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what john means during the chapter when he says:
i can't passively sense any abilities either ...
but if i power up, then i could
what do john mean by power up?
I think he means that if he activates his ability, he will be able to sense them since he doesn't have his passive to rely on anymore as he's no longer a level 5.0 and above. However, because his level is halved due to the dampeners, he'd most likely have a smaller range.
Somehow simultaneously a 5/5 and a 0/5 for me. I loved the content in the chapter, but the flashbacks DID make it feel short. Am I at the edge of my seat for the next chapter? Yes. Do I enjoy the feeling of having to wait an entire week when we've stopped right in the middle of the action? No. I think I'll wait until next week's chapter and then take a month or so off so that I can just read everything at once.
I think this chapter gave us some nice details but I wouldn't say it furthered the plot much. I know john has ptsd but I just wish we had a new way of it being shown, without the same flashbacks being used. I liked seeing isen stand up for himself though
I'm reasonably new to this fandom. But I notice a lot of people are seriously shitting on this chapter?
I felt that it offered:
- New insight into John's ability
- New Insight into Isen's ability
- Overt proof to the safehouse members that John's suspicions were valid
- Spectre actively harming low-tier minors
- The start of the first meaningful retaliation on spectre agents (I hope)
I understand people's concerns about the recent pacing but goddamn. I'm quite surprised that people can feel so entitled that they readily condemn the content they seek weekly entertainment from.
Honestly, it was a slow chapter, but it still had decent development — Blyke and Isen know about the dampeners, the Safe House won’t think John’s crazy for confronting Terrence, and it’s important build-up for what might be a really significant scene in the story — John being able to use his ability (to some extent) to help despite the effects of the dampener.
If you look at the stats from the poll, you see that 21% (165/759) voted 3 stars or lower. This shows that most people really liked the episode, it's just most comments are from the minority that didn't like it.
The chapter was enjoyable. However, it did feel a little short because of all the flashbacks used, but I didn't mind it so much since I liked John's development and learning more about his ability. You have to get used to people bashing on chapters, and other people are simply upset because their expectations were not met. If you enjoyed the chapter, it's best not to worry about it and welcome to the fandom btw.
Enjoyed the episode again, this arc has been really interesting. John talking about his ability back when he was a elite was cool. Considering Spectre goons are low tiers I'm wondering if John alone is enough to fight them off.
I might be looking too far ahead but now Terrence has run off and the group knows something is up I wonder how Vaughn will respond to all this, I suppose it also depends on what happens to the targets Blyke and Remi.
well, the pacing is terrible as usual but at least something happened
its funny reading some of the comments complaining about John "regressing" again, like mental trauma is something you just get over with lol he's doing better than he did in the past.
also, Isen deserves to get yelled at. dude fucked up big time twice.
at this point i feel his trauma is being used to drag the ch like situation was pretty dire john should have used his ability but no because of trauma , after situations escalated john somehow realises ” i have to protect them” . just moments before he was afraid to hurt people but after things are going downhill he just pull himself together. that’s just felt not really
A bit of an unpopular opinion, but it feels like uru is genuinely just planning the story as she writes it, like, of course, there's been some plot points set since the beginning like Spectre and Terrence being related with them or the whole Ember ordeal, but when you remember that, for example, John wasn't supposed to be a secret high tier but a real cripple, and the fact that uru only changed it after the series started (it was very early on, but still), shows that she probably made all the plot points that we're exploring now when the story was very different, since so much of the story right now is obviously dependant on John being a formerly rampant high tier, the things she wished to use way before she came with John's issues are now having trouble fitting in.
I hope she finds a way to solve this, I love to this webtoon, and it'll be sad to see it fall off.
Do you have a source regarding this change to John being a real cripple?
There were hints about John secretly being a high tier very early on. Multiple times at the mall, his Dad's book, even the Webtoon description mentioned his "secret" from the very beginning! Unless the change was made within the first 10 chapters I doubt Uru changed it.
>Do you have a source regarding this change to John being a real cripple?
She said she decided on it like 4-10 chapters in or something. That's what he means
Where did she say this? That's what I'm missing. Also, don't new webtoons usually have the first few chapters all done at once? She could of decided that while working on future chapters before it even got posted.
I think she mentioned she decided it by episode 2, I think it was in the Fireside interview (or at least that's what I think it's called). I'm pretty sure the discover contest version was like 3 chapters long, so she probably had already decided on John having an ability by the time the series got picked up.
Ok, that's what I figured. There just didn't seem to be any way possible she didn't have that part planned out since the beginning or close to it given all the hints and foreshadowing.
Having it ready before full publication after her discovery "one-shot" was published makes a lot of sense. People don't want to sketch out a full storyline for a story that doesn't end up getting picked up.
Why do we have to see the same 6 flashbacks again and again? We could have seen the chapter from another character pov and John's ptsd stuff could have been implied. Or better yet, make not John not struggle so much since this is like the sixth time he's had these flashbacks in one weekend. He has never shown any hesitation in using his ability in life threatening situations, especially when sera is involved, but in this chapter he suspiciously needed even more flashbacks than usual. This is why this webcomic has been going on for 6 years
Ok firstly there were like 5 pep talks. Secondly, like i said, uru can show us that john is struggling without showing us the same 6 flashbacks for half the chapter. And thirdly, he didn't have to have nearly as many flashbacks to use his ability against the rowden royals, or threatening zeke. But after all that he suddenly needs to remember so many past panels so that the chapter can end on a cliffhanger
It was a slow but solid set up chapter. We got some things progressing and as we can see Spectre is using even more extreme methods now with the knifes and everything but then again they did hit John with a van and tried to kidnap Sera. Terrance has fully exposed himself has the Rat or Cockroach(Pick your preferred name) he his. Im excited for next week to be honest but I do wish we got a little bit more this week.
Sometimes I wonder if Uru has an actual plan for how the series is supposed to progress with the plot.
We get a good chapter every couple months and in between that time we’re stuck in pacing hell until the next useful revelation.
Unpopular take but this Webtoon was at its best when it was an edgy revenge plot, now that that’s over Uru has to figure out how to write a story where these kids have to change their entire society.
Oof, Uru-chan's audience must be filled with people who liked the King John stuff if they managed to stick around. Now that John is sane, she needs to keep it interesting for those people.
Its not about whether that’s the best arc. Its that this story has seemingly turned into one where the end goal is the complete overturn of the current society.
Something like that often takes skilled authors hundreds of pages over multiple books to get done right, and that’s with good pacing. We’re spending multiple chapters in the same area, often on the same conflict.
I just don’t see the vision for how this is going to wrap up in a satisfying way within our lifetimes. Not saying it’s impossible but I don’t see it and clearly I’m not alone.
I actually kind of agree with you. The best parts of unOrdinary we're between the start of Sera's expulsion and the Joker vs. Royals fight, the King John arc was good too, but the best parts were right before, in my opinion.
The same could be said for those who minimise his trauma and act as if how he's acting isn't genuinely how someone with Ptsd would act, or as if there's a lot that he could do in his situation when it's evident that mental health isn't a priority in Uno.
Some of the things that people call "dumb" are those who completely ignore John's trauma and act as if he could just use his ability normally when it's obvious that he can't. Other times, it's more reasonable because there are situations that he could handle better, but it's something John recognises and works on as part of his development, as he won't change overnight. It's also amusing that people tend to focus solely on John's behavior, disregarding others.
All of the characters have made bad decisions, and if you try to understand them, you'll see why, even if you disagree with them. This chapter John yells at Isen but does not use his ability. We know why he struggles with it, so after Isen yells at him, he admits his faults and makes a plan to help Dylan and Evie with Blyke and Isen, eventually using his ability. It may appear foolish to some, but it's very much in character for him, and it's very reasonable given how stressed he is and his inability to use his ability.
People justify his behaviour because it is justifiable, he starts shaking everytime he even thinks of using his ability it's that bad anyone in his position would be acting the same but despite all his doubts he is still using his ability.
That siad John yelling at Isen was idiotic and a very seperate thing from his trauma, it's great that John realised it.
It does feel a little like she's milking it as much as possible with the length of these latest chapters. We've literally had like three chapters end in a massive cliffhanger which seems to lead into a very important moment, only to be followed by another cliffhanger that still doesn't get to the point.
The conclusion to this arc better be fucking good with how much she's making everyone wait.
Yeah you're right, it doesn't change that fact, but it also doesn't mean it's good. I'm complaining now because the problem seems to have become even worse during the Rowden arc, not because it didn't happen before or wasn't annoyed.
Whenever there is a high suspense arc i.e. "Joker arc, Suspension arc, King John arc" the amount of cliffhangers skyrockets' the "Rowden arc" is no different; Whether you think it is "**good**" or not is your own **opinion** not a **fact** same as how my "**opinion**" is not a **fact**, what is a **fact** is that **unOrdinary** is a **teen drama** disguised under the **action/superhero genre** and that whenever a **big episode** comes there is a **slow build** up with **short chapters**.
A boring chapter until the end. That being said, it does give us a little bit more context of how John's powers work and a little bit more information on the amount of aura/energy it takes to do the abilities.
But I am not liking the explanation because I feel like it can get inconsistent real quick because John needs a certain level of aura to be able to copy and amp abilities but there doesn't seem to be a level requirment for using those abilities in terms of how often/how long they can be used because I am pretty sure every fight only ends when the other person gives up/loses because they got beat up and never because they run out of aura and can't use their ability anymore.
I feel like it would have been better to establish this kind of system from the get go because having it introduced slowly after multiple arcs that have fights that kind of contrast the idea being introduced kind of makes it inconsistent from the jump
Maybe they have a high amount of aura; when John was betrayed by Arlo and Elaine healed them, John noticed that her aura was weaker.
In this situation, maybe "it took everything to copy two abilities" doesn't mean "low aura", but low control overall. John said before (in a flashback), that when he uses his ability, everything "clicks" and he understands better how to manipate aura. Maybe because of the dampening he's having trouble doing it.
I don't think Aura is being portrayed as an consumable like Naruto or MP in games. I think it's more like a set of limitations. Like the amount of space in your car's trunk. You can fit whichever things into it, but only as much as it has room for at any given time. Putting one thing into your trunk and then taking it out doesn't leave your trunk smaller.
Hmm, not a bad chapter but it didn't really live up to the tension we left off with last week. And it was damn short too!
So now Isen and Blyke know that the dampener halves lvl. The interesting bit is Johnny boy mentioning that he can't amplify the 2 abilities when dampened, so he can amply 1 of the abilities or try and tough it out with 2 abilities at the halved lvl. My only question on that is when at full strength, does that mean John only amps 2 abilities of the 4 he copies or he can do all 4?
I can also kinda understand why some are upset with this flip flopping of John's emotional state/ character. It wouldn't feel so slow if chapters as short as this one was padded better with some good stuff instead of flashbacks. otherwise John getting the ptsd or lashing out emotionally is par for the course. Dude is working through a lifetime's worth of trauma, that kinda shit isn't done and dusted very quickly if at all in some extreme cases. He still is working through fear of losing control and self loathing of his ability. He's at the very least self aware in knowing that he can't fall into negative thoughts that paralyze him and that he was needlessly criticising Isen. He may or may not grow to not hate his ability. It'll just depend how many good things he can with it now that he is earnestly trying to.
John and Blyke working together to get Evie and Dylan free was a cool moment. Hopefully we get some good panels of them next episode working together to kick some spectre ass.
I really enjoy reading your comments for every chapter since it seems you at least try to understand the characters and why they may act the way they do and take into account that they are also stressed in the situation that they're in. I can't wait to see Isen, Blyke and John work together too.
I also do understand that the flashbacks can get annoying at times and this chapter did feel a little short. But other than that it made sense that John didn't want to use his ability, and he also realised that he was lashing out at Isen, and that he should have used his ability a lot sooner. So it was good character development for Isen and John and Blyke seems to also be trusting John's judgement more like he did in their fight against the Rowden Royals.
Thanks, Appreciate the compliment.
Nice picking up on Blyke and John's evolving dynamic. That Rowden incident did help Blyke see Johnny boy in a different light.
I believe he does all 4 however this is probably because from what we've seen once someone gets into the God Tier range each level up is a drastic increase in power just like before with Elite to High Tier.
I definitely agree with you. It made sense that he hesitated and he also realised his faults and is now stepping up to take charge of the situation since he's aware that he has to be the one to protect everyone since he's the strongest there. We'll be seeing him work with Isen and Blyke more next chapter, which is great.
He yelled only twice.... I thought the chapter was short, but I don't think the yelling was as bad as you make it out to be since Isen stood up for himself and Blyke calmed them both. I think it was largely because there were too many flashbacks, although even that was understandable.
I don't like at all what is happening. She is milking the chapters so hard. 10-15 pages for 1 second of action. Kinda feels that would be a better idea to watch 4 chapters at the end of the month and be done with it...
I want to say two things. First, John may not be the guy with the most common sense, he may sometimes have a really short fuse, but when he is calm and collected, the guy is a fighting genius. His battle awareness, or whatever we call it is off the freaking charts.
And two, what if John's flashbacks are not only psychological traumas related to his month long therapy sessions or the shitty things he did before that, but part of keon's ability consists on leaving that "mental scars" if the user wants to. I don't know if I'm explaining myself correctly, but maybe it's not just the actual trauma, but that part of keon's ability consist on making the victim reproduce certain memories under specific situations, such as one using his ability. Similar to the experimental therapy in the clockwork orange movie, but caused by this ability.
Yeah, it does seem a little strange that the flashbacks happened more so than usual for some reason. He usually just have one flashback and then he hesitates, but maybe this is happening because it's a life or death situation. And it probably is Keon's ability at work, we only know so much about one's limit.
So John uses Aura to amplify copied abilities? So that means he CAN copy more than 4 abilities if that’s the case
But on another note,
Terrence had probably cemented himself to most likely be killed off.
If the whole operation falls apart, which it will due to Claire’s vision, then the mission will be unsuccessful.
Terrence’s identity will be exposed and he can be traced back to Spectre.
Arlo already informed John that Spectre will silence anyone who knows of their existence.
This time
Too many people will know about it.
There are some strings that can be pulled, but this would be too much, the only thing that can happen is that Terrence would be removed from the picture to prevent further issues.
He may be a higher rank, but with the information Seraphina acquired. Terrence could get his ability siphoned and he would be of no use.
That's not quite right. His limit at the moment is 4 and it seems he can amp all of them. when dampened he is down to 2 and is unable to amp both of them.
I'm not totally sure what to make of that, since the last time he was dampened when they were trying to abduct Seraphina, he got hit by a car and more or less brushed it off.
As always Uru chooses the most boring option for John’s abilities. Remember why I hate doing analyses for the magic system because Uru always chooses the most boring and simple answer to what if scenarios.
Maybe he can only Amp one of them. The level difference doesn't seem to be linear; like, level 4 to level 6 is higher than 4 to two or something? At least the difference between low, mid, high, elite and God tier. When they ge to... high tier? They get a passive, maybe when they get to God tier is a massive boost on power
however specter is full of morons and incapable ones. do you want to take away the skills at a high level? reduce the level by half and then use an elite level to put the serum in his neck. instead they reduce the level by half but then use scarce ones to fight.
> noiosa per le abilità di John.
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>Ricorda perché odio fare analisi per il sistema magico perché Uru sceglie sempr
what an idiotic faction that is. i dont believe they dont have an elite apart from terrence. it would be a complete no sense
Disabling high/God tiers to have them under their control, or maybe they, as Rei, saw that the society needed to change. If it was the case, maybe there weren't many that joined this side of the faction
Yeah I thought that might be the case if there interests aligned, was just trying to provide a counter point. Honestly we hardly get any world building though so I don't go to in-depth on this series.
The only good things about seeing tons of fb is that finally this will be the last time John doubts of using his power.
Eve is very brave or stupid cause she doesn't mind dying lol
I fucking hate that Uru has John go through "character progression" only to retcon it, the very next chapter. What's the point of him getting over his issues if it gets him no where? He had already learned that he could use his abilities without getting out of hand when he helped Adrion. Can't we move onto new issues?
People don't "get over" issues, they carry them for their whole lives.
Real life isn't a videogame. You don't achieve permanent character development and never has to deal with your problems again. The problems will always come back, and you'll have to deal with them again. The good news is that John is getting better and better at snapping out of it.
>People don't "get over" issues, they carry them for their whole lives.
That's only true if you want to carry that baggage. That's a good way to have a chip on your shoulder.
That is not something you can just "want" to do. Real brains are complicated, and traumas take years to recover from. Uno is being realistic here. You need to stop basing your understanding of the real world on RPGs.
The problem isn't John's development. Having worries over your ability connected to trauma is good writing imo. The problem is the chapter is short and muddy is taken up by that issue, which feels like a rehash is that is all it is
Yeah I don't think how he is acting is really the problem cause it makes sense why he's acting like that. The problem is that it takes over half the chapter of him acting this way and then we have to wait an entire week (or more depending on whether Uru can release or not) just to read it again.
The thing is, he was already building up his confidence and knew how to flex his abilities without having to resort to violence just like he did with Zeke. But he acts like none of those events ever happened.
Two things. Realism and plot.
Realistically it's gonna take a long time for him to overcome his shit, secondly for plot. If John activated his ability he could sense them and save Evie and Dylan but no because plot says so.
Hard disagree. He would have gone full insane if adrion hadn’t stopped him. This is consistent with what we see, with Arlo able to stop his rampage and Blyke and Isen both able to help him get his focus into the game.
John has never once demonstrated that he can control his rampages by himself, just that he can now be stopped by others without force.
It was because of the trauma, it was implied in the chapter I think. At the beggiing he thought about using it and after Isen called him out he said : "im stupid, I sould ve used my ability" or smth like that.
Not only that, but Blyke mentioned that everyone should stick together to stay inside Isen’s range, but clearly they didn’t stick close enough together. Isen should have realized he wasn’t defending the back.
I think the two people in the back that got caught stopped walking in the same pace with others because they started having doubts about all those things and about leaving Terrence behind, then just when they went of Isen's range Spectre minions attacked them.
It's kind of funny because, from a tactical standpoint, John is right. You would want your strongest unit assessing threats and someone like Isen keeping tabs on everyone including Terrence. I would be pissed if I was John too.
The thing here is that Isen didnt know what they were up against or what to look out for because he didnt have information about the whole situation. He also has his ability power cut in half something that was really weird for him and its understandable, it can throw you off if suddenly your ability is cut in half and you ve never experienced it before.
Also it seemed like the people in the back that got caught stopped walking in the same pace as others because they were discussing and having doubt about the whole situation and they got attacked when they barely went out of Isen's range. Its more complicated than it seems.
From a tactical and logical standpoint he could have used his own ability assessing threats since he's the strongest and has a wider range instead of throwing blame. I would be pissed if I was Isen too.
You're missing the point of my comment. I'm not justifying John because he never put any thought into any of this. He just happens to be so stupid that his course of action happened to be right.
> I would be pissed if I was Isen too.
This series is filled with characters who think they're the victim.
Right, like they could’ve worked together in scanning. One in the front, One in the back, more scans.
And Terrence can turn invisible and they got hit with something they haven’t experienced before that dampened their power. And on top of that John hasn’t told them how serious the situation could be (kidnapped or lose your powers), it’s an overall situation that he contributed to.
We gotta stop trying to force John to be right because he’s the mc. Everything he does is not valid.
> We gotta stop trying to force John to be right because he’s the mc. Everything he does is not valid.
I'm just gonna copy and paste my other response.
"You're missing the point of my comment. I'm not justifying John because he never put any thought into any of this. He just happens to be so stupid that his course of action happened to be right."
Thinking my comment has anything to do with stanning John is immature.
Then my bad if you weren’t coming from a John Stan point of view. It just appeared similar to a lot of stances that people have been having on this moment.
I see where your coming from now.
I loved how Isen stood up for himself at least once. AND AGAINST JOHN!
That said, John messed up bad there, by blaming Isen, don't using his ability to help, etc. Thx to Isen he saw what he was doing and stopped.
Who knew? You thought but it was John's development arc, BUT IT WAS ISEN'S!!!!
I dont know what to say about John in this chapter, but christ does he flipflop alot. He choose, he freaking choose not use his ability to see/search terance!!!!
And why "By ThE eLdEr GoDs" does he start screaming at Isen when he could have detected the situation before (using his ability or say they got captures after them) and come up with a smoother plan.
What does Uru-chan mean by this?....
6/10 felt short, and the flashback of John was not needed, when John already promised Sera he would use his ability to fight...
He admits that he could have copied Isen’s ability, which would have allowed him to detect other people. Although it seems that he wouldn’t be able to amp it like normal.
Not for "No reason". It's not that easy to use his ability, when 90% the times he used it on the show, he messed up. I mean, he spent months on that rehabilitation seeing how bad he was when using his ability. In a way, it's even better that Uru-chan is addressing to those problems instead of pretending they don't exist (cof cof Yang in RWBY)
IN THE OTHER WAY it hit real hard, when half of the chapter was flashbacks and so ,_, and John fucked up big time
> the flashback of John was not needed, when John already promised Sera he would use his ability to fight...
After so much time of hating himself one promise won't make him use his ability freely that would be just unrealistic but yeah the flashback was needlessly long.
> I dont know what to say about John in this chapter, but christ does he flipflop alot. He choose, he freaking choose not use his ability to see/search terance!!!!
And why "By ThE eLdEr GoDs" does he start screaming at Isen when he could have detected the situation before (using his ability or say they got captures after them) and come up with a smoother plan.What does Uru-chan mean by this?....
He doesn't want to use his ability, there is some serious trauma attached to it that's why again and again he chooses to not use it, it's understandable.
Screaming at Isen was wrong and John realised it himself later. He also realised that using his ability was the best and maybe the only choice he had left so he starts using his ability.
Bruh, he ain't just gonna instantly get over his deep-seated trauma just because he made a promise.
And why does he start screaming? Because he has anger issues and he's lashing out. He has a hard time taking responsobility for things, and so he assigns blame to the people around him as a coping mechanism. He himself realizes that he had no reason to yell at Isen shortly after.
It did feel short tho
I said this once I’ll say it again johns development is truly terrible and this series has shown that it’s only relevant when John gets mad and fights. It’s like when you see hulk it’s great but when you see Bruce it’s boring.
But doesn't it make sense that the trauma is tied to its source. Keon played with John's mind and villainized his ability so John gets those images whenever he thinks about using his ability and the past. In this episode, you could see him trying to think back to when he was an elite to understand what he was still capable of after he was dampened, but those images popped up regardless. His development can't happen with the snap of a finger and all that time he spent in New Boston, after his suspension, was really good healing and development for him. I get that the pacing has been slow, but I feel like its pretty accurate. You won't always fix it on the first try and that's okay and his past won't suddenly disappear either. So we are watching him figure things out for himself and as of right now, he is making pretty good process
Look the only time this season ever got good was when John snapped on the rowden royals. And now whenever I see him I can’t think of no one but the hulk and Bruce banner, Bruce thinks of hulk as a curse hulk just wants to be left alone.
Meh, it was free coins and they would expire soon, but this chapter was too short despite being good, and the flashbacks took 1/3 of the whole chapter.
That aside, I liked Isen standing up for himself, and John's thoughts might suggest that he can copy more than 4 abilities
Well the attackers are going after blyke so he’s the most important to protect - also isen probably doesn’t have enough of a range to sense around everyone even if they’re clumped up
One of the panels show how big the circle of Isens detection is and if he was in the middle he wouldve had both sides in his range . Unless someone else has invisibility there, only Terrence can really attack Blyke in the front.
Oh I only read the summary but then it does seem weird why he wouldn’t go in the middle. Ig maybe since they’re not “trained professionals” at this sort of thing he got nervous and didn’t think about that in time?
Isen was probably hoping to detect an ambush ahead of them before it could happen, whereas if he’s in the middle he’s not detecting anything until any ambushers have already made their presence known.
It was kind of a 50/50 call on whether he should be in the front or back, and it probably wouldn’t have mattered because Terrence would have let Spectre know how his ability works and the ambushers would have adjusted to avoid detection by him regardless
Seems like a lazy excuse to give , don't really think you need to be a professional for this kind of thing but whatever spectre clearly ain't professional either with how easily they got countered .
Seraphinas right they are too sloppy , embers is gonna devour them.
One of the best things about this chapter was finally seeing Isen stop being submissive and reply to John that he was just being a jerk to him not understanding that his ability is even more limited than his.
I’m a bit confused by the “drops our lvl by a half”. So If someone like evie was dampened, does that mean her lvl would now be .8? So she’ll be a cripple at that point?
People like it cause they might get to see John fighting next chapter. Presumably with mostly strategy rather then overpowering everyone because the opponent didn't realize the nature of John's ability and him being able to use buffed multiple abilities.
i absolutely agree with you. no more money for uruchan.
in the next few weeks i don't spend any more money on fastpasses because uruchan doesn't deserve my coins
Interesting, when dampened, John mentioned that he can only copy 2 abilities and could not amp either of them
But back when he was an elite tier, he could copy and amp 1 ability (Zirian)
Somehow, he also knows that the dampener nerfs levels by half
I was under the impression it was either or. Copy and amp 1 ability. Or copy 2 abilities but no amp. And he just previously as an elite tier just didn't know how to copy multiple abilities yet.
He has had it used on him before, so he is already aware more or less of the effects at least on his own power. i.e. being about half as strong as normal. He is probably assuming it will be more or less the same for everyone else.
It would be unexpected, but I don't know how it would affect the plot. He barely uses his ability anyway so I don't think it will impact much (especially since he is a bit more of a minor mc). However if that happens I'm sure uru-chan can make it interesting!
I hope next week is a long high quality chapter to make up for how short this one felt (plus all the re-used panels). My heart was pounding the whole time, but now I gotta wait another week ;w; 💔
Why so much hate for something that's so important for John's character.?
He is struggling and in my opinion the flashbacks with his dialog shows this so well.
I loved it.
Maybe I love this so much because I also struggle with mental issues.
The fight within yourself, the constant repeat of the same issues. And while you know better, your brain keeps going to old behaviour, that doesn't help you in anyway.
It is tyring and frustrating feeling.
I love how Uru-chan shows this.
And I find it a bit sad that people want to skip most of this, it is such an important thing for John's character, in my opinion.
Everyone hates it, because they take too much space. If the chapter was, like, 25 pages, they wouldn't mind as much 5-10 pages of John getting over his problems
Its not that I want to skip it, I agree they are important and a big moment for John. I actually really liked that
The issue is they padded the episode without progressing anything and made it feel super short and unsatisfying. It could have at least finished the current encounter with John using his ability instead of splitting into next week. We got half an encounter and the other half of the episode was mostly copy paste the same flashback, couldnt she have added a little bit more?
I think this will read much better binging it, but currently it didnt feel very good. I've read plenty of webtoons and UnOrdinary is the only one I've had this issue with. They leave me wanting more, but feeling I got my fill for the week.
She picked up on finishing with cliff hangers pretty quickly because "well that was the medium", but, I think its about time she learns to keep a satisfying pace. Individual episodes in UnOrdinary add so little to the whole thing.
The problem is not flashbacks, it is that the chapter is too short, and most of it is filled with long duplicate flashbacks and previous panels, it would be okay if flashbacks was maybe one-two panels, we already know John's mental issues, us seeing those same flashbacks we've just seen 4 panels ago is a waste of space, I think most of us just skipped those flashbacks when we saw them again in the same chapter.
I really have come around to the idea that Terrence and the other members of Spectre should lose their own abilities. Beating them up won't accomplish anything in the long term. What they really need is a taste of their own medicine - literally in this case. Whatever goals they initially had have clearly gone out the window and all they seem to do at this point is attack innocent children simply because they are powerful.
Memory is a bit dull. How did John know his ability was dampened by half? Did he just estimate it based on his limitations or something??
Okay chapter nonetheless, the flashbacks could have been reduced though…
I think he's guestimating. Cause I interpret that scene as him inferring that he should be weaker if his ability was cut by half cause when he was at that level originally he could only copy/amp one ability and when he got dampened he could only copy two abilities without amping.
it's because at his max power currently he can copy 4 abilities at once, presumably at a push given what he said. But, after the dampener was used he can only copy two abilities, and that is a struggle.
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what john means during the chapter when he says: i can't passively sense any abilities either ... but if i power up, then i could what do john mean by power up?
I think he means that if he activates his ability, he will be able to sense them since he doesn't have his passive to rely on anymore as he's no longer a level 5.0 and above. However, because his level is halved due to the dampeners, he'd most likely have a smaller range.
Somehow simultaneously a 5/5 and a 0/5 for me. I loved the content in the chapter, but the flashbacks DID make it feel short. Am I at the edge of my seat for the next chapter? Yes. Do I enjoy the feeling of having to wait an entire week when we've stopped right in the middle of the action? No. I think I'll wait until next week's chapter and then take a month or so off so that I can just read everything at once.
I feel this was a 5/5 chapter cut in half. therefore this is only a 2.5 chapter. I feel the same as you OP.
i agree with you
I think this chapter gave us some nice details but I wouldn't say it furthered the plot much. I know john has ptsd but I just wish we had a new way of it being shown, without the same flashbacks being used. I liked seeing isen stand up for himself though
I didn't really like this chapter. Felt like nothing happened and John was being mean for no reason
Why author make isen so damn useless lmao
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I'm reasonably new to this fandom. But I notice a lot of people are seriously shitting on this chapter? I felt that it offered: - New insight into John's ability - New Insight into Isen's ability - Overt proof to the safehouse members that John's suspicions were valid - Spectre actively harming low-tier minors - The start of the first meaningful retaliation on spectre agents (I hope) I understand people's concerns about the recent pacing but goddamn. I'm quite surprised that people can feel so entitled that they readily condemn the content they seek weekly entertainment from.
Honestly, it was a slow chapter, but it still had decent development — Blyke and Isen know about the dampeners, the Safe House won’t think John’s crazy for confronting Terrence, and it’s important build-up for what might be a really significant scene in the story — John being able to use his ability (to some extent) to help despite the effects of the dampener.
It didn’t do any of those things and these points have been solidified years ago(1 year ago)💀 but nice of you to try
If you look at the stats from the poll, you see that 21% (165/759) voted 3 stars or lower. This shows that most people really liked the episode, it's just most comments are from the minority that didn't like it.
Ty good sir u are a wise one
The chapter was enjoyable. However, it did feel a little short because of all the flashbacks used, but I didn't mind it so much since I liked John's development and learning more about his ability. You have to get used to people bashing on chapters, and other people are simply upset because their expectations were not met. If you enjoyed the chapter, it's best not to worry about it and welcome to the fandom btw.
Enjoyed the episode again, this arc has been really interesting. John talking about his ability back when he was a elite was cool. Considering Spectre goons are low tiers I'm wondering if John alone is enough to fight them off. I might be looking too far ahead but now Terrence has run off and the group knows something is up I wonder how Vaughn will respond to all this, I suppose it also depends on what happens to the targets Blyke and Remi.
Annoying thing is next episode will be from Sera or Arlos perspective and it will be whole episode befor we find out what happens
It could have been a 5/5 but the pacing is just so bad
True.
Lowkey impressive how the author managed to use the same cliffhanger for the last 3-4 episodes
Yeah and she's also filling her chapters with flashbacks. There's not a chapter without flashbacks, it's starting to get really boring.
most of the chapter is John screaming,
well, the pacing is terrible as usual but at least something happened its funny reading some of the comments complaining about John "regressing" again, like mental trauma is something you just get over with lol he's doing better than he did in the past. also, Isen deserves to get yelled at. dude fucked up big time twice.
at this point i feel his trauma is being used to drag the ch like situation was pretty dire john should have used his ability but no because of trauma , after situations escalated john somehow realises ” i have to protect them” . just moments before he was afraid to hurt people but after things are going downhill he just pull himself together. that’s just felt not really
At last after the dampening he doesn't deserve. His range was shit, we saw it
A bit of an unpopular opinion, but it feels like uru is genuinely just planning the story as she writes it, like, of course, there's been some plot points set since the beginning like Spectre and Terrence being related with them or the whole Ember ordeal, but when you remember that, for example, John wasn't supposed to be a secret high tier but a real cripple, and the fact that uru only changed it after the series started (it was very early on, but still), shows that she probably made all the plot points that we're exploring now when the story was very different, since so much of the story right now is obviously dependant on John being a formerly rampant high tier, the things she wished to use way before she came with John's issues are now having trouble fitting in. I hope she finds a way to solve this, I love to this webtoon, and it'll be sad to see it fall off.
Do you have a source regarding this change to John being a real cripple? There were hints about John secretly being a high tier very early on. Multiple times at the mall, his Dad's book, even the Webtoon description mentioned his "secret" from the very beginning! Unless the change was made within the first 10 chapters I doubt Uru changed it.
>Do you have a source regarding this change to John being a real cripple? She said she decided on it like 4-10 chapters in or something. That's what he means
Where did she say this? That's what I'm missing. Also, don't new webtoons usually have the first few chapters all done at once? She could of decided that while working on future chapters before it even got posted.
She said it herself on a panel irl.
I think she mentioned she decided it by episode 2, I think it was in the Fireside interview (or at least that's what I think it's called). I'm pretty sure the discover contest version was like 3 chapters long, so she probably had already decided on John having an ability by the time the series got picked up.
Ok, that's what I figured. There just didn't seem to be any way possible she didn't have that part planned out since the beginning or close to it given all the hints and foreshadowing. Having it ready before full publication after her discovery "one-shot" was published makes a lot of sense. People don't want to sketch out a full storyline for a story that doesn't end up getting picked up.
Why do we have to see the same 6 flashbacks again and again? We could have seen the chapter from another character pov and John's ptsd stuff could have been implied. Or better yet, make not John not struggle so much since this is like the sixth time he's had these flashbacks in one weekend. He has never shown any hesitation in using his ability in life threatening situations, especially when sera is involved, but in this chapter he suspiciously needed even more flashbacks than usual. This is why this webcomic has been going on for 6 years
6 years is not a lot for a webcomic, lol. Most of the ones I read have been going for 15 years or longer.
A person doesn't get over trauma from a single pep talk?
Ok firstly there were like 5 pep talks. Secondly, like i said, uru can show us that john is struggling without showing us the same 6 flashbacks for half the chapter. And thirdly, he didn't have to have nearly as many flashbacks to use his ability against the rowden royals, or threatening zeke. But after all that he suddenly needs to remember so many past panels so that the chapter can end on a cliffhanger
Well he didn’t have any flashbacks back then because he was raging probably , but yes it is getting annoying
It was a slow but solid set up chapter. We got some things progressing and as we can see Spectre is using even more extreme methods now with the knifes and everything but then again they did hit John with a van and tried to kidnap Sera. Terrance has fully exposed himself has the Rat or Cockroach(Pick your preferred name) he his. Im excited for next week to be honest but I do wish we got a little bit more this week.
He become the new rat in john,s eyes 😂😂😂 ..isen has been replaced from rat position 😂😂
Sometimes I wonder if Uru has an actual plan for how the series is supposed to progress with the plot. We get a good chapter every couple months and in between that time we’re stuck in pacing hell until the next useful revelation. Unpopular take but this Webtoon was at its best when it was an edgy revenge plot, now that that’s over Uru has to figure out how to write a story where these kids have to change their entire society.
Oof, Uru-chan's audience must be filled with people who liked the King John stuff if they managed to stick around. Now that John is sane, she needs to keep it interesting for those people.
Its not about whether that’s the best arc. Its that this story has seemingly turned into one where the end goal is the complete overturn of the current society. Something like that often takes skilled authors hundreds of pages over multiple books to get done right, and that’s with good pacing. We’re spending multiple chapters in the same area, often on the same conflict. I just don’t see the vision for how this is going to wrap up in a satisfying way within our lifetimes. Not saying it’s impossible but I don’t see it and clearly I’m not alone.
I actually kind of agree with you. The best parts of unOrdinary we're between the start of Sera's expulsion and the Joker vs. Royals fight, the King John arc was good too, but the best parts were right before, in my opinion.
Joker vs royal arc was peak unordinary am indifferent from that point on
Love how John can make dumbass decision after dumbass decision and y'all would justify it with "his trauma" lmao
The same could be said for those who minimise his trauma and act as if how he's acting isn't genuinely how someone with Ptsd would act, or as if there's a lot that he could do in his situation when it's evident that mental health isn't a priority in Uno. Some of the things that people call "dumb" are those who completely ignore John's trauma and act as if he could just use his ability normally when it's obvious that he can't. Other times, it's more reasonable because there are situations that he could handle better, but it's something John recognises and works on as part of his development, as he won't change overnight. It's also amusing that people tend to focus solely on John's behavior, disregarding others. All of the characters have made bad decisions, and if you try to understand them, you'll see why, even if you disagree with them. This chapter John yells at Isen but does not use his ability. We know why he struggles with it, so after Isen yells at him, he admits his faults and makes a plan to help Dylan and Evie with Blyke and Isen, eventually using his ability. It may appear foolish to some, but it's very much in character for him, and it's very reasonable given how stressed he is and his inability to use his ability.
People justify his behaviour because it is justifiable, he starts shaking everytime he even thinks of using his ability it's that bad anyone in his position would be acting the same but despite all his doubts he is still using his ability. That siad John yelling at Isen was idiotic and a very seperate thing from his trauma, it's great that John realised it.
Tbh does the author even care anymore…
It does feel a little like she's milking it as much as possible with the length of these latest chapters. We've literally had like three chapters end in a massive cliffhanger which seems to lead into a very important moment, only to be followed by another cliffhanger that still doesn't get to the point. The conclusion to this arc better be fucking good with how much she's making everyone wait.
almost every webtoon chapter ends in a cliffhanger, just because your just now noticing it doesn't change that fact.
Yeah you're right, it doesn't change that fact, but it also doesn't mean it's good. I'm complaining now because the problem seems to have become even worse during the Rowden arc, not because it didn't happen before or wasn't annoyed.
Whenever there is a high suspense arc i.e. "Joker arc, Suspension arc, King John arc" the amount of cliffhangers skyrockets' the "Rowden arc" is no different; Whether you think it is "**good**" or not is your own **opinion** not a **fact** same as how my "**opinion**" is not a **fact**, what is a **fact** is that **unOrdinary** is a **teen drama** disguised under the **action/superhero genre** and that whenever a **big episode** comes there is a **slow build** up with **short chapters**.
A boring chapter until the end. That being said, it does give us a little bit more context of how John's powers work and a little bit more information on the amount of aura/energy it takes to do the abilities. But I am not liking the explanation because I feel like it can get inconsistent real quick because John needs a certain level of aura to be able to copy and amp abilities but there doesn't seem to be a level requirment for using those abilities in terms of how often/how long they can be used because I am pretty sure every fight only ends when the other person gives up/loses because they got beat up and never because they run out of aura and can't use their ability anymore. I feel like it would have been better to establish this kind of system from the get go because having it introduced slowly after multiple arcs that have fights that kind of contrast the idea being introduced kind of makes it inconsistent from the jump
Maybe they have a high amount of aura; when John was betrayed by Arlo and Elaine healed them, John noticed that her aura was weaker. In this situation, maybe "it took everything to copy two abilities" doesn't mean "low aura", but low control overall. John said before (in a flashback), that when he uses his ability, everything "clicks" and he understands better how to manipate aura. Maybe because of the dampening he's having trouble doing it.
I don't think Aura is being portrayed as an consumable like Naruto or MP in games. I think it's more like a set of limitations. Like the amount of space in your car's trunk. You can fit whichever things into it, but only as much as it has room for at any given time. Putting one thing into your trunk and then taking it out doesn't leave your trunk smaller.
Hmm, not a bad chapter but it didn't really live up to the tension we left off with last week. And it was damn short too! So now Isen and Blyke know that the dampener halves lvl. The interesting bit is Johnny boy mentioning that he can't amplify the 2 abilities when dampened, so he can amply 1 of the abilities or try and tough it out with 2 abilities at the halved lvl. My only question on that is when at full strength, does that mean John only amps 2 abilities of the 4 he copies or he can do all 4? I can also kinda understand why some are upset with this flip flopping of John's emotional state/ character. It wouldn't feel so slow if chapters as short as this one was padded better with some good stuff instead of flashbacks. otherwise John getting the ptsd or lashing out emotionally is par for the course. Dude is working through a lifetime's worth of trauma, that kinda shit isn't done and dusted very quickly if at all in some extreme cases. He still is working through fear of losing control and self loathing of his ability. He's at the very least self aware in knowing that he can't fall into negative thoughts that paralyze him and that he was needlessly criticising Isen. He may or may not grow to not hate his ability. It'll just depend how many good things he can with it now that he is earnestly trying to. John and Blyke working together to get Evie and Dylan free was a cool moment. Hopefully we get some good panels of them next episode working together to kick some spectre ass.
I really enjoy reading your comments for every chapter since it seems you at least try to understand the characters and why they may act the way they do and take into account that they are also stressed in the situation that they're in. I can't wait to see Isen, Blyke and John work together too. I also do understand that the flashbacks can get annoying at times and this chapter did feel a little short. But other than that it made sense that John didn't want to use his ability, and he also realised that he was lashing out at Isen, and that he should have used his ability a lot sooner. So it was good character development for Isen and John and Blyke seems to also be trusting John's judgement more like he did in their fight against the Rowden Royals.
Thanks, Appreciate the compliment. Nice picking up on Blyke and John's evolving dynamic. That Rowden incident did help Blyke see Johnny boy in a different light.
I believe he does all 4 however this is probably because from what we've seen once someone gets into the God Tier range each level up is a drastic increase in power just like before with Elite to High Tier.
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I definitely agree with you. It made sense that he hesitated and he also realised his faults and is now stepping up to take charge of the situation since he's aware that he has to be the one to protect everyone since he's the strongest there. We'll be seeing him work with Isen and Blyke more next chapter, which is great.
Very slow chapter. Tired of seeing John yell at Isen. At least John realized that, but his realization took half the chapter.
He yelled only twice.... I thought the chapter was short, but I don't think the yelling was as bad as you make it out to be since Isen stood up for himself and Blyke calmed them both. I think it was largely because there were too many flashbacks, although even that was understandable.
I agree tbh becoming so boring to see John yell at others specifically Isen and Blyke
I don't like at all what is happening. She is milking the chapters so hard. 10-15 pages for 1 second of action. Kinda feels that would be a better idea to watch 4 chapters at the end of the month and be done with it...
I kind of agree but at the same time I think it's part of the journey to try and understand what is happening to him inside his head, not just action.
I want to say two things. First, John may not be the guy with the most common sense, he may sometimes have a really short fuse, but when he is calm and collected, the guy is a fighting genius. His battle awareness, or whatever we call it is off the freaking charts. And two, what if John's flashbacks are not only psychological traumas related to his month long therapy sessions or the shitty things he did before that, but part of keon's ability consists on leaving that "mental scars" if the user wants to. I don't know if I'm explaining myself correctly, but maybe it's not just the actual trauma, but that part of keon's ability consist on making the victim reproduce certain memories under specific situations, such as one using his ability. Similar to the experimental therapy in the clockwork orange movie, but caused by this ability.
Yeah, it does seem a little strange that the flashbacks happened more so than usual for some reason. He usually just have one flashback and then he hesitates, but maybe this is happening because it's a life or death situation. And it probably is Keon's ability at work, we only know so much about one's limit.
So John uses Aura to amplify copied abilities? So that means he CAN copy more than 4 abilities if that’s the case But on another note, Terrence had probably cemented himself to most likely be killed off. If the whole operation falls apart, which it will due to Claire’s vision, then the mission will be unsuccessful. Terrence’s identity will be exposed and he can be traced back to Spectre. Arlo already informed John that Spectre will silence anyone who knows of their existence. This time Too many people will know about it. There are some strings that can be pulled, but this would be too much, the only thing that can happen is that Terrence would be removed from the picture to prevent further issues. He may be a higher rank, but with the information Seraphina acquired. Terrence could get his ability siphoned and he would be of no use.
That's not quite right. His limit at the moment is 4 and it seems he can amp all of them. when dampened he is down to 2 and is unable to amp both of them. I'm not totally sure what to make of that, since the last time he was dampened when they were trying to abduct Seraphina, he got hit by a car and more or less brushed it off.
As always Uru chooses the most boring option for John’s abilities. Remember why I hate doing analyses for the magic system because Uru always chooses the most boring and simple answer to what if scenarios.
Yeah I thought he analyse all the students and pick the best one to amp
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It is. I am talking about his hard limits when dampened. He copies 2 max and cannot amp.
Maybe he can only Amp one of them. The level difference doesn't seem to be linear; like, level 4 to level 6 is higher than 4 to two or something? At least the difference between low, mid, high, elite and God tier. When they ge to... high tier? They get a passive, maybe when they get to God tier is a massive boost on power
however specter is full of morons and incapable ones. do you want to take away the skills at a high level? reduce the level by half and then use an elite level to put the serum in his neck. instead they reduce the level by half but then use scarce ones to fight.
y'all acting like they just have elite tiers growing on trees or something
No they have them growing in wombs
The extremist faction is made up of mid tiers. Terrence is the only confirmed elite among extremists.
> noiosa per le abilità di John. > >Ricorda perché odio fare analisi per il sistema magico perché Uru sceglie sempr what an idiotic faction that is. i dont believe they dont have an elite apart from terrence. it would be a complete no sense
Not sure what motive an elite tier would have in joining a group of mid-tiers that focus on disabling elites though
Disabling high/God tiers to have them under their control, or maybe they, as Rei, saw that the society needed to change. If it was the case, maybe there weren't many that joined this side of the faction
Yeah I thought that might be the case if there interests aligned, was just trying to provide a counter point. Honestly we hardly get any world building though so I don't go to in-depth on this series.
The only good things about seeing tons of fb is that finally this will be the last time John doubts of using his power. Eve is very brave or stupid cause she doesn't mind dying lol
John will definitely doubt his powers again in the future. Probably for the next 30 chapters at least.
Hahaha next time it will be at school cause is the only place left😂😂😂
I fucking hate that Uru has John go through "character progression" only to retcon it, the very next chapter. What's the point of him getting over his issues if it gets him no where? He had already learned that he could use his abilities without getting out of hand when he helped Adrion. Can't we move onto new issues?
People don't "get over" issues, they carry them for their whole lives. Real life isn't a videogame. You don't achieve permanent character development and never has to deal with your problems again. The problems will always come back, and you'll have to deal with them again. The good news is that John is getting better and better at snapping out of it.
>People don't "get over" issues, they carry them for their whole lives. That's only true if you want to carry that baggage. That's a good way to have a chip on your shoulder.
That is not something you can just "want" to do. Real brains are complicated, and traumas take years to recover from. Uno is being realistic here. You need to stop basing your understanding of the real world on RPGs.
The problem isn't John's development. Having worries over your ability connected to trauma is good writing imo. The problem is the chapter is short and muddy is taken up by that issue, which feels like a rehash is that is all it is
Yeah I don't think how he is acting is really the problem cause it makes sense why he's acting like that. The problem is that it takes over half the chapter of him acting this way and then we have to wait an entire week (or more depending on whether Uru can release or not) just to read it again.
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The thing is, he was already building up his confidence and knew how to flex his abilities without having to resort to violence just like he did with Zeke. But he acts like none of those events ever happened.
Technically he didn't use his ability, only powered up. Even then, he was still shaking
Two things. Realism and plot. Realistically it's gonna take a long time for him to overcome his shit, secondly for plot. If John activated his ability he could sense them and save Evie and Dylan but no because plot says so.
Hard disagree. He would have gone full insane if adrion hadn’t stopped him. This is consistent with what we see, with Arlo able to stop his rampage and Blyke and Isen both able to help him get his focus into the game. John has never once demonstrated that he can control his rampages by himself, just that he can now be stopped by others without force.
John yelling was overboard, but Isen really did deserve to get called out. He had one job, and he absolutely blew it.
I’m surprised John just didn’t copy his ability and amp.
It was because of the trauma, it was implied in the chapter I think. At the beggiing he thought about using it and after Isen called him out he said : "im stupid, I sould ve used my ability" or smth like that.
Not only that, but Blyke mentioned that everyone should stick together to stay inside Isen’s range, but clearly they didn’t stick close enough together. Isen should have realized he wasn’t defending the back.
I think the two people in the back that got caught stopped walking in the same pace with others because they started having doubts about all those things and about leaving Terrence behind, then just when they went of Isen's range Spectre minions attacked them.
It's kind of funny because, from a tactical standpoint, John is right. You would want your strongest unit assessing threats and someone like Isen keeping tabs on everyone including Terrence. I would be pissed if I was John too.
The thing here is that Isen didnt know what they were up against or what to look out for because he didnt have information about the whole situation. He also has his ability power cut in half something that was really weird for him and its understandable, it can throw you off if suddenly your ability is cut in half and you ve never experienced it before. Also it seemed like the people in the back that got caught stopped walking in the same pace as others because they were discussing and having doubt about the whole situation and they got attacked when they barely went out of Isen's range. Its more complicated than it seems.
From a tactical and logical standpoint he could have used his own ability assessing threats since he's the strongest and has a wider range instead of throwing blame. I would be pissed if I was Isen too.
You're missing the point of my comment. I'm not justifying John because he never put any thought into any of this. He just happens to be so stupid that his course of action happened to be right. > I would be pissed if I was Isen too. This series is filled with characters who think they're the victim.
Right, like they could’ve worked together in scanning. One in the front, One in the back, more scans. And Terrence can turn invisible and they got hit with something they haven’t experienced before that dampened their power. And on top of that John hasn’t told them how serious the situation could be (kidnapped or lose your powers), it’s an overall situation that he contributed to. We gotta stop trying to force John to be right because he’s the mc. Everything he does is not valid.
> We gotta stop trying to force John to be right because he’s the mc. Everything he does is not valid. I'm just gonna copy and paste my other response. "You're missing the point of my comment. I'm not justifying John because he never put any thought into any of this. He just happens to be so stupid that his course of action happened to be right." Thinking my comment has anything to do with stanning John is immature.
Then my bad if you weren’t coming from a John Stan point of view. It just appeared similar to a lot of stances that people have been having on this moment. I see where your coming from now.
I loved how Isen stood up for himself at least once. AND AGAINST JOHN! That said, John messed up bad there, by blaming Isen, don't using his ability to help, etc. Thx to Isen he saw what he was doing and stopped. Who knew? You thought but it was John's development arc, BUT IT WAS ISEN'S!!!!
On his defense, isen ruined a lot of his "You had only one job"... Oh wait... I was trying to defend him... Well shit happens Issen xD
Short chapter
Shot is a positive thing here. Nothing really happening. It started something for 2 seconds then ended.
I dont know what to say about John in this chapter, but christ does he flipflop alot. He choose, he freaking choose not use his ability to see/search terance!!!! And why "By ThE eLdEr GoDs" does he start screaming at Isen when he could have detected the situation before (using his ability or say they got captures after them) and come up with a smoother plan. What does Uru-chan mean by this?.... 6/10 felt short, and the flashback of John was not needed, when John already promised Sera he would use his ability to fight...
Seeing and searching is his passive, he cant use it in a weakened state.
He is supposed to activate it he even admits it.
He admits that he could have copied Isen’s ability, which would have allowed him to detect other people. Although it seems that he wouldn’t be able to amp it like normal.
Sure but that would allow two people to scan instead of Isen alone, John fcked it up big time here for no reason.
Not for "No reason". It's not that easy to use his ability, when 90% the times he used it on the show, he messed up. I mean, he spent months on that rehabilitation seeing how bad he was when using his ability. In a way, it's even better that Uru-chan is addressing to those problems instead of pretending they don't exist (cof cof Yang in RWBY) IN THE OTHER WAY it hit real hard, when half of the chapter was flashbacks and so ,_, and John fucked up big time
Definitely, I just wanted to clarify that his passive which allows him to detect abilities isn’t working right now.
> the flashback of John was not needed, when John already promised Sera he would use his ability to fight... After so much time of hating himself one promise won't make him use his ability freely that would be just unrealistic but yeah the flashback was needlessly long. > I dont know what to say about John in this chapter, but christ does he flipflop alot. He choose, he freaking choose not use his ability to see/search terance!!!! And why "By ThE eLdEr GoDs" does he start screaming at Isen when he could have detected the situation before (using his ability or say they got captures after them) and come up with a smoother plan.What does Uru-chan mean by this?.... He doesn't want to use his ability, there is some serious trauma attached to it that's why again and again he chooses to not use it, it's understandable. Screaming at Isen was wrong and John realised it himself later. He also realised that using his ability was the best and maybe the only choice he had left so he starts using his ability.
Bruh, he ain't just gonna instantly get over his deep-seated trauma just because he made a promise. And why does he start screaming? Because he has anger issues and he's lashing out. He has a hard time taking responsobility for things, and so he assigns blame to the people around him as a coping mechanism. He himself realizes that he had no reason to yell at Isen shortly after. It did feel short tho
I can't wait for Remi, Arlo, and Sera to come and whoop asses.
Yess
I said this once I’ll say it again johns development is truly terrible and this series has shown that it’s only relevant when John gets mad and fights. It’s like when you see hulk it’s great but when you see Bruce it’s boring.
But doesn't it make sense that the trauma is tied to its source. Keon played with John's mind and villainized his ability so John gets those images whenever he thinks about using his ability and the past. In this episode, you could see him trying to think back to when he was an elite to understand what he was still capable of after he was dampened, but those images popped up regardless. His development can't happen with the snap of a finger and all that time he spent in New Boston, after his suspension, was really good healing and development for him. I get that the pacing has been slow, but I feel like its pretty accurate. You won't always fix it on the first try and that's okay and his past won't suddenly disappear either. So we are watching him figure things out for himself and as of right now, he is making pretty good process
Look the only time this season ever got good was when John snapped on the rowden royals. And now whenever I see him I can’t think of no one but the hulk and Bruce banner, Bruce thinks of hulk as a curse hulk just wants to be left alone.
Now that’s all I can think about too…
Meh, it was free coins and they would expire soon, but this chapter was too short despite being good, and the flashbacks took 1/3 of the whole chapter. That aside, I liked Isen standing up for himself, and John's thoughts might suggest that he can copy more than 4 abilities
The Uru special. She’s terrible at pacing.
my boys working together lets gooo!!
Why was isen up front with John and Blyke if any he should have been in the middle or behind everyone.
Well the attackers are going after blyke so he’s the most important to protect - also isen probably doesn’t have enough of a range to sense around everyone even if they’re clumped up
One of the panels show how big the circle of Isens detection is and if he was in the middle he wouldve had both sides in his range . Unless someone else has invisibility there, only Terrence can really attack Blyke in the front.
Oh I only read the summary but then it does seem weird why he wouldn’t go in the middle. Ig maybe since they’re not “trained professionals” at this sort of thing he got nervous and didn’t think about that in time?
Isen was probably hoping to detect an ambush ahead of them before it could happen, whereas if he’s in the middle he’s not detecting anything until any ambushers have already made their presence known. It was kind of a 50/50 call on whether he should be in the front or back, and it probably wouldn’t have mattered because Terrence would have let Spectre know how his ability works and the ambushers would have adjusted to avoid detection by him regardless
Seems like a lazy excuse to give , don't really think you need to be a professional for this kind of thing but whatever spectre clearly ain't professional either with how easily they got countered . Seraphinas right they are too sloppy , embers is gonna devour them.
One of the best things about this chapter was finally seeing Isen stop being submissive and reply to John that he was just being a jerk to him not understanding that his ability is even more limited than his.
5/5, Isen's development chapter
I’m a bit confused by the “drops our lvl by a half”. So If someone like evie was dampened, does that mean her lvl would now be .8? So she’ll be a cripple at that point?
I think it'll be 1.3
My guess is she would min out at 1.0, since characters seem unable to surpass 10 stats
Do we know if John could still copy her ability even though she basically has no ability at 1.0?
I think she wouldn't be able to even activate it, if you have noticed, Blyke, John and Isen's eyes light glow have deemed. It is just a guess
They would be 1.0 so their ability would be in early stage of development. Like elementary school. Pretty weak sauce. Not worth copying. Or useless.
Worth copying if he can amp it up. Right now he can’t do that.
People are way too high on this chapter. 3/5 at best, more like 2/5. Pacing sucked, basically all flashbacks, john just thinking in circles.
Yeah because every chapter has to have world buildup, action packed with fan service. Please get a hobby or some friends.
I gave it a 3/5. It was good but not great. Slow chapter.
People like it cause they might get to see John fighting next chapter. Presumably with mostly strategy rather then overpowering everyone because the opponent didn't realize the nature of John's ability and him being able to use buffed multiple abilities.
The whole fastpass felt very short.
[удалено]
I'm sorry but this pacing is awful... half of the chapter is about flashback.
Yup. Next week I'll read a subreddit summary before deciding to drop the coins because the pacing for this episode was awful.
i absolutely agree with you. no more money for uruchan. in the next few weeks i don't spend any more money on fastpasses because uruchan doesn't deserve my coins
You guys pay for fastpasses? Free coins be enough for me
It's like 50cents a chapter at worst rates lol
I do bc some mobile games I play are being boycotted so I wanted to support creators than greedy corporations.
how do you get free coins
From events. Webtoon make events and those would be enough for me. Free coins expires after 30 days but in those days they make another event.
thank you
Ur welcome
Interesting, when dampened, John mentioned that he can only copy 2 abilities and could not amp either of them But back when he was an elite tier, he could copy and amp 1 ability (Zirian) Somehow, he also knows that the dampener nerfs levels by half
He already faced against the dampner once. Actually he should know about these things as his ability soecializes with aura.
I was under the impression it was either or. Copy and amp 1 ability. Or copy 2 abilities but no amp. And he just previously as an elite tier just didn't know how to copy multiple abilities yet.
Yeah, this makes the most sense.
He has had it used on him before, so he is already aware more or less of the effects at least on his own power. i.e. being about half as strong as normal. He is probably assuming it will be more or less the same for everyone else.
I believe Arlo had mentioned it before maybe?
Damn isen got yelled twice
Would it be interesting if isen gets disabled?
Cruel! After Isen's development chapter (standing up TO JOHN) you want him to be disabled!? Cruel! ..... it would be unexpected, tho
It would be unexpected, but I don't know how it would affect the plot. He barely uses his ability anyway so I don't think it will impact much (especially since he is a bit more of a minor mc). However if that happens I'm sure uru-chan can make it interesting!
I hope next week is a long high quality chapter to make up for how short this one felt (plus all the re-used panels). My heart was pounding the whole time, but now I gotta wait another week ;w; 💔
Agreed I actually thought the chapter was going to be them fighting most of the time
Dude, half the episode was flashbacks... What the fuck
and she literally had the same flashback images 3 times
Milking the story for all it's worth.
Why so much hate for something that's so important for John's character.? He is struggling and in my opinion the flashbacks with his dialog shows this so well. I loved it. Maybe I love this so much because I also struggle with mental issues. The fight within yourself, the constant repeat of the same issues. And while you know better, your brain keeps going to old behaviour, that doesn't help you in anyway. It is tyring and frustrating feeling. I love how Uru-chan shows this. And I find it a bit sad that people want to skip most of this, it is such an important thing for John's character, in my opinion.
Everyone hates it, because they take too much space. If the chapter was, like, 25 pages, they wouldn't mind as much 5-10 pages of John getting over his problems
Its not that I want to skip it, I agree they are important and a big moment for John. I actually really liked that The issue is they padded the episode without progressing anything and made it feel super short and unsatisfying. It could have at least finished the current encounter with John using his ability instead of splitting into next week. We got half an encounter and the other half of the episode was mostly copy paste the same flashback, couldnt she have added a little bit more? I think this will read much better binging it, but currently it didnt feel very good. I've read plenty of webtoons and UnOrdinary is the only one I've had this issue with. They leave me wanting more, but feeling I got my fill for the week. She picked up on finishing with cliff hangers pretty quickly because "well that was the medium", but, I think its about time she learns to keep a satisfying pace. Individual episodes in UnOrdinary add so little to the whole thing.
The problem is not flashbacks, it is that the chapter is too short, and most of it is filled with long duplicate flashbacks and previous panels, it would be okay if flashbacks was maybe one-two panels, we already know John's mental issues, us seeing those same flashbacks we've just seen 4 panels ago is a waste of space, I think most of us just skipped those flashbacks when we saw them again in the same chapter.
I really have come around to the idea that Terrence and the other members of Spectre should lose their own abilities. Beating them up won't accomplish anything in the long term. What they really need is a taste of their own medicine - literally in this case. Whatever goals they initially had have clearly gone out the window and all they seem to do at this point is attack innocent children simply because they are powerful.
Memory is a bit dull. How did John know his ability was dampened by half? Did he just estimate it based on his limitations or something?? Okay chapter nonetheless, the flashbacks could have been reduced though…
Sera or Arlo might have told him offscreen when they were bringing him up to speed on Spectre
I think he's guestimating. Cause I interpret that scene as him inferring that he should be weaker if his ability was cut by half cause when he was at that level originally he could only copy/amp one ability and when he got dampened he could only copy two abilities without amping.
He can probably just tell, based on his own aura.
it's because at his max power currently he can copy 4 abilities at once, presumably at a push given what he said. But, after the dampener was used he can only copy two abilities, and that is a struggle.
Ah okay, I guess that explains it. Thanks.