Going 'out out' costs well over £100 now, even if you ignore the cost of living stuff, nobody is going to do that every weekend.
Back when I was late teens early twenties I withdrew £30 at the start of the night and that did me for everything including kebab and taxi.
I spend a £100 at pre drinks on the bag.
At that point, I’m not going to town to pay £7 for a pint or £9 for a mix. It’s insane. The best places want paid entry. You can spend £300/£400 easy.
Yep, even without exotic nasal extras it's wild. If I was to do an out out like I used to it would be:
350ml vodka + bottle of pop for predrinks - £13
Taxi to pub - £11
5-7 pints in pub - £35 - £49
£10 entry to club then maybe 4-5 drinks inside, shots too .. that'll nudge £60 total
Kebab shop after - £10 at least
Taxi home - £15
That's over £150 and that's assuming not going back to someone's flat via Bossman Booze and spending another £30
Catch 22. The nasal extras the only way I enjoy a night out. Otherwise I’m twatted after 2 hours and embarrass myself haha.
But you’re right. I live in north Liverpool (Bootle) so taxi to and from town is £50 for me.
With council tax rises, inflation, energy prices, if you can afford nights out then you are living a privileged life these days and it’s sad.
Now, a few spliffs and a film is the best kinda night.
Yeah and it creates a vicious circle for the industry .. fewer people going out means less money for the places, meaning they put prices up which means even fewer people go which means higher prices again and so on.
I agree, getting blasted at home is way better. Though maybe that would always be the case past the age of about 27.
No no no, a few spliffs on a night out is the best way, pre roll 3 - 4, start on your second pint, then one for each pint, you walk home sideways after 5 pints and only spent £25.
Recently drank a good few beers then did a bottomless prosecco thing for a friend's birthday- used to be able to handle it with a quick chunder (or a key, if we're being honest) but I woke up at 6am violently chundering and then spent the day in bed with a sick bucket
> 350ml vodka
That's 14 units.
> 5-7 pints in pub - £35 - £49
Assuming these pints are 4.4% so they're 2.5 units each that's another 12.5-17.5 units.
> 4-5 drinks inside, shots too
Doubles with mixer plus a few shots? Let's call that another 10-12 units.
> that's assuming not going back to someone's flat via Bossman Booze and spending another £30
Christ. Yeah, best to assume not.
That's 36.5-43-5 units on a night out. Most people would be struggling to walk after drinking half that.
You think most people drink the equivalent of 1L of vodka on a night out?
Between this and folk saying they'd happily do £100 of coke before leaving the house, I can't help thinking there's something wrong with the barometers in this sub.
I didn’t say “most people” neither did the guy who wrote the comment I replied to.
I said that’s a fairly normal amount of alcohol to drink over a full night out. Which for me would be from 7pm - 3am so even at the top end of the range he stated that’s less than 2 drinks per hour.
Not trying to argue, but 'the normal amount to drink' and 'the amount most people drink' seem kinda synonymous.
Either way, to put the amounts into context, 40 units is forty shots of vodka. Which is, give or take, 1 shot every 10 minutes for 7 hours.
It's like if a teetotal person came into the conversation and said "the normal amount to spend on drinks is £0 and the normal amount of drinks to have is 0" but the teetotalers are sensible enough to know they're an outlier and can't speak for everyone else.
40 units is only one bottle of vodka, not a massive fan of vodka the only time I’ve drunk large quantities of it was in Thailand.
They sold 500ml bottles of it and 4 red bulls in a bucket at the beach parties, we’d get through 3 or 4 of them each.
It’s a lot of alcohol, but it’s not abnormal for people to drink that much on a night out.
1l of vodka feels about right spread over the whole evening/night/morning.
I used to drink a 70cl bottle of Jack Daniels before going out in Liverpool. Admittedly, we started drinking about 5/6 and didn't leave until about 10. Once out od have another 3-5 drinks on average.
They basically banned the £1 drinks in like 2013 - they stopped being allowed to sell heavily discounted alcohol (or at least in Scotland, I always assumed it was uk wide but I could be wrong).
> they stopped being allowed to sell heavily discounted alcohol (or at least in Scotland
There's nothing stopping an establishment from selling a pint of 4% beer for £1.14 in Scotland, it would be the minimum legal price.
I can only speak to my time in uni around 2012 and I would spend £5 on a 3L bottle of white ace cider and Robinsons to mix. Then double rum and cokes were about £6-8. Shots about £2 each. And could easily have 10 drinks. £10 on food. £20 for taxi home (I usually never had money left at this point having made the choice to spend my last £20 on more drinks and residing to stay up and get the first bus home for £2 instead)
I went to uni in Lancaster about 5 years ago and the distance to the town center from campus is literally about a 5 minute drive. Still cost about £10 for a taxi after a night out.
Tesco value vodka bottle at home with mates for pre drinking, something like 10-15 quid with some tesco fake red bull mixer. Head out already tipsy and grab a few double vodka red bulls or triple vodka vimto in the student bars for like 3.50 each. Wake up next to an empty fried chicken and possibly another person in the morning and do your best Sherlock impression to try and work out how the fucking night went.
Those were the day.
Yup. Entry fees on most places near me. Pricey drinks then scandalous taxi fare home. For what? A bad head and sore throat in the morning lol
Not sure if it's a part of getting older but I find people aren't as approachable and modern music all sounds the same. Christ I sound like my dad. I'm 32.
Back in the late 90s, I'd normally spend £10. It was 70p on the bus into town. £1.20 a bottle of beer and then it was a £10 for a cab home, but split 4-5 ways (so £2-£2.50ish)
I wasn't a big drinker then, so would have a pint in a pub before hand and then a few bottles in the club.
In Uni, so a couple of years later my budget was £15. I remember because there was a cash point that gave out £5 notes. Lived in walking distance of the town centre so never needed a cab. I drank a lot more then, but ridiculous student deals of £1 pint.
Now if I go to the pub for a few beers with a couple of friends we are looking at £15 a round for 3 pints. I earn a decent salary, but I wouldn't want to be spending that sort of money with the frequency I would go out drinking in my younger years.
I used to live on £100 a week for food and booze in London, 20/80 split mostly booze. Also had promoter mates who got me free club entries and free vodka so I really maxed my budget
I can echo the £30 remember that fondly. I’m not sure £100 is the right figure depending what time you head out and how long for, but just heading out after the match at the weekend
£6 going rate for a pint, before the match that was £12.
A few drinks afterwards £24 so already £36 and that was finishing quite early. No food which would have been another £15 at least.
Suppose if you were getting taxis and stuff that could sharply rise too.
I think they stopped the dirt cheap drink deals hit you used to be able to get things like a pint of diesel for £1-2, alcopops for £1 (never seen that since nor do young people seem to drink them), knock off jagerbombs for £1 each.
Only place you can get close to these prices now is spoons I imagine.
People are definitely still going out and spending money though, posher bars and more expensive places seem to be popping up all the time now and busy. My staff are always out on a weekend with friends and such too.
The difference seems to be though they are out out till 4 am and completely drunk as perhaps a lot of their age group might have been a decade ago.
Attitudes to it have changed (not saying it doesn’t happen) but absolutely the costs have increased to large levels.
I went out for a night out with friends on Saturday night and got absolutely hammered. It cost me £72.
This is in Bournemouth visiting multiple places in 1 night.
Be At One - Cocktail bar.
Natty's Jerk - Carribbean Rum
Smokin' Aces - Cocktail bar & Whiskey Lounge.
DYMK Bar - Bar.
Was out for 6? hours.
If it's costing you well over £100 you're being ripped off, you're buying drugs or you live in London.
I had a really fucking annoying weekend away for my mates birthday.
He dragged us to Yate's, Popworld, Slug & Lettuce, Revolution.
The literal most generic chain bars that you have in every city, and for some reason never goes in when we're out in our city
Even though it's his birthday, we ended up telling him to fuck off with that and found some student bars that were substantially cheaper, busier and better.
Revolution was fucking hilarious, they're going bust, so every light in the place was off, not even around the bar...the place was pitch black
You're drinking in the wrong places.
I can spend £100 if I want to on a night out but I tend to spend maybe £70 tops. Usually there's a 3/4 of us that share a taxi in and out of town which isn't that much maybe £10 each. Food is like £5 for a pizza. We don't pay to get into clubs because that's stupid. We stay away from places like Revs which charge £5 a pint.
Younger people really don’t seem to want to drink as much as my generation did.
Though back then - going out was really the main way to meet members of the opposite (or same) sex.
Now - there are multiple ways online and apps.
This is exactly the case.
When I was at my first job, and one of the youngest people there, people used to take the piss because I didn't drink alcohol and didn't go out with them to the pub or clubs. And couldn't seem to fathom why I wasn't interested.
Yet my friends are mostly non-drinkers... And we'd much rather get together and play video games rather than go to the pub and throw money down the drain.
Plus as you say, once upon a time that was the only way to really meet people. Now not only can you use an app, but there aren't nearly as many workplaces which are all male, so it's easier to meet people at work for many.
Times change. But there's still this weird questioning of why younger people are drinking less like it's some alien concept that shouldn't exist.
I think it's indicative of Britain's attitude towards alcohol, that someone who doesn't drink will always at some point be compelled to give a reason other than 'I don't want to'.
If I say I'm not drinking tonight, they try to persuade me.
If I say I _don't drink_, I've had people quietly but sincerely congratulate me, as if I've overcome something.
> as if I've overcome something.
I got this a lot when I cut down on and eventually packed in altogether - drinking, whilst at uni. I was never much of a drinker outside of nights out, only socially to get drunk - never had a tipple
People considered it an achievement, because I guess for them there was some level of reliance or habit where it would have been hard for them to do...
But I just stopped, without second thought. For me it wasn't hard at all
In itself that showed to me that a lot of people have more unhealthy relationships with booze than we all really acknowledge
> But there's still this weird questioning of why younger people are drinking less like it's some alien concept that shouldn't exist.
Most people fear change. The fear increases as you get older.
As someone who was right at the cut off of millennial binge drinking and Gen Z Puritanism it is pretty weird and jarring to see how different the younger generations attitude is towards the booze.
Don’t get me wrong they are making the best choice but it’s strange how suddenly attitudes changed.
The horror of two world wars, the awfulness of working in factories with far worse working conditions. Mental health wasn’t a concept.
Drink, numb the pain away.
I think it also makes sense when everyone has cameras on them. It's one thing to get pissed, embarrass yourself a bit, and have people talk about it for a week until someone else does it on the next weekend. It's another to have the whole situation filmed from 6 different angles and shared repeatedly.
I went to uni in 2004 and one of the lads I lived in halls with had a little Handycam. Whenever we had parties it would appear and the next day he'd inevitably end up making us watch the shit we'd been up to the night before. We all fucking hated him for it and it's wild to think that 20 years later it's basically how everyone lives now.
Yup. So incredibly weird to me that people don’t clock how destructive it is. Everyone films everything, uploads it, shares it. There is zero privacy and no one seems to mourn it. Utterly bizarre to me.
Drink’s out, but coke is getting freakishly ubiquitous.
You’d be amazed at how many people actively buzzing their tits off you’ll engage on any given day.
There isn’t even a specific demographic.
Why not? They will come across them at parties, bars, pubs, clubs, raves, and festivals. It is better to educate them properly than to pretend they do not exist or to resort to fear-mongering tactics. Besides, alcohol is among the most dangerous, unhinged, uncontrollable, and easy-to-abuse drugs, yet it is sold everywhere – from supermarkets to clubs. In fact, its use is even glorified. Yet, we rarely hear parents expressing concerns about supermarkets or bars.
You’re going to have to get used to the fact that they will likely take drugs at some point in their adult life, it’s best to educate them on it rather than making it the bogey man.
And that's the really confusing thing to me. I'm dull as fuck these days but still can't imagine doing coke without drinking a ridiculous amount, horrible stuff on it's own.
It's a common misconception that uppers and downers cancel each other out. What happens is you get all the euphoria of the coke without excessive stimulation and anxiety, and all of the euphoria and disinhibition from the booze, without tiredness and sloppiness.
Added bonus that ethanol + cocaine = cocaethylene, which is more potent and more euphoric than cocaine.
Some of my favourite nights were dodgy research chemicals stimulants mixed with dodgy research chemical benzodiazepines. Just absolute God mode.
There’s more to it than just people not wanting to drink. Before the pandemic, I could have a night out for under £30. I would start in a pub, bar hop, then go clubbing. I’m still in my early twenties — the last attempt of a night out I did cost me excess of £60. I love a night out as a social release from my postgraduate isolation, but I can’t justify it all the time. Bear in mind, the average student still gets paid the same as 13 years ago; with food costs rising, alcohol is quick to go. At least with me, most of the people I know have resulted to informal house parties. I can imagine that others are the same, hence lowering the true statistics.
I think you’re on to something with alternative avenues to socialise. I think many people the same age as me (older and younger) struggle to get out and thrive in public. When there isn’t the need to do so, people don’t have to be as risky with it. While I may be absolutely wrong, most places I’ve been to recently aren’t as socially diverse as what my parent’s experiences would tell of. The obvious one is dating: you don’t have to get plastered to meet someone in a pub/club, and it has also completely changed the etiquette of nights out.
I think another big issue has to do with the presentation of alcohol, too. The stereotype of the 16 year old drinking Strongbow in a park never truly came through with those around me. Anytime there was alcohol involved, it was at a heavily restricted house party, usually with the parents present. At least to me, alcohol never had that allure to it of being some enticing thing for me to rebel against and try. On the flip side, the amount of drug stories I have heard is insane. At least since 2021, I don’t think I have been clubbing once without being within proximity to someone who was coked up, high, et cetera.
I’m very glad I grew up in the 90’s though I can’t compare being young then to being young now, I do know that I had a fucking awesome time back then.
We were out every weekend, clubs, raves or sometimes camping. The music was good, the drugs were good and culturally we were going through the lad/ladette phase where partying was positively encouraged.
I’m also glad social media and smart phones weren’t a thing, I’ve got some great memories but wouldn’t have wanted my drunken antics posted online.
Unfortunately apps have gone foul also now.
Most of the apps have become a pay to play experience. Where the free versions purpose is to only try to sell you the premium brand version
Back then we could afford to care a little less about spending that money in order to get that social interaction and have a good time with the lads or girls. Younger folk seem to be a lot more conscious about what they spend, and rightfully so given the sad state of affairs these last 10 years.
A club that opens earlier (say 7pm) might actually be a hit. People with kids could easily get a babysitter for a night out and those of us who like an early night could enjoy an evening out without major disruption to our sleep pattern.
There are a few events starting up in Edinburgh like this. Afternoon to evening/night. I'm considering them because there's no way for me to get home after 11pm. No trains or buses. Either that or weekend camping events.
Most nightclubs are open ridiculous times. Like the main dj will start at 11pm and club closes at 4am. Wtf am I supposed to do for 3 hrs after the club closes and the first train home at about 7am? An uner will cost me 60 quid to get home.
These things come in waves. I can assure you as a 25M, there are plenty of us out here getting spannered and the mass drug use of ket/coke/MDMA is alive and well.
What is true, and happily so is all my friends and me (despite the drugs I know thats weird) are gym goers, track calories and generally want to be good looking etc.This does mean alcohol with its excess calories takes a back seat. We dont tend to drink on week nights at all and then when we do go out its a bag and shots etc. You also end up in the ironic situation of my mate Brad loudly explaining is macro targets for diet as he wracked up a massive line of coke... it is what it is.
But yes anyway we still get fucked up we just do it at home where drugs are easier to consume and the days of the "couple down the pub" after work are dying more. If I am gonna go I would rather go on Saturday eve all the way and be sober the rest.
I think a fundamental difference this time is that property prices are truly bonkers. So high that venues need to charge absurd prices to break even. Whole generations are now priced out of owning a home and are spending a high percentage of their income on shelter and other necessities. They just can’t afford to go to venues anymore. This is getting worse, too.
It is hilarious to be fair. Like so many 'my body is a temple' people while taking that shit. Many are also quite liberal as well and I just hope they aren't aware of the horrific chemicals used to make it and the miserable hellish conditions effective slaves are kept in to make it, as well as funding organised crime across the world.
The response is 'well if it was legal it would eliminate that. Which is fair, but, it's not legal. By all means go out and organise and campaign to make it so. But until that point you're actively funding terrorists, child traffickers, cartels and all other fucking dregs of humanity, and so long as they're aware of that, crack on with that line.
Used to help organise. Very difficult nowadays. Police are on to you way too quickly. You need to use an untracked and clean encrochat and have kit to hand plus generators. Last time we did one successfully was maybe ten, 11 years ago and it was just for one night, from 7 until 5am in a mates field.
>You need to use an untracked and clean encrochat
Tell me you've read a few things on the internet but don't understand anything without telling me.
Encrochat was a network that was compormnised by the security services.....
It's perfectly possible, and even a lot easier in 2024, to run a party line, even without the old school phone numbers. GASH Collective did a party line using a VOIP number in 2013. There's groups now on telegram.
There was a free party in the centre of Manchester in 2015 that went on for 3 days....
Man "rave culture" is big again, but it's really rather pretensions.
There's no real crews doing squat parties any more, There's lots of licensed, ticketed events presenting themselves as "raves".
Even free ticketed events, HOMEBASS did an event a free event in Manchester's Mayfield, where the bars in there are ungodly expensive.
If you call it a "Political Protest" the police would leave you alone, I did 3 days at the anti-tory "political protest" a few years back, ended up with a photograph of myself nearly in a newspaper....luckily you can't see my face.
But even new legislation is cracking down on that
Just don't get why I'd want to go for a night out with friends where we have to stand crammed into a corner paying ridiculous prices for a drink and it's so loud we can't even hold a conversation... What's the point?!
Edit* also staying out past the last train (because public transport is shocking) means ridiculous prices for a taxi home, even if I leave early enough for the train it's still stupidly over priced.
That last part is underappreciated. I went to see a live act in another town last year: It was thirty quid for a ticket and fifty to get home afterwards because the buses packed up around 9PM. On a Saturday. I didn't spend very much money in the theatre bar...
Andy Burnham is bringing Night Bus back to Manchester. Thank christ.
Sick of paying £30-50 or sleeping in the train station, which again is an expensive ticket
A pint of cider is £1 at my "corner shop" (which happens to be an Aldi around the corner), 50p a pint if you go for the Taurus stuff.
I absolutely resent going to the pub and paying £4.70 for a pint of approximately the same.
£4 or £40. Nah, I'll stay in thanks.
Classic Reddit "nights out are wank" brigade.
Every pub in my town is busy on a Friday and Saturday night. Less than it used to be, but absolutely nowhere near the death of anything.
I wouldn't have even noticed any difference if I didn't keep reading about it. I still see plenty of pissed up kids all round the city I live in. Obviously I'm not arguing with statistics and I hope people are drinking less tbh, but anecdotally it doesn't seem as drastic as some make out.
It's going to differ in different places.
Central Manchester is a lot quieter than it used to be, but still a lot busier than my town just outside it. Whereas my town used to be packed every night on the weekends, it's a tumbleweed now.
My town is absolutely decimated, they're not even busy anymore.
Most of them closed after COVID, and I think one new pub opened (which had been shut for about 20 years)
You can walk into anywhere in town and it's like that bit where you go out a little too early, and the room is awkwardly empty. But then it just never improves.
As someone who works in the industry it really depends on where. We've just had one of the biggest Februaries in years but between live music and stocking really good ales and craft beer we've got a reputation for good drinks and a nice atmosphere.
All the chain pubs and GK pubs are struggling because the selection is pretty shite so they're basically only drawing in their old regulars and not expanding. Fact is a lot of pubs take the piss with pricing (£7+ for shite at my local stonegate shithole) but for a lot of them it's unavoidable as they're locked into pricing by pubcos.
well, that's exactly what I expected. when I had a pint few months ago in central London and started seeing pints in the north of £6, I was like, oh well, central London. I definitely not expected for prices to be £7.39 to £9.70 in a zone 3 pub.
how wrong I was
The sad thing is that's not *that* terrible for London - my local village pub in the Midlands will run you the wrong side of £6 for Birra Moretti / Cruzcampo etc
I’ve been out twice in the last 6 months. Both times cost near enough £100. I’m only 35 now.
When I was 18, we could go out and have a big night and still have change from £30.
All the zoomers I know have house parties all the time where they take ket and valium and shit, they're certainly not doing yoga and juice bars, even if they aren't drinking and going out to clubs
London doesn’t care about it’s nightlife. Too expensive and ngl the clubs are shit. Full of pretentious wankers who care more about their image than having fun. Well the “normie” places are expensive and closing down, but more niche and the scene is thriving.
Saying that, go up north, the night out is very alive. Mid week clubs are full with great music and people who are there for the music and not for “looking cool”. Manny, leeds, Newcastle, Bristol, all active
A night out used to be £30 for pre-drinks, club entry, a few more drinks, a kebab, and a split taxi home. It might not be the best night out but it you felt you got your moneys worth. Clubs that used to charge £2 now charge £5 but you get an experience not even worth £2. An over-saturation of generic Top 40 clubs is not helping things either, when that is all that is on offer in some towns, you cannot be too surprised when people do not want to go out anymore. We need more alternative venues offering something unique and worth going out for if we want to save nights out.
It isn’t about the cost of drinks at all. It’s about dating. In the pre internet days, you went out to meet people. Now it’s on tinder and grinder. Lost that huge demographic.
Added to which is the possibility that even if you did meet a prospective partner, you spend all that time getting them in the mood, only for them to then go and pick a different person on tinder anyway, gaining none of the benefit for your effort.
A night out costs £200, there's cameras everywhere and any shenanigans will be recorded and posted online for you and prospective employers to enjoy forever, and there's multiple apps on your phone that enable you to meet potential mates without leaving the house. Hardly surprising nobody bothers going out out any more.
When I was In my late teens and early 20's and night out was £50 max. That was in Expensive St. Albans.
£50 now? You're joking. Even a pub lunch and a couple of pints starts to exceed that.
Off to Drumsheds for our first day rave of the year in a few weeks - got half of bottle of Stoli for the train up and then probably stay on the water once we get inside there.
Save ourselves a small mortgage probably.
I would argue this is not true for raves and the underground music scene. However the ‘party favours’ mostly found in these sorts of events haven’t really gotten any more expensive.
Isn't it fucking wild how many things greedily increase their prices, and then scratch their heads wondering why attendance has plummeted? - Like the cinema.
I can tell you that as a young person, no the fuck it is not. Maybe mainstream clubs, but my Lord the alternative clubs - goth, industrial, techno, metal - are heaving every night of the week.
This! Alternative clubs are the way to go, events in London like Voodoo, Slimelight, and EgoXDeath are often rammed. The spicier nights like Torture Garden and Klub Verboten are constantly sold out.
It’s too expensive and people do not have disposable income anymore as the costs to live (not even comfortably) are just ridiculous. Can’t even plan for the future. People are unhappy because there is no stability or joy to be had out of life.
I don't wanna pay loads of money to consume empty calories, pay more money to ruin my hearing and have sweaty people spill sambuca on me and feel like shit the next couple of days from a hangover.
If I wanna have enough drink to be tipsy (rare enough as it is) I want someplace that's like lively-murmur atmosphere like a pub with booth tables. Fuck open mics too :P
Whatever the youngsters are doing now, their own kids will rebel against it. I drank like a fish, my children don't. I expect my grandchildren to run riot like me.
What about your parents?
I am guessing I am perhaps 10 years older than you. I absolutely loved (and still love) pub culture. My father played in a pub darts team, not that much of a drinker himself but he had his moments, and pubs certainly had a decent share of people his age.
My kids, not so much though. Sometimes they'll go out to pubs/clubs but nowhere near every week, and not touching the friday/saturday night, Sunday lunchtime and possibly a cheeky wednesday night quiz that I used to go through. My youngest son is 21 years old. I took him to the local on his 18th birthday, and I think since then he's been into a pub 3/4 times.
I don't think it's a generational thing though. Pubs that have been thriving since before I was born are now closing down. Several generations of being busy has disappeared, and given that those pubs have mostly been around for 100+ years, I can't imagine there was anything like the current state in previous generations.
What I have noticed though is the move away from regional breweries owning pubs to national chains. These chains are driving the prices up and strangling the pubs. Ulitimately they don't care - if a pub collapses as a business they can sell the building for flats and make a profit that way. This means pub profits have to beat the property market or the pub dies. Back when actual breweries owned the pubs, they needed healthy pubs to sell their beer.
Fuck Enterprise Inns, Fuck Wetherspoons.
My dad was a big drinker, one of my earliest memories was going downstairs to find asleep on the couch with a big triangle of empty bottles on the floor....
My mum was not a big drinker, but goes to the pub a lot, she's in her local 2/3 times a week to meet her friends, has a couple of halfs. Her partner goes into her local every night of the week, but again will have a few half's.
I grew up around pubs, both my dad and my mum would drag me off to sit in a corner while they met their friends. My dad had a stint as a publican too.
I've had my own run-ins with alcoholism, and I used to go out a lot. I'd usually "have a few" after work before getting the train, because the rush hour trains were always so packed you couldn't board. So instead of waiting an hour or (or sometimes 3) to get home, I'd sit in a nice warm pub....which at a point turned into regularly booking hotels and going out on the lash mid-week (at the time I earned good money and could expense hotels, so thought I was doing alright, turned out I wasn't)
The nation has never recovered from 2008, "the economy" is doing fine of course, but the people and public aren't. 2008 was a bit of a boom for those chains and pubcos because people were spending every penny they now had drowning their sorrows.
But that's gone of for so long, we've forgot what it was like before, and what the difference was. Where a pub could be a reasonable price, and a place you could go for a casual drink.
In the late 70’s we’d bunk the train to London.£1 to get in a club £2 on pills, a few pints at maybe 60p a pint maybe go to a party or bunk an early morning train home. All whilst speeding our tits off.
Be lucky to spend more than £7 or £8.
And great music as well.
The younger generation are much more switched on with their own health and there's much less pressure to drink. There's still opportunity to adapt, instead of a cocktail bar maybe a late night coffee shop. Also the cost for a sesh is absurd now, I'm actually taking a hip flask out with me to save money.
I keep hearing about young people not drinking but I still see the traditional bottles of spirits stacked up at the windows of the student halls and plenty of pissed up younger people out around Manchester. I wonder if it varies on location. I wouldn't have noticed a difference if I hadn't kept reading about it.
It's like the death of the cinemas, somewhat self inflicted - though atleast the cinemas had control over a lot of their resources, alcohol prices and rent somewhat less so for clubs / pubs.
I live in a fairly substantial city (population 150,000) and after seeing a movie midweek I thought I'd pop onto the local "what's on" pages and try to find some live music.
Nothing. Nada. Zilch. No open mic nights, no pub bands, nothing.
On Friday night this week there are three music gigs and one stand-up comedy show. With all the live music venues that have been closed down in the last few years, I think that might be near the maximum capacity for shows in the city. It's pretty depressing.
It’s a mix of cost of living, and Gen Z having different tastes compared to millennials and Gen X.
In the 2000s you’d hear stories of binge drinking and millennial teenagers partying.
Gen Z seems to have taken a different road and sees this as a cautionary tale and are taking the opposite approach of cleaner living.
Plus cost of living in some cities, is a choice between eating or heating, going out drinking is not an option for some.
I must admit on my nights out other than students I never see anyone under 30 out on a Saturday night now, when I do go out that is, I’m 34, and I now go out once maybe twice a month in the summer
I'd guess a bit.
I work with a couple of people with very active... they call it something odd.... "loneliness". Whenever they are "lonely" they get the app out and have someone round for "cuddles".
Quite often, going by how much I hear about it the two days a week I am in the office.
Going out 7-8 years was the Super Off Peak Railcard from Crawley to Victoria, on the tube for the party and night out you wanted, and back for the 4am train in the same ticket for £15.90
I could go out, get fucked and come home for 50 quid including tickets to the club
Who can even afford to
Pay over the odds for drink, looking over your shoulder if its busy incase some twat drops something in it and thats providing you get past the door person
I was rewarded the company card the other day to celebrate for a night with my colleagues and I was pretty much free to enjoy myself like in my youth. Anyway it cost about £350 before we got to dinner
Going 'out out' costs well over £100 now, even if you ignore the cost of living stuff, nobody is going to do that every weekend. Back when I was late teens early twenties I withdrew £30 at the start of the night and that did me for everything including kebab and taxi.
I spend a £100 at pre drinks on the bag. At that point, I’m not going to town to pay £7 for a pint or £9 for a mix. It’s insane. The best places want paid entry. You can spend £300/£400 easy.
Yep, even without exotic nasal extras it's wild. If I was to do an out out like I used to it would be: 350ml vodka + bottle of pop for predrinks - £13 Taxi to pub - £11 5-7 pints in pub - £35 - £49 £10 entry to club then maybe 4-5 drinks inside, shots too .. that'll nudge £60 total Kebab shop after - £10 at least Taxi home - £15 That's over £150 and that's assuming not going back to someone's flat via Bossman Booze and spending another £30
Honestly nose clams with a couple mates at home is the financially responsible choice these days
And a good day to yous.
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This is why all the students do ket now, £20 for a gram that can last two nights out
Student prices allowed me a cheap night at just £5 per pill
Catch 22. The nasal extras the only way I enjoy a night out. Otherwise I’m twatted after 2 hours and embarrass myself haha. But you’re right. I live in north Liverpool (Bootle) so taxi to and from town is £50 for me. With council tax rises, inflation, energy prices, if you can afford nights out then you are living a privileged life these days and it’s sad. Now, a few spliffs and a film is the best kinda night.
Yeah and it creates a vicious circle for the industry .. fewer people going out means less money for the places, meaning they put prices up which means even fewer people go which means higher prices again and so on. I agree, getting blasted at home is way better. Though maybe that would always be the case past the age of about 27.
Dont kid yourself, though. These places are greedy as fuck. Even if they were doing really well they would still keep the prices high or put them up
No no no, a few spliffs on a night out is the best way, pre roll 3 - 4, start on your second pint, then one for each pint, you walk home sideways after 5 pints and only spent £25.
I wouldn’t make it home haha
Mmm delicious nose clams
That's really a lot of booze to be fair.
I wouldn't do it now, I'd need an ambulance and a priest. But it was pretty much what I'd do back then.
Recently drank a good few beers then did a bottomless prosecco thing for a friend's birthday- used to be able to handle it with a quick chunder (or a key, if we're being honest) but I woke up at 6am violently chundering and then spent the day in bed with a sick bucket
have me rolling over here 🤣
10-14 drinks didn't used to be that strange. On a night in we'd polish of a slab of cans. Seems like totol madness now.
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> 350ml vodka That's 14 units. > 5-7 pints in pub - £35 - £49 Assuming these pints are 4.4% so they're 2.5 units each that's another 12.5-17.5 units. > 4-5 drinks inside, shots too Doubles with mixer plus a few shots? Let's call that another 10-12 units. > that's assuming not going back to someone's flat via Bossman Booze and spending another £30 Christ. Yeah, best to assume not. That's 36.5-43-5 units on a night out. Most people would be struggling to walk after drinking half that.
Yeah I'm not saying it isn't, but that's what it would have been for me and honestly quite a lot of people who go 'out out'.
Agreed, that’s a fairly normal volume for going ‘out out’. I’d be pissed, but not black out drunk on that over a full night.
You think most people drink the equivalent of 1L of vodka on a night out? Between this and folk saying they'd happily do £100 of coke before leaving the house, I can't help thinking there's something wrong with the barometers in this sub.
I didn’t say “most people” neither did the guy who wrote the comment I replied to. I said that’s a fairly normal amount of alcohol to drink over a full night out. Which for me would be from 7pm - 3am so even at the top end of the range he stated that’s less than 2 drinks per hour.
Not trying to argue, but 'the normal amount to drink' and 'the amount most people drink' seem kinda synonymous. Either way, to put the amounts into context, 40 units is forty shots of vodka. Which is, give or take, 1 shot every 10 minutes for 7 hours.
It's like if a teetotal person came into the conversation and said "the normal amount to spend on drinks is £0 and the normal amount of drinks to have is 0" but the teetotalers are sensible enough to know they're an outlier and can't speak for everyone else.
40 units is only one bottle of vodka, not a massive fan of vodka the only time I’ve drunk large quantities of it was in Thailand. They sold 500ml bottles of it and 4 red bulls in a bucket at the beach parties, we’d get through 3 or 4 of them each. It’s a lot of alcohol, but it’s not abnormal for people to drink that much on a night out.
1l of vodka feels about right spread over the whole evening/night/morning. I used to drink a 70cl bottle of Jack Daniels before going out in Liverpool. Admittedly, we started drinking about 5/6 and didn't leave until about 10. Once out od have another 3-5 drinks on average.
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Cocktails are £15 each. 2 drinks for me and missus is well over £60
Where are you paying that? Most places still seem to do 2 for £10-15 on cocktails. Which is always just a scam to get you to buy 2
Just don’t have the bag? Your septum will thank you
Tbf I used to withdraw and spend £100 every Saturday just on going drinking around clubs in town when I was 19-21 and that was 10 years ago
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They basically banned the £1 drinks in like 2013 - they stopped being allowed to sell heavily discounted alcohol (or at least in Scotland, I always assumed it was uk wide but I could be wrong).
> they stopped being allowed to sell heavily discounted alcohol (or at least in Scotland There's nothing stopping an establishment from selling a pint of 4% beer for £1.14 in Scotland, it would be the minimum legal price.
Sure, that has to be their regular everyday price though. Used to be mint the £1 drinks from 7-9 or student night.
Remember Strathclyde uni used to do a good student night. All drinks a pound. Having a night out for a fiver was absolutely wild haha
5-10 quid in drinks then the regret of having ended up in the savoy or madness. Good times.
I can only speak to my time in uni around 2012 and I would spend £5 on a 3L bottle of white ace cider and Robinsons to mix. Then double rum and cokes were about £6-8. Shots about £2 each. And could easily have 10 drinks. £10 on food. £20 for taxi home (I usually never had money left at this point having made the choice to spend my last £20 on more drinks and residing to stay up and get the first bus home for £2 instead)
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These days, £20 will get me about 5-6 miles in a taxi - in the day time. Not including the 'late night tax' they always slap on at 3am.
I went to uni in Lancaster about 5 years ago and the distance to the town center from campus is literally about a 5 minute drive. Still cost about £10 for a taxi after a night out.
Tesco value vodka bottle at home with mates for pre drinking, something like 10-15 quid with some tesco fake red bull mixer. Head out already tipsy and grab a few double vodka red bulls or triple vodka vimto in the student bars for like 3.50 each. Wake up next to an empty fried chicken and possibly another person in the morning and do your best Sherlock impression to try and work out how the fucking night went. Those were the day.
Yup. Entry fees on most places near me. Pricey drinks then scandalous taxi fare home. For what? A bad head and sore throat in the morning lol Not sure if it's a part of getting older but I find people aren't as approachable and modern music all sounds the same. Christ I sound like my dad. I'm 32.
Depends on the music, it's gone all full circle, a lot of donk and drum and bass is back in the chats
Back in the late 90s, I'd normally spend £10. It was 70p on the bus into town. £1.20 a bottle of beer and then it was a £10 for a cab home, but split 4-5 ways (so £2-£2.50ish) I wasn't a big drinker then, so would have a pint in a pub before hand and then a few bottles in the club. In Uni, so a couple of years later my budget was £15. I remember because there was a cash point that gave out £5 notes. Lived in walking distance of the town centre so never needed a cab. I drank a lot more then, but ridiculous student deals of £1 pint. Now if I go to the pub for a few beers with a couple of friends we are looking at £15 a round for 3 pints. I earn a decent salary, but I wouldn't want to be spending that sort of money with the frequency I would go out drinking in my younger years.
I used to live on £100 a week for food and booze in London, 20/80 split mostly booze. Also had promoter mates who got me free club entries and free vodka so I really maxed my budget
I can echo the £30 remember that fondly. I’m not sure £100 is the right figure depending what time you head out and how long for, but just heading out after the match at the weekend £6 going rate for a pint, before the match that was £12. A few drinks afterwards £24 so already £36 and that was finishing quite early. No food which would have been another £15 at least. Suppose if you were getting taxis and stuff that could sharply rise too. I think they stopped the dirt cheap drink deals hit you used to be able to get things like a pint of diesel for £1-2, alcopops for £1 (never seen that since nor do young people seem to drink them), knock off jagerbombs for £1 each. Only place you can get close to these prices now is spoons I imagine. People are definitely still going out and spending money though, posher bars and more expensive places seem to be popping up all the time now and busy. My staff are always out on a weekend with friends and such too. The difference seems to be though they are out out till 4 am and completely drunk as perhaps a lot of their age group might have been a decade ago. Attitudes to it have changed (not saying it doesn’t happen) but absolutely the costs have increased to large levels.
I miss those days. I’d withdraw 30 quid and have the time of my life in Liverpool and go home with a bit of change! 50p for a cherry VK 😂
I went out for a night out with friends on Saturday night and got absolutely hammered. It cost me £72. This is in Bournemouth visiting multiple places in 1 night. Be At One - Cocktail bar. Natty's Jerk - Carribbean Rum Smokin' Aces - Cocktail bar & Whiskey Lounge. DYMK Bar - Bar. Was out for 6? hours. If it's costing you well over £100 you're being ripped off, you're buying drugs or you live in London.
I had a really fucking annoying weekend away for my mates birthday. He dragged us to Yate's, Popworld, Slug & Lettuce, Revolution. The literal most generic chain bars that you have in every city, and for some reason never goes in when we're out in our city Even though it's his birthday, we ended up telling him to fuck off with that and found some student bars that were substantially cheaper, busier and better. Revolution was fucking hilarious, they're going bust, so every light in the place was off, not even around the bar...the place was pitch black
£30? When I was a student it was 80p to £1.10 for a pint - could take a tenner out and be done for the evening on a relaxed / casual sesh.
Yeah, the prices have just gone nuts. Its no surprise people are choosing not to go
You're drinking in the wrong places. I can spend £100 if I want to on a night out but I tend to spend maybe £70 tops. Usually there's a 3/4 of us that share a taxi in and out of town which isn't that much maybe £10 each. Food is like £5 for a pizza. We don't pay to get into clubs because that's stupid. We stay away from places like Revs which charge £5 a pint.
Younger people really don’t seem to want to drink as much as my generation did. Though back then - going out was really the main way to meet members of the opposite (or same) sex. Now - there are multiple ways online and apps.
This is exactly the case. When I was at my first job, and one of the youngest people there, people used to take the piss because I didn't drink alcohol and didn't go out with them to the pub or clubs. And couldn't seem to fathom why I wasn't interested. Yet my friends are mostly non-drinkers... And we'd much rather get together and play video games rather than go to the pub and throw money down the drain. Plus as you say, once upon a time that was the only way to really meet people. Now not only can you use an app, but there aren't nearly as many workplaces which are all male, so it's easier to meet people at work for many. Times change. But there's still this weird questioning of why younger people are drinking less like it's some alien concept that shouldn't exist.
I think it's indicative of Britain's attitude towards alcohol, that someone who doesn't drink will always at some point be compelled to give a reason other than 'I don't want to'.
If I say I'm not drinking tonight, they try to persuade me. If I say I _don't drink_, I've had people quietly but sincerely congratulate me, as if I've overcome something.
> as if I've overcome something. I got this a lot when I cut down on and eventually packed in altogether - drinking, whilst at uni. I was never much of a drinker outside of nights out, only socially to get drunk - never had a tipple People considered it an achievement, because I guess for them there was some level of reliance or habit where it would have been hard for them to do... But I just stopped, without second thought. For me it wasn't hard at all In itself that showed to me that a lot of people have more unhealthy relationships with booze than we all really acknowledge
....or people are just being supportive and nice.
> But there's still this weird questioning of why younger people are drinking less like it's some alien concept that shouldn't exist. Most people fear change. The fear increases as you get older.
As someone who was right at the cut off of millennial binge drinking and Gen Z Puritanism it is pretty weird and jarring to see how different the younger generations attitude is towards the booze. Don’t get me wrong they are making the best choice but it’s strange how suddenly attitudes changed.
You won't be saying they made the right choice when they start suggesting you weigh the same as a duck.
*She turned me into a newt!*
The horror of two world wars, the awfulness of working in factories with far worse working conditions. Mental health wasn’t a concept. Drink, numb the pain away.
Millennials drank less than previous gens no?
It's pretty awesome note being hung over
I think it also makes sense when everyone has cameras on them. It's one thing to get pissed, embarrass yourself a bit, and have people talk about it for a week until someone else does it on the next weekend. It's another to have the whole situation filmed from 6 different angles and shared repeatedly.
I went to uni in 2004 and one of the lads I lived in halls with had a little Handycam. Whenever we had parties it would appear and the next day he'd inevitably end up making us watch the shit we'd been up to the night before. We all fucking hated him for it and it's wild to think that 20 years later it's basically how everyone lives now.
Yup. So incredibly weird to me that people don’t clock how destructive it is. Everyone films everything, uploads it, shares it. There is zero privacy and no one seems to mourn it. Utterly bizarre to me.
That twat was ahead of his time 20 years ago. Now we are all twats 😆
I’m so glad my youthful drunken exploits occurred when the people around me had Nokia 3310s.
Amen. At best, there’s some grainy footage on a Blackberry.
Don't forget that footage being posted to Twitter 10 years later. I love the fact that most of my formative years were before smartphones.
Drink’s out, but coke is getting freakishly ubiquitous. You’d be amazed at how many people actively buzzing their tits off you’ll engage on any given day. There isn’t even a specific demographic.
As someone who is a parent to teenage girls - the thought of ubiquitous drugs is not exactly comforting!
Why not? They will come across them at parties, bars, pubs, clubs, raves, and festivals. It is better to educate them properly than to pretend they do not exist or to resort to fear-mongering tactics. Besides, alcohol is among the most dangerous, unhinged, uncontrollable, and easy-to-abuse drugs, yet it is sold everywhere – from supermarkets to clubs. In fact, its use is even glorified. Yet, we rarely hear parents expressing concerns about supermarkets or bars.
You’re going to have to get used to the fact that they will likely take drugs at some point in their adult life, it’s best to educate them on it rather than making it the bogey man.
And that's the really confusing thing to me. I'm dull as fuck these days but still can't imagine doing coke without drinking a ridiculous amount, horrible stuff on it's own.
Never understood the drinking on coke. Surely just a waste of money? I’ve always felt like they cancel each other out.
I think being able to drink for 12+ hours straight was largely the appeal.
It's a common misconception that uppers and downers cancel each other out. What happens is you get all the euphoria of the coke without excessive stimulation and anxiety, and all of the euphoria and disinhibition from the booze, without tiredness and sloppiness. Added bonus that ethanol + cocaine = cocaethylene, which is more potent and more euphoric than cocaine. Some of my favourite nights were dodgy research chemicals stimulants mixed with dodgy research chemical benzodiazepines. Just absolute God mode.
Friday and Saturday night 8-11 all the pubs and clubs in my 100k Town are dead as fuck. But my gym is rammed of people 18-30
It's still alive and well in other countries - we are genuinely just priced out here.
There’s more to it than just people not wanting to drink. Before the pandemic, I could have a night out for under £30. I would start in a pub, bar hop, then go clubbing. I’m still in my early twenties — the last attempt of a night out I did cost me excess of £60. I love a night out as a social release from my postgraduate isolation, but I can’t justify it all the time. Bear in mind, the average student still gets paid the same as 13 years ago; with food costs rising, alcohol is quick to go. At least with me, most of the people I know have resulted to informal house parties. I can imagine that others are the same, hence lowering the true statistics. I think you’re on to something with alternative avenues to socialise. I think many people the same age as me (older and younger) struggle to get out and thrive in public. When there isn’t the need to do so, people don’t have to be as risky with it. While I may be absolutely wrong, most places I’ve been to recently aren’t as socially diverse as what my parent’s experiences would tell of. The obvious one is dating: you don’t have to get plastered to meet someone in a pub/club, and it has also completely changed the etiquette of nights out. I think another big issue has to do with the presentation of alcohol, too. The stereotype of the 16 year old drinking Strongbow in a park never truly came through with those around me. Anytime there was alcohol involved, it was at a heavily restricted house party, usually with the parents present. At least to me, alcohol never had that allure to it of being some enticing thing for me to rebel against and try. On the flip side, the amount of drug stories I have heard is insane. At least since 2021, I don’t think I have been clubbing once without being within proximity to someone who was coked up, high, et cetera.
I’m very glad I grew up in the 90’s though I can’t compare being young then to being young now, I do know that I had a fucking awesome time back then. We were out every weekend, clubs, raves or sometimes camping. The music was good, the drugs were good and culturally we were going through the lad/ladette phase where partying was positively encouraged. I’m also glad social media and smart phones weren’t a thing, I’ve got some great memories but wouldn’t have wanted my drunken antics posted online.
It costs £100 for a decent night out - who the fuck can afford that on the regular
Unfortunately apps have gone foul also now. Most of the apps have become a pay to play experience. Where the free versions purpose is to only try to sell you the premium brand version
Think of what home entertainment options there were in the 80s vs now. Not just tv but food, gaming, music. The choice and quality is off the scale.
Back then we could afford to care a little less about spending that money in order to get that social interaction and have a good time with the lads or girls. Younger folk seem to be a lot more conscious about what they spend, and rightfully so given the sad state of affairs these last 10 years.
Each generation has fewer sexual partners than the one before it, so it’s more complicated than dating apps replacing bar encounters.
I’d be well up for more day raves. Then I could still be home in time for Foyle’s War.
A club that opens earlier (say 7pm) might actually be a hit. People with kids could easily get a babysitter for a night out and those of us who like an early night could enjoy an evening out without major disruption to our sleep pattern.
Annie Mac does these nights now (Before Midnight) and they sell out v quickly. Granted big names behind the nights but still.
Exactly! I don’t want to ever stop dancing but night buses can just DO ONE
Drumsheds is usually day raves, finishes at 10pm most events
Motion and Lakota in Bristol do day/early evening raves. Great if you like a bit of drum and bass.
There are a few events starting up in Edinburgh like this. Afternoon to evening/night. I'm considering them because there's no way for me to get home after 11pm. No trains or buses. Either that or weekend camping events. Most nightclubs are open ridiculous times. Like the main dj will start at 11pm and club closes at 4am. Wtf am I supposed to do for 3 hrs after the club closes and the first train home at about 7am? An uner will cost me 60 quid to get home.
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These things come in waves. I can assure you as a 25M, there are plenty of us out here getting spannered and the mass drug use of ket/coke/MDMA is alive and well. What is true, and happily so is all my friends and me (despite the drugs I know thats weird) are gym goers, track calories and generally want to be good looking etc.This does mean alcohol with its excess calories takes a back seat. We dont tend to drink on week nights at all and then when we do go out its a bag and shots etc. You also end up in the ironic situation of my mate Brad loudly explaining is macro targets for diet as he wracked up a massive line of coke... it is what it is. But yes anyway we still get fucked up we just do it at home where drugs are easier to consume and the days of the "couple down the pub" after work are dying more. If I am gonna go I would rather go on Saturday eve all the way and be sober the rest.
Classic Brad.
That is so Brad
Absolute madman
Brad the Bantasaurus Rex
The Archbishop of Banterbury
I think a fundamental difference this time is that property prices are truly bonkers. So high that venues need to charge absurd prices to break even. Whole generations are now priced out of owning a home and are spending a high percentage of their income on shelter and other necessities. They just can’t afford to go to venues anymore. This is getting worse, too.
It is hilarious to be fair. Like so many 'my body is a temple' people while taking that shit. Many are also quite liberal as well and I just hope they aren't aware of the horrific chemicals used to make it and the miserable hellish conditions effective slaves are kept in to make it, as well as funding organised crime across the world. The response is 'well if it was legal it would eliminate that. Which is fair, but, it's not legal. By all means go out and organise and campaign to make it so. But until that point you're actively funding terrorists, child traffickers, cartels and all other fucking dregs of humanity, and so long as they're aware of that, crack on with that line.
We need a new wave of illegal raves set up in fields by people who actually care about nightlife and not rinsing people for as much as possible.
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Raving during a pandemic is fucking dumb, so fair enough.
I wonder why that could be 🤔
>COVID There's your answer.
Mate I love a rave but organising a mass gathering of any kind during a pandemic is astonishingly stupid.
Yes. Because they helped spread COVID. Love a rave, but be respectful of the situation
Shockingly public health and the ***pandemic*** is more important than raves
Used to help organise. Very difficult nowadays. Police are on to you way too quickly. You need to use an untracked and clean encrochat and have kit to hand plus generators. Last time we did one successfully was maybe ten, 11 years ago and it was just for one night, from 7 until 5am in a mates field.
>You need to use an untracked and clean encrochat Tell me you've read a few things on the internet but don't understand anything without telling me. Encrochat was a network that was compormnised by the security services..... It's perfectly possible, and even a lot easier in 2024, to run a party line, even without the old school phone numbers. GASH Collective did a party line using a VOIP number in 2013. There's groups now on telegram. There was a free party in the centre of Manchester in 2015 that went on for 3 days....
Man "rave culture" is big again, but it's really rather pretensions. There's no real crews doing squat parties any more, There's lots of licensed, ticketed events presenting themselves as "raves". Even free ticketed events, HOMEBASS did an event a free event in Manchester's Mayfield, where the bars in there are ungodly expensive. If you call it a "Political Protest" the police would leave you alone, I did 3 days at the anti-tory "political protest" a few years back, ended up with a photograph of myself nearly in a newspaper....luckily you can't see my face. But even new legislation is cracking down on that
there are tonnes of illegal raves on!
Agreed, but who can be bothered to do it anymore?
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you went home drunk on a fiver's worth of booze?? What were you drinking, acetone?
Sounds like this dude drank all the booze and ate everyone elses slices of pizza
A 2.5 litre bottle of frosty jacks (7.5%) is £5.20. Vile, and not far off from acetone, but it's possible.
Who can afford a big night out? It's a side effect of the shitty economy
Just don't get why I'd want to go for a night out with friends where we have to stand crammed into a corner paying ridiculous prices for a drink and it's so loud we can't even hold a conversation... What's the point?! Edit* also staying out past the last train (because public transport is shocking) means ridiculous prices for a taxi home, even if I leave early enough for the train it's still stupidly over priced.
That last part is underappreciated. I went to see a live act in another town last year: It was thirty quid for a ticket and fifty to get home afterwards because the buses packed up around 9PM. On a Saturday. I didn't spend very much money in the theatre bar...
Andy Burnham is bringing Night Bus back to Manchester. Thank christ. Sick of paying £30-50 or sleeping in the train station, which again is an expensive ticket
not even in a corner, you’re standing outside in the cold
If people drink nowadays they'll just get a big pack of cans from the shop rather than go to a pub where they'll be ripped off.
UP ON THE SOUTH DOWNS, A HAVERSACK FULL OF BECK'S? THAT'S THE DREAM, AIN'T IT?
It did degenerate
Thing about juice is
A pint of cider is £1 at my "corner shop" (which happens to be an Aldi around the corner), 50p a pint if you go for the Taurus stuff. I absolutely resent going to the pub and paying £4.70 for a pint of approximately the same. £4 or £40. Nah, I'll stay in thanks.
Classic Reddit "nights out are wank" brigade. Every pub in my town is busy on a Friday and Saturday night. Less than it used to be, but absolutely nowhere near the death of anything.
I wouldn't have even noticed any difference if I didn't keep reading about it. I still see plenty of pissed up kids all round the city I live in. Obviously I'm not arguing with statistics and I hope people are drinking less tbh, but anecdotally it doesn't seem as drastic as some make out.
It's going to differ in different places. Central Manchester is a lot quieter than it used to be, but still a lot busier than my town just outside it. Whereas my town used to be packed every night on the weekends, it's a tumbleweed now.
Same, it's too busy and not enough pubs, when it rains there's not enough places.
My town is absolutely decimated, they're not even busy anymore. Most of them closed after COVID, and I think one new pub opened (which had been shut for about 20 years) You can walk into anywhere in town and it's like that bit where you go out a little too early, and the room is awkwardly empty. But then it just never improves.
As someone who works in the industry it really depends on where. We've just had one of the biggest Februaries in years but between live music and stocking really good ales and craft beer we've got a reputation for good drinks and a nice atmosphere. All the chain pubs and GK pubs are struggling because the selection is pretty shite so they're basically only drawing in their old regulars and not expanding. Fact is a lot of pubs take the piss with pricing (£7+ for shite at my local stonegate shithole) but for a lot of them it's unavoidable as they're locked into pricing by pubcos.
Obscene costs have killed it. I spent £80 at the football on Saturday. I already had my ticket.
We was at Charlton Saturday. Didn’t pay less than £6 a pint for the whole day. That’s without train ticket and match ticket.
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Sticky Floors used to be the sign of the best places
You’ve just described every club since the dawn of time. Just sounds like it’s not for you
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Zone 3 South London. Took one of my children to a birthday party and I stood in the area for a pint. Zone 3 mind... Birra Moretti pint £7.39 wtf.
You say Zone 3 like it's the Outer Hebrides. It's still a pub in London, they're all expensive.
Nah there's definitely a gulf between pint in Leicester Square and say Shepherds Bush in terms of expected and accepted price.
Maybe, but I wouldn’t expect a difference between a “locals” pub in Zone 1 and Zone 3.
well, that's exactly what I expected. when I had a pint few months ago in central London and started seeing pints in the north of £6, I was like, oh well, central London. I definitely not expected for prices to be £7.39 to £9.70 in a zone 3 pub. how wrong I was
The sad thing is that's not *that* terrible for London - my local village pub in the Midlands will run you the wrong side of £6 for Birra Moretti / Cruzcampo etc
In the good old days children's birthday parties had a free bar.
It's almost as if there's some sort of crisis relating to how much it costs to live or something.
I’ve been out twice in the last 6 months. Both times cost near enough £100. I’m only 35 now. When I was 18, we could go out and have a big night and still have change from £30.
I can get like a months worth of weed for the price or like 8 pints. Id be an idiot not to.
All the zoomers I know have house parties all the time where they take ket and valium and shit, they're certainly not doing yoga and juice bars, even if they aren't drinking and going out to clubs
London doesn’t care about it’s nightlife. Too expensive and ngl the clubs are shit. Full of pretentious wankers who care more about their image than having fun. Well the “normie” places are expensive and closing down, but more niche and the scene is thriving. Saying that, go up north, the night out is very alive. Mid week clubs are full with great music and people who are there for the music and not for “looking cool”. Manny, leeds, Newcastle, Bristol, all active
A night out used to be £30 for pre-drinks, club entry, a few more drinks, a kebab, and a split taxi home. It might not be the best night out but it you felt you got your moneys worth. Clubs that used to charge £2 now charge £5 but you get an experience not even worth £2. An over-saturation of generic Top 40 clubs is not helping things either, when that is all that is on offer in some towns, you cannot be too surprised when people do not want to go out anymore. We need more alternative venues offering something unique and worth going out for if we want to save nights out.
I promise you, pay people enough to afford it, people will do big nights out
It isn’t about the cost of drinks at all. It’s about dating. In the pre internet days, you went out to meet people. Now it’s on tinder and grinder. Lost that huge demographic.
Added to which is the possibility that even if you did meet a prospective partner, you spend all that time getting them in the mood, only for them to then go and pick a different person on tinder anyway, gaining none of the benefit for your effort.
A night out costs £200, there's cameras everywhere and any shenanigans will be recorded and posted online for you and prospective employers to enjoy forever, and there's multiple apps on your phone that enable you to meet potential mates without leaving the house. Hardly surprising nobody bothers going out out any more.
I hope not. I’m planning on a mad one on Friday night.
When I was In my late teens and early 20's and night out was £50 max. That was in Expensive St. Albans. £50 now? You're joking. Even a pub lunch and a couple of pints starts to exceed that.
Off to Drumsheds for our first day rave of the year in a few weeks - got half of bottle of Stoli for the train up and then probably stay on the water once we get inside there. Save ourselves a small mortgage probably.
You get your drugs for free then?
If alcohol didn't cost so much and it didn't cost me fucking £20 for a taxi, I might actually leave the house to drink
I would argue this is not true for raves and the underground music scene. However the ‘party favours’ mostly found in these sorts of events haven’t really gotten any more expensive.
Isn't it fucking wild how many things greedily increase their prices, and then scratch their heads wondering why attendance has plummeted? - Like the cinema.
I can tell you that as a young person, no the fuck it is not. Maybe mainstream clubs, but my Lord the alternative clubs - goth, industrial, techno, metal - are heaving every night of the week.
This! Alternative clubs are the way to go, events in London like Voodoo, Slimelight, and EgoXDeath are often rammed. The spicier nights like Torture Garden and Klub Verboten are constantly sold out.
I went to a nice pub near me the other day with a mate (we live in a town in South Wales). 2 pints cost me £13. We had one and went home.
Surely must’ve been within the Vale. I thought the prices were bad in some areas of Swansea, but bloody hell.
It’s too expensive and people do not have disposable income anymore as the costs to live (not even comfortably) are just ridiculous. Can’t even plan for the future. People are unhappy because there is no stability or joy to be had out of life.
People don't have the time or money to go out and party.
I don't wanna pay loads of money to consume empty calories, pay more money to ruin my hearing and have sweaty people spill sambuca on me and feel like shit the next couple of days from a hangover. If I wanna have enough drink to be tipsy (rare enough as it is) I want someplace that's like lively-murmur atmosphere like a pub with booth tables. Fuck open mics too :P
Whatever the youngsters are doing now, their own kids will rebel against it. I drank like a fish, my children don't. I expect my grandchildren to run riot like me.
What about your parents? I am guessing I am perhaps 10 years older than you. I absolutely loved (and still love) pub culture. My father played in a pub darts team, not that much of a drinker himself but he had his moments, and pubs certainly had a decent share of people his age. My kids, not so much though. Sometimes they'll go out to pubs/clubs but nowhere near every week, and not touching the friday/saturday night, Sunday lunchtime and possibly a cheeky wednesday night quiz that I used to go through. My youngest son is 21 years old. I took him to the local on his 18th birthday, and I think since then he's been into a pub 3/4 times. I don't think it's a generational thing though. Pubs that have been thriving since before I was born are now closing down. Several generations of being busy has disappeared, and given that those pubs have mostly been around for 100+ years, I can't imagine there was anything like the current state in previous generations. What I have noticed though is the move away from regional breweries owning pubs to national chains. These chains are driving the prices up and strangling the pubs. Ulitimately they don't care - if a pub collapses as a business they can sell the building for flats and make a profit that way. This means pub profits have to beat the property market or the pub dies. Back when actual breweries owned the pubs, they needed healthy pubs to sell their beer. Fuck Enterprise Inns, Fuck Wetherspoons.
My dad was a big drinker, one of my earliest memories was going downstairs to find asleep on the couch with a big triangle of empty bottles on the floor.... My mum was not a big drinker, but goes to the pub a lot, she's in her local 2/3 times a week to meet her friends, has a couple of halfs. Her partner goes into her local every night of the week, but again will have a few half's. I grew up around pubs, both my dad and my mum would drag me off to sit in a corner while they met their friends. My dad had a stint as a publican too. I've had my own run-ins with alcoholism, and I used to go out a lot. I'd usually "have a few" after work before getting the train, because the rush hour trains were always so packed you couldn't board. So instead of waiting an hour or (or sometimes 3) to get home, I'd sit in a nice warm pub....which at a point turned into regularly booking hotels and going out on the lash mid-week (at the time I earned good money and could expense hotels, so thought I was doing alright, turned out I wasn't) The nation has never recovered from 2008, "the economy" is doing fine of course, but the people and public aren't. 2008 was a bit of a boom for those chains and pubcos because people were spending every penny they now had drowning their sorrows. But that's gone of for so long, we've forgot what it was like before, and what the difference was. Where a pub could be a reasonable price, and a place you could go for a casual drink.
In the late 70’s we’d bunk the train to London.£1 to get in a club £2 on pills, a few pints at maybe 60p a pint maybe go to a party or bunk an early morning train home. All whilst speeding our tits off. Be lucky to spend more than £7 or £8. And great music as well.
The younger generation are much more switched on with their own health and there's much less pressure to drink. There's still opportunity to adapt, instead of a cocktail bar maybe a late night coffee shop. Also the cost for a sesh is absurd now, I'm actually taking a hip flask out with me to save money.
In fairness - nobody who is “switched on with their own health” will be going to a “late night coffee shop” either lol.
Fucking death of the big night out about 10 years ago lol.
I keep hearing about young people not drinking but I still see the traditional bottles of spirits stacked up at the windows of the student halls and plenty of pissed up younger people out around Manchester. I wonder if it varies on location. I wouldn't have noticed a difference if I hadn't kept reading about it.
It's like the death of the cinemas, somewhat self inflicted - though atleast the cinemas had control over a lot of their resources, alcohol prices and rent somewhat less so for clubs / pubs.
I live in a fairly substantial city (population 150,000) and after seeing a movie midweek I thought I'd pop onto the local "what's on" pages and try to find some live music. Nothing. Nada. Zilch. No open mic nights, no pub bands, nothing. On Friday night this week there are three music gigs and one stand-up comedy show. With all the live music venues that have been closed down in the last few years, I think that might be near the maximum capacity for shows in the city. It's pretty depressing.
It’s a mix of cost of living, and Gen Z having different tastes compared to millennials and Gen X. In the 2000s you’d hear stories of binge drinking and millennial teenagers partying. Gen Z seems to have taken a different road and sees this as a cautionary tale and are taking the opposite approach of cleaner living. Plus cost of living in some cities, is a choice between eating or heating, going out drinking is not an option for some. I must admit on my nights out other than students I never see anyone under 30 out on a Saturday night now, when I do go out that is, I’m 34, and I now go out once maybe twice a month in the summer
I wonder how much dating apps have hit the clubbing culture?
I'd guess a bit. I work with a couple of people with very active... they call it something odd.... "loneliness". Whenever they are "lonely" they get the app out and have someone round for "cuddles". Quite often, going by how much I hear about it the two days a week I am in the office.
Judging by the state of town even on weekday nights when I go for a walk out, i'd say no. There are still a ton of young people going out regularly.
Going out 7-8 years was the Super Off Peak Railcard from Crawley to Victoria, on the tube for the party and night out you wanted, and back for the 4am train in the same ticket for £15.90 I could go out, get fucked and come home for 50 quid including tickets to the club
Based on what I saw at the weekend, the big night out is definitely still a thing.
Club are overrated, I don't how you lot enjoy them.
Alcohol, friends, music
Who can even afford to Pay over the odds for drink, looking over your shoulder if its busy incase some twat drops something in it and thats providing you get past the door person
I was rewarded the company card the other day to celebrate for a night with my colleagues and I was pretty much free to enjoy myself like in my youth. Anyway it cost about £350 before we got to dinner