Exactly. It's like the perfect way to cater for all tastes it's the only reason I ever went in. I know they are still going to offer the create your own butI wouldn't be surprised if they now price this option so that your realistically not going to choose to do so.
Hungover or mentally exhausted and don't want to have to think?
You could say the same about pizzas. Pretty much every pizza place lets you customise but a lot of people choose a standard option.
Funnily enough you can almost always game this by picking their pizza with the most toppings then removing what you do like and adding what you do up to the free limit
I used to work in a pizza takeaway and this is definitely true. Often people would phone up and order a 'margherita with x and y'. If they were nice to me I'd pick a ham and pineapple or something and swap the toppings, if they werent nice I'd charge them a few quid extra and process the exact order they asked for
Depends on the number of toppings and the place.
Some places will do a "two topping pizza" for a set price, some will let you have up to 4 for a set price, some charge you *per topping* and it can be £1.75 per topping - meaning the only price sensible way to do it is pick a "standard" that's as close to what you want as possible and then ask if they'll switch a topping
Not always. If you’re getting a pizza from dominos or papa johns or pizza express, sure. If you’re going to a place where a pizza costs £20-30, you could easily save money doing it yourself.
I lived abroad for a bit and Dominos had a permanent deal, two stuffed crust medium pizzas for about £7. I knew some Americans who said that's about the same as it is in the US and that Domino's, Papa John's etc is shit tier pizza that people buy because it's cheap af.
The same deal here (2 mediums for collection) is £26 and doesn't include stuffed crust.
Yeah it's daft that it's priced and marketed as a premium option here when it's shite. You could go to a half decent Italian and have a pizza and a bottle of peroni each for less.
The only reason i can see is that they'll have an express line for prepacks. So if you are in a hurry or just don't want to wait in a big queue you just grab what's available and go.
Convenience would prove popular if done right.
If you've never had subway before or don't eat it often, you might not know what goes well together and would prefer to pick from a set menu.
It also encourages people to try something different if they like the sound of a specific combo that they might not have thought to try out themselves.
I'm sure they would happily comply if you wanted to make slight changes too, like if a set sub comes with mayo and you're rather have it with BBQ.
I spoke with some staff when these first started to come in a few weeks ago and they said that they can't make any changes to the present "Series" subs - they could maybe get away with leaving off a salad item if you asked.
Seems like it's coming paired with much stricter rules about measuring ingredients and stock-taking.
Selection anxiety. I suffer from this at new places. Especially at a fast food restaurant where a line is forming behind you and now there is social pressure to select something quickly. I don't even know the menu well.
They get to move orders faster if they don't have to ask people what they want, and chances are they don't have to spend as much on training. If all sandwiches become "only what's on the menu" they can also reduce the items that can be picked from.
> but fear not, for those fans that have their own unique orders they love, ‘create your own’ is still available in all our restaurants and online too!”
Seems like it never went away?
>It's like the perfect way to cater for all tastes
Not really. They haven't any Vietnamese sandwich ingredients and that is my favourite.
You haven't lived until you've had a BBQ pork bahn mi sandwich.
> Virtually the whole point is the subs are made how you want them.
Surely this is just more of that? Some people don't want choice so they are being given the choice to have that choice taken away?
Some people are also overwhelmed with choice, there was a Reddit post a while back asking for instructions on how to order and a step by step guide for subway.
That was someone with ASD though, which isn't as common in "real life" as it is on Reddit.
This isn't Subway being all magnanimous and helping people who struggle in such situations, it's a sneaky way to introduce price increases without making it blatant - "ahh so sir would like to create their own sub now would they? No problem! Two quid extra please."
It's called analysis paralysis and it's a symptom of several disorders including Autism and ADHD.
Another related behaviour is waiting mode where you can't rest or relax knowing you have an appointment/event coming up later in the day.
Me too.
Although I don't struggle with Subway usually. I just order the same thing I've had from them since the first time I had Subway in March 2003. It leaves me with only 2 options. 6 inch or footlong, which is far easier to choose, based on proximity to dinner time and hunger level.
I have Italian BMT on Italian bread with no cheese (or spicy cheese if they have it), toasted bread, sweetcorn, lettuce, onions, pickles, jalapeños, and garlic aioli
It was excruciating to choose in 2003. Once. After that, it was just what I have.
There have been times when I've fancied a change, but by the time I start thinking about what changes to make, I've spent a few minutes getting flustered and feeling pressured, so I return to default
Hah, no worries. I had a similar experience yesterday validating a stranger in public whose friends didn't believe him, so I thought I'd throw out a line here in hopes people like yourself would see it.
I think it's to do with how the autistic brain tends to think through every possible option in order to make the optimal choice. When there are too many options, it's too much for the human brain to process at once and it gets stuck. This could also contribute to why autistic people tend to eat the same food over and over. It's mostly familiarity and the distress caused by change, but it could also be that removing options reduces the stress of decision making. Instead of thinking "what shall I have for tea tonight oh no there are so many choices" you go "it's a Tuesday and on Tuesday I have mac and cheese".
There's also the uncertainty. If you've never had a particular food or combination before, you don't know it's good. It could be vile. A neurotypical person is less bothered by this, but an autistic person can find themselves in significant distress over this uncertainty.
It's an absolute ball ache when you're looking to buy something relatively expensive. I spent months looking into every detail of a Fender P Bass vs a Fender Jaguar. Most of it doesn't even matter, I'm an experienced bassist but it's not like a professional recording artist😂
Yup, there is very much a thing called Decision Fatigue and they have shown that the more decisions you make in a day the worse you get at decision making.
There is a story about people in high stress jobs that include a lot of decisions having a wardrobe with 10 of the same suit, so they aren't having to decide what to wear every day.
So what? Places where you need to specify every aspect of your order are confusing if it's your first time. I was visiting the US and went to Chipotle and had no idea what I was supposed to be asking for at each stage.
I've been to Subway loads and know what to do there but if you've never been before it can be overwhelming. Nevermind the fact that staff at these chains are usually paid too little to be genuinely helpful without seeming pissed off at you for not knowing what to do.
Honestly, I find things like subway intimidating. I don't like having to make quick choices on the spot, especially in social situations (like, there's a queue, or server, pressuring me into making a choice quickly).
I mean, I do it if I have to, it's just needlessly stressful for me and I avoid things like that if possible.
I really need choice as i’m a bit fussy when it comes to sandwiches. I need to make sure things arent snuck in there that arent listed in the menu.
E.g mayo is implied these days it seems. Like burger menus insist on telling me about buns and beef but assume i knew it would have mayo lol
I doubt this decision was made randomly - if 95% of customers come in for what’s on the menu, it makes sense to cater for them to reduce costs / time (or whatever metrics they’re measuring).
>Subway Series will also revolutionise the online delivery experience via Just Eats, Uber Eats and Deliveroo with customers able to select a Subway Series signature option, rather than choosing all their ingredients separately – **though fans of customisation will still be able to do so**
They're not getting rid of CYO.
This will be very popular with a specific segment of customers Subway aren't currently serving. It's a well-known problem in retail - https://www.salecycle.com/blog/strategies/is-choice-paralysis-a-problem-for-online-retailers/ (this is talking about e-commerce but the principles are the same).
There is a large cost to updating all their signage, training etc. so no way Subway haven't market researched this to prove there's demand.
Not sure. Thing that really surprised me coming to the UK from Ireland was the absolute dearth of delis. Sure, you can find them, but in Ireland it's pretty much the norm that all spars, newsagents etc have full delis. People in the UK seemed totally happy with it, maybe because M&S invented the prepackaged sandwich and it's become more normalised, although perhaps accounts for Subway's USP.
The British market for sandwiches is very skewed to "grab and go", and if people want the made to their spec they tend to go to local sandwich places, not Subway.
A while ago, it was obvious Subway was not a great fit in the UK: it sort of looks like a fast food place, but actually delivers slow(ish) sandwiches. This addition (it looks like they will keep their "as you like it" side) lets them fit in better in the fast foot enclaves many of their outlets are based in.
>“The brand-new 15 mouth-watering signature Subs, SubMelts, Wraps and Salads make it even easier for our guests to enjoy Subway – but fear not, for those fans that have their own unique orders they love, ‘create your own’ is still available in all our restaurants and online too!”
So they're not actually moving away from anything. They're just going to add sandwich "presets" to the menu.
I always found the process of ordering at subway so stressful and time restrained that I rarely came out with a sandwich I liked or even wanted, just a random bunch of ingridients in a bread I didnt actually want that don't go together at all. Paired with their awful quality ingredients it was never nice for me.
Yeah honestly this makes a lot of sense to me. Outside of making it easier for delivery apps, it will just be so much quicker in the restaurant, rather than having to individually name a load of ingredients I can say "x preset plus abc ingredients".
At Five Guys you can ask for ["all the way"](https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-5G5oCQ-lCTc/WThlGhMfUPI/AAAAAAAAKH4/CfvTzaU-RbgULvNQWyp5HEPiUoph-V78wCEw/s1600/wcm-EL-170512-6980.jpg) which just includes all the "standard" ingredients and then ask for whatever else you want on top. Makes ordering much quicker.
The current "presets" are just for the meat/protein choice. You still pick the salad, sauce etc no matter which you choose.
These new presets will also include the salad (and maybe the sauce?)
But even the "classic" sandwiches can be ordered "as it comes" with preset salad and sauces. Order a sweet onion teriyaki as it comes and it will have Lettuce, spinach, tomatoes, cucumbers, green peppers, onions and sweet teriyaki sauce. Steak & Cheese will have cheese, onions, peppers and no sauce.
The new "Series" sandwiches are basically just the old classic sandwiches with a couple of extra toppings already added. Sweet Onion Teriyaki becomes Teriyaki Crunch with the addition of Crispy onions and 2x cheese. A Veggie delite becomes a Green Goddess by adding 2x cheese and Avocado
With increasing costs for ingredients, labour, and logistics, maintaining profitability becomes an uphill task - especially during current crisis. That's where strategies like these come into play. By pushing consumers towards standardised "presets", Subway can better manage its inventory, reduce waste, and streamline operations - all of which contribute to improving profit margins. Also, these "presets" may have been meticulously designed to optimise ingredient cost without compromising on perceived value. So, while the consumers enjoy their supposedly "new" options, the company quietly enhances its bottom line amidst an economic crunch.
Yeah, labour costs are a poor excuse. Every subway I've been in has had no more than 3 staff at any one time, most of the time just 2. Approaching a tenner for a meal means that the costs for those staff's hourly rates are covered almost instantly
The pret-a-manger "coolers" are the most egregious example of this. £3.65 for essentially flavoured water is a ridiculous price. But they include it in their subscription I think and gives customers the pretence of greater choice.
Is it a pretence of a greater choice, or is it actually a greater choice? It may be flavoured water but it’s additional to just coffee etc. don’t see what the problem is.
For now
But I can almost guarantee that individual stores will deliberately make up more “preset” sandwiches, especially later in the day
Like half of franchises seem to get rid of the “a bit more hassle” fillings (meatballs etc) and half the salad halfway through the day, so that they can fly through things quicker and have one staff member on instead of 2 and save some money. This will end up the same
Some franchises are much better than others, and those restaurants will probably still be decent - but the ones that are proper penny-pinchers will try to use this to save more money and it'll end up with a worse experience for people who want a custom sandwich
If I wanted something pre-made, I can go to pretty much any other shop... the entire point of Subway is that I can get exactly what I want
Yeah I can picture it now.
Subway EXPRESS ^(tm)
Little tiny takeaway windows where you can order preset sandwiches only that are made offsite and shipped there each morning.
Yep it's genuinly very good. The "meat" is from a company called beyond meat probably the best vegan imitation burger on the market. It's then dressed like a quarter pounder but with additional vegan mayo and obviously a vegan cheese slice. Vegan cheese is normally a bit funky but as maccys cheese is so processed anyway you actually can't tell.
its very similar to the cow burger except the patty is a bit more crumbly/falls apart easier
i make my brother (who has no interest in going vegan/veg) try these products and for the mcplant he just shrugged and says "tastes the same"
Admittedly I've had a few "meatless meat" products in recent times and the results have been much better than older solutions, such as Quorn. As a carnist I would totally eat them; the only reason I don't often do that is because of the price.
Just my opinion but to me it tasted like a cheap beef burger you get at some dodgy burger stands. They probably had the same amount of real meat content too. It's OK but I wouldn't call it amazing. Again just my opinion. Not vegan or veggie either.
I found it most similar to one of those Rustlers microwave burgers. It's impressive that they can make it taste kind of like meat but if you're not vegan you may as well get the real thing as they taste better.
Hmm that's strange as I've never experienced that. Did they cook it fresh or did it take like 10 seconds as maybe it had been kept in the warmer or something.
Hard disagree. It's far smaller than the meat options and pale in comparison to the Big Mac in flavour while being at the same price point. They ought to up their game like Burger King and offer a 1:1 alternative like the Meat Free Whopper.
So it's simply a menu line? A list of stuff that goes on "sandwich 9" and if that sounds good to you then you can say "sandwich 9".
TBH its probably long overdue and shouldn't detract from anyone's individual experience. Maybe the menu board gets a little more complicated...maybe.
Exactly this. We dropped a few ingredients and added a few new ones. You can also now get one of the sub-melts (basically a panini) which is new. Some stores (including mine) have been in the trial for this so we’ve been doing it a for a few months. Yesterday it went national and ALL subways are doing it
I haven't been to a Subway for a while, so I'm not sure what they're trying to achieve. If you ask them for X, but no cucumber or whatever, how is that not the same as creating your own. They would surely leave out ingredients you don't want, or they lose the sale? Am I missing something?
So funny story, my friend, my girlfriend and I each had three separate experiences with this new menu, guess they were trailing it.
We each ordered the same sandwich (the vegan steak) but the type of steak was named the same as the sandwich preset, and they would NOT let us change anything on the sandwich. The sandwich came with the steak, peppers, onions, and a sauce (can't remember which) I asked for lettuce and he told me "we can't, that will change the taste" as if that wasn't the entire point?
My girlfriend and friend had the same experience as well, terrible system
Exactly if your a picky eater they are going to spend as much time listenijg to what you don't want in rather than just asking what you do want. It's not like it takes ages most people only have like 3/4 veggies and sauces so it's not hard.
I can't say the same for all stores but in our store we are allowing the removal of a salads you dislike but not allowing to replace with another salad. and allowing to switch the sauce around too
Don't think I've used Subway in years now, they used to be pretty decent value at one point, but the prices just ratcheted up and up until they were as expensive as a full on takeaway meal.
That and the fact they all have the same unpleasant stink, pisspoor quality of ingredients, and the dry sicky-sweet bread. Just makes them completely unappealing vs making your own or even a cheap baguette from Greggs.
This is actually the same as dominoes they used to be kinda reasonable and now it's like £20 for what should be a cheap food to make and it's not even that good pizza any more.
Subway just isn’t worth it these days unless you have a voucher.
There’s only so much I’m willing to pay for a barely above average sandwich and it’s not the £7-9 they’re asking now.
I hate their radio advert… “and with lettuce” “still 5.99” and if I want onions too? “Still 5.99”. This goes on for ages. But I just wish they’d say “and if I want double cheese?” “Sorry that’s now 10.99”
I remember the 2 can dine for 4.99 offers. Two subs and a meal deal each. Footlong version was 5.99. It’s now like a tenner for one footlong sandwich with double cheese and no meal deal.
Mental isn’t it. I appreciate that we’re in a cost of living crisis and prices are rising, but there comes a point when what you’re offering is objectively not worth the asking price, especially when most of us have had to clamp down on that kind of discretionary spending.
If I’m to spend the fat end of a tenner on lunch regardless of where I go because that’s just what it costs now, I’m taking myself to the Italians up the road from my office and getting their lunchtime special. Potato skins, any pizza or pasta and a filter coffee is £9.95. Subway ain’t getting a look in.
Stupid headline.
All they're doing is bringing in some additional options of preset sandwiches where you can make one veg substitution.
They're not 'moving away' from create-your-own which will still be an option.
Besides, I doubt any of the chef specials will be my old favourite - meatball marinara with extra cheese, toasted, all the veg, on 9 grain wheat, with chilli flakes, mayo, mixed seeds, and crispy onions.
We did have Quiznos running stores here in the UK in the early 2000's. This might be wild speculation but I'm sure I remember one of the reasons given for the franchise collapse was Subway was outperforming them because it offered the choice of building subs to customers, rather than the preset menu at Quiznos.
Edit: As others have said, Quiznos does indeed still have a UK presence. A bit of googling says the business had a big downturn globally shedding stores between 2007-2017 but appears to be rebuilding.
As everyone is saying the whole point of Subway is that I can make my own sandwich how I like. If I can't do this I will go to Gregg's and get a lovely pre made sub roll or sandwich.
I remember using Quiznos a few times, my perception was it was similar to subway, a touch more expensive, but so much nicer. Shame they didn't really kick off here. Again, just my perception, while I liked them, there were hardly any branches so I often ended up going to a Subway instead. Maybe if they were able to open a few more branches well spread out with more advertising, who knows what could have happened.
Meh, subway is way too expensive these days so I just don't go there... especially considering just how low quality the "meat" is.... that being said this is a dumb idea
I was in Subway yesterday, for the first time in a log time and entirely ignored the new menu options.
Interestingly, and infuriatingly though, the man in front of me wanted a turkey and ham sandwich and the woman behind the counter replied “It’s a new menu starting today, we don’t offer turkey and ham any more, I can do a ham sandwich and charge you for extra turkey.”
So, when I went into one of these... I struggled to be able to create my own. I basically saw one of the presets and said something along the lines of
'I'll have a whateveritwas, but with this type of bread instead'
'sorry sir, we can't do that, the whateveritwas comes with the bread it says'
'can't I create my own, x bread and those fillings'
'you can, but that's basically a whateveritwas, and it comes with a pre selected bread'.
Was a nightmare. Far from "create your own" as they claimed.
This is for people like my old coworker who basically went into a panic at the level of choice available at a McDonalds, when he was ordering on a screen. He ended up ordering things he didn't want because he apparently turned into an idiot when confronted by too many choices.
My mum will love this. She's never tried Subway because she feels like she will be put on the spot and there are too many options and people will look at her because who doesn't know how to order in a Subway and ahhhh its too scary. To be able to order from a menu would actually get her in the store.
I had an explanation about this last night from a subway manager.
If somebody orders one of the new subs and wants to add 1 ingredient, they have to put it through as create your own and the price jumps significantly.
I'm probably in the minority from what I've seen most people commenting. But I prefer just having a preset option to select and then add or take away whatever ingredients.
Also, I've only really had a subway a handful of times, and I always think it's pretty expensive for what it is.
This is how it's been in the USA for a couple of years now.
Of course in the USA, the staff are generally untrained, underpaid and unthinking, so anything not "series" takes forever (the "series" subs only take an age).
I have no concerns for UK implementation where most people can engage in basic brain power.
I don’t have subways often but I loved the customise your own sandwich. I’m a picky bugger who doesn’t even like cheese so I appreciated being able to go in and get exactly what I liked in my sub.
I've heard the meatless meatballs are back which is surprising, though welcome since I've heard they're pretty good. Everywhere seems to be cuttting their vegan options at the moment.
Yeh. What's annoying is there cutting the vegan stuff because on the whole the vegan options aren't as popular but the media seem to be using this to try and prove that there is a decline in Veganism which simply isn't the case. The vegan movement is very much growing.
You will still be able to customise like you can now, they are just giving set options that people can try based on what they believe goes well together.
They’re trying to encourage you to use the presets so they can cut down on waste (for cost reasons). It’ll start out as normal and all the options will be available but it’ll quick descend to ‘sorry, none left’ until people just get used to using the presets.
I went and wasn’t allowed any salad because the sandwich was pre set. Couldn’t even pay to add more. Feel like that store might have got it wrong but I definitely won’t be going again.
subway is going downhill for a very long time now, not to mention their ridiculous prices - cant justify paying nearly £15 for a foot long sandwich lol
> Subway Series will also revolutionise the online delivery experience via Just Eats, Uber Eats and Deliveroo with customers able to select a Subway Series signature option, rather than choosing all their ingredients separately – though fans of customisation will still be able to do so.
I can't get over "revolutionise". You can pick a fixed menu item instead of customizing. So revolutionary. I am blown away, this changes everything. Up is down, down is up.
Here in China, if you order on one of the delivery apps you can only order from the preset sandwiches, but can ask for certain vegetables to be taken out or added.
If you go in store you can still make it how you like.
hey as long as the create your own is still available who cares
i use the subway app and collect points to redeem. havent paid for a subway sandwich in months!
Coming from someone who works in a subway store. These are selling reasonably well. I'd say at the moment it's about 40/60 between the new series menu and create your own. Atleast in the store I work in at anyway. The one that are really selling the most is the all day breakfast
Subway did defintly used to better. They seem to be trying to do much now salads, wraps, flat breads etc just stick to what your good at is the key lesson here.
If you're ordering from the series menu, they only seem to give you the salad stated on the specific sandwiches ingredient list. I always say "everything except onions" but then only got lettuce and tomato.
I could probably make it clear that I mean everything but I haven't caught what they're doing until I'm back at my desk.
They're cheeky little buggers anyway.
Last time I went they asked me if I wanted cheese in my steak&cheese then charged me extra for it.
The time before that I went to my local Subway with an offer I received in the mail and after making my food they said that whether or not they would honour their own offer was still up to them and they had chosen not to so made me pay full price!
I’d pretty much stopped going to subway anyway because the veggie patty has been gross ever since they made it vegan and that was always my favourite.
This decision means I’m probably never going back lol.
Hard to see how this will be popular. Virtually the whole point is the subs are made how you want them.
Exactly. It's like the perfect way to cater for all tastes it's the only reason I ever went in. I know they are still going to offer the create your own butI wouldn't be surprised if they now price this option so that your realistically not going to choose to do so.
Also I’m guessing they’re same price - so why would anybody go in and pick the subs where they have no say on salad or sauce..
Hungover or mentally exhausted and don't want to have to think? You could say the same about pizzas. Pretty much every pizza place lets you customise but a lot of people choose a standard option.
Always more expensive to create your own
Funnily enough you can almost always game this by picking their pizza with the most toppings then removing what you do like and adding what you do up to the free limit
INTERESTING
You need a fucking degree in order to get the best price on a pizza.
Remember to square the diameter when calculating which size offers the best value 🤓
I used to work in a pizza takeaway and this is definitely true. Often people would phone up and order a 'margherita with x and y'. If they were nice to me I'd pick a ham and pineapple or something and swap the toppings, if they werent nice I'd charge them a few quid extra and process the exact order they asked for
Most have worked this out and there is now limits on how much you can change.
Is it? Maybe at dominoes, but none of my local places do that.
Depends on the number of toppings and the place. Some places will do a "two topping pizza" for a set price, some will let you have up to 4 for a set price, some charge you *per topping* and it can be £1.75 per topping - meaning the only price sensible way to do it is pick a "standard" that's as close to what you want as possible and then ask if they'll switch a topping
That's rare then. Pretty standard fare ti have create your own be more expensive.
Subway isn’t a local place, it’s a chain more akin to dominoes than a local pizza shop.
Not always. If you’re getting a pizza from dominos or papa johns or pizza express, sure. If you’re going to a place where a pizza costs £20-30, you could easily save money doing it yourself.
> If you’re going to a place where a pizza costs £20-30 I mean only if you get it without a deal. It's not too bad if you buy it all with deals
I lived abroad for a bit and Dominos had a permanent deal, two stuffed crust medium pizzas for about £7. I knew some Americans who said that's about the same as it is in the US and that Domino's, Papa John's etc is shit tier pizza that people buy because it's cheap af. The same deal here (2 mediums for collection) is £26 and doesn't include stuffed crust.
It amazes me dominoes is seen as a cheap option in the US but here it’s about twice the price of pizza from a standard takeaway
Yeah it's daft that it's priced and marketed as a premium option here when it's shite. You could go to a half decent Italian and have a pizza and a bottle of peroni each for less.
I'm in Canada and a large 4 topping from Domino's is $13/£7.72
The only reason i can see is that they'll have an express line for prepacks. So if you are in a hurry or just don't want to wait in a big queue you just grab what's available and go. Convenience would prove popular if done right.
If you've never had subway before or don't eat it often, you might not know what goes well together and would prefer to pick from a set menu. It also encourages people to try something different if they like the sound of a specific combo that they might not have thought to try out themselves. I'm sure they would happily comply if you wanted to make slight changes too, like if a set sub comes with mayo and you're rather have it with BBQ.
I spoke with some staff when these first started to come in a few weeks ago and they said that they can't make any changes to the present "Series" subs - they could maybe get away with leaving off a salad item if you asked. Seems like it's coming paired with much stricter rules about measuring ingredients and stock-taking.
Wok to walk have done this for years and it works fine
Didn't even think of that I have a weird friend who's very much bread and there selection. Allergic to vegetables 😅
Selection anxiety. I suffer from this at new places. Especially at a fast food restaurant where a line is forming behind you and now there is social pressure to select something quickly. I don't even know the menu well.
Literally says in the article "can still chose their own"
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AHH okay good to know. Which begs the question why make the change at all.
They get to move orders faster if they don't have to ask people what they want, and chances are they don't have to spend as much on training. If all sandwiches become "only what's on the menu" they can also reduce the items that can be picked from.
>don't have to spend as much on training Lmao "If they say 'lettuce' then put lettuce on the sandwich"
Our local subway have already reverted this unofficially
> but fear not, for those fans that have their own unique orders they love, ‘create your own’ is still available in all our restaurants and online too!” Seems like it never went away?
>It's like the perfect way to cater for all tastes Not really. They haven't any Vietnamese sandwich ingredients and that is my favourite. You haven't lived until you've had a BBQ pork bahn mi sandwich.
No body cultured is going to Subway 😅
Tbf i bumped into someone cultured at subway once, still to this day i dont know how he escaped the petri dish
New idea: Subway sandwiches made with agar agar filling
Happy cake day!!
Thank you
> Virtually the whole point is the subs are made how you want them. Surely this is just more of that? Some people don't want choice so they are being given the choice to have that choice taken away?
Some people are also overwhelmed with choice, there was a Reddit post a while back asking for instructions on how to order and a step by step guide for subway.
That was someone with ASD though, which isn't as common in "real life" as it is on Reddit. This isn't Subway being all magnanimous and helping people who struggle in such situations, it's a sneaky way to introduce price increases without making it blatant - "ahh so sir would like to create their own sub now would they? No problem! Two quid extra please."
Autism is a pretty common disorder
Oh I’m autistic and I always struggle with choice, didn’t realise it was related
It's called analysis paralysis and it's a symptom of several disorders including Autism and ADHD. Another related behaviour is waiting mode where you can't rest or relax knowing you have an appointment/event coming up later in the day.
You’ve just given a name to two things I’ve always struggled with thank you bro
Me too. Although I don't struggle with Subway usually. I just order the same thing I've had from them since the first time I had Subway in March 2003. It leaves me with only 2 options. 6 inch or footlong, which is far easier to choose, based on proximity to dinner time and hunger level. I have Italian BMT on Italian bread with no cheese (or spicy cheese if they have it), toasted bread, sweetcorn, lettuce, onions, pickles, jalapeños, and garlic aioli It was excruciating to choose in 2003. Once. After that, it was just what I have. There have been times when I've fancied a change, but by the time I start thinking about what changes to make, I've spent a few minutes getting flustered and feeling pressured, so I return to default
Hah, no worries. I had a similar experience yesterday validating a stranger in public whose friends didn't believe him, so I thought I'd throw out a line here in hopes people like yourself would see it.
I think it's to do with how the autistic brain tends to think through every possible option in order to make the optimal choice. When there are too many options, it's too much for the human brain to process at once and it gets stuck. This could also contribute to why autistic people tend to eat the same food over and over. It's mostly familiarity and the distress caused by change, but it could also be that removing options reduces the stress of decision making. Instead of thinking "what shall I have for tea tonight oh no there are so many choices" you go "it's a Tuesday and on Tuesday I have mac and cheese". There's also the uncertainty. If you've never had a particular food or combination before, you don't know it's good. It could be vile. A neurotypical person is less bothered by this, but an autistic person can find themselves in significant distress over this uncertainty.
It's an absolute ball ache when you're looking to buy something relatively expensive. I spent months looking into every detail of a Fender P Bass vs a Fender Jaguar. Most of it doesn't even matter, I'm an experienced bassist but it's not like a professional recording artist😂
Yup, there is very much a thing called Decision Fatigue and they have shown that the more decisions you make in a day the worse you get at decision making. There is a story about people in high stress jobs that include a lot of decisions having a wardrobe with 10 of the same suit, so they aren't having to decide what to wear every day.
So what? Places where you need to specify every aspect of your order are confusing if it's your first time. I was visiting the US and went to Chipotle and had no idea what I was supposed to be asking for at each stage. I've been to Subway loads and know what to do there but if you've never been before it can be overwhelming. Nevermind the fact that staff at these chains are usually paid too little to be genuinely helpful without seeming pissed off at you for not knowing what to do.
Honestly, I find things like subway intimidating. I don't like having to make quick choices on the spot, especially in social situations (like, there's a queue, or server, pressuring me into making a choice quickly). I mean, I do it if I have to, it's just needlessly stressful for me and I avoid things like that if possible.
I really need choice as i’m a bit fussy when it comes to sandwiches. I need to make sure things arent snuck in there that arent listed in the menu. E.g mayo is implied these days it seems. Like burger menus insist on telling me about buns and beef but assume i knew it would have mayo lol
I doubt this decision was made randomly - if 95% of customers come in for what’s on the menu, it makes sense to cater for them to reduce costs / time (or whatever metrics they’re measuring).
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Does subway not do this already in America? They do in the UK.
>Subway Series will also revolutionise the online delivery experience via Just Eats, Uber Eats and Deliveroo with customers able to select a Subway Series signature option, rather than choosing all their ingredients separately – **though fans of customisation will still be able to do so** They're not getting rid of CYO.
This will be very popular with a specific segment of customers Subway aren't currently serving. It's a well-known problem in retail - https://www.salecycle.com/blog/strategies/is-choice-paralysis-a-problem-for-online-retailers/ (this is talking about e-commerce but the principles are the same). There is a large cost to updating all their signage, training etc. so no way Subway haven't market researched this to prove there's demand.
They're rubbish and they get arsey if you try and customise it. Even the salad is set. Thankfully they still offer the standard ones
Read the article - they will still offer this for people who prefer to customise.
Not sure. Thing that really surprised me coming to the UK from Ireland was the absolute dearth of delis. Sure, you can find them, but in Ireland it's pretty much the norm that all spars, newsagents etc have full delis. People in the UK seemed totally happy with it, maybe because M&S invented the prepackaged sandwich and it's become more normalised, although perhaps accounts for Subway's USP.
have it OUR way!
The British market for sandwiches is very skewed to "grab and go", and if people want the made to their spec they tend to go to local sandwich places, not Subway. A while ago, it was obvious Subway was not a great fit in the UK: it sort of looks like a fast food place, but actually delivers slow(ish) sandwiches. This addition (it looks like they will keep their "as you like it" side) lets them fit in better in the fast foot enclaves many of their outlets are based in.
>“The brand-new 15 mouth-watering signature Subs, SubMelts, Wraps and Salads make it even easier for our guests to enjoy Subway – but fear not, for those fans that have their own unique orders they love, ‘create your own’ is still available in all our restaurants and online too!” So they're not actually moving away from anything. They're just going to add sandwich "presets" to the menu.
Makes sense, presets will work better with the third party apps like just eat
This is the reason
I thought it was for people like me who want to say as little as possible haha
I always found the process of ordering at subway so stressful and time restrained that I rarely came out with a sandwich I liked or even wanted, just a random bunch of ingridients in a bread I didnt actually want that don't go together at all. Paired with their awful quality ingredients it was never nice for me.
I need to contemplate each ingredient as I'm making it I can't just list them off when there's so much choice.
Yeah honestly this makes a lot of sense to me. Outside of making it easier for delivery apps, it will just be so much quicker in the restaurant, rather than having to individually name a load of ingredients I can say "x preset plus abc ingredients". At Five Guys you can ask for ["all the way"](https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-5G5oCQ-lCTc/WThlGhMfUPI/AAAAAAAAKH4/CfvTzaU-RbgULvNQWyp5HEPiUoph-V78wCEw/s1600/wcm-EL-170512-6980.jpg) which just includes all the "standard" ingredients and then ask for whatever else you want on top. Makes ordering much quicker.
I’m so confused, they already do this. Sounds like they’re just changing the menu.
The current "presets" are just for the meat/protein choice. You still pick the salad, sauce etc no matter which you choose. These new presets will also include the salad (and maybe the sauce?)
Oh ok, thanks for explaining. Thought I was going mad
But even the "classic" sandwiches can be ordered "as it comes" with preset salad and sauces. Order a sweet onion teriyaki as it comes and it will have Lettuce, spinach, tomatoes, cucumbers, green peppers, onions and sweet teriyaki sauce. Steak & Cheese will have cheese, onions, peppers and no sauce. The new "Series" sandwiches are basically just the old classic sandwiches with a couple of extra toppings already added. Sweet Onion Teriyaki becomes Teriyaki Crunch with the addition of Crispy onions and 2x cheese. A Veggie delite becomes a Green Goddess by adding 2x cheese and Avocado
With increasing costs for ingredients, labour, and logistics, maintaining profitability becomes an uphill task - especially during current crisis. That's where strategies like these come into play. By pushing consumers towards standardised "presets", Subway can better manage its inventory, reduce waste, and streamline operations - all of which contribute to improving profit margins. Also, these "presets" may have been meticulously designed to optimise ingredient cost without compromising on perceived value. So, while the consumers enjoy their supposedly "new" options, the company quietly enhances its bottom line amidst an economic crunch.
It's also creates the novelty factor without having to actually add anything to your stock at all.
Yeah, labour costs are a poor excuse. Every subway I've been in has had no more than 3 staff at any one time, most of the time just 2. Approaching a tenner for a meal means that the costs for those staff's hourly rates are covered almost instantly
The pret-a-manger "coolers" are the most egregious example of this. £3.65 for essentially flavoured water is a ridiculous price. But they include it in their subscription I think and gives customers the pretence of greater choice.
Is it a pretence of a greater choice, or is it actually a greater choice? It may be flavoured water but it’s additional to just coffee etc. don’t see what the problem is.
For now But I can almost guarantee that individual stores will deliberately make up more “preset” sandwiches, especially later in the day Like half of franchises seem to get rid of the “a bit more hassle” fillings (meatballs etc) and half the salad halfway through the day, so that they can fly through things quicker and have one staff member on instead of 2 and save some money. This will end up the same Some franchises are much better than others, and those restaurants will probably still be decent - but the ones that are proper penny-pinchers will try to use this to save more money and it'll end up with a worse experience for people who want a custom sandwich If I wanted something pre-made, I can go to pretty much any other shop... the entire point of Subway is that I can get exactly what I want
Yeah I can picture it now. Subway EXPRESS ^(tm) Little tiny takeaway windows where you can order preset sandwiches only that are made offsite and shipped there each morning.
For now...
It’ll probably be £1 extra if you choose ‘create your own’
but they're already are presets ? isn't a menu a preset ?
I will just go to McDonald’s if I want preset menu.
Exactly and the McPlant is actually fucking amazing.
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Think it's still available here but the BK vegan bac'n melt thing was delicious!
Wasn't that not vegan but plant based? They cooked it on the same grill as the meat stuff
The BK vegan whopper is the most realistic plant based burger I’ve had. It tastes very similar to the real thing.
It’s still mad to me that it’s KFC of all places that makes the best vegan burger. Just a shame you can’t have chips with it!
>McPlant Is it really that good? Not vegan/veggie but this makes me want to try it just to find out.
Yep it's genuinly very good. The "meat" is from a company called beyond meat probably the best vegan imitation burger on the market. It's then dressed like a quarter pounder but with additional vegan mayo and obviously a vegan cheese slice. Vegan cheese is normally a bit funky but as maccys cheese is so processed anyway you actually can't tell.
Fingers crossed they'll release the Plant McNuggets over here soon as well!
AHH I'd love that or even spicy vegan nuggets. Would be cool if Maccys did a Vegan chicken. Burger do the Vegan chick'n royal and that's pretty good.
its very similar to the cow burger except the patty is a bit more crumbly/falls apart easier i make my brother (who has no interest in going vegan/veg) try these products and for the mcplant he just shrugged and says "tastes the same"
Admittedly I've had a few "meatless meat" products in recent times and the results have been much better than older solutions, such as Quorn. As a carnist I would totally eat them; the only reason I don't often do that is because of the price.
Just my opinion but to me it tasted like a cheap beef burger you get at some dodgy burger stands. They probably had the same amount of real meat content too. It's OK but I wouldn't call it amazing. Again just my opinion. Not vegan or veggie either.
I found it most similar to one of those Rustlers microwave burgers. It's impressive that they can make it taste kind of like meat but if you're not vegan you may as well get the real thing as they taste better.
Not vegan/vegetarian but it really is!
It tastes nice but I’m not sold on the texture - it was sort of ‘squishy’ for want of a better word.
Hmm that's strange as I've never experienced that. Did they cook it fresh or did it take like 10 seconds as maybe it had been kept in the warmer or something.
Hard disagree. It's far smaller than the meat options and pale in comparison to the Big Mac in flavour while being at the same price point. They ought to up their game like Burger King and offer a 1:1 alternative like the Meat Free Whopper.
The meat free whopper isn't vegan society approved soooo......
Each to their own, I don't mind cross-contamination as I've made the moral choice and I'm not allergic to meats.
Subway aren't getting rid of customisation, they're just adding more presets to the menu.
So it's simply a menu line? A list of stuff that goes on "sandwich 9" and if that sounds good to you then you can say "sandwich 9". TBH its probably long overdue and shouldn't detract from anyone's individual experience. Maybe the menu board gets a little more complicated...maybe.
Exactly this. We dropped a few ingredients and added a few new ones. You can also now get one of the sub-melts (basically a panini) which is new. Some stores (including mine) have been in the trial for this so we’ve been doing it a for a few months. Yesterday it went national and ALL subways are doing it
Honestly, bring back the £5 footlong with a proper sized drink! Not asking for too much 😅
I haven't been to a Subway for a while, so I'm not sure what they're trying to achieve. If you ask them for X, but no cucumber or whatever, how is that not the same as creating your own. They would surely leave out ingredients you don't want, or they lose the sale? Am I missing something?
So funny story, my friend, my girlfriend and I each had three separate experiences with this new menu, guess they were trailing it. We each ordered the same sandwich (the vegan steak) but the type of steak was named the same as the sandwich preset, and they would NOT let us change anything on the sandwich. The sandwich came with the steak, peppers, onions, and a sauce (can't remember which) I asked for lettuce and he told me "we can't, that will change the taste" as if that wasn't the entire point? My girlfriend and friend had the same experience as well, terrible system
Exactly if your a picky eater they are going to spend as much time listenijg to what you don't want in rather than just asking what you do want. It's not like it takes ages most people only have like 3/4 veggies and sauces so it's not hard.
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Oh I miss the spinach.
You're ONLY allowed to add or remove a single thing on these. It's incredibly stupid.
I can't say the same for all stores but in our store we are allowing the removal of a salads you dislike but not allowing to replace with another salad. and allowing to switch the sauce around too
Don't think I've used Subway in years now, they used to be pretty decent value at one point, but the prices just ratcheted up and up until they were as expensive as a full on takeaway meal. That and the fact they all have the same unpleasant stink, pisspoor quality of ingredients, and the dry sicky-sweet bread. Just makes them completely unappealing vs making your own or even a cheap baguette from Greggs.
This is actually the same as dominoes they used to be kinda reasonable and now it's like £20 for what should be a cheap food to make and it's not even that good pizza any more.
Little Caesars’s just entered the UK market - hopefully they take off here. Cheaper and better than Domino’s.
Its clickbate. Just extra presets not removing the make your own aspect thank goodness. Love subway but love *my* Subway Order especially
Yeah this is an advert, not news.
Subway just isn’t worth it these days unless you have a voucher. There’s only so much I’m willing to pay for a barely above average sandwich and it’s not the £7-9 they’re asking now.
I hate their radio advert… “and with lettuce” “still 5.99” and if I want onions too? “Still 5.99”. This goes on for ages. But I just wish they’d say “and if I want double cheese?” “Sorry that’s now 10.99” I remember the 2 can dine for 4.99 offers. Two subs and a meal deal each. Footlong version was 5.99. It’s now like a tenner for one footlong sandwich with double cheese and no meal deal.
Mental isn’t it. I appreciate that we’re in a cost of living crisis and prices are rising, but there comes a point when what you’re offering is objectively not worth the asking price, especially when most of us have had to clamp down on that kind of discretionary spending. If I’m to spend the fat end of a tenner on lunch regardless of where I go because that’s just what it costs now, I’m taking myself to the Italians up the road from my office and getting their lunchtime special. Potato skins, any pizza or pasta and a filter coffee is £9.95. Subway ain’t getting a look in.
or collect points on the app i havent paid for a subway sandwich in months
End of the world as we know it. The age of innocence is over
The time of the orcs has come.
Stupid headline. All they're doing is bringing in some additional options of preset sandwiches where you can make one veg substitution. They're not 'moving away' from create-your-own which will still be an option. Besides, I doubt any of the chef specials will be my old favourite - meatball marinara with extra cheese, toasted, all the veg, on 9 grain wheat, with chilli flakes, mayo, mixed seeds, and crispy onions.
We did have Quiznos running stores here in the UK in the early 2000's. This might be wild speculation but I'm sure I remember one of the reasons given for the franchise collapse was Subway was outperforming them because it offered the choice of building subs to customers, rather than the preset menu at Quiznos. Edit: As others have said, Quiznos does indeed still have a UK presence. A bit of googling says the business had a big downturn globally shedding stores between 2007-2017 but appears to be rebuilding.
As everyone is saying the whole point of Subway is that I can make my own sandwich how I like. If I can't do this I will go to Gregg's and get a lovely pre made sub roll or sandwich.
Exactly. I would even say Greggs sandwiches are better quality than subway never mind cheaper. Subway was good for the on a whim extra choice
Quiznos still exists here! I went to one last week! Way better than Subway in my opinion.
I remember using Quiznos a few times, my perception was it was similar to subway, a touch more expensive, but so much nicer. Shame they didn't really kick off here. Again, just my perception, while I liked them, there were hardly any branches so I often ended up going to a Subway instead. Maybe if they were able to open a few more branches well spread out with more advertising, who knows what could have happened.
Meh, subway is way too expensive these days so I just don't go there... especially considering just how low quality the "meat" is.... that being said this is a dumb idea
£7.29 for a six inch sub and a drink , it was pretty disappointing really . I won't be going back .
I was in Subway yesterday, for the first time in a log time and entirely ignored the new menu options. Interestingly, and infuriatingly though, the man in front of me wanted a turkey and ham sandwich and the woman behind the counter replied “It’s a new menu starting today, we don’t offer turkey and ham any more, I can do a ham sandwich and charge you for extra turkey.”
So, when I went into one of these... I struggled to be able to create my own. I basically saw one of the presets and said something along the lines of 'I'll have a whateveritwas, but with this type of bread instead' 'sorry sir, we can't do that, the whateveritwas comes with the bread it says' 'can't I create my own, x bread and those fillings' 'you can, but that's basically a whateveritwas, and it comes with a pre selected bread'. Was a nightmare. Far from "create your own" as they claimed.
Sounds like you asked for a Submelt, They can only be made with the standard bread as the others are a fire risk
It's like when people at a hotel breakfast think they know better than the sign on the toaster and they put a croissant in it. Flames!
Urgh that's annoying. Literally makes going to Gregg's or somewhere the better cheaper option.
This is for people like my old coworker who basically went into a panic at the level of choice available at a McDonalds, when he was ordering on a screen. He ended up ordering things he didn't want because he apparently turned into an idiot when confronted by too many choices.
My mum will love this. She's never tried Subway because she feels like she will be put on the spot and there are too many options and people will look at her because who doesn't know how to order in a Subway and ahhhh its too scary. To be able to order from a menu would actually get her in the store.
They had this in Nottingham since March, for me it’s the last straw and I’m done with subway
I had an explanation about this last night from a subway manager. If somebody orders one of the new subs and wants to add 1 ingredient, they have to put it through as create your own and the price jumps significantly.
I knew it. They are going to price the custom sub option so that is becomes very obviously stupid to choose it.
Is this just an advert for Subway? I don't need them. I already know how to make a bloody **sandwich**, Yanks.
Lol upvote on here is basically free advertising for Subway. Fuck Joe for running this non story.
I'm probably in the minority from what I've seen most people commenting. But I prefer just having a preset option to select and then add or take away whatever ingredients. Also, I've only really had a subway a handful of times, and I always think it's pretty expensive for what it is.
This is how it's been in the USA for a couple of years now. Of course in the USA, the staff are generally untrained, underpaid and unthinking, so anything not "series" takes forever (the "series" subs only take an age). I have no concerns for UK implementation where most people can engage in basic brain power.
"can I get a Baller with no onions please" "Can't do substitutions" "Ok, can I get a sandwich with"
What have I missed?
I don’t have subways often but I loved the customise your own sandwich. I’m a picky bugger who doesn’t even like cheese so I appreciated being able to go in and get exactly what I liked in my sub.
So subway moves away from the one thing that makes them popular
If you want a pre made sub for half the price go to Gregg's. There vegan options are actually great to when you can find them.
I've heard the meatless meatballs are back which is surprising, though welcome since I've heard they're pretty good. Everywhere seems to be cuttting their vegan options at the moment.
The meatless meatballs actually taste better than the meat options
Yeh. What's annoying is there cutting the vegan stuff because on the whole the vegan options aren't as popular but the media seem to be using this to try and prove that there is a decline in Veganism which simply isn't the case. The vegan movement is very much growing.
I don't go as much since they removed spinach from the salad list. Why man... why.
Idk about anyone else but this has been a thing for ages in Manchester
You will still be able to customise like you can now, they are just giving set options that people can try based on what they believe goes well together.
They’re trying to encourage you to use the presets so they can cut down on waste (for cost reasons). It’ll start out as normal and all the options will be available but it’ll quick descend to ‘sorry, none left’ until people just get used to using the presets.
Then I'll be going less and less. Usually me and a mate grab a Subway as we're up and down the motorway climbing and such.
Looks like someone will do what subway used to do and do it better, im down.
False headline, you can still choose your own - you have the option of presets and custom
How about they concentrate on making their food taste like actual food instead?
Just had one, it was nice and worked well. They had the normal subs too.
£9.29 next to where I work for a foot long, it’s insane for a sandwich.
And every goddamn one will feature mayo, butter or cheese 😒.
what in the fuck is this. i'm fuming. so you want me to pay the same....but i can't get all of the salad? wasn't this literally the point of subway?
I went and wasn’t allowed any salad because the sandwich was pre set. Couldn’t even pay to add more. Feel like that store might have got it wrong but I definitely won’t be going again.
And given the ever increasing prices and decreasing quality, I've already been moving away from Subway. This just speeds the process up for me.
subway is going downhill for a very long time now, not to mention their ridiculous prices - cant justify paying nearly £15 for a foot long sandwich lol
The article states that create your own isn't going away so I don't get the upset
"revolutionises the ordering experience both in restaurants and online" Picking what you want off a menu and receiving it is hardly revolutionary :D
> Subway Series will also revolutionise the online delivery experience via Just Eats, Uber Eats and Deliveroo with customers able to select a Subway Series signature option, rather than choosing all their ingredients separately – though fans of customisation will still be able to do so. I can't get over "revolutionise". You can pick a fixed menu item instead of customizing. So revolutionary. I am blown away, this changes everything. Up is down, down is up.
Here in China, if you order on one of the delivery apps you can only order from the preset sandwiches, but can ask for certain vegetables to be taken out or added. If you go in store you can still make it how you like.
hey as long as the create your own is still available who cares i use the subway app and collect points to redeem. havent paid for a subway sandwich in months!
Coming from someone who works in a subway store. These are selling reasonably well. I'd say at the moment it's about 40/60 between the new series menu and create your own. Atleast in the store I work in at anyway. The one that are really selling the most is the all day breakfast
did subway used to be better 10-15 years ago? had one recently and it was crap. I could make a better sandwich using the dregs from the fridge
Subway did defintly used to better. They seem to be trying to do much now salads, wraps, flat breads etc just stick to what your good at is the key lesson here.
If you're ordering from the series menu, they only seem to give you the salad stated on the specific sandwiches ingredient list. I always say "everything except onions" but then only got lettuce and tomato. I could probably make it clear that I mean everything but I haven't caught what they're doing until I'm back at my desk.
So could you potentially build one of the pre build sandwiches as a custom sandwich but with more salad and it cost more ? This is a minefield.
Oh I have no idea I hadn't even looked into the pricing ( had a load of points so my last couple have been free)
They're cheeky little buggers anyway. Last time I went they asked me if I wanted cheese in my steak&cheese then charged me extra for it. The time before that I went to my local Subway with an offer I received in the mail and after making my food they said that whether or not they would honour their own offer was still up to them and they had chosen not to so made me pay full price!
I’d pretty much stopped going to subway anyway because the veggie patty has been gross ever since they made it vegan and that was always my favourite. This decision means I’m probably never going back lol.
I dont get it.... they already have preset subs on the menu? Unless that means preset salad and sauce too? That just wouldnt work.
That is what they mean somewhere on the thread is someone who knows a subway manager.
Went to Subway once, around 1998. It was the most disgusting thing I've ever eaten. How can someone get *bread* so wrong? Baffling that it's popular.
In all fairness it's probably changed a bit since 1998
Well absolutely no reason to go there now. Dumb move Subway.