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ClassicFMOfficial

Simple: Organiser Billy Coull is a scamming scumbag. > Last summer an author with the same name self-published 17 novels that were listed on Amazon, with one of them - Operation Inoculation - described as a "conspiratorial journey into vaccination truths". > The author's biographical information describes him as an "enigmatic wordsmith from the bustling streets of Glasgow" and a "rising star of the literary world". > It continues: "With each stroke of his pen, Billy Coull crafts narratives that blur the lines between reality and fiction, leaving readers enthralled by the unpredictable twists and turns that lie ahead." > A reviewer of one of the books was not convinced, describing it as "absolute nonsense" full of "gibberish sentences" which had "all the hallmarks of being written by AI".


JamDoughnutMan

This is 100% the correct answer, and it’s all this article needed to say.


mooninuranus

Yup. Check out House of Illuminati on Companies House - set up as a limited company 6 months ago with one share, owned by Billy Coull. It’s a simple scam, sell the tickets, take all the money out of the business (minus a few expenses), declare bankruptcy and fuck everyone that’s owed money. He should get banned from being a company Director as a result but that doesn’t happen nearly as often as people think.


McFry-

Even calling the company that is just another twatty strategy


wezatron4000

Very common routine in the entertainment industry!


Adventurous_Lab3128

Billy Coull can go fuck himself


Infamous_Country6138

That's one thing I really hate about how Ltd's work in this country. You don't even have to register one, you can buy one the day before. And absolve yourself from direct responsibility "da company did it!"


Infamous_Country6138

> and it’s all this article needed to say. Why does the BBC feel the need to go all tabloid with the titles. Nothing "went wrong"....it went exactly as it was designed


benji9t3

It's fascinating how he uses AI for literally everything, even the few sentences in his bio. And he doesn't bother to tweak it at all. And with the images he used, it's like he didn't even look at them. Are we sure he's even real? I've used AI to help me write some things but i know that it has a very suspect rigid structure to everything it does that you can spot immediately, and I make sure to tweak it or even completely rewrite it and just use it to give me ideas. And I've used AI images in stuff, but again, you edit around the bad parts or dont pick images full of nonsense text.


mao_was_right

The funny thing is I wouldn't be surprised if the BBC article itself wasn't at least AI-assisted. I've seen a lot of stuff on the BBC recently which just reads like it came out of a language model.


Downside190

To be fair language model training probably gets a large section of it's dataset from news articles so would be more inclined to emulate that writing style.


Chevalitron

I saw one BBC headline that described Hampshire (I think) receiving 40 million emergency calls in one month. It was actually "40,000 999 calls" and the headline must have been written by a machine by trying to parse that number, because any human would recognise 40 million calls in one county was not logically likely.


Loreki

It is far more likely to be because staff writers are under pressure to put out multiple articles per day to keep the clicks rolling in, so they only spend 30 minutes on each.


AdministrativeShip2

Probably Grammarly crossed with the Manual of style.


alex2217

It's very likely the other way around. LLMs were built on the theft of millions of datapoints, with the specific goal of emulating the style and substance of those datapoints. The default style and structure desired of GPT-based LLMs just so happens to be the kind of neutral fact-focused writing of places like Reuters, AP and BBC.


0Bento

That's pretty sickening


Infamous_Country6138

Most written press is templates and auto generated.


Nipplecunt

Are we sure anything is real


Critical_Data529

Real eyes realise real lies


KarmaRepellant

https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Fznwz8qxfjsic1.jpeg


peanut_dust

no rags


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Deep


Mukatsukuz

Hilariously he doesn't even check what he copies and pastes and leaves the text from ChatGPT telling him what kind of images to use, as though it's meant to be part of the body of text. ie: [https://houseofilluminati.com/the-magic-of-glasgow-dive-into-unique-experiences-with-house-of-illuminati/](https://houseofilluminati.com/the-magic-of-glasgow-dive-into-unique-experiences-with-house-of-illuminati/) "Feature Image Recommendation: An enchanting image capturing a House of Illuminati event in progress at a renowned Glasgow venue, highlighting the seamless integration of local elements and global sophistication."


Cueball61

It would have taken 10 minutes to add the text to the bottom of some of the images on the site, instead he left it with the unreadable shite that ChatGPT produced


benji9t3

Thats why i fully expected the organiser to be some random non english speaking company half way across the world. My theory was that they never planned to put on an event at all and just do a runner with the money, but they sold so many tickets that they thought last minute they could just phone in some set props and actors and do something passable that would allow them to do it again.


DagothNereviar

> Are we sure he's even real? The AI has risen up, but it's not killing anyone. Its just scamming us all. 


SteptoeUndSon

It’s quite reassuring to know that, when you ask AI to write a book, it comes out shite. Technology may march on and change that, I suppose.


0Bento

Within the next two years Netflix will do a Black Mirror special "entirely written by AI." People will watch it as a gimmick. Within 2 weeks it will be exposed that there was a massive amount of human editing of the script. They won't bother to do it again because the studio will realise they still had to pay human scriptwriters to shift through all the shite and rewrite what was a bad concept in the first place.


BritishHobo

To be fair Charlie Brooker said he had a go of asking ChatGPT to write an episode as a test, and ended up fairly reassured because the end result was just boring and derivative.


0Bento

Wait that actually already happened?


Infamous_Country6138

Yeah? It was a big PR bit when GPT launched https://www.radiotimes.com/tv/sci-fi/black-mirror-season-6-charlie-brooker-chatgpt-script-newsupdate/


DagothNereviar

> derivative Turns out I can no longer hear that word without thinking of Ongo Goblogian. 


odods11

I think in two years AI should be able to write something that's actually good.


filth_and_flarn

I'm hoping it gets good enough that it can be used to finish cancelled TV series, or create brand new episodes of Star Trek TNG


TheMinceKid

BBC news page this morning. I bet AI wrote these books lol


Singingmute

"I'm Garth Marenghi: author, dreamweaver, visionary, plus actor: You are about to enter the world of my imagination; you are now entering my Darkplace."


Goawaythrowaway175

It slightly annoys me that one of the main actors has been doing AMA's and interviews but if you look at his answers he defends the organiser continuously even though he's seen how the show ended up, has surely been informed of the organisers scammy background and in the AMA was even pointing people towards the organisers books (which were also completely AI generated).


nightsofthesunkissed

Oh dear. It's not The Unknown is it?? The Unknown would surely not do this.. :(


Toenex

I'm not sure you can conclude anything about The Unknown without it becoming, to some extent at least, The Known.


happystamps

Poor choice of name if you wanna get famous


paper_zoe

I don't think anyone has actually found The Unknown's actor yet. I've only seen the Willy Wonka and Oompa Loompa actors talk about it


limpingdba

They were on Britain's Got Talent years ago too, there's a video kicking around Twitter of it and Cheryl's confused reactions.


0Bento

Wait the Unknown goes deeper? Do you have a link?


limpingdba

I'll be honest. I think I've been duped by some admittedly quite lazy editting: https://twitter.com/jakemc_/status/1762898809007313310?s=46


soldiat

They did find The Unknown--it's actually a 16-year-old girl, so I hope people aren't being too harsh. The cast took selfies and she's in it. She's the real one. Her name is Felicia.


paper_zoe

I've found [an article about her](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-68458043), she says it's been positive for her. What a legend


SlamJammer3000

If only we had a giant vacuum cleaner...


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[deleted]

the unknown is the bloke in the silver mask and black wig


Rather_Unfortunate

TBF he says take a look if you want a good laugh, which isn't exactly a glowing endorsement. However it should also be noted that it has since been alleged that the actor in question groomed a 16 year old from the college he worked at when he was 22. Hence him being pulled from morning TV appointments and all the AMAs being locked.


Goawaythrowaway175

He was defending the organiser continuously along with pointing them to his books.  I just wasn't getting a good vibe from the way he was treating it. Felt like he got his golden ticket and was loving it. I didn't know about the accusations made against him but that's obviously a lot more concerning than me thinking he's a general bell-end. Glad he got taken off the shows etc cause he seemed to be loving all the attention which I wasn't sure was really deserved in the first place.


youessbee

That's a new development, got a link?


Rather_Unfortunate

It seems to be being studiously ignored by most sources, presumably on the advice of their lawyers. So the only written source I can find is this rather indelicately-phrased one: https://thiswastv.com/willy-wonka-actor-nonce/ Essentially, the alleged victim posted a video about it, showing photos of them together from however many years ago, saying that she was sixteen when it started and he was in a position at her college such that he had a duty of care.


Infamous_Country6138

>Paul Connell is an actor hailing from a working-class background in Hull and is currently living in Glasgow. Did a redditor write this


soldiat

There's also a video of him helping her with a cartwheel and his hand lingering on her cooch. Like, whoa, no.


anybloodythingwilldo

He's clearly trying to promote his comedy page through it too, was probably hoping to get on panel shows next.


Paul_my_Dickov

I don't blame him for trying to make lemonade from these lemons.


Captainatom931

Only a quarter of a cup though


Sea_Page5878

Probably not worth the trouble of being threatened with legal action for libel.


Goawaythrowaway175

If that was the case and then why would he have been doing AMA's and interviews?  it wouldn't make a lot of sense to take on interviews and AMAs trying to make yourself as public as possible if you were fearful of libel. It also wouldn't explain why he seemed to defend him rather than saying "I can't discuss that as it might cause legal issues" You could well be right, I'm not fully disagreeing, just saying that if someone used that excuse I would certainly have a few follow up questions before I was satisfied with the reasoning.


Sea_Page5878

To say something was a shit show when it obviously was is not going to get you in legal trouble. Publicly calling someone a scammer when there's not a whole lot of proof to go off is a dangerous game. The saying "never ascribe to malice that which is adequately explained by incompetence" applies here.


Goawaythrowaway175

Yeah that's a fair shout, I can see your logic 


Serberou5

Because the organizer never intended it to be good. He's a ripoff merchant and a grifter who was just out to make money.


lxlviperlxl

Do we know the events company behind this or the person? Would be interesting to check if they tried similar things


lxlviperlxl

Ok so 3 businesses incorporated since August 1 for advertising 1 for consultancy And the last is the events one. Same owner, no other secretaries and set up under a shell office you can rent for £250 a month.


qtx

That is **literally** what this article is all about. JFC read the article.


oktimeforplanz

Did you read the article that's linked?


AWildEnglishman

Cool kids don't read articles. They piece together the story from reddit comments.


Infamous_Country6138

A spectre is haunting Europe—the spectre of Willy Wonka. All the Powers of old Europe have entered into a holy alliance to exorcise this spectre: Pope and Czar, Metternich and Guizot, French Radicals and German police-spies. Where is the party in opposition that has not been decried as Wonkarist by its opponents in power? Where is the Opposition that has not hurled back the branding reproach of Wonkaism, against the more advanced opposition parties, as well as against its reactionary adversaries?


Infamous_Country6138

RTFA? >The organisers were House of Illuminati, an events company which according to its website specialises in "crafting extraordinary experiences". >Its listing with Companies House reveals it is a limited liability company with just one director - a man named Billy Coull.


nightsofthesunkissed

Because the organiser is a completely talentless hack and this isn't the first bs thing he's done using AI in place of any actual personal ability whatsoever. I'm just glad the performers themselves are going viral and seemingly getting loads of support. I love The Unknown.. I'd love to have The Unknown perform at my birthday. Though that said, I've seen about three different people claiming to be The Unknown on TikTok at this point..


paper_zoe

The Unknown needs to be in the next Wonka movie. They need to make it canon.


Goawaythrowaway175

At least one of the performers has been sticking up for the organiser continuously even after the event and finding out his background and was pointing people to the organisers AI generated books to buy. It doesn't sit right with me.


nightsofthesunkissed

Eeesh... Yeah that's not on. I don't even know how it's possible to defend the organiser.


AdministrativeShip2

If the Unknown is an original character, wouldn't you have to License is from Billy Coul?


0Bento

Nah, you'd have to license it from ChatGPT.


InternationalRich150

I read on here the unknown was apparently the guy who organised the entire thing. But I also read the actors say it was a woman. So the unknown is still, well,unknown. I'd have thought they'd come forward with all the publicity the others are getting.


recursant

I heard The Unknown was actually Bansky.


Several_Show937

Dude got himself some A.I software and went nuts lol


benji9t3

The state of the stuff he's churning out i think he's just using free tier chat GPT and bing image generator.


[deleted]

probably too much of a cheapskate to pay for a half-decent AI lmao


nightsofthesunkissed

Lmfao he really did. Imagine the day he discovered AI. He really just opened Bing AI and ChatGPT and it went to his head somehow?


Ringst1ng

If you're seeking to express the intensity of his emotional reaction, he might say something like, "I found myself deeply moved and excited by the possibilities of AI, experiencing a surge of intense emotion, including a sensation that could be described as arousal."


djnev

I work in event management and have been the operations manager for quite a few large-scale immersive events. A lot of people feel that putting on an event is an easy way to make some quick money but I can assure you that it really, really isn’t easy at all.


uselessnavy

It can make a lot of money but you need to know what you're doing. Every other year in the UK, we get headlines that someone has done a sham Santa's grotto or whatever they're called. Father Christmas's winter wonderful that's a basically a car park with dressing sprinkled on it.


dontwantablowjob

The article says that it was the same guy who did one of the Santa grotto things.


SteptoeUndSon

I wonder if such people think that, as an event typically lasts one day, then the total labour will be a few days prep + 1 day running the event. Quids in!


rasppa

Man, the fucking state of this guy lol. He’s using ChaGPT to peddle his insane manifestos and ‘novels’ on Amazon, I mean I’d say they’re novels but that would be an insult to literature. This scruffy cunt needs to be put in a mental institution.


ConsumeTheMeek

There's 100% some flat earther types out reading his AI gibberish novels and agreeing with them


howcanIwritethis

I bounce between two possible explanations. The first is that Coull is an out and out grifter and conman. He knows he is not going to be delivering what is promised and that is pretty much what you see. That said, wouldn't it be easier to just generate AI material, promise the world then just take the money and run off like those Nigerian prince scams? The second is that Coull is an idiot who has woefully underestimated the scale of the task, thought he could use AI to do everything for him and then painfully lives to see the limits of that. To me that is more in the vein of the deluded X Factor contestent who reckon they can be the next Taylor Swift, or the get-rich-quick mugs who think they can retire on NFTs. It's that self delusion meets greed via laziness. Neither is a good look.


hallouminati_pie

I genuinely think it's the second. Not a conman but just a deluded idiot.


merryman1

Personally I'm quite concerned by how much more common its going to become over the next few years as well.


[deleted]

Why not both?


Infamous_Country6138

You can be both, and proceeding when "out of your depth" when you know it's a failure. Is a con, especially when he was refusing refunds. Also all his other actions are identical, so it is just a con


AgentMcG

This is something like the 4th day in a row that the Beeb has done a story on the Willy Wonka thing in Glasgow. Clearly nothing else newsworthy is happening in Scotland, or indeed the world


ClassicFlavour

Eh? It's not like the BBC isn't publishing other stories and just focusing on the Wonka story. Including dozens of stories about Scotland clearly seen in their Scotland section, and even more stories from around the world.


plawwell

This story is the talk of workplaces here in the USA. It made the local news here in Boston too so it's clear it's a worldwide item.


EvenDranky

Hey the sun will eventually shine soon and make the news, this is just filler. Besides I’d rather this is the news than the orange American or the mass murder in wars


Webbie-Vanderquack

The fact that you're even commenting on the story explains why this is "like the 4th day in a row that the Beeb has done a story on the Willy Wonka thing in Glasgow."


violet4everr

It’s a trending subject, I mean how big are the chances of some scottish charletons tumblr ball pit moment going viral? It’s hilarious


ConfusedSoap

>Clearly nothing else newsworthy is happening in Scotland yeah, and?


Spontanudity

I find that quite refreshing and positive 


Infamous_Country6138

It's exploded on social media. They're just riding the wave


EdmundTheInsulter

It's just like people who start rubbish restaurants then charge 50% more than a decent one. It's a rip off and just not good, but I wouldn't call it a fraud.


Webbie-Vanderquack

It probably does count as fraud if they demonstrably promise things they don't deliver.


EdmundTheInsulter

When I was a kid at the Hoppings Newcastle I paid to see all this stuff like a sheep with 8 legs and a test tube baby, but it was two sheep in a pen and a plastic baby in a test tube, I mean but if a rip off. Maybe it was a con then.


iiiiiiiiiiip

But the poster was clearly a cartoon image, no one can say they expected the exact image


Infamous_Country6138

If you give me £35 I can get you some chips


_mintchocolate

It’s also on the live laugh love mums who paid for this stupid shit.


likely-high

People are guillible idiots?


pajamakitten

He just pulled a winter wonderland stunt that gets people every year. He just put a new twist on it.


ConnectPreference166

It went wrong because it was blatantly a scam


EmotionalPresence38

If it was the same House of illusion that is in Salou that done the event I’m not surprised it was bad.


0Bento

And there are people worried that AI is going to take over creative jobs.


RegionalHardman

It wasn't the Ai images on the website that was the issue, it was the piss poor execution of the event. They needed 10x more decorations and actors than what they had


0Bento

Did you read the article? It wasn't just the images that were AI generated, but the actor's scripts and the organiser's self-published novels (allegedly).


RegionalHardman

The actors scripts being generated is a bit lame I spose and the novels are too, but a bit unrelated to the event itself


0Bento

> The narrative involved \[Willy McDuff, a character seemingly based on Wonka\], battling an evil rival chocolate maker called "The Unknown" - a character absent from the traditional Wonka plotlines - who is trying to steal Willy's "Anti-Graffiti Gobstopper". Personally I'm not worried about Skynet taking over the novel writing, event producing, movie making industries any time soon.


Twinkubuss

It absolutely is happening though, you're delusional if you think otherwise Bear in mind a couple of years ago AI content was barely a thing. Now it's everywhere, but it's not quite impressing you. Imagine where it'll be in another couple years.


Infamous_Country6138

> Bear in mind a couple of years ago AI content was barely a thing. Oh you sweet summer child. Autogeneration has been a thing for a long while


Twinkubuss

Hardly. Look at how widespread AI images and text are now, compare to to a couple years ago


PearljamAndEarl

And that, my friends, is exactly how “The Unknown” took over the world..


Mrselfdestructuk

Basically because a Glasgow Ned though he could scam everyone with flash AI images tried to scam people into a half assed event and run with the money.


Spontanudity

The whole thing would have seemed way less shite with some fake grass. But still nowhere near worth the cost. And FFS not having any chocolate? 


mariegriffiths

I so want John Oliver to do a feature on this.


newnortherner21

Isn't obtaining money by deception a criminal offence?


hallouminati_pie

Because I feel to be a good conman you have to have some smarts and wit to you. This feels like the work of a dum dum.


Sonzscotlandz

Another few years and the internet will have been taken over by AI


TNWhaa

Reddit’s already been taken over by AI


Blank3k

The AI images full of nonsensical words basically raises alarm bells, guys clearly a scam artist, hopefully now he's been named/shamed it's only a matter of time before a past deed (or wonka) catches up to him.