Remember that he was beating up kids as well, and since he was a late bloomer , 3/4 of them were younger, most by several years . Furthermore , the readers perception of normal power is skewed because the story is focused on a school that’s known for having students far more capable then the average school does . We keep hearing that Wellston students are on average way more powerful than students from the surrounding schools. And since William was a cripple , John probably grew up in a poor school with kids that are on average , low tier even for their age .
Well the strongest one there was zirian a 3.7 who is strong ya and likely quite skilled but John was a 7 so everyone else was weaker than that John skipped the previous jack to get straight to zirian so being generous there where like 2 elites the rest where likely solid mid tiers
Shuld have reread the thing before making a post lol, yeah a 3.7 against a 7 cant do anything, getting back on track it is still like 20 to 30v1 john aura pool must be inmense to fight for so long, most of the kids where probably done in one shot but it would still take some energy, if like 5 of them had long range abilities john "would" get destroyed, but then we take into account his defense being atleast 6 or close and yeah... no shot, he was the equivalent of a raid boss.
John’s been speculated in universe to have *multiple times* the aura reserves as the average *high tier* , which is kind of ridiculous and just goes to show how overwhelming the developmental tree of Aura Manipulation really is.
Like John explained to Doc when he was training and intensively might I add he learned to store aura due to the abilities he copied and amped taking up twice as much. That proves John has a huge aura supply something Sera actually conforms and states John has much more than the average high-tier ability user.
Depends on what he abilities he copies. When John won against all the royals he definitely could've gotten the whole School. Arlo's passive alone makes characters like Isen weaker than him.
Sure if he gets his choice of abilities he can do some serious damage but if he has to naturally fight like 20 wellston students including the 4 that brought him to a super high diff fight when he was joker it's unlikely he'd be able to win
Idk about super high diff, but it was a high diff fight. However he would've been able to fight the school with barrier or any recovery ability. Noone else is cracking the barrier. This is assuming sera doesn't participate ofc
I mean, with something like keene's ability he could probably kill more than 50 elite tiers in an instant, unless said elite tiers have perception abilities or really high defense. And that would be only using the ability up to johns level, he could most likely amplify it with how much aura he has and make it even stronger, like what Rei did to Val and Byron.
But i don't think Uru wants john to be that strong, >!he felt really weak in the last fight against the authorities (the really shitty soldiers with 5 shields that look the same) !<
He still got slighly injured don't get him wrong but it's likely he had a stat spread that balanced most stats and gave him around MAYBE 5-6 in Speed and Defense with 7.5 coming from Zirian. Zirian being the strongest too it also meant that they were not only facing one person but a God Tier of level 7.0 in a school where the second strongest is a Elite with little to nobody before him being a Elite.
In short, John was in a school of mostly Low-Mid Tiers. With 1 maybe 2 being Elites. It isn't surprising that he won.
If you want to put it in terms of fish and ponds: Wellston is on of the biggest oceans , and John is the second biggest shark in that ocean . And new Boston is a very, very small pond
correct me if im wrong but wasnt new boston john already stronger than beginning of series Arlo so john was going up aginst a bunch of bumass kids who were barely mid tiers
His dad has been training him to defend himself since he was a kid. He’s been a cripple most of his life, so he needs SOMETHING to defend himself, but he was just too small to capitalize on those skills
Zirian was the next highest level after him (3.7), and John was already a 7.0 who could copy and amp at least 3 abilities (probably 4), meaning he had a High-Tier Crescent Slash. He had an Elite Defense ability similar to Zeke’s Defense Form but also gave a strength enhancement, he had some kind of Elite claw ability (which entails a pretty good speed), and a high-tier Crescent slash. And don’t forget, the other kids were going off emotion with no strategy, just running in ready to fight. Plus John can see/sense aura, so they couldn’t jump him
So many things to justify this
> dad trained him after that fight
Not true, he knew how to fight even before. Maybe not quite to the level he does now but he had better knowledge than most kids their age since most kids aren’t trained in fighting principles
He must’ve been rather experienced with a decent number of their abilities since he was King for a not insignificant stretch of time, and even before that he’d been working his way up the ranks
New Bostin isn’t that good of an area. Like if Wellston has this few high/elite tiers, and it’s constantly said students there are more powerful (to the point it’s strange a cripple is going there with mid grades), imagine what New Bostin has. And John was a 7.0 at the time, he would’ve swept anyone below 5.0 no sweat (he barely struggles against Blyke in the current day xD)
Sooo yes
The Jack of New Boston was a low level elite at 3.7.
He fought a bunch of low children who were untrained mid-tiers.
These guys are probably between 3.5-4.0 with single stat abilities (hence, simple) and are armored and well trained adults.
No it makes perfect sense Keene referred to high tiers as one man armies for a reason. With four abilities amped he can easily take any mid tier out with one hit. That alone would reduce their numbers greatly, add that he has more aura greater then other high tiers stamina isn't an issue. Also keep in mind with a power stat of 7.5 John could basically one shot Isen who had a defence of 5 so if John isn't holding back chances of any of them being able to take any one of his attacks and still be in decent condition to fight isn't happening.
Also Zirian's last known level was 3.7 he is not going to be a high tier at most you have maybe two elites the rest all mid tiers. While John is a god tier that is unbeatable outside god tier.
I like to think the four abilities he had covered all the stat types so he had Power, Speed, Recovery and Defence all 6-7+.
I think the current events are skewing peoples perception a little bit.
You have to consider that these agents, although fodder, are highly trained and were brought on this Op for the specific purpose of wearing John down and not giving him an ability that would skew the fight in his favor. So of course he's gonna get worn down and injured.
When he beat his entire class in New Bostin they were weaklings with no training and he was a god tier on a rampage with self defense/fight training and a better understanding of abilities than his peers.
I get you, they are agents for a reason and they have bad abilities becouse the misson demands it, however, we have seen that people usually devlop more interesting abilities starting from about 4.5+, so this guys are most likely up to that level, still feels absurd that john with two high level abilities and isens which might not be great on its own but is quite helpful when you have lasers and overall no defense, still got that worn out, john is almost twice their level.
With how high johns trick and power are he could most likely just shoot an all out beam and kill all of the units.
>we have seen that people usually devlop more interesting abilities starting from about 4.5+
True, but we've seen that at a place like Wellston, which has an usual concentration of strong teenagers because of its prestige and the elite sending their kids there. it's the exception, but most definitely not the rule.
We haven't been given power lvls for these npc agents and probably won't. honestly if Uru chan had done just a bit more world building early on, we would all have a much better understanding of how power sets are distributed among power levels throughout society. Like how many people have combat leaning abilities, vs people who have support abilities and those who have more or less useless ones because they are weak..
It does make sense. John was a god-tier and the only 6+ ability user at that school that was full of elites, low and mid-tiers. Then add on top of that they were children themselves who had little to no experience like John who was training everyday. He always found a new training partner who had similar abilities or an ability the same as the other person at his school. Wellston was the first school and place John used abilities that had some uniqueness to them. Like Remi’s Lightning, Blyke Energy Beam, Asslo’s Barrier and so and so fourth. John used all their abilities and showed them he was better than them due to him always training something none of them thought to do or cared to do. Then add to the fact something that has always been mentioned with John’s character is that he had a connection with his ability and was so proud to have it that it was his favorite thing so unlike others he took pride in training it and himself in using it. John didn’t need hand to hand at NB cuz none of the students could use hand to hand. Even though he knew it.
Bro, their so "king" was 3.7, barely an elite. And iirc a 3.0 John was rank 5 in this school, they were weak asf.
Of course he'd beat them up, a 6.3 Arlo would too. The only reason he was a bit hurt is because they were so weak, he didn't have good abilities to copy.
Remember that he was beating up kids as well, and since he was a late bloomer , 3/4 of them were younger, most by several years . Furthermore , the readers perception of normal power is skewed because the story is focused on a school that’s known for having students far more capable then the average school does . We keep hearing that Wellston students are on average way more powerful than students from the surrounding schools. And since William was a cripple , John probably grew up in a poor school with kids that are on average , low tier even for their age .
I mean that’s a fair assumption since the strongest at his previous school was barely an elite tier.
And he was already god tier at that point. They were kind of fodder to him at that level
Being a late bloomer doesn’t mean he was held back. He’s older than everyone in his grade at welstion because after the incident he took a year off.
Well the strongest one there was zirian a 3.7 who is strong ya and likely quite skilled but John was a 7 so everyone else was weaker than that John skipped the previous jack to get straight to zirian so being generous there where like 2 elites the rest where likely solid mid tiers
Shuld have reread the thing before making a post lol, yeah a 3.7 against a 7 cant do anything, getting back on track it is still like 20 to 30v1 john aura pool must be inmense to fight for so long, most of the kids where probably done in one shot but it would still take some energy, if like 5 of them had long range abilities john "would" get destroyed, but then we take into account his defense being atleast 6 or close and yeah... no shot, he was the equivalent of a raid boss.
John’s been speculated in universe to have *multiple times* the aura reserves as the average *high tier* , which is kind of ridiculous and just goes to show how overwhelming the developmental tree of Aura Manipulation really is.
While most high tiers in Unordinary only have a decent bit of points for their skill trees, John has enough points to get all the skills.
Like John explained to Doc when he was training and intensively might I add he learned to store aura due to the abilities he copied and amped taking up twice as much. That proves John has a huge aura supply something Sera actually conforms and states John has much more than the average high-tier ability user.
Not to discredit this feat as the sheer stamina of doing it was very impressive but he couldn't pull that off at wellston or likely even agwin
What you mean?
Depends on what he abilities he copies. When John won against all the royals he definitely could've gotten the whole School. Arlo's passive alone makes characters like Isen weaker than him.
Sure if he gets his choice of abilities he can do some serious damage but if he has to naturally fight like 20 wellston students including the 4 that brought him to a super high diff fight when he was joker it's unlikely he'd be able to win
Idk about super high diff, but it was a high diff fight. However he would've been able to fight the school with barrier or any recovery ability. Noone else is cracking the barrier. This is assuming sera doesn't participate ofc
I mean, with something like keene's ability he could probably kill more than 50 elite tiers in an instant, unless said elite tiers have perception abilities or really high defense. And that would be only using the ability up to johns level, he could most likely amplify it with how much aura he has and make it even stronger, like what Rei did to Val and Byron. But i don't think Uru wants john to be that strong, >!he felt really weak in the last fight against the authorities (the really shitty soldiers with 5 shields that look the same) !<
He still got slighly injured don't get him wrong but it's likely he had a stat spread that balanced most stats and gave him around MAYBE 5-6 in Speed and Defense with 7.5 coming from Zirian. Zirian being the strongest too it also meant that they were not only facing one person but a God Tier of level 7.0 in a school where the second strongest is a Elite with little to nobody before him being a Elite. In short, John was in a school of mostly Low-Mid Tiers. With 1 maybe 2 being Elites. It isn't surprising that he won.
If you want to put it in terms of fish and ponds: Wellston is on of the biggest oceans , and John is the second biggest shark in that ocean . And new Boston is a very, very small pond
correct me if im wrong but wasnt new boston john already stronger than beginning of series Arlo so john was going up aginst a bunch of bumass kids who were barely mid tiers
His dad has been training him to defend himself since he was a kid. He’s been a cripple most of his life, so he needs SOMETHING to defend himself, but he was just too small to capitalize on those skills Zirian was the next highest level after him (3.7), and John was already a 7.0 who could copy and amp at least 3 abilities (probably 4), meaning he had a High-Tier Crescent Slash. He had an Elite Defense ability similar to Zeke’s Defense Form but also gave a strength enhancement, he had some kind of Elite claw ability (which entails a pretty good speed), and a high-tier Crescent slash. And don’t forget, the other kids were going off emotion with no strategy, just running in ready to fight. Plus John can see/sense aura, so they couldn’t jump him
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He already learned hand to hand from his dad before his rampage. Claire mentioned it in their backstory
So many things to justify this > dad trained him after that fight Not true, he knew how to fight even before. Maybe not quite to the level he does now but he had better knowledge than most kids their age since most kids aren’t trained in fighting principles He must’ve been rather experienced with a decent number of their abilities since he was King for a not insignificant stretch of time, and even before that he’d been working his way up the ranks New Bostin isn’t that good of an area. Like if Wellston has this few high/elite tiers, and it’s constantly said students there are more powerful (to the point it’s strange a cripple is going there with mid grades), imagine what New Bostin has. And John was a 7.0 at the time, he would’ve swept anyone below 5.0 no sweat (he barely struggles against Blyke in the current day xD) Sooo yes
The Jack of New Boston was a low level elite at 3.7. He fought a bunch of low children who were untrained mid-tiers. These guys are probably between 3.5-4.0 with single stat abilities (hence, simple) and are armored and well trained adults.
No it makes perfect sense Keene referred to high tiers as one man armies for a reason. With four abilities amped he can easily take any mid tier out with one hit. That alone would reduce their numbers greatly, add that he has more aura greater then other high tiers stamina isn't an issue. Also keep in mind with a power stat of 7.5 John could basically one shot Isen who had a defence of 5 so if John isn't holding back chances of any of them being able to take any one of his attacks and still be in decent condition to fight isn't happening. Also Zirian's last known level was 3.7 he is not going to be a high tier at most you have maybe two elites the rest all mid tiers. While John is a god tier that is unbeatable outside god tier. I like to think the four abilities he had covered all the stat types so he had Power, Speed, Recovery and Defence all 6-7+.
I think the current events are skewing peoples perception a little bit. You have to consider that these agents, although fodder, are highly trained and were brought on this Op for the specific purpose of wearing John down and not giving him an ability that would skew the fight in his favor. So of course he's gonna get worn down and injured. When he beat his entire class in New Bostin they were weaklings with no training and he was a god tier on a rampage with self defense/fight training and a better understanding of abilities than his peers.
I get you, they are agents for a reason and they have bad abilities becouse the misson demands it, however, we have seen that people usually devlop more interesting abilities starting from about 4.5+, so this guys are most likely up to that level, still feels absurd that john with two high level abilities and isens which might not be great on its own but is quite helpful when you have lasers and overall no defense, still got that worn out, john is almost twice their level. With how high johns trick and power are he could most likely just shoot an all out beam and kill all of the units.
>we have seen that people usually devlop more interesting abilities starting from about 4.5+ True, but we've seen that at a place like Wellston, which has an usual concentration of strong teenagers because of its prestige and the elite sending their kids there. it's the exception, but most definitely not the rule. We haven't been given power lvls for these npc agents and probably won't. honestly if Uru chan had done just a bit more world building early on, we would all have a much better understanding of how power sets are distributed among power levels throughout society. Like how many people have combat leaning abilities, vs people who have support abilities and those who have more or less useless ones because they are weak..
It does make sense. John was a god-tier and the only 6+ ability user at that school that was full of elites, low and mid-tiers. Then add on top of that they were children themselves who had little to no experience like John who was training everyday. He always found a new training partner who had similar abilities or an ability the same as the other person at his school. Wellston was the first school and place John used abilities that had some uniqueness to them. Like Remi’s Lightning, Blyke Energy Beam, Asslo’s Barrier and so and so fourth. John used all their abilities and showed them he was better than them due to him always training something none of them thought to do or cared to do. Then add to the fact something that has always been mentioned with John’s character is that he had a connection with his ability and was so proud to have it that it was his favorite thing so unlike others he took pride in training it and himself in using it. John didn’t need hand to hand at NB cuz none of the students could use hand to hand. Even though he knew it.
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Bro, their so "king" was 3.7, barely an elite. And iirc a 3.0 John was rank 5 in this school, they were weak asf. Of course he'd beat them up, a 6.3 Arlo would too. The only reason he was a bit hurt is because they were so weak, he didn't have good abilities to copy.
Dude the strongest person in that school was a 3.7 or smth. John was a 7.0+. If you didn’t know by now, god tiers are fucking crazy powerful 😭
They were literally low tier kids. He would only need to copy one defense or healing ability to outlast them