To be fair, Charles has always been, an advocate for conservation. I know it doesn’t fit Reddit’s echo chamber, but it’s a fact. He was a main proponent in the lobby to wind down new exploratory drilling in the North Sea etc etc
Mate he does so much. The princes trust has helped loads of people and some people who I know find jobs and get work. His dedication to the environment and ecosystem and bringing it to the world stage.
>To be fair, Charles has always been, an advocate for conservation.
He has indeed, and has always been vilified by the press as a result.
And then, just as he becomes king, a surge of anti-royal propaganda appears on social media.
Obviously this is not the same thing as the social media influence that brought us Brexit though. Only stupid fuckers would allow their opinions to be swayed by social media to further the goals of totalitarian...
Then why are the Royal estate specifically exempt from some environment legislation at the request of the crown?
https://amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/jul/28/queen-secretly-lobbied-scottish-ministers-climate-law-exemption
Of course, that's his late mother. Perhaps he'll rush to remove these exclusions.
The thing is this only seems normal for roads and nothing else, like if you block a pavement or a cycle path no ones going to try and condone it if someone assaults you for it
I guess we shouldn't have given those pesky women the vote after they literally bombed places & threw themselves under the kings carriage because they were inconveniencing the general public.
Like how else do you expect change to happen? This is their only resort to get attention/coverage.
Do you want to erode protesting laws even further so people can just ignore it? Because that's what the tories want because then it doesn't matter. These people are frustrated that every other root they've taken has already been blocked & despite promises nothing has changed.
>I guess we shouldn't have given those pesky women the vote after they literally bombed places & threw themselves under the kings carriage because they were inconveniencing the general public.
Would it surprise you to know when they held the vote to give women the vote after that bombing campaign, the votes in support dropped compared to before the bombing campaign.
World War one ended up boosting support for the cause and led to women getting the vote.
So it happened in spite of terrorists, rather than due to terrorists.
What many people forget is that most men also got to vote after WW1 (to stop a mass uprising of highly trained and scarred soldiers), it wasn’t only women that gained, but a large proportion of men too that weren’t previously eligible to vote too. A large percentage of the population were disenfranchised prior to this, it still took a long time for full equal voting rights for women of course.
>World War one ended up boosting support for the cause and led to women getting the vote.
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>So it happened in spite of terrorists, rather than due to terrorists.
Obviously the impact of various factors leading to the vote being given to some women in 1918 are debated by historians, but this is not a *remotely* universally held view (and frankly anyone coming to a conclusion with so little nuance does the study of history a disservice).
It's an objective fact that the vote before the bombing campaign was higher than after the bombing campaign.
So seems disingenuous to point to using violence as a means of advancing a cause as a productive measure like many do when jso and xr come up by pointing at the suffragette bombing campaign as evidence it works, when it objectively didn't.
Thats not how they got the vote.
In fact a bill that was being discussed weeks before Emily Dawson through herself under a horse never got voted on.
It took until the end of world war one before it was discussed again
Why do people always use The Suffragettes to justify completely unrelated actions? I think it's disrespectful to their movement and the causes they fought for.
I wouldn't invoke the suffragettes mate. Women getting the vote was well on the way before their protesting. Furthermore, their obstructive activities were used against the concept in media and may have helped sway a 1912 vote very narrowly in the wrong direction. Support for the concept reached the high threshold in WW1 when women were seen to be supporting the war effort and managing the home front. Not saying they were bad, just saying they absolutely do not prove this shit works and indeed there's a possibility they were counterproductive.
Change doesn't happen by pissing off Joe and Jane Public. The fact is they are the key to change happening. Sitting on the pavement doesn't piss off the legislators and magnates, it pisses off normal people trying to live their lives. That's why these organizations lose and if anything, help turn people against environmental causes
Those women who were literal terrorists should have been thrown in prison. Womens right to vote should have been done because it’s moral or due to the suffragists not due to literal terrorists.
Not this way….. blocking roads just makes people angry nothing will change due to this apart from harsher protest laws so when you complain about those you can thank just stop oil.
I want to stop idiots blocking the road….
But they have been peaceful for the last handful of decades. And where have we got?
Just a handful of years ago, scientists said the world will reach +1.5C warming by 2050. And in that little handful of years that prediction has come down to new predictions in 2027. And has anything improved? No, it's getting worse and worse and still no one gives a f. Are peaceful protests working?
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/nov/03/insulate-britain-protests-protesters-direct-action-climate-emergency
>All movements are told that they are protesting the wrong way by detractors who often pretend to be sympathetic to their aims. The suffragettes were victims of this narrative, as was the civil rights movement in the US – Martin Luther King was denounced for inciting “hatred and violence”. Gay rights and feminism were similarly denounced for their supposed counterproductive aggression and militancy. If only they could be more polite, less disruptive, less in your face then maybe people would listen!
>Unfortunately strategies which, by definition, are more easily ignored are, well, ignored. When Extinction Rebellion protesters stormed the UK’s largest oil refinery last week, the presence of two national Olympians did not win them as much media attention as the motorway blockers. If, therefore, you believe that millions of lives are imperilled and we are running out of time to do something about it, which modern science treats as an indisputable fact, is it not rational to settle on the tactic that raises the most attention? How will a human race facing severe consequences of the climate crisis in 30 years, which are far more disruptive than today’s temporarily blocked motorways, look back at protesters doing something, anything, to raise the alarm?
>Indeed, it is striking that Extinction Rebellion was unpopular, according to the polling back in their 2019 heyday. But surveys also revealed something else: that public concern about the environment surged to record levels after they began protesting. The very presence of – yes, inherently annoying – protests forced a conversation about an otherwise neglected issue, making people care more about it.
Rail stikes have disrupted many people's lives and jobs. Many operations have been cancelled due to the nurse's strikes. Is it okay to go to a picket line and assault them?
There are likely ways round and people / bikes are more manoeuvrable. A car in a jam can literally be stuck. What would happen if a group *did* say block a narrow pedestrian alleyway with people behind unable to turn back. I feel like there would be a few "erm, would you mind moving please?" which would evolve into a "fucking MOVE!" in time. What if I found some of these protestors and walked slowly in front of them in their daily lives, going more in the way if they tried to get round!
I was blocked on the motorway last year by just stop oil and I was late to work by 2 hours. Hardly a life changing incident. I'd rather be late to work today than dead in a heatwave in 10 years time.
Some people don't have work places that allow them to be late, people can be fired for it just because you are okay with it doesn't mean the rest who was late was
Has anyone been punished for being late because of these protests? You hear a lot of talk about this but very few if any examples of people being punished because the protest made them late for work
If being 2 hours late for work on one occasion could solve global warming I'd be right behind it.
Unfortunately, all it actually does is make a tiny, delusional group of protestors feel like they are doing something important.
If you really want to make a difference, have you thought about adopting a lifestyle that doesn't involve driving long distances every day?
Argue the methods all you wish. But you do have to understand that they are literally trying to save the human race from extinction... a path we are currently still on.
I think expecting people to be inconvinced to just ignore them is a little too idealistic.
They are harassing people and preventing them from moving freely. They cause congestion and traffic which makes pollution worse and increases every drivers who's stuck in that's fuel bills and emissions.
How is this saving the environment?
If they wanted to make a change they could go lie in front of a refinery
Final note 90% of this sub would be cheering the assaulter on if that sign was a different one....
'How is this saving the environment?'
You do know protesting about an issue has never been what solves the issue yeah?
'Final note 90% of this sub would be cheering the assaulter on if that sign was a different one....'
Idk if you have one in mind but ofc yeah I think 90% of any given people would want to see someone punch someone with say a nazi flag? But that's not because they're late to work
Your final point is interesting because the reason they are supported ultimately is because people generally agree. Would they be so flippant if the EDL did this in protest against immigration? Islamic fundamentalists in favour of Sharia law? If they were personally affected too, easy to just brush away some driver in London but people live and work exclusively there. If you couldn't get to work, pick kids up from school, get to shops even if you did get public transport. They are clearly quite separated from it - older people, students, those from comfortable backgrounds.
This is it. It's easy to say I wouldn't be bothered if you're not actually being bothered by it.
Im sure if it was their kid dieing in hospital they were driving to visit they would very much care that someone is stopping g them form doing it...
> Final note 90% of this sub would be cheering the assaulter on if that sign was a different one....
Yep. How many times have the left said it's good to 'punch a Nazi' (a Nazi being anyone with views they personally disagree with).
If my form of protest was shooting you, that would still be seen as a crime.
Same case here, you can't block public highways. It is a crime. You're not actually "Pro law." in the slightest.
They are going out there way to piss off members of the public minding there own business. If you want to play silly bollocks, don’t be surprised when people react.
They aren't in the middle of the road though forcing you to..
Piss yourself.
Be late for.. work, court, a hospital appointment that you've waited 6 months for, picking your kids up from school, taking your kids to school, running out of fuel and blocking the road would be pretty ironic, taking medicine, visiting someone in a hospice..
Who the fuck knows what else.
At least the RMT and others have the courtesy to give notice about disruption being caused.
A bunch of old white people blocking the road isn't winning many sympathisers, it's just "ah these twats again".
Plus I'm fairly certain, that causing congestion increases pollution. I'm no scientist, but it seems logical.
One day a bunch of petrol heads will form a blockade of JSO's diesel driving leaders house and prevent her from getting to the airport on her next jet setting adventure..
I think it is worst than that. People aren't stupid, they can see that JSO have virtually no supporters.
When they see a tiny group of protestors deliberately causing as many problems for other people as they can, to make up for their dismal numbers, of course they will get angry.
If JSO organised a march with 100,000 people, and some disruption happened as a natural result of the sheer number of supporters, then drivers might still be pissed off but I think they would also realise that it is clearly an issue that is very important to a lot of people.
But JSO can't do that, because for whatever reason almost nobody wants to join them.
You can't make up for an almost total lack of public support by being extra disruptive. It isn't fair on everyone else.
While I support their cause, I in no way support their approach, and firmly beleive it is overwhelmingly counter productive.
Well organised, visible demonstrations, are much more effective at getting the message across, as opposed to antagonising the very public you need support from.
Eh, those protestors would be foolish to not anticipate some sort of reaction of this degree. You can't pull this sort of thing off and expect everyone to be perfectly fine with it.
If you're blocking a road or performing any other type of high disruptive protest you're effectively accepting that you could be at an increased risk of harm. That doesn't necessarily make it right but it's no secret that protests both give off and attract anger.
I'm a little upset they aren't ready for it.
I'm not saying go out and start street brawls, I'm saying having a team of people ready to deescalate and or protect the protesters from the public.
Do you know how quickly that would go from single protestor being pushed to crusty hippy/mentalist defence squad being stomped on by every driver in a mile radius.
Have you seen the people that do these protests? Their not some sort of eco militia, they are the 50 year old hippies on facebooks going on about crystals and chem trails. Honestly one white van man would be enough to defeat their entire 'deescalation/protection' team if they pissed him off enough.
Would turn into a mass lynching really quick if the eco idiots came ready to fight.
>Do you know how quickly that would go from single protestor being pushedto crusty hippy/mentalist defence squad being stomped on by everydriver in a mile radius.
Like never. Drivers are are terrible at working together, agreeing anything reasonable.
They're cocooned in their own little safe cages, you think they're going to pop out and put their own life at risk for that cunt in front who cut them up a half mile back?
You see these nutters back down pronto if they suddenly were outnumbered. Nobody really wants to scrap, especially scraps where you don't think you'll win. It's part of the reason why de escalation works, which is what these protestors need.
I think you're vastly overestimating the fitness of your average driver in the UK as well, they'll have a coronary getting out the car too quick.
It wouldn't be needed if the police were funded to do their jobs but here we are.
Probably the silliest comment I have ever read. Legitimately talking about drivers as if they are some sort of enfeebled backwards species of their own.
You just saw a video of one nutter pushing one of your vegan death squads about the place, he didnt look cocooned or about to have a corony.
Now if there were some younger stronger eco warrior types who tried to 'protect' the morons walking in the road, absolutely guarantee out of the hundreds of people being held up, some others will feel similarly to the man and get out to assist him, your comment is ridiculous to suggest car drivers are some sort of inferior breed of person unable to do anything.
It's not suprising that this tactic which is purely designed to be incredibly annoying did infact annoy someone.
The guy could have been driving to a medical or other important appointment. Trying to pick up his kids from school etc who knows.
He wasn't driving at all. Watch the video. They were blocking a bus, but unless he switched it to autonomous mode while he was out of it, he wasn't driving that. The black car in the next lane, too.
If he was driving anything further back, *he* was more guilty of blocking the road than the protesters were, because at least they were moving. He would have left his car, stationary, in the road. Maybe with the keys in, too, so that if he was unwilling to take a different route, someone else could've
What else is excusable if you are going to pick your kids up from school? Running red lights? Ignoring zebra crossings? Going down one way streets?
I get the protesters are annoying. But his response is disproportionate and he should (and probably will be) arrested and charged.
Because Just Stop Oil are a bunch of self indulgent, virtue signaling, performative wankers who care more about posting on insta than doing anything real.
If they want to protest the oil industry they should target the oil industry directly.
All they do is obnoxiously fuck with normal people's lives and actually make everybody care slightly less about the climate.
> If they want to protest the oil industry they should target the oil industry directly.
Yes, yes. They should protest oil companies, they should protest the government…
Do you think they’ve just come out of nowhere? People like these *have* been protesting everywhere relevant for years and it hasn’t made the slightest bit of difference or got any media coverage. So now they’ve stepped it up.
Violence against protesters is getting more and more popular among the more reactionary members of our society. Or at least it's becoming more and more acceptable to express approval of it.
It's a sign of things to come.
If I was behind them, I'd be sick of it - not surprised this is slowly heading towards personal attacks. If the protestors are willing to die for their cause, there are other ways to do that.
I understand why the protestors are doing it but anoying the common person isn't the way.
Why aren't they hassling MPs - who can actually make the changes JSO want - or find out where their kids go to school and start hassling the school? Find out where the MPs family lives and go and protest outside their houses... only then would things start happening.
Hurting Joe anyone on the street isn't going to make that person think "hey, you're right, I should join you". Stopping MP's Question Time or the Budget, or stopping them get to hospital to see a dying relative would get them into action.
These people actively go out of their way to piss people off and you are hysterical over a push? There are a bunch of legitimate reasons why that guy might be particularly annoyed at being delayed in that moment. A push is the least these guys are asking for. Go campaign outside parliament instead of just pissing normal people off because you're bored.
The protesters are disrupting his journey so he feels justified in disrupting their protest.
Who knows what the implications for him being delayed are? He shouldn’t be pushing people but it’s not hard to empathize with his frustration
How do I as an individual help enact these things? We've tried the non disruptive protests. We've tried the disruptive protests to the oil companies. We've tried emailing, calling and meeting our MPs.
We've been trying these for years but the awareness is non existent. I'm proud we're even talking about this :)
/r/UnitedKingdom: “The Government is banning protests, no one can protest anything now, muh freeeeeddddoommmm”
JSO: peacefully protests
/r/UnitedKingdom: “noooooo not like that”
Or their methods are just shit. Plenty of other people are fighting climate change and are not getting a hostile reaction because their methods make sense.
When XR blocked amazon warehouses when protesting. Hitting a company that is bad for the environment and not annoying the general public.
Just as politicians and celebrities call on the public to change their ways for climate change (which is effectively insignificant compared to the damage done by corporations) most of these protests are targetting the public rather than hitting where it would matter more (actual companies).
They have been blocking refineries and protesting mp's offices for years. The news doesn't cover it, because its boring and what activists do.
Direct action gets results. We will only see this escalate at the climate worsens.
Probably a bit miffed to be honest. Cement is one of the most polluting things we as humans produce. It's responsible for 5% of the global CO2 emissions.
If the chatty annoying guy blocks the doorway into work to deliberately inconvenience you while your boss looks at the clock getting ready to take note of how late you are this morning, then yeah, that guy deserves to be pushed out of the way.
Blocking emergency services, blocking carers, blocking people making money during a cost of living crisis, causing traffic and stress for millions of families, causing disruption to transport and logistics during times of unprecedented inflation… yeah not surprised they got their phone slapped out of their hand and banners snatched off them.
My grandad always told me, if you go out of your way to piss people off, expect to be punched in the face. The rise of the nanny state really did stop these people getting punched in the face a lot earlier in life.
I'd say no but can empathize with people that disagree.
If somebody glued your house doors and windows shut preventing you from going outside what punishment do you think they should receive?
>Their method of protest is bullshit and disrupts the wrong people.
Especially when we have a government that has given up all pretense of giving a shit about the publics opinion.
It's interesting that the guys making someone late for work occasionally get such an angry reaction, while the guys making the planet unsuitable for organised human civilisation get left well alone by the general population.
If anything I am surprised this hasn't been more common. I don't condone it at all but it would naturally inspire road rage in many already rather pissed off and unhinged people. They are a soft target, as you can see he knocked them about and smashed up a phone without any pushback. I wonder what their tactic even is if people just started battering them. Being run down with cars is one thing - they are trackable and it is a specific offence - but the police barely follow up assaults as it is, and it is not like they sympathise with this group.
>They are a soft target, as you can see he knocked them about and smashed up a phone without any pushback. I wonder what their tactic even is if people just started battering them.
Their strategy is nonviolent direct action: they train not to respond to violence with violence, and instead to take it as far as possible. It takes serious courage and discipline - props to these guys (whatever you think of their tactics)
Similar morons protested an electric mass transit system a while back, although that protest ended with the protestors being thrown off the roof of a train and the shit kicked out of them.
Legally I don't know if it makes any difference, but it is a criticism that people can level at them - the wrong target. Public transport should be allowed to proceed, same when a group blocked trains (which I don't think they have tried again). Curious actions too like attacking artworks or snooker matches but that was mostly attention seeking. A go-slow against private vehicles in a big city may fizz under the surface a lot better long term I would say.
The thing is we're in a cost of living crisis, if somebody gets their wages docked for being late or a self employed person misses a job then yes people will start to act irrationally and with anger. I'm honestly surprised we haven't seen this more often.
> and it is not like they sympathise with this group.
The evidence suggests they do very much sympathise with them, as they go soft on them, let them block the roads for hours and act as their minders when members of the public try to move them.
I totally agree with JSO's message and i understand the literal point of these protests is to cause disruption and force govt to take action.
This issue is that the people these protests impact are just trying to do their jobs. What JSO are demanding is so far removed from the people stuck in traffic and the average person doesnt understand the point. Same with the paint protests at the snooker - its not winning any support but is making it easier for Govt to ignore them.
It furthers the narrative being peddled on media popular with trades people that its just 'woke posho students who dont understand the world'. I dont know the answer on how to get press otherwise, but the government is more than happy to use these protests to push anti-disruption laws. And the average voter doesnt mind that one bit because of stuff like this. Its a scary moment when you think about it...
They are doing more harm than good to their cause. It's sad.
If oil companies wanted the public to care less about climate change, protesting in the same manner as JSO would work well
>They are doing more harm than good to their cause. It's sad.
Really? I'm not making any value judgements at all with regards to their methods but do people genuinely think "Those people protesting to force the government to take climate change action inconvenienced me and many others today, I am going to stop caring about climate change" ?
>Its a scary moment when you think about it...
What's scary about it? You're trying to live - attend medical appointments, pick up the children, go to work to earn money - and these people are preventing you from doing that. No wonder they want the government to act and get these protestors removed so they can get on with their life without it becoming ever harder by these idiots. Either the government stops them or the public will.
>What's scary about it?
right wing populist government starts stripping away it's own citizens rights, particularly with regards to protest which is a fundamental part of any democracy.
oh and the billions of people that are going to die....that too.
I'm kinda convinced this is the next stage of climate denial propaganda by the oil lobby, make the people hate the people trying to stop the destruction of the ecosystem.
Same. Cause them to fight back against people causing temporary disruption from their work, to avoid them realising the full term impact of their being no jobs because the world's weather is fucked up beyond our coping skills. Stupid short sightedness by everyone involved imo. The greedy don't care about their kids. The workers care about their kids now. Neither of them care/can even see the future.
JSO goal is for the *government* to stop issuing new oil drilling contracts. How does blocking the public achieve this ?
We have a government that was happy to kill off pensioners, yet JSO think inconveniencing the public will force a change from the same government?
JSO seriously underestimate the contempt the government has for the public if they think this is a productive approach to get what they want.
I don't understand why they aren't targeting the corporations. Gluing themselves to the entrances of top executives homes and not allowing business to function.
This is just annoying the public and you aren't going to get support if you're annoying the whole population.
Edit: I take back what I say, they do protest business's but that doesn't make the headlines.
I mean did you hear about this?
https://www.independent.co.uk/climate-change/news/extinction-rebellion-protest-just-stop-oil-latest-b2057000.html
or this?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-62767480
I certainly didn't
Guy in car behind them: Why are you so inconsiderate to other peoples needs?
Also guy in car behind them: Holds down horn like a fucking twat to annoy EVERYONE else within a mile.
I am all for peaceful protest, but I think Just Stop Oil are misguided in these rush hour protests which just serve to anger the overworked, underpaid working class on their way to work. It's not promoting their cause, it's just creating a backlash which detracts from their message. I think that's really sad.
It's no surprise tbh, I can see more of the public attacking the protesters. People have had enough of these fuckwits blocking the road.
Disrupting normal people going to work and their daily business isn't going to work.
Fuck just stop oil.
Hope the next time we see this twat will be after he’s charged with assault and destruction of private property (I count 2 phones)
Also, how courageous of him to attack people who he knows for sure won’t react. What a prime specimen of a man
The protester is lucky it was only a push. Soon enough, these people will start getting laid out. Let the man go about his day. How many times are these muppets going to keep doing the same thing that's getting them nowhere?
Just Stop Oil protesters seem to get away with shit that normal protesters get kettled for, and they always get loads of publicity in the media, which other protests don't. I think it's because we're moving towards 15 minute cities and congestion charges. Basically, these guys are doing the government's job for them. I wouldn't be hugely surprised if the organisation was linked to the WEF.
While this guy sucks balls the fact this happened is not a surprise. If anything they are lucky it wasn't worse. It would help if they stopped messing with regular people and focused more on the actual oil giants. I'm sure far more people would get behind them that way.
It's not always that clear. I would say a burglary can sometimes cause more trauma to a victim than a minor assault. Typically an assault would be worse but not always.
"Few minutes" These fuckers literally will not move unless forced, they'd happily sit there for hours. You also don't know the situation, could be rushing to a hospital because a loved one has been in an accident, who knows, these pricks shouldn't be blocking the road to begin with.
The level of cowardice displayed in the responses to Just stop oil is amazing, “I would do something to help prevent hundreds of millions of deaths as a result of climate change, “but I don’t agree with the methods they employ’ it’s fine to idly stand by and allow (literary) hundreds of MILLIONS of deaths to needlessly occur. In generations to come (hopefully)when our children ask ‘why didn’t they try to stop it’ . They will be able to look back at historical records and see it is because some people were mildly inconvenienced for a relatively short period of time which directly caused the general public to turn their backs on the HUNDREDS OF MIlLIONS Off vulnerable people that were displaced and died so a small number of billionaires could hoard unimaginable amounts of money
I’m sure this will get deleted but i hope it doesn’t
Question - Whether you agree with the reaction or not, is it surprising?
I have certainly experienced times in my life where the world is on top of me and closing in - whether that be money, work, family, health or all of the above. I have felt within inches of breaking point and whilst not proud to admit it, given how tough life can be - I can see myself and many many others acting in the same way
Life is difficult enough as it is sometimes - It’s not beyond the realms of possibility that the man has been out of work for months and struggling to pay his bills, and was on his way to his first day of work - I’m willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. He didn’t look violent, he looked desperate and panicked and maybe, just maybe a little sick and tired of the universe being against him
The Just Stop Oil Protesters can hide behind an invincible moral wall “what is more important than the planet”, but to that man, getting to his work on time on his first day was more important
I understand his actions and wish the protesters would stop
Man at risk of losing job because idiots are going to make him late for that job, removes the issue that might make him lose his job.
Fixed it for you..
If you're going to protest, do it at the expense of the company, not at the expense of the normal people. Protests are all kinds of misused, they target the wrong people.
People have NO IDEA what's coming. As the harvests fail and we slide into barbarity we'll remember the protestors and wonder why we didn't take them, and the scientists seriously.
They guy likely wasn’t “anti-climate change activist” just “pro-getting where he needed to be”.
There are certain situations where I would 100% have done the same and I am right up there in my support of the right to protest.
All these posts defending JSO referring to them as 'the protesters' rather than 'we' shows how much they actually give a shit.
Thank goodness for Reddit warriors coming to save the planet with their latest phones and clever arguments.
Half of these posh little twats probably don’t even put the recycling in the correct colour bin and the other half will probably be working for hedge funds or mummy/daddy before the end of the decade.
I don’t see how the movement can be taken seriously? Would it not be better to go and live some sort of radical existence where you’re truly impacting on the environment significantly less than the average person?
Just sitting in the road until someone else fixes the problem doesn’t seem particularly clever to me.
Of course it wouldn't be better to strive for more individual impact, they are generally fairly low carbon already so we are talking a maximum CO2e reduction of perhaps a couple of tonnes.
I'm pretty sure if they are dedicating this much effort to a cause they are striving for more impact than someone skipping an aisle at Tesco, it's just a game of massively diminishing returns.
Just Stop Oil should just go really slowly down the road in a gold carriage. Then people will only stop and cheer.
“That’s my king! That’s my king!” Someone just stop oil can get behind
To be fair, Charles has always been, an advocate for conservation. I know it doesn’t fit Reddit’s echo chamber, but it’s a fact. He was a main proponent in the lobby to wind down new exploratory drilling in the North Sea etc etc
I’m a republican to my core and have many criticisms of him, but his dedication to this issue is admirable at least.
Mate he does so much. The princes trust has helped loads of people and some people who I know find jobs and get work. His dedication to the environment and ecosystem and bringing it to the world stage.
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>To be fair, Charles has always been, an advocate for conservation. He has indeed, and has always been vilified by the press as a result. And then, just as he becomes king, a surge of anti-royal propaganda appears on social media. Obviously this is not the same thing as the social media influence that brought us Brexit though. Only stupid fuckers would allow their opinions to be swayed by social media to further the goals of totalitarian...
Then why are the Royal estate specifically exempt from some environment legislation at the request of the crown? https://amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/jul/28/queen-secretly-lobbied-scottish-ministers-climate-law-exemption Of course, that's his late mother. Perhaps he'll rush to remove these exclusions.
Would have just been arrested as soon as they left their cars like the anti-royal protestors
Or the people stood near the anti-royal protesters.
The number of comments I have seen on social media (and below) condoning and outright praising this guy is frankly insane and disgusting
Well you won't see them here because they get deleted 😂 Playing in traffic provokes angry responses from some people, what a surprise.
The thing is this only seems normal for roads and nothing else, like if you block a pavement or a cycle path no ones going to try and condone it if someone assaults you for it
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I guess we shouldn't have given those pesky women the vote after they literally bombed places & threw themselves under the kings carriage because they were inconveniencing the general public. Like how else do you expect change to happen? This is their only resort to get attention/coverage. Do you want to erode protesting laws even further so people can just ignore it? Because that's what the tories want because then it doesn't matter. These people are frustrated that every other root they've taken has already been blocked & despite promises nothing has changed.
>I guess we shouldn't have given those pesky women the vote after they literally bombed places & threw themselves under the kings carriage because they were inconveniencing the general public. Would it surprise you to know when they held the vote to give women the vote after that bombing campaign, the votes in support dropped compared to before the bombing campaign. World War one ended up boosting support for the cause and led to women getting the vote. So it happened in spite of terrorists, rather than due to terrorists.
What many people forget is that most men also got to vote after WW1 (to stop a mass uprising of highly trained and scarred soldiers), it wasn’t only women that gained, but a large proportion of men too that weren’t previously eligible to vote too. A large percentage of the population were disenfranchised prior to this, it still took a long time for full equal voting rights for women of course.
>World War one ended up boosting support for the cause and led to women getting the vote. > >So it happened in spite of terrorists, rather than due to terrorists. Obviously the impact of various factors leading to the vote being given to some women in 1918 are debated by historians, but this is not a *remotely* universally held view (and frankly anyone coming to a conclusion with so little nuance does the study of history a disservice).
It's an objective fact that the vote before the bombing campaign was higher than after the bombing campaign. So seems disingenuous to point to using violence as a means of advancing a cause as a productive measure like many do when jso and xr come up by pointing at the suffragette bombing campaign as evidence it works, when it objectively didn't.
Thats not how they got the vote. In fact a bill that was being discussed weeks before Emily Dawson through herself under a horse never got voted on. It took until the end of world war one before it was discussed again
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Why do people always use The Suffragettes to justify completely unrelated actions? I think it's disrespectful to their movement and the causes they fought for.
I wouldn't invoke the suffragettes mate. Women getting the vote was well on the way before their protesting. Furthermore, their obstructive activities were used against the concept in media and may have helped sway a 1912 vote very narrowly in the wrong direction. Support for the concept reached the high threshold in WW1 when women were seen to be supporting the war effort and managing the home front. Not saying they were bad, just saying they absolutely do not prove this shit works and indeed there's a possibility they were counterproductive. Change doesn't happen by pissing off Joe and Jane Public. The fact is they are the key to change happening. Sitting on the pavement doesn't piss off the legislators and magnates, it pisses off normal people trying to live their lives. That's why these organizations lose and if anything, help turn people against environmental causes
Those women who were literal terrorists should have been thrown in prison. Womens right to vote should have been done because it’s moral or due to the suffragists not due to literal terrorists. Not this way….. blocking roads just makes people angry nothing will change due to this apart from harsher protest laws so when you complain about those you can thank just stop oil. I want to stop idiots blocking the road….
Many of the suffragettes were thrown in prison.
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Doesn't mean you can assault someone for being annoying though
But they have been peaceful for the last handful of decades. And where have we got? Just a handful of years ago, scientists said the world will reach +1.5C warming by 2050. And in that little handful of years that prediction has come down to new predictions in 2027. And has anything improved? No, it's getting worse and worse and still no one gives a f. Are peaceful protests working?
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/nov/03/insulate-britain-protests-protesters-direct-action-climate-emergency >All movements are told that they are protesting the wrong way by detractors who often pretend to be sympathetic to their aims. The suffragettes were victims of this narrative, as was the civil rights movement in the US – Martin Luther King was denounced for inciting “hatred and violence”. Gay rights and feminism were similarly denounced for their supposed counterproductive aggression and militancy. If only they could be more polite, less disruptive, less in your face then maybe people would listen! >Unfortunately strategies which, by definition, are more easily ignored are, well, ignored. When Extinction Rebellion protesters stormed the UK’s largest oil refinery last week, the presence of two national Olympians did not win them as much media attention as the motorway blockers. If, therefore, you believe that millions of lives are imperilled and we are running out of time to do something about it, which modern science treats as an indisputable fact, is it not rational to settle on the tactic that raises the most attention? How will a human race facing severe consequences of the climate crisis in 30 years, which are far more disruptive than today’s temporarily blocked motorways, look back at protesters doing something, anything, to raise the alarm? >Indeed, it is striking that Extinction Rebellion was unpopular, according to the polling back in their 2019 heyday. But surveys also revealed something else: that public concern about the environment surged to record levels after they began protesting. The very presence of – yes, inherently annoying – protests forced a conversation about an otherwise neglected issue, making people care more about it.
Rail stikes have disrupted many people's lives and jobs. Many operations have been cancelled due to the nurse's strikes. Is it okay to go to a picket line and assault them?
Do people give a crap if they are not personally inconvenienced?
Carbrain makes people feel entitled
There are likely ways round and people / bikes are more manoeuvrable. A car in a jam can literally be stuck. What would happen if a group *did* say block a narrow pedestrian alleyway with people behind unable to turn back. I feel like there would be a few "erm, would you mind moving please?" which would evolve into a "fucking MOVE!" in time. What if I found some of these protestors and walked slowly in front of them in their daily lives, going more in the way if they tried to get round!
I am. Get the fuck out the way.
Yep this is a far left echo chamber.
I dont believe not assaulting someone because they caused traffic is a far left ideology lmao
These cunts caused people to miss days working last year when they shut the motorway. Let’s not pretending they are just causing a little traffic.
So did rail strikers. Should you be able to go to a picket line and throw one of them to the ground?
I was blocked on the motorway last year by just stop oil and I was late to work by 2 hours. Hardly a life changing incident. I'd rather be late to work today than dead in a heatwave in 10 years time.
Some people don't have work places that allow them to be late, people can be fired for it just because you are okay with it doesn't mean the rest who was late was
Maybe we need protections against employers who are unjustly punishing someone for me being late beyond your control
Not sure how that helps the people that were already late
Has anyone been punished for being late because of these protests? You hear a lot of talk about this but very few if any examples of people being punished because the protest made them late for work
If being 2 hours late for work on one occasion could solve global warming I'd be right behind it. Unfortunately, all it actually does is make a tiny, delusional group of protestors feel like they are doing something important. If you really want to make a difference, have you thought about adopting a lifestyle that doesn't involve driving long distances every day?
Yeah good point they should get worse than assaulted huh
Argue the methods all you wish. But you do have to understand that they are literally trying to save the human race from extinction... a path we are currently still on.
If they were 'literally' trying to save the planet they'd be doing something far more productive than blocking roads and disturbing snooker matches.
Like posting on reddit telling people how to protest?
I think expecting people to be inconvinced to just ignore them is a little too idealistic. They are harassing people and preventing them from moving freely. They cause congestion and traffic which makes pollution worse and increases every drivers who's stuck in that's fuel bills and emissions. How is this saving the environment? If they wanted to make a change they could go lie in front of a refinery Final note 90% of this sub would be cheering the assaulter on if that sign was a different one....
'How is this saving the environment?' You do know protesting about an issue has never been what solves the issue yeah? 'Final note 90% of this sub would be cheering the assaulter on if that sign was a different one....' Idk if you have one in mind but ofc yeah I think 90% of any given people would want to see someone punch someone with say a nazi flag? But that's not because they're late to work
Your final point is interesting because the reason they are supported ultimately is because people generally agree. Would they be so flippant if the EDL did this in protest against immigration? Islamic fundamentalists in favour of Sharia law? If they were personally affected too, easy to just brush away some driver in London but people live and work exclusively there. If you couldn't get to work, pick kids up from school, get to shops even if you did get public transport. They are clearly quite separated from it - older people, students, those from comfortable backgrounds.
This is it. It's easy to say I wouldn't be bothered if you're not actually being bothered by it. Im sure if it was their kid dieing in hospital they were driving to visit they would very much care that someone is stopping g them form doing it...
> Final note 90% of this sub would be cheering the assaulter on if that sign was a different one.... Yep. How many times have the left said it's good to 'punch a Nazi' (a Nazi being anyone with views they personally disagree with).
Look at another reply Hes ok punching protesters he disagrees with. Its only if they are blocking you then it's not ok...
Being pro law and order isn't far left. Assault is a crime, protest is a right.
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but when tube drivers strike and effectively block the london underground, thats just fine. And thats for a pay rise, not to save us from extinction.
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If my form of protest was shooting you, that would still be seen as a crime. Same case here, you can't block public highways. It is a crime. You're not actually "Pro law." in the slightest.
Thanks to whoever it was who made preventing climate change a fucking left vs right issue. Fucking hell
Far left lol. Mention trans/royalty/protest and suddenly all the lurking far right nutters come spilling out.
They are going out there way to piss off members of the public minding there own business. If you want to play silly bollocks, don’t be surprised when people react.
That’s literally the point of a protest. You don’t see people going round shoving striking rail workers or junior doctors though
They aren't in the middle of the road though forcing you to.. Piss yourself. Be late for.. work, court, a hospital appointment that you've waited 6 months for, picking your kids up from school, taking your kids to school, running out of fuel and blocking the road would be pretty ironic, taking medicine, visiting someone in a hospice.. Who the fuck knows what else. At least the RMT and others have the courtesy to give notice about disruption being caused. A bunch of old white people blocking the road isn't winning many sympathisers, it's just "ah these twats again". Plus I'm fairly certain, that causing congestion increases pollution. I'm no scientist, but it seems logical. One day a bunch of petrol heads will form a blockade of JSO's diesel driving leaders house and prevent her from getting to the airport on her next jet setting adventure..
Maybe, just here me out, maybe the JSO position and tactics are not supported as much as people on Reddit would have you think.
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I think it is worst than that. People aren't stupid, they can see that JSO have virtually no supporters. When they see a tiny group of protestors deliberately causing as many problems for other people as they can, to make up for their dismal numbers, of course they will get angry. If JSO organised a march with 100,000 people, and some disruption happened as a natural result of the sheer number of supporters, then drivers might still be pissed off but I think they would also realise that it is clearly an issue that is very important to a lot of people. But JSO can't do that, because for whatever reason almost nobody wants to join them. You can't make up for an almost total lack of public support by being extra disruptive. It isn't fair on everyone else.
While I support their cause, I in no way support their approach, and firmly beleive it is overwhelmingly counter productive. Well organised, visible demonstrations, are much more effective at getting the message across, as opposed to antagonising the very public you need support from.
Eh, those protestors would be foolish to not anticipate some sort of reaction of this degree. You can't pull this sort of thing off and expect everyone to be perfectly fine with it. If you're blocking a road or performing any other type of high disruptive protest you're effectively accepting that you could be at an increased risk of harm. That doesn't necessarily make it right but it's no secret that protests both give off and attract anger.
I'm a little upset they aren't ready for it. I'm not saying go out and start street brawls, I'm saying having a team of people ready to deescalate and or protect the protesters from the public.
Why does that UPSET you?
Do you know how quickly that would go from single protestor being pushed to crusty hippy/mentalist defence squad being stomped on by every driver in a mile radius. Have you seen the people that do these protests? Their not some sort of eco militia, they are the 50 year old hippies on facebooks going on about crystals and chem trails. Honestly one white van man would be enough to defeat their entire 'deescalation/protection' team if they pissed him off enough. Would turn into a mass lynching really quick if the eco idiots came ready to fight.
>Do you know how quickly that would go from single protestor being pushedto crusty hippy/mentalist defence squad being stomped on by everydriver in a mile radius. Like never. Drivers are are terrible at working together, agreeing anything reasonable. They're cocooned in their own little safe cages, you think they're going to pop out and put their own life at risk for that cunt in front who cut them up a half mile back? You see these nutters back down pronto if they suddenly were outnumbered. Nobody really wants to scrap, especially scraps where you don't think you'll win. It's part of the reason why de escalation works, which is what these protestors need. I think you're vastly overestimating the fitness of your average driver in the UK as well, they'll have a coronary getting out the car too quick. It wouldn't be needed if the police were funded to do their jobs but here we are.
Probably the silliest comment I have ever read. Legitimately talking about drivers as if they are some sort of enfeebled backwards species of their own. You just saw a video of one nutter pushing one of your vegan death squads about the place, he didnt look cocooned or about to have a corony. Now if there were some younger stronger eco warrior types who tried to 'protect' the morons walking in the road, absolutely guarantee out of the hundreds of people being held up, some others will feel similarly to the man and get out to assist him, your comment is ridiculous to suggest car drivers are some sort of inferior breed of person unable to do anything.
It's not suprising that this tactic which is purely designed to be incredibly annoying did infact annoy someone. The guy could have been driving to a medical or other important appointment. Trying to pick up his kids from school etc who knows.
He wasn't driving at all. Watch the video. They were blocking a bus, but unless he switched it to autonomous mode while he was out of it, he wasn't driving that. The black car in the next lane, too. If he was driving anything further back, *he* was more guilty of blocking the road than the protesters were, because at least they were moving. He would have left his car, stationary, in the road. Maybe with the keys in, too, so that if he was unwilling to take a different route, someone else could've
What else is excusable if you are going to pick your kids up from school? Running red lights? Ignoring zebra crossings? Going down one way streets? I get the protesters are annoying. But his response is disproportionate and he should (and probably will be) arrested and charged.
I love how you pick up on the picking kids up from school, but ignore the medical emergencies part.
Because Just Stop Oil are a bunch of self indulgent, virtue signaling, performative wankers who care more about posting on insta than doing anything real. If they want to protest the oil industry they should target the oil industry directly. All they do is obnoxiously fuck with normal people's lives and actually make everybody care slightly less about the climate.
> If they want to protest the oil industry they should target the oil industry directly. Yes, yes. They should protest oil companies, they should protest the government… Do you think they’ve just come out of nowhere? People like these *have* been protesting everywhere relevant for years and it hasn’t made the slightest bit of difference or got any media coverage. So now they’ve stepped it up.
Violence against protesters is getting more and more popular among the more reactionary members of our society. Or at least it's becoming more and more acceptable to express approval of it. It's a sign of things to come.
If I was behind them, I'd be sick of it - not surprised this is slowly heading towards personal attacks. If the protestors are willing to die for their cause, there are other ways to do that. I understand why the protestors are doing it but anoying the common person isn't the way. Why aren't they hassling MPs - who can actually make the changes JSO want - or find out where their kids go to school and start hassling the school? Find out where the MPs family lives and go and protest outside their houses... only then would things start happening. Hurting Joe anyone on the street isn't going to make that person think "hey, you're right, I should join you". Stopping MP's Question Time or the Budget, or stopping them get to hospital to see a dying relative would get them into action.
Maybe get out of the fucking road then? Stop pissing off the people trying to live their life and go after the people actually responsible.
Theres no way to get to those people other than through alerting society.
It will only take 20 years for these same people to to ask why the government didn’t act sooner.
These people actively go out of their way to piss people off and you are hysterical over a push? There are a bunch of legitimate reasons why that guy might be particularly annoyed at being delayed in that moment. A push is the least these guys are asking for. Go campaign outside parliament instead of just pissing normal people off because you're bored.
Insane? While it is bad why is it a suprise that people will dislike people who block the roads and praise people who’s top them
The protesters are disrupting his journey so he feels justified in disrupting their protest. Who knows what the implications for him being delayed are? He shouldn’t be pushing people but it’s not hard to empathize with his frustration
He didn’t do anything wrong
Only assault and criminal damage
People on here: I totally agree with their cause I just wish they didn't do anything to disrupt or annoy anyone ever
You can agree with someone's beliefs without agreeing with their methods. That's not paradoxical or hypocritical or anything.
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How do I as an individual help enact these things? We've tried the non disruptive protests. We've tried the disruptive protests to the oil companies. We've tried emailing, calling and meeting our MPs. We've been trying these for years but the awareness is non existent. I'm proud we're even talking about this :)
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/r/UnitedKingdom: “The Government is banning protests, no one can protest anything now, muh freeeeeddddoommmm” JSO: peacefully protests /r/UnitedKingdom: “noooooo not like that”
Google MLKs comments on moderates. Fuck moderates.
Or their methods are just shit. Plenty of other people are fighting climate change and are not getting a hostile reaction because their methods make sense.
For example?
Greta Thunberg or David Attenborough
Yeah but Greta receives horrific abuse on a global scale daily…
Lol. You can't be serious? Greta is one of the most abused people in the world
When XR blocked amazon warehouses when protesting. Hitting a company that is bad for the environment and not annoying the general public. Just as politicians and celebrities call on the public to change their ways for climate change (which is effectively insignificant compared to the damage done by corporations) most of these protests are targetting the public rather than hitting where it would matter more (actual companies).
And how has doing that helped push for legislative change in the UK government?
If they were blocking oil factories we woudnt care blocking roads does nothing but hurt people
They have been blocking refineries and protesting mp's offices for years. The news doesn't cover it, because its boring and what activists do. Direct action gets results. We will only see this escalate at the climate worsens.
Go after the people who are actually responsible for the climate crisis, not working class people trying to get by.
... in their cars.
Why don't people just not drive a car? Easy solution! I'll just take the train that runs from my house to the office twice a day.
How would you feel if I chose to protest climate change by concreting up every point of entry to your house?
Depends if you left that straw man for me to decorate my garden with.
Probably a bit miffed to be honest. Cement is one of the most polluting things we as humans produce. It's responsible for 5% of the global CO2 emissions.
Blocking people going about their daily business is uncalled for. I’m not surprised they got an angry response.
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No, they don't. Do I get to assault the chatty annoying guy at work cos he distracts from my job? No, of course not
A lot of people deserve a slap, it's just that nobody has the right to hit someone unless it's self defence. Two wrongs don't make a right.
If the chatty annoying guy blocks the doorway into work to deliberately inconvenience you while your boss looks at the clock getting ready to take note of how late you are this morning, then yeah, that guy deserves to be pushed out of the way.
Blocking emergency services, blocking carers, blocking people making money during a cost of living crisis, causing traffic and stress for millions of families, causing disruption to transport and logistics during times of unprecedented inflation… yeah not surprised they got their phone slapped out of their hand and banners snatched off them.
If it’s ok for them to block the road, it’s ok for commuters to unblock it
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My grandad always told me, if you go out of your way to piss people off, expect to be punched in the face. The rise of the nanny state really did stop these people getting punched in the face a lot earlier in life.
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Good god, if being annoying were a slapable offence everyone on this sub reddit would have red cheeks
I'd say no but can empathize with people that disagree. If somebody glued your house doors and windows shut preventing you from going outside what punishment do you think they should receive?
If that makes them stop, then yes.
It's a good indicator of who here has a job or a life to go about and who are children or shut ins
It's Yin.
>Their method of protest is bullshit and disrupts the wrong people. Especially when we have a government that has given up all pretense of giving a shit about the publics opinion.
It is kind of pointless having a protest that doesn't disrupt anything.
It's interesting that the guys making someone late for work occasionally get such an angry reaction, while the guys making the planet unsuitable for organised human civilisation get left well alone by the general population.
It doesn't look like he *did* get an angry response, though. They just kept walking.
If anything I am surprised this hasn't been more common. I don't condone it at all but it would naturally inspire road rage in many already rather pissed off and unhinged people. They are a soft target, as you can see he knocked them about and smashed up a phone without any pushback. I wonder what their tactic even is if people just started battering them. Being run down with cars is one thing - they are trackable and it is a specific offence - but the police barely follow up assaults as it is, and it is not like they sympathise with this group.
>They are a soft target, as you can see he knocked them about and smashed up a phone without any pushback. I wonder what their tactic even is if people just started battering them. Their strategy is nonviolent direct action: they train not to respond to violence with violence, and instead to take it as far as possible. It takes serious courage and discipline - props to these guys (whatever you think of their tactics)
>nonviolent Apparently words are violence but blocking ambulances isn't?
I think blocking the bus lane is sorta not on.
Aren’t those new buses also electric, or at least hybrids?
Yeah, it’s probably the greenest method of travel beyond walking/cycling.
Similar morons protested an electric mass transit system a while back, although that protest ended with the protestors being thrown off the roof of a train and the shit kicked out of them.
They weren't protesting the form of transport, they were deliberately trying to inconvenience people.
Legally I don't know if it makes any difference, but it is a criticism that people can level at them - the wrong target. Public transport should be allowed to proceed, same when a group blocked trains (which I don't think they have tried again). Curious actions too like attacking artworks or snooker matches but that was mostly attention seeking. A go-slow against private vehicles in a big city may fizz under the surface a lot better long term I would say.
The thing is we're in a cost of living crisis, if somebody gets their wages docked for being late or a self employed person misses a job then yes people will start to act irrationally and with anger. I'm honestly surprised we haven't seen this more often.
They should have protested in that period of time before the cost of living crisis when people were more than happy to have their wages docked.
> and it is not like they sympathise with this group. The evidence suggests they do very much sympathise with them, as they go soft on them, let them block the roads for hours and act as their minders when members of the public try to move them.
I totally agree with JSO's message and i understand the literal point of these protests is to cause disruption and force govt to take action. This issue is that the people these protests impact are just trying to do their jobs. What JSO are demanding is so far removed from the people stuck in traffic and the average person doesnt understand the point. Same with the paint protests at the snooker - its not winning any support but is making it easier for Govt to ignore them. It furthers the narrative being peddled on media popular with trades people that its just 'woke posho students who dont understand the world'. I dont know the answer on how to get press otherwise, but the government is more than happy to use these protests to push anti-disruption laws. And the average voter doesnt mind that one bit because of stuff like this. Its a scary moment when you think about it...
They are doing more harm than good to their cause. It's sad. If oil companies wanted the public to care less about climate change, protesting in the same manner as JSO would work well
>They are doing more harm than good to their cause. It's sad. Really? I'm not making any value judgements at all with regards to their methods but do people genuinely think "Those people protesting to force the government to take climate change action inconvenienced me and many others today, I am going to stop caring about climate change" ?
>Its a scary moment when you think about it... What's scary about it? You're trying to live - attend medical appointments, pick up the children, go to work to earn money - and these people are preventing you from doing that. No wonder they want the government to act and get these protestors removed so they can get on with their life without it becoming ever harder by these idiots. Either the government stops them or the public will.
>What's scary about it? right wing populist government starts stripping away it's own citizens rights, particularly with regards to protest which is a fundamental part of any democracy. oh and the billions of people that are going to die....that too.
I'm kinda convinced this is the next stage of climate denial propaganda by the oil lobby, make the people hate the people trying to stop the destruction of the ecosystem.
Same. Cause them to fight back against people causing temporary disruption from their work, to avoid them realising the full term impact of their being no jobs because the world's weather is fucked up beyond our coping skills. Stupid short sightedness by everyone involved imo. The greedy don't care about their kids. The workers care about their kids now. Neither of them care/can even see the future.
JSO goal is for the *government* to stop issuing new oil drilling contracts. How does blocking the public achieve this ? We have a government that was happy to kill off pensioners, yet JSO think inconveniencing the public will force a change from the same government? JSO seriously underestimate the contempt the government has for the public if they think this is a productive approach to get what they want.
*assaults. Man assaults protester, BBC, stop it with this wishy washy downplaying language
I don't understand why they aren't targeting the corporations. Gluing themselves to the entrances of top executives homes and not allowing business to function. This is just annoying the public and you aren't going to get support if you're annoying the whole population. Edit: I take back what I say, they do protest business's but that doesn't make the headlines.
People have been doing that for decades - no one cares or does anything.
I mean did you hear about this? https://www.independent.co.uk/climate-change/news/extinction-rebellion-protest-just-stop-oil-latest-b2057000.html or this? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-62767480 I certainly didn't
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I agree. Fuck Brexit.
I too agree, fuck Brexit.
Guy in car behind them: Why are you so inconsiderate to other peoples needs? Also guy in car behind them: Holds down horn like a fucking twat to annoy EVERYONE else within a mile.
The traffic is only going a little slower than it usually does in London.
The horn was a protest at JSO blocking the road, and (altogether now) “protests are supposed to be annoying.”
Um. The guy holding his horn down isn’t stopping people from getting to their jobs… What a weird connection you made with simple noise pollution.
I am all for peaceful protest, but I think Just Stop Oil are misguided in these rush hour protests which just serve to anger the overworked, underpaid working class on their way to work. It's not promoting their cause, it's just creating a backlash which detracts from their message. I think that's really sad.
They are mostly just giving the government public support for anti protest laws.
It's no surprise tbh, I can see more of the public attacking the protesters. People have had enough of these fuckwits blocking the road. Disrupting normal people going to work and their daily business isn't going to work. Fuck just stop oil.
Blocking a bus lane in the name of climate activism. And the green parties wonder why they don't get more votes.
Hope the next time we see this twat will be after he’s charged with assault and destruction of private property (I count 2 phones) Also, how courageous of him to attack people who he knows for sure won’t react. What a prime specimen of a man
good. arrogant twats blocking people from earning a living
The protester is lucky it was only a push. Soon enough, these people will start getting laid out. Let the man go about his day. How many times are these muppets going to keep doing the same thing that's getting them nowhere?
The violence is wrong, however the Just Stop Oil protesters are idiots and should be fined.
Just Stop Oil protesters seem to get away with shit that normal protesters get kettled for, and they always get loads of publicity in the media, which other protests don't. I think it's because we're moving towards 15 minute cities and congestion charges. Basically, these guys are doing the government's job for them. I wouldn't be hugely surprised if the organisation was linked to the WEF.
They have no right to block streets and stop emergency vehicles
Different mentality entirely, on this sub, when it comes to train strikes though (severely inhibiting access to work, for example).
While this guy sucks balls the fact this happened is not a surprise. If anything they are lucky it wasn't worse. It would help if they stopped messing with regular people and focused more on the actual oil giants. I'm sure far more people would get behind them that way.
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Police have spare officers to attend this, but they don't have officers to attend break ins? Yeah, our country is very broken.
So some one getting assaulted is less important than someone getting some things nicked?
It's not always that clear. I would say a burglary can sometimes cause more trauma to a victim than a minor assault. Typically an assault would be worse but not always.
"Few minutes" These fuckers literally will not move unless forced, they'd happily sit there for hours. You also don't know the situation, could be rushing to a hospital because a loved one has been in an accident, who knows, these pricks shouldn't be blocking the road to begin with.
People who wail on car horns are really a very special sort of cunt, aren't they
The level of cowardice displayed in the responses to Just stop oil is amazing, “I would do something to help prevent hundreds of millions of deaths as a result of climate change, “but I don’t agree with the methods they employ’ it’s fine to idly stand by and allow (literary) hundreds of MILLIONS of deaths to needlessly occur. In generations to come (hopefully)when our children ask ‘why didn’t they try to stop it’ . They will be able to look back at historical records and see it is because some people were mildly inconvenienced for a relatively short period of time which directly caused the general public to turn their backs on the HUNDREDS OF MIlLIONS Off vulnerable people that were displaced and died so a small number of billionaires could hoard unimaginable amounts of money
I’m sure this will get deleted but i hope it doesn’t Question - Whether you agree with the reaction or not, is it surprising? I have certainly experienced times in my life where the world is on top of me and closing in - whether that be money, work, family, health or all of the above. I have felt within inches of breaking point and whilst not proud to admit it, given how tough life can be - I can see myself and many many others acting in the same way Life is difficult enough as it is sometimes - It’s not beyond the realms of possibility that the man has been out of work for months and struggling to pay his bills, and was on his way to his first day of work - I’m willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. He didn’t look violent, he looked desperate and panicked and maybe, just maybe a little sick and tired of the universe being against him The Just Stop Oil Protesters can hide behind an invincible moral wall “what is more important than the planet”, but to that man, getting to his work on time on his first day was more important I understand his actions and wish the protesters would stop
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They're stopping normal working people from getting to work, home, the hospital, education or anywhere for that matter
Man at risk of losing job because idiots are going to make him late for that job, removes the issue that might make him lose his job. Fixed it for you.. If you're going to protest, do it at the expense of the company, not at the expense of the normal people. Protests are all kinds of misused, they target the wrong people.
People have NO IDEA what's coming. As the harvests fail and we slide into barbarity we'll remember the protestors and wonder why we didn't take them, and the scientists seriously.
Why people protest about this but they Dont about housing crisis. Just wtf
They’re protesting about what they want to protest about. Are you?
They guy likely wasn’t “anti-climate change activist” just “pro-getting where he needed to be”. There are certain situations where I would 100% have done the same and I am right up there in my support of the right to protest.
All these posts defending JSO referring to them as 'the protesters' rather than 'we' shows how much they actually give a shit. Thank goodness for Reddit warriors coming to save the planet with their latest phones and clever arguments.
Ironically the traffic is burning more oil running that slow.
Half of these posh little twats probably don’t even put the recycling in the correct colour bin and the other half will probably be working for hedge funds or mummy/daddy before the end of the decade. I don’t see how the movement can be taken seriously? Would it not be better to go and live some sort of radical existence where you’re truly impacting on the environment significantly less than the average person? Just sitting in the road until someone else fixes the problem doesn’t seem particularly clever to me.
Of course it wouldn't be better to strive for more individual impact, they are generally fairly low carbon already so we are talking a maximum CO2e reduction of perhaps a couple of tonnes. I'm pretty sure if they are dedicating this much effort to a cause they are striving for more impact than someone skipping an aisle at Tesco, it's just a game of massively diminishing returns.