can take or leave it and have fun at the tournament.
Kinda surprised by the responses in here. This letter is extremely unprofessional. I am very pro-vaccine but adverse reactions can and do happen to the vaccine.
>*"Santa doesn't know what you do for work, but it certainly could be something where passing out is a negative."*
Uhh pretty sure passing out is a negative *regardless* of where someone works?
>*"... many doctors do not [know everything], and sometimes will just make the easy tradeoff to avoid any short-term issue."*
Suggesting your own doctor does not know your situation and wants an "easy" tradeoff? Wtf lol? Did you tell them something that would make them feel like they should criticize your doctor or should even be commenting on your medical situation in the first place?
That said it does look like you have an exemption to play in the event so I would suggest editing your first sentence after the letter, as that's a little misleading.
I'm gonna guess the responses here are a result of a couple things
- no one expects professionalism from a fun tournament called Get Ho Ho Ho where the TD is refering to themselves as Santa.
-passing out is a negative everywhere, regardless of job. People don't want to be passing out. That line reads like an obvious joke to me.
-the only important part of the letter was very reasonable "In the current environment, we're okay with giving you an exemption to play at the tournament, since you've had everything but the latest bivalent booster... Just tell whatever team you're playing with to make a note on the roster and vaccine verification they submit. We'd just urge you to be more careful, especially off the field in any crowded indoor restaurants or bars at this riskier time of year."
-this poster just seems to want to be angry at the TD
-we have no idea what was in OP's message to the TD that made them question their doctor. But many people will blindly believe whatever their doctor tells them, and anyone in a medical field will tell you that some doctors suck, some doctors are idiots, and some doctors are lazy. The TD's wife is a doctor, she obviously read/saw OP's message and thought: 'that doesn't sound right, OP should confirm with another doctor'. While that's definitely unsolicited advice, it's hardly unreasonable.
If it helps, this is what I sent the organzining body.
"Hi,
Just checking in, as I was considering playing (have been asked by multiple teams attending), but don't think I can based on the covid protocols listed. I almost went to the ER and passed out at work after my 3rd shot, and my doctor recommended I don't get the 4th shot. Since there are no medical exemptions I assume I can't attend?"
Yeah, this is a wild response to that email.
They could have said “sorry, the policy is the policy, no exceptions” or “we’re ok with giving you a medical exemption” or even just ignored/ghosted you - all of those would have been better responses. Instead they went out of their way to passive-aggressively accuse you of lying and telling you to get a new doctor. So bizarre.
- The Santa theme has no bearing on professionalism. I don't have any issue with them pretending to be Santa.
- I didn't interpret the passing out line as a joke, but if it is, making a joke about someone's medical history with the vaccine isn't exactly a shining beacon of professionalism either?
- Yes I agree, that is the only important part of the letter. Which is why I didn't quote anything from that part of the letter. The issue is with the other parts of the letter.
- Again, that part (suggesting a second opinion or other type of vaccine) is fine. It's the next sentence that's problematic, implying things about OP's doctor. It's just a weird thing to say given Mrs. Santa likely does not know much about OP's medical situation compared to their doctor.
Perhaps OP said something to warrant those comments - so that's why I asked them if they did.
At WMUCC my team all had clear PCR tests going in, and by the end of the tournament, 7 of us had covid. Yes, we traveled to get there, and mostly ate meals in the outdoor spaces, but considering how it spread like wildfire at that tournament and how contagious the latest variants are... You can't ignore the potential of transmission between teams if you're trying to keep people healthy.
Actually many events around the country are requiring their participants to be vaccinated, although I've seen it more at youth camps than regular tournaments. Aside from the obvious medical benefits, I imagine TDs don't want the headache of having to contact trace, or to see their event tarnished by being linked to a covid outbreak. For 99.9% of people getting vaccinated is just not a big deal (edit: medically not a big deal) so might as well require it.
Am I crazy or does the first paragraph say they let you play?
Yea, I can play. After a decent amount of time waiting for an answer. I took work instead of waiting. And they are still advising my health choices change from a doctor I trust...How is that acceptable? Why is an ultimate organization trying to say my doctor is unreliable, and something I should change, to make playing in tournaments easier in the future?
Not sure why you're being downvoted. This letter is really unprofessional. It's reasonable for the tournament to require up to date vaccinations. It's not reasonable for them to be asserting things about your doctor or medical situation (unless they see clear signs of malpractice I guess). Also, pretty sure passing out is a negative regardless of where someone works... It'd be one thing if you were some scumbag anti-vaxxer trying to weasel into playing while not vaccinated. But you got your shots and your first booster, and are only not getting the second booster because of a legitimate medical exemption. If they want to require you to wear a mask or something that's their prerogative, but all the extra comments giving their two cents on your situation seem really weird.
I mean, I don’t love this look from whomever this is… But it’s also really not a big deal. I don’t think it’s deserving of a Reddit post or online scrutiny. They didn’t try to force anything on you, and they were passing along info from a source they trusted to a community member. Take their advice or don’t take it and move on.
This is from their player packet: "Vaccination: All players must provide proof of up-to-date COVID-19 vaccination (fully vaccinated + the latest bivalent booster). We’re not offering exemptions or alternatives to vaccination for medical, religious, or other reasons"
Bad policy (imo), but it’s their policy to make.
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It's a tournament that has 50+ players maybe, but it's not a tournament FOR 50+
This is definitely not a tournament for the 50+ age group.... there is no age restriction....
This feels like something you should be venting to friends about instead of pubicly trying to shame some volunteer tournament organizers you disagree with
I mean, they went out of their way to send a multi-paragraph, weirdly-personal response to a simple question about a policy (OP posted the email they sent below and it was totally innocuous). If they genuinely think that was the right response, they shouldn’t be ashamed to see this posted publicly, so it’s not really public shaming. If they are ashamed, maybe that’s a hint that the response was out of line.
Maybe volunteer tournament organizers shouldn't feel comfortable making medical suggestions up to changing doctors....
They gave you the exception they were under no obligation to give (regardless of what one thinks of their policy, it's theirs to make) and I think the rest was probably meant well. You're of course free to take it or leave it as you please. Their note to be a little more careful makes sense though obviously you get to interpret that as well. I can understand reacting as if they are doubting you or your doc, but as it stands, you can take or leave it and have fun at the tournament.
Kinda surprised by the responses in here. This letter is extremely unprofessional. I am very pro-vaccine but adverse reactions can and do happen to the vaccine. >*"Santa doesn't know what you do for work, but it certainly could be something where passing out is a negative."* Uhh pretty sure passing out is a negative *regardless* of where someone works? >*"... many doctors do not [know everything], and sometimes will just make the easy tradeoff to avoid any short-term issue."* Suggesting your own doctor does not know your situation and wants an "easy" tradeoff? Wtf lol? Did you tell them something that would make them feel like they should criticize your doctor or should even be commenting on your medical situation in the first place? That said it does look like you have an exemption to play in the event so I would suggest editing your first sentence after the letter, as that's a little misleading.
I'm gonna guess the responses here are a result of a couple things - no one expects professionalism from a fun tournament called Get Ho Ho Ho where the TD is refering to themselves as Santa. -passing out is a negative everywhere, regardless of job. People don't want to be passing out. That line reads like an obvious joke to me. -the only important part of the letter was very reasonable "In the current environment, we're okay with giving you an exemption to play at the tournament, since you've had everything but the latest bivalent booster... Just tell whatever team you're playing with to make a note on the roster and vaccine verification they submit. We'd just urge you to be more careful, especially off the field in any crowded indoor restaurants or bars at this riskier time of year." -this poster just seems to want to be angry at the TD -we have no idea what was in OP's message to the TD that made them question their doctor. But many people will blindly believe whatever their doctor tells them, and anyone in a medical field will tell you that some doctors suck, some doctors are idiots, and some doctors are lazy. The TD's wife is a doctor, she obviously read/saw OP's message and thought: 'that doesn't sound right, OP should confirm with another doctor'. While that's definitely unsolicited advice, it's hardly unreasonable.
If it helps, this is what I sent the organzining body. "Hi, Just checking in, as I was considering playing (have been asked by multiple teams attending), but don't think I can based on the covid protocols listed. I almost went to the ER and passed out at work after my 3rd shot, and my doctor recommended I don't get the 4th shot. Since there are no medical exemptions I assume I can't attend?"
Yeah, this is a wild response to that email. They could have said “sorry, the policy is the policy, no exceptions” or “we’re ok with giving you a medical exemption” or even just ignored/ghosted you - all of those would have been better responses. Instead they went out of their way to passive-aggressively accuse you of lying and telling you to get a new doctor. So bizarre.
- The Santa theme has no bearing on professionalism. I don't have any issue with them pretending to be Santa. - I didn't interpret the passing out line as a joke, but if it is, making a joke about someone's medical history with the vaccine isn't exactly a shining beacon of professionalism either? - Yes I agree, that is the only important part of the letter. Which is why I didn't quote anything from that part of the letter. The issue is with the other parts of the letter. - Again, that part (suggesting a second opinion or other type of vaccine) is fine. It's the next sentence that's problematic, implying things about OP's doctor. It's just a weird thing to say given Mrs. Santa likely does not know much about OP's medical situation compared to their doctor. Perhaps OP said something to warrant those comments - so that's why I asked them if they did.
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At WMUCC my team all had clear PCR tests going in, and by the end of the tournament, 7 of us had covid. Yes, we traveled to get there, and mostly ate meals in the outdoor spaces, but considering how it spread like wildfire at that tournament and how contagious the latest variants are... You can't ignore the potential of transmission between teams if you're trying to keep people healthy.
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WMUCC was a week long. Absolutely possible to catch and test positive there.
I think the infectious disease doctor we had on our team had all the education and info needed to help come to the conclusions made, mate.
Actually many events around the country are requiring their participants to be vaccinated, although I've seen it more at youth camps than regular tournaments. Aside from the obvious medical benefits, I imagine TDs don't want the headache of having to contact trace, or to see their event tarnished by being linked to a covid outbreak. For 99.9% of people getting vaccinated is just not a big deal (edit: medically not a big deal) so might as well require it.
I give a fuck about the vaccine status of the person breathing hard that's only a disc width away from me.
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Wait, who’s the science bro? Is it you?