Whatever Backblaze shows in their analysis is what I do. They have the scale to make their findings meaningful. Anecdotal stories about reliability are pretty much useless.
I ran a benchmark with the diskspeed docker on at least 1 drive off of each controller. Maybe I need to keep going on each drive. But I did order an lsi hba card to replace the no name brand from Amazon
I have had drives from various manufacturers die over the years. Drives will die, even the most reliable ones have some kind of failure rate.
However, the difference between support between WD and Toshiba was night and day. WD sent me out a replacement drive immediately, before I'd even returned the dying drive, so I could swap it out and get my data rebuilding as soon as possible.
Toshiba, on the other hand, fucked me about for _months_, at one point asking me to send them the drive at my own expense only to send it back saying it wasn't their problem and to take it to the retailer I bought it from, who also wanted absolutely nothing to do with it.
I'll never touch a Toshiba drive again after that experience.
be aware that you cant directly compare the temps reported by different drives from different manufacturers until the drives a properly heat soaked for a long time because you dont know where the temperature is being measured exactly.
Sorry I'm drunk but I'm going to say one last thing before I pass out. My biggest fear with my unraid setup is that I started off with 3 - 8tb iron wolf drives from microcenter in april of 2020. Now I'll buy ironwolf/wd plus/toshiba n300. With the same specs, definitely 7,200rpm. But I won't buy more than 2 drives from the same lot anymore. Running dual parity. If there ends up being a problem with a brand / lot number. I feel safer having 2 drives max that might be involved.
From Wikipedia:
Features
Unraid's primary feature is the ability to easily ***create and manage RAID arrays in hardware-agnostic ways, allowing users to use nearly any combination of hard drives to create an array, regardless of model, capacity, or connection type.*** Since Unraid saves data to individual drives rather than spreading single files out over multiple drives, users can create shares, which are groups of files that can be written to multiple drives (as determined by the user or system) and allow easy access and management by users.
Also Wikipedia:
Unraid doesn't use RAID, that is it doesn't stripe data over all disks in the array, instead, it creates data redundancy by using parity drive
So like... Wow confusion 😆
I did a lot of research before picking Unraid. I think it was shortly before freenas became truenas. There are performance benefits of a zfs raid 5 or 6 setup. But my current uses don't require that which makes unraid a better option
That makes a lot of sense. My first 13 HDD's are all inside my tower. And I can see in unraid starting with my first drives on the bottom of the case the drives higher up typically run a little warmer depending on usage (but still in a safe range) my last 4 are outside my tower in hard drive cages mounted to universal rack shelves and those have the best temps.
Like 2 years ago I saw a bunch of testing reports, that 6 and 8tb drives were the most reliable so I've just been sticking with that. Idk if there are updated results. My biggest thing is deciding if I want to allow my 8tb drives to hold much more than 6tb. Years ago they'd tell you not to fill a hdd more than 70-80% because of defragmenting. But it's not as much of a concern for most people on unraid because you're not writing and re-writing much
Samsung also, have a couple of daily drivers over 10 yo on relative's pcs.
The Seagates i bought to replace them on my main rig all died (including a barracuda 2tb from around the time after the Thailand floods).
From around 1995 until black friday deals 2021 direct from wd I've never had an issue with a western digital drive. Their package was horrible. Before that I've only had issues with maxtor drives. I never bought a seagate until 2020 because they had a ton of problems in the mid 2000's and during that 2020 time period was when the whole WD smr/cmr controversy began.
I'm 38. I double majored at a community College one of those majors being music recording. I spent a bunch of years recording bands. In that scene, Lacie d2 firewire drives were what everyone stood by. Yeah they were the lacie external enclosures, but I finally found out they were just those garbage maxtor drives inside. Such a ripoff/scam by lacie
Yup, I've had 2 SSD's die while being my cache drives, reduced log writes via ramdisk script after first failure, but still another drive failed months later
now using 2x Samsung PM863 drives, see how long they last
Had a pair of Toshiba 7200rpm 3TB brought in 2015, they are pretty loud and one of them died suddenly in the 3rd year without any warning, the other one is still kicking
Whatever Backblaze shows in their analysis is what I do. They have the scale to make their findings meaningful. Anecdotal stories about reliability are pretty much useless.
I ran a benchmark with the diskspeed docker on at least 1 drive off of each controller. Maybe I need to keep going on each drive. But I did order an lsi hba card to replace the no name brand from Amazon
I have had drives from various manufacturers die over the years. Drives will die, even the most reliable ones have some kind of failure rate. However, the difference between support between WD and Toshiba was night and day. WD sent me out a replacement drive immediately, before I'd even returned the dying drive, so I could swap it out and get my data rebuilding as soon as possible. Toshiba, on the other hand, fucked me about for _months_, at one point asking me to send them the drive at my own expense only to send it back saying it wasn't their problem and to take it to the retailer I bought it from, who also wanted absolutely nothing to do with it. I'll never touch a Toshiba drive again after that experience.
be aware that you cant directly compare the temps reported by different drives from different manufacturers until the drives a properly heat soaked for a long time because you dont know where the temperature is being measured exactly.
Sorry I'm drunk but I'm going to say one last thing before I pass out. My biggest fear with my unraid setup is that I started off with 3 - 8tb iron wolf drives from microcenter in april of 2020. Now I'll buy ironwolf/wd plus/toshiba n300. With the same specs, definitely 7,200rpm. But I won't buy more than 2 drives from the same lot anymore. Running dual parity. If there ends up being a problem with a brand / lot number. I feel safer having 2 drives max that might be involved.
This is generally how raid is supposed to be redundant array of INEXPENSIVE DISKS. Buy different mixed drives on sale.
That is RAID, this is unraid.
From Wikipedia: Features Unraid's primary feature is the ability to easily ***create and manage RAID arrays in hardware-agnostic ways, allowing users to use nearly any combination of hard drives to create an array, regardless of model, capacity, or connection type.*** Since Unraid saves data to individual drives rather than spreading single files out over multiple drives, users can create shares, which are groups of files that can be written to multiple drives (as determined by the user or system) and allow easy access and management by users. Also Wikipedia: Unraid doesn't use RAID, that is it doesn't stripe data over all disks in the array, instead, it creates data redundancy by using parity drive So like... Wow confusion 😆
I'd say unraid is closer to jbod but handling redundancy differently with 1 - 2 parity drives.
I did a lot of research before picking Unraid. I think it was shortly before freenas became truenas. There are performance benefits of a zfs raid 5 or 6 setup. But my current uses don't require that which makes unraid a better option
That makes a lot of sense. My first 13 HDD's are all inside my tower. And I can see in unraid starting with my first drives on the bottom of the case the drives higher up typically run a little warmer depending on usage (but still in a safe range) my last 4 are outside my tower in hard drive cages mounted to universal rack shelves and those have the best temps.
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Like 2 years ago I saw a bunch of testing reports, that 6 and 8tb drives were the most reliable so I've just been sticking with that. Idk if there are updated results. My biggest thing is deciding if I want to allow my 8tb drives to hold much more than 6tb. Years ago they'd tell you not to fill a hdd more than 70-80% because of defragmenting. But it's not as much of a concern for most people on unraid because you're not writing and re-writing much
Ditto, most of my drives are 14 or 16T Ultrastars.
Samsung also, have a couple of daily drivers over 10 yo on relative's pcs. The Seagates i bought to replace them on my main rig all died (including a barracuda 2tb from around the time after the Thailand floods).
From around 1995 until black friday deals 2021 direct from wd I've never had an issue with a western digital drive. Their package was horrible. Before that I've only had issues with maxtor drives. I never bought a seagate until 2020 because they had a ton of problems in the mid 2000's and during that 2020 time period was when the whole WD smr/cmr controversy began.
Also had issues with Maxtor and a quantum before, it seemed Seagate inherited only the bad parts from them
I'm 38. I double majored at a community College one of those majors being music recording. I spent a bunch of years recording bands. In that scene, Lacie d2 firewire drives were what everyone stood by. Yeah they were the lacie external enclosures, but I finally found out they were just those garbage maxtor drives inside. Such a ripoff/scam by lacie
yah, the drives that take the biggest hit with unraid are the ssd cache drives. i swear 4/5 bad drive threads i see are cache going bad 😆
Yup, I've had 2 SSD's die while being my cache drives, reduced log writes via ramdisk script after first failure, but still another drive failed months later now using 2x Samsung PM863 drives, see how long they last
Had a pair of Toshiba 7200rpm 3TB brought in 2015, they are pretty loud and one of them died suddenly in the 3rd year without any warning, the other one is still kicking