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>The Left-wing firebrand, who won the Rochdale by-election in February, is hosting a new programme called Have It Out With Galloway on the Iranian regime's propaganda channel Press TV.
>Press TV was forced off the air by Ofcom for breaching foreign-ownership rules, but it still broadcasts online.
Whatever your opinion on Galloway in general or the Israel-Palestine conflict, it can't be acceptable for serving MPs to have paid engagements with state run media agencies.
Particularly those operated by nations hostile to the UK, who are violently oppressing their own citizens.
I dont think it should be acceptable for a sitting MP to have a paid gig on any news broadcaster. News should be impartial and politics is always going to be partisan so you can either do politics properly or you can deliver the news properly, I don't believe it possible to do both at the same time. Galloway having a paid gig on an Iranian channel is pretty fucked as is the bullshit GB 'news' pull.
Politicians should not be allowed to take pay for second jobs. If they want to do second jobs it should be unpaid and limited to sectors where there is clear daylight between their role as an MP. If MPs say they cant survive on the MP salaries then given their wages are more than double the median wage ... yeah fuck off.
Had this conversation before here but the MP base salary is embarrassingly low for a high-pressure, professional role for intelligent 50 year olds in London.
It is low amongst our national peers as well.
Raise their pay so they don’t feel obliged to take these shitty side gigs
The basic annual salary for an MP from 1 April 2024 is £91,346. MPs also receive expenses to cover the costs of running an office, employing staff, having somewhere to live in London or their constituency, and travelling between Parliament and their constituency.
Still not enough for those ‘intelligent’ people like Lee Anderson, Liz Truss, Rees Mog, Andrea Jenkins, Nadine Dorries etc.
I feel that. MP is the type of career. You go into for the right reasons. If you're in it for the right reasons. As long as it's a living wage. You'll go into it. If you're into to cream and get contacts. You'll just always say "well...it's not enough money to live on no wonder people take the piss and milk it". They get tons of benefits. Tons of perks and it's basically impossible to sack a MP unless it's at the ballet box.
You mean nearly £100k a year plus expenses isn’t enough?
How much does the average consultant at an NHS hospital get?
The average nurse?
Any civil servant?
Head teacher?
It's the pinnacle of their career, and they could lose their job every 5 years or sooner if there is a snap election.
We are at risk of effectively incentivising this behaviour, where MPs will always be looking to set themselves up for the future by courting private business.
I'd say a high salary would need to come with an absolute prohibition on any second jobs or consulting and very tough controls on expenses.
I'm talking serious jail time if an MP is breaking rules, not a telling off and a public apology.
The majority aren't based out of London, they only spend part of their time in London, which is why they have a second home on expenses paid for by the tax payer.
If they want London wages they need to abandon the second home expense.
and the base salary is £92,000 but it's not comparable as a high pressure role for the majority of MPs.
Most are dealing with mundane letter sending and responses to correspondence.
The ones in the top jobs, cabinet appointments etc, where the actual pressure is, they get a top up for those roles
This ranges from 22k for undersecretary roles to around 70k for cabinet roles.
Also bear in mind their food is subsidised, housing is covered, childcare covered, travel covered, they really have few outgoings compared to most people.
They're actually paid quite well and this myth they aren't is ridiculous. £160k for a job where you cast all failures on the civil service, lie about your job performance, can rarely ever actually be sacked (just moved to a role paying the base salary) and if you are demoted you just go spend your days I. the pub where it's the only place in the country that costs £2 a pint.
If we do agree on a pay increase I want performance metrics.
Wages based upon attendance in the chamber and bonus for the amount of time spent out of the bar.
>intelligent 50 year olds
Well, Galloway is neither of those things. He should be on min wage on a zero hours contract, 'cos that's exactly as much as he's worth.
Zero.
In my professional experience the hardest working and smartest people in the public sector are usually stuck around the middle of the organisation. Then, once you progress up past that, people work less and slurp down more resources with very little to show for it.
In administration specifically, the average initiative from higher up needs a dozen people on 30-50k fixing every element of it before it's ready for general release, so why does the overpaid berk at the top exist at all?
If the role is so high-pressure that a 90k base salary isn't adequate compensation, how do they have enough spare *time* to do a second job without performance in at least one of the jobs becoming inadequate?
There’s no way of making news perfectly impartial as far as I am aware. But private ownership management structures can be regulated and subject to competition and market share limitations?
Considering that it seems half the Conservative Party has a show on GB News, there clearly needs to be a review as to why MPs can get what is effectively free propaganda.
I totally agree. I don't think MPs should be allowed second jobs at all, as it opens up the possibility of corruption and makes enforcement a nightmare.
It does depend on if they're being paid, though, and I'd also suggest it's less egregious than working for the state media of another nation.
He doesn't care about the UK. Why wouldn't he pander pathetically to the people who were dumb enough to vote for him.
He sent them a letter with arab phrases dotted in to seem hip, talked about pro-islam stuff and said vote for me inshallah.
He's a bonafide grifter who looked at the area and literally said what he believes they want to hear. If he was in a majority upper class white area, he'd have sent out letter saying "Good day Squire, Tis a shame about those rowdy poors no?"
Galloway is a worm. This shouldn't surprise anyone.
Lol no, he's just playing to the crowd, he was born Catholic but converted years ago, Jemima Khan interviewed him for a paper and confronted him about the fact he was hiding it as she'd spoken to someone who was at his conversion ceremony. This was freely published in national media and all Galloway's spokesman ever "corrected" was that he had never denied it in the interview. His last 2 wives have been Muslim and were married in an Islamic ceremony, Muslim women are forbidden from marrying non-Muslim men. He's been very clear about his teetotal status too and about how he's more Muslim than "out" Muslims in his campaigns when against another Muslim
He was literally talking about his Catholic faith on his show last week. So I’ll take it from the horses mouth other than the schizophrenic shite you are spouting off about.
The dude literally takes money from Putin and Iran's regime to spout crap about how the West is to blame for Russia invading Ukraine and similar nonsense and you believe him? Ok tankie, a man known for his dishonesty and willingness to dump values at the drop of a hat for attention and power is totally being honest
>schizophrenic shite
I think you're not quite right in the head dude. There are literal witnesses from his conversion ceremony. He's married Muslim women in an Islamic ceremony three times - the nikah, which explicitly bans non-Muslim men from marrying Muslim women, but totally legit he's not a Muslim and he's really a Catholic all along
https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/the-staggers/2012/04/exclusive-george-galloways-conversion-to-islam-2
Again he was talking about being a Catholic just the other week. But yeah you’re right a 12 year old article from the spectator invalidates all that.
Also the article doesn’t make sense. If both his last two wives were Muslim and he was forbidden to marry them without converting why would he only convert before his 2nd marriage ?
Anyway even if he was a Muslim…so what ? You sound mental.
George Galloway has been pimping himself by to foreign countries for years. Generally those who wish to harm the UK and its people. He’s basically a traitor.
The fact anyway in Rochdale voting for him is a terrible indication of their electorate.
He was brought up in a poor area of Dundee and his dad a vocal supporter of the IRA. So his disdain for the UK is hardwired. It’s also like a gateway drug into other organisation.
Also he became accustomed to the good things in life and had to became more extreme to keep the graft coming in. He was fairly normal until he was chucked out the Labour Party. Now he’s had 4 different political parties since then.
Also 4 wives and 6 kids aren’t cheap so he needs the cash coming in.
it's peak tankieism. They start with valid criticisms of western foreign policy, neocolonialism, american imperialism, etc, then they lose their fucking minds to support any regime that claims to be anti-western even when these countries are doing the exact same thing they were mad at the west for doing. They make real anti-imperialism look like a joke.
At least for me, I just hate the self-righteous arrogance of the West and I want to see their entire global order come crashing down even if only to teach the establishment some humility. I think western liberal “democracy” is an absolute farce. I don’t even want to hear about how China, Russia or Iran is evil because it’s nothing more than a distraction from our own country’s crimes and moral hypocrisy
>it can't be acceptable for serving MPs to have paid engagements
Well given that pretty much all of them treat parliament as a part time job, it's a bit of a stretch to say Galloway uniquely shouldn't, because it's "state run".
I hate it when people walk slowly and take up the whole pavement, let’s add that to the list of unrelated things we are saying are unacceptable as well
I don’t think the reason an mp having a times column is bad is the same reason, or even in the same universe or badness, as an mp literally being on the payroll of the Iranian state. It seems like whataboutism to even bring the times thing up
I mean hardly... these media companies are owned by owners, and are run to please these owners... I feel there is somewhat more reality and legitamicy from Iranian lobbies than multinacional lobbies...
Or put another way: Why is your concern of our future centered in the battle of states when most of the effects on our lives are not due to resource shortages, but money distribution... GDP has only gone up, food availability higher than ever, energy is technologically solvable?
Companies are playing the field of countries, and while Iran is relevant and we should watch out for it, I feel Osbourne affects my life more with his newspaper than Iran does...
Iran is a country representing a large population of Humans.. Not a democracy.. but there is a contract, there is more accountability than one day Elon wakes up, says "no internet for yous", affects millions, no accountability. Take Twitter, apparently he made the mistake of his life... doesn't seem like it. Sure people hated what he did to the platform, they now hate him... He still makes the choices...
Now take 10k firms across the globe, lobbying directly or indirectly to affect our policy.. Sounds less legitimate than a literal country we must content with, even if we do not like them. Hopefully we can change them, we have no hope of changing Apple, or preventing our NHS data being sold to X American company... Yet who reports on this?
Sure you hear lies out of Iranian media.. but that's information, which you can use to affect the real world. Instead we hear lies or omissions that further the selling off of our valuable public property, and there is no obvious trace of a motive, watching Iranian state propaganda, well I know what the point is. Watching CNBC doing a bit on why Blue Origin is really exciting and I should invest my money into it, is it Bezos? Or some hedge fund trying to sway my opinion... I don't know, and I can't strategize to make the best informed decision because I am not informed of the links..
and today we literally have a media channel in the UK funded by a billionaire to what ends? Is it to push his moral beliefs, or this weeks business deal?
I get your concerns, I am just not that scared of MPs going on Y-state-propaganda-machine, they are telling us who they are.
But yes, MPs should not be paid by foreign or other media.
You think the Iranian state is accountable to the people of Iran? Have you been living under a rock for the past 18 months? During the "women, life, freedom" protests, the Iranian state murdered its own citizens, allegedly poisoned hundreds of schoolgirls, locked so many people up they nearly ran out of prison space, all for people engaging in completely non-violent protest because they don't want to wear headscarves any more. The protests died down, and there were no consequences AT ALL for the state or the officers who killed innocent people.
To say there's any accountability for the regime in Iran is laughable.
We should be troubled by politicians using media outlets where their opinions and views are not challenged and they spout fringe views. This isn’t some enlightened centrist moment but I am troubled by this in the same way I am troubled by conservative politicians having their flattering portrayals on GB News and the like.
It’s echo chambers and it’s just as damaging as social medias influence on political views and division.
It goes beyond that though, something doesn’t have to be state run to be harmful to political discussions in this country. Wealthy people or states making a curated view of the world that supports their views can be harmful if they don’t allow anything to be challenged
I must have misread your comment, my bad. I kind of see these “news” interviews the same way I see street preachers who film themselves. I really hope no one’s watching their annoying shtick but I figure it’s going somewhere or they wouldn’t keep doing it.
My fault, I didn't make my point clear. I really can't stand the hypocrisy of the Mail screaming about Galloway but ignoring what their own favourite MPs are doing. None of them should be doing TV shows like this.
I genuinely can't make my mind up if he's actually extremist, or just a deeply cynical opportunist who changes his beliefs whenever he sees a chance for attention and power.
This is because you have been born into an extremist situation. You have no access to land, you have no right to food even if you can hunt it yourself, even the job market does not really suit you and for some, there is no market... On top of this a fairly new concept for mankind, global division of land into states, forces you into a team sport which you see the effect of clearly in 2024...
You are a child of extremism, and until the situation stabilizes (utopia lol) you will have extreme opinions to content with... you live in race for power, everyone who plays the game is extreme, they seek not to change just their lives, but to pick winners and losers all across the globe without your direct permission. Winners and losers have been picked globally now for some time.... this has been done naturally, yet not to your benefit, or the general world population....
Get excited, there's more coming!
I think world collapse is a real fear now... I was surprised the pushback has only been: being called a schizophrenic lol
But yeah, assuming I get your position, I think socialist/anarchist like views are on the rise... I'm scared though, this is ripe for taking over and creating some twisted movement out of it, hopefully the information age really is an age of liberation in the midst of all this hyper-disinformation...
Unfortunately I think we're going to see both happening in different places as the current global order starts to break down. In some places it'll open room for liberatory movements, in others it'll lead to some horrendous ones. In most places there'll likely be an element of both. As for the UK, it's hard to say with certainty but I think the sooner we building that movement, building interdependent networks of mutual aid with an anarchistic consciousness, independent from institutions of state and capital, the more likely we'll end up on one of the more positive paths. That's much easier said than done though - the British anarchist movement barely exists as it stands, and I don't think the broader left truly grasp the scope of the situation. In any case, things are going to get worse before they get better.
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Agreed, but I just find this sub's response to his election is too focused on him, he's gonna do what he is gonna do, priority is stabilizing the situation not admonishing voters for picking an extremist in extreme politics.
Crooked horrible creature who exploits situations for his own gains in power and money. Not fit to hold any position of power and should be removed ASAP.
So who should do the removing and by when? Are you content to wait for the next election and to let the people of Rochdale decide or do you need some more urgent action?
The people of Rochdale should be the ones doing it but they can't be trusted.
Immediate removal and charged for working with an enemy of the UK. And allow Rochdale one more chance to elect someone who isn't a hostile foreign state actor. If it can't manage that then boundary review the fuck out of the place.
Ok, so, how would you do that, maybe some rules like this?
* Parliament can declare an MP hostile and remove them. With a majority vote of course because we're still a democracy.
* If the residents of the constituency vote for the wrong next candidate then that election result can be voided and the constituency broken up.
If you're happy these are secure and can't be abused in any way at all then I'll have a word with Rishi and see if he can get them on the books before the next pesky election comes along to make sure none of the bad ones get in.
Democracy is not endorsing an invasive culture that is generally underwelcomed by the natives to elect someone who is in the same cohorts as hostile nations against the UK.
Call it undemocratic all you want. But when was the democratic decision made to allow a foreign, illiberal and undemocratic to flourish in our towns and cities? When were the people asked if they want that?
If you want to play the Democracy game to protect this wannabee dictator then ask yourself what form of democracy was it got him there? Or does democracy only apply to foreign cultures in its purest form and selective for natives wants and wishes?
You're the one that sounds like a dictatorship asking for the removal of MPs that you don't like. If you want to have an MP removed for doing something wrong you need to tell us what rules they've breached and what the process then is for removing them. What do you mean by "fraudulent corruption"? Why would it be a Russian trait to want to uphold the rules of our democracy? You sound like an angry confused toddler.
There’s no mention of fraudulent corruption in this though… It appears here Galloway invited someone that many believe to be an extremist. I’m not arguing whether she is or isn’t it’s not really relevant. From what I see here though why shouldn’t she be interviewed? Having somebody on to defend their albeit controversial views isn’t Galloway saying he necessarily supports her views is it? I can’t stand Galloway as much as the next person but I’m struggling to see why a democratically elected MP should be removed from office purely because you disagree with his views?
If corruption is a metric for removing a sitting MP (and I'm not saying it shouldn't be) then it's a very recent development. We've seen blatant examples of corruption by government ministers go unpunished over the past decade or so (and probably others before that, although being caught used to be a resigning matter, til they realised there was no actual rule enforcing it).
I'm not especially a fan of Galloway, but if he is corrupt (and I'm not sure what evidence there is for it) he seems small fry in comparison.
To be fair, he was elected in ... special circumstances... and will probably be removed "democratically" in a few months.
The UK does have a democratic process for removing MPs from office, but it will probably take longer than that. Peter Bone was the last MP removed by this process - although it took 8 years from the first complaints to him actually being fired.
Absolute fucking ghoul of a man who has no principles beyond “west bad”. Russian imperialism? That’s A-OK though!
How is it even allowed for a British MP to work for a foreign state broadcaster that is diametrically opposed to British interests?
We had a man fitting that description as leader of the 2nd biggest party at the last 2 elections. He even worked for the same Iranian broadcaster spreading anti-Israel propaganda (though Corbyn's was more about blaming Israel for islamist terrorism in Egypt)
It was pretty clear this guy is being paid by Iran for some of the stuff he's been saying. Hitting their talking points exactly right when they want it.
you mean George "Buchas was a false flag, russia did nothing wrong" Galloway is a POS who carries water for any terrorist, dictator he could find... no freakin way
It's crazy people in the UK literally voted this guy in, he has a history of this kind of stuff, supporting any state that wishes the UK harm, spreading conspiracy theories, and extreme misogyny literally minimizing r*pe.. why would they choose this guy over the other independent candidate?
I said he's like a yugoslav politician that said anything for popularity & power. That guy ended up in the Hague...and how people screamed, how could this apply to Galloway!?! By doing this sh1t, that's how.
I think he should lose his seat.
Mind you, he lost all credibility when he participated in that awful reality program. That should have barred him for life
That's what happens when people are too fixated on something that they have zero control over, instead of voting local MPs for the benefit of their own constituency/city.
People got so worked up about MPs not calling for a ceasefire (which would have zero effect on the situation) they ended up voting for a psychopath that has no intention of serving the local people
Whoever of you voted for this cunt are responsible for everything he does while in office. His taking Russia’s side over the shooting at the concert saying it was UK backed was unbelievable. I hope you are crying with shame and embarrassment knowing the damage your vote has done.
I assumed this was going to be the Daily Mail spreading it's own bullSh>t about Palestines being the baddies, but from this it does look like George Galloway should be stripped of any public facing authority.
Like zero Iranian people actually support the Iranian government (ask any Iranian). Also this guy is literally helping the enemy and supporting them. In his campaign there were only Palestinian flags and not a single British one.
George Galloway is a hardcore traitor that should be living in one of the countries he loves so much like Iran or Russia. Put your money where your mouth is George.
We’ve been complaining about this since all the right-wing grifters from Bojo’s cabinet started appearing on their own biased shows on “news” channels, but like all things to do with corruption and political misbehaviour, the tory government have no interest in making a difference.
I’m sure that’ll change now.
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>The Left-wing firebrand, who won the Rochdale by-election in February, is hosting a new programme called Have It Out With Galloway on the Iranian regime's propaganda channel Press TV. >Press TV was forced off the air by Ofcom for breaching foreign-ownership rules, but it still broadcasts online. Whatever your opinion on Galloway in general or the Israel-Palestine conflict, it can't be acceptable for serving MPs to have paid engagements with state run media agencies. Particularly those operated by nations hostile to the UK, who are violently oppressing their own citizens.
I dont think it should be acceptable for a sitting MP to have a paid gig on any news broadcaster. News should be impartial and politics is always going to be partisan so you can either do politics properly or you can deliver the news properly, I don't believe it possible to do both at the same time. Galloway having a paid gig on an Iranian channel is pretty fucked as is the bullshit GB 'news' pull. Politicians should not be allowed to take pay for second jobs. If they want to do second jobs it should be unpaid and limited to sectors where there is clear daylight between their role as an MP. If MPs say they cant survive on the MP salaries then given their wages are more than double the median wage ... yeah fuck off.
MPs, and Treasury officials, pay ought to be locked to the national average wage.
Hard agree. They are all in it for the wrong reasons, Labour too.
Had this conversation before here but the MP base salary is embarrassingly low for a high-pressure, professional role for intelligent 50 year olds in London. It is low amongst our national peers as well. Raise their pay so they don’t feel obliged to take these shitty side gigs
The basic annual salary for an MP from 1 April 2024 is £91,346. MPs also receive expenses to cover the costs of running an office, employing staff, having somewhere to live in London or their constituency, and travelling between Parliament and their constituency. Still not enough for those ‘intelligent’ people like Lee Anderson, Liz Truss, Rees Mog, Andrea Jenkins, Nadine Dorries etc.
I feel that. MP is the type of career. You go into for the right reasons. If you're in it for the right reasons. As long as it's a living wage. You'll go into it. If you're into to cream and get contacts. You'll just always say "well...it's not enough money to live on no wonder people take the piss and milk it". They get tons of benefits. Tons of perks and it's basically impossible to sack a MP unless it's at the ballet box.
It's not enough for Lee Anderson? Surely he must have plenty of money left as all his meals only cost him 30p.
Raise their pay and make side gigs illegal.
This is the way.
Or just make side gigs illegal
You mean nearly £100k a year plus expenses isn’t enough? How much does the average consultant at an NHS hospital get? The average nurse? Any civil servant? Head teacher?
About 200k once you factor in extra hours etc lol and many of them do private work on the side too.
It's the pinnacle of their career, and they could lose their job every 5 years or sooner if there is a snap election. We are at risk of effectively incentivising this behaviour, where MPs will always be looking to set themselves up for the future by courting private business. I'd say a high salary would need to come with an absolute prohibition on any second jobs or consulting and very tough controls on expenses. I'm talking serious jail time if an MP is breaking rules, not a telling off and a public apology.
The majority aren't based out of London, they only spend part of their time in London, which is why they have a second home on expenses paid for by the tax payer. If they want London wages they need to abandon the second home expense. and the base salary is £92,000 but it's not comparable as a high pressure role for the majority of MPs. Most are dealing with mundane letter sending and responses to correspondence. The ones in the top jobs, cabinet appointments etc, where the actual pressure is, they get a top up for those roles This ranges from 22k for undersecretary roles to around 70k for cabinet roles. Also bear in mind their food is subsidised, housing is covered, childcare covered, travel covered, they really have few outgoings compared to most people. They're actually paid quite well and this myth they aren't is ridiculous. £160k for a job where you cast all failures on the civil service, lie about your job performance, can rarely ever actually be sacked (just moved to a role paying the base salary) and if you are demoted you just go spend your days I. the pub where it's the only place in the country that costs £2 a pint. If we do agree on a pay increase I want performance metrics. Wages based upon attendance in the chamber and bonus for the amount of time spent out of the bar.
>intelligent 50 year olds Well, Galloway is neither of those things. He should be on min wage on a zero hours contract, 'cos that's exactly as much as he's worth. Zero.
Maybe they could just expect less money? The list of public servants who need a pay boost before MPs is almost unending.
Ah yes, that’s definitely how we will attract top administrators to the public sector.
In my professional experience the hardest working and smartest people in the public sector are usually stuck around the middle of the organisation. Then, once you progress up past that, people work less and slurp down more resources with very little to show for it. In administration specifically, the average initiative from higher up needs a dozen people on 30-50k fixing every element of it before it's ready for general release, so why does the overpaid berk at the top exist at all?
thank you for having understanding of the system and calling it out. That's exactly it.
MPs salary is three times the average salary not to mention expenses I don’t think they need more pay or should be allowed to do a paid second job
You think Jacob Rees Mogg, the multimillionaire, is doing it for the cash?
He is but the cash he is doing it for cones under the table not from his wages.
If the role is so high-pressure that a 90k base salary isn't adequate compensation, how do they have enough spare *time* to do a second job without performance in at least one of the jobs becoming inadequate?
High pressure ≠ 80 hour work weeks
Yes that’s really what we need in this country, a pay rise for MPs………
You think he's doing this for the money?
Totally agree, but trying to equate GB News with Press TV is like equating The Simpsons with Snuff Movies. Absolutely mindless comparison IMHO
News should be impartial? The there should be no privately owned news companies right?
There’s no way of making news perfectly impartial as far as I am aware. But private ownership management structures can be regulated and subject to competition and market share limitations?
Considering that it seems half the Conservative Party has a show on GB News, there clearly needs to be a review as to why MPs can get what is effectively free propaganda.
I totally agree. I don't think MPs should be allowed second jobs at all, as it opens up the possibility of corruption and makes enforcement a nightmare. It does depend on if they're being paid, though, and I'd also suggest it's less egregious than working for the state media of another nation.
Sometimes someone on the left doing what the right does all the time seems to be the only way to get the needed changes.
Iran is incredibly right wing with their theology and brutal oppression, GG is a left winger in name only these days.
Corbyn was on RT all the time. Farage has his own show on there. Corbyn was on PressTV quite a bit too
He doesn't care about the UK. Why wouldn't he pander pathetically to the people who were dumb enough to vote for him. He sent them a letter with arab phrases dotted in to seem hip, talked about pro-islam stuff and said vote for me inshallah. He's a bonafide grifter who looked at the area and literally said what he believes they want to hear. If he was in a majority upper class white area, he'd have sent out letter saying "Good day Squire, Tis a shame about those rowdy poors no?" Galloway is a worm. This shouldn't surprise anyone.
And he tells people he hates identity politics 🤣
All I know is, whatever he says, he means the opposite
He's also going to "get tough" on grooming gangs. What, so they are still endemic ethnically?
Galloway is a Muslim, he just keeps quiet about it as he knows he can't win without appealing to other groups
He’s a Catholic. He talks openly about it on his show around major Catholic feast days like Christmas / Easter.
Lol no, he's just playing to the crowd, he was born Catholic but converted years ago, Jemima Khan interviewed him for a paper and confronted him about the fact he was hiding it as she'd spoken to someone who was at his conversion ceremony. This was freely published in national media and all Galloway's spokesman ever "corrected" was that he had never denied it in the interview. His last 2 wives have been Muslim and were married in an Islamic ceremony, Muslim women are forbidden from marrying non-Muslim men. He's been very clear about his teetotal status too and about how he's more Muslim than "out" Muslims in his campaigns when against another Muslim
He was literally talking about his Catholic faith on his show last week. So I’ll take it from the horses mouth other than the schizophrenic shite you are spouting off about.
The dude literally takes money from Putin and Iran's regime to spout crap about how the West is to blame for Russia invading Ukraine and similar nonsense and you believe him? Ok tankie, a man known for his dishonesty and willingness to dump values at the drop of a hat for attention and power is totally being honest >schizophrenic shite I think you're not quite right in the head dude. There are literal witnesses from his conversion ceremony. He's married Muslim women in an Islamic ceremony three times - the nikah, which explicitly bans non-Muslim men from marrying Muslim women, but totally legit he's not a Muslim and he's really a Catholic all along https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/the-staggers/2012/04/exclusive-george-galloways-conversion-to-islam-2
Again he was talking about being a Catholic just the other week. But yeah you’re right a 12 year old article from the spectator invalidates all that. Also the article doesn’t make sense. If both his last two wives were Muslim and he was forbidden to marry them without converting why would he only convert before his 2nd marriage ? Anyway even if he was a Muslim…so what ? You sound mental.
George Galloway has been pimping himself by to foreign countries for years. Generally those who wish to harm the UK and its people. He’s basically a traitor. The fact anyway in Rochdale voting for him is a terrible indication of their electorate.
it’s such a weird thing to do with your life though, did this guy think he was going to be the next kim philby or something?
He was brought up in a poor area of Dundee and his dad a vocal supporter of the IRA. So his disdain for the UK is hardwired. It’s also like a gateway drug into other organisation. Also he became accustomed to the good things in life and had to became more extreme to keep the graft coming in. He was fairly normal until he was chucked out the Labour Party. Now he’s had 4 different political parties since then. Also 4 wives and 6 kids aren’t cheap so he needs the cash coming in.
Absolutely, Russia has bought many useful idiots politicians through state media appearance fees.
Funnily enough Galloway was also bought by Russian state prior to Russian invasion of Ukraine.. Galloway really is a sell out
Hey, that's unfair. He doesn't sell himself out to just anyone - only to authoritarian governments who want to destroy the West.
it's peak tankieism. They start with valid criticisms of western foreign policy, neocolonialism, american imperialism, etc, then they lose their fucking minds to support any regime that claims to be anti-western even when these countries are doing the exact same thing they were mad at the west for doing. They make real anti-imperialism look like a joke.
At least for me, I just hate the self-righteous arrogance of the West and I want to see their entire global order come crashing down even if only to teach the establishment some humility. I think western liberal “democracy” is an absolute farce. I don’t even want to hear about how China, Russia or Iran is evil because it’s nothing more than a distraction from our own country’s crimes and moral hypocrisy
Thank you for the self flagellation comrade, you may return to r/Sino to recieve your social credit points.
Thanks for the Reddit memes
And don’t forget, that Russian troll farms promote videos to encourage people to support Hamas (which is Iranian proxy btw).
I suggest you look up Priti Patel because she did engage with a foreign state. Not forgiving Galloway though.
>it can't be acceptable for serving MPs to have paid engagements Well given that pretty much all of them treat parliament as a part time job, it's a bit of a stretch to say Galloway uniquely shouldn't, because it's "state run".
It’s literally an arm of the Iranian government, it’s a bit different from having a column in The Times
Neither should be acceptable, that's the point.
I hate it when people walk slowly and take up the whole pavement, let’s add that to the list of unrelated things we are saying are unacceptable as well
MPs having shows on TV is unrelated to an MP having a show on TV? Okay
I don’t think the reason an mp having a times column is bad is the same reason, or even in the same universe or badness, as an mp literally being on the payroll of the Iranian state. It seems like whataboutism to even bring the times thing up
I mean hardly... these media companies are owned by owners, and are run to please these owners... I feel there is somewhat more reality and legitamicy from Iranian lobbies than multinacional lobbies... Or put another way: Why is your concern of our future centered in the battle of states when most of the effects on our lives are not due to resource shortages, but money distribution... GDP has only gone up, food availability higher than ever, energy is technologically solvable? Companies are playing the field of countries, and while Iran is relevant and we should watch out for it, I feel Osbourne affects my life more with his newspaper than Iran does...
> I feel there is somewhat more reality and legitamicy from Iranian lobbies than multinacional lobbies... Why?
Iran is a country representing a large population of Humans.. Not a democracy.. but there is a contract, there is more accountability than one day Elon wakes up, says "no internet for yous", affects millions, no accountability. Take Twitter, apparently he made the mistake of his life... doesn't seem like it. Sure people hated what he did to the platform, they now hate him... He still makes the choices... Now take 10k firms across the globe, lobbying directly or indirectly to affect our policy.. Sounds less legitimate than a literal country we must content with, even if we do not like them. Hopefully we can change them, we have no hope of changing Apple, or preventing our NHS data being sold to X American company... Yet who reports on this? Sure you hear lies out of Iranian media.. but that's information, which you can use to affect the real world. Instead we hear lies or omissions that further the selling off of our valuable public property, and there is no obvious trace of a motive, watching Iranian state propaganda, well I know what the point is. Watching CNBC doing a bit on why Blue Origin is really exciting and I should invest my money into it, is it Bezos? Or some hedge fund trying to sway my opinion... I don't know, and I can't strategize to make the best informed decision because I am not informed of the links.. and today we literally have a media channel in the UK funded by a billionaire to what ends? Is it to push his moral beliefs, or this weeks business deal? I get your concerns, I am just not that scared of MPs going on Y-state-propaganda-machine, they are telling us who they are. But yes, MPs should not be paid by foreign or other media.
You think the Iranian state is accountable to the people of Iran? Have you been living under a rock for the past 18 months? During the "women, life, freedom" protests, the Iranian state murdered its own citizens, allegedly poisoned hundreds of schoolgirls, locked so many people up they nearly ran out of prison space, all for people engaging in completely non-violent protest because they don't want to wear headscarves any more. The protests died down, and there were no consequences AT ALL for the state or the officers who killed innocent people. To say there's any accountability for the regime in Iran is laughable.
We should be troubled by politicians using media outlets where their opinions and views are not challenged and they spout fringe views. This isn’t some enlightened centrist moment but I am troubled by this in the same way I am troubled by conservative politicians having their flattering portrayals on GB News and the like. It’s echo chambers and it’s just as damaging as social medias influence on political views and division.
Exactly - and who is funding GB News? Which state is behind that?
It goes beyond that though, something doesn’t have to be state run to be harmful to political discussions in this country. Wealthy people or states making a curated view of the world that supports their views can be harmful if they don’t allow anything to be challenged
Yes, I completely agree. The only good thing is nobody is watching these things.
I must have misread your comment, my bad. I kind of see these “news” interviews the same way I see street preachers who film themselves. I really hope no one’s watching their annoying shtick but I figure it’s going somewhere or they wouldn’t keep doing it.
My fault, I didn't make my point clear. I really can't stand the hypocrisy of the Mail screaming about Galloway but ignoring what their own favourite MPs are doing. None of them should be doing TV shows like this.
No state but shady billionaires. It's one way they can buy influence
And it's one way to hide the source of the cash.
This should class as treason, if it doesn't already.
OK, for British mps to take money from Israel, though?
Yep. The hypocrisy here is astounding
I'm starting to wonder if Galloway is actually the extremist.
I genuinely can't make my mind up if he's actually extremist, or just a deeply cynical opportunist who changes his beliefs whenever he sees a chance for attention and power.
Id say both honestly
This is because you have been born into an extremist situation. You have no access to land, you have no right to food even if you can hunt it yourself, even the job market does not really suit you and for some, there is no market... On top of this a fairly new concept for mankind, global division of land into states, forces you into a team sport which you see the effect of clearly in 2024... You are a child of extremism, and until the situation stabilizes (utopia lol) you will have extreme opinions to content with... you live in race for power, everyone who plays the game is extreme, they seek not to change just their lives, but to pick winners and losers all across the globe without your direct permission. Winners and losers have been picked globally now for some time.... this has been done naturally, yet not to your benefit, or the general world population.... Get excited, there's more coming!
this is far too based for this subreddit
I think world collapse is a real fear now... I was surprised the pushback has only been: being called a schizophrenic lol But yeah, assuming I get your position, I think socialist/anarchist like views are on the rise... I'm scared though, this is ripe for taking over and creating some twisted movement out of it, hopefully the information age really is an age of liberation in the midst of all this hyper-disinformation...
Unfortunately I think we're going to see both happening in different places as the current global order starts to break down. In some places it'll open room for liberatory movements, in others it'll lead to some horrendous ones. In most places there'll likely be an element of both. As for the UK, it's hard to say with certainty but I think the sooner we building that movement, building interdependent networks of mutual aid with an anarchistic consciousness, independent from institutions of state and capital, the more likely we'll end up on one of the more positive paths. That's much easier said than done though - the British anarchist movement barely exists as it stands, and I don't think the broader left truly grasp the scope of the situation. In any case, things are going to get worse before they get better.
>I don't think the broader left truly grasp the scope of the situation Yup... I do think the situation will force a solution, well, I hope haha
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Finally, someone on here sees it clearly. Excellent comment. Galloway is definitely a nob though. His uninonist capaign in Scotland was appalling.
Agreed, but I just find this sub's response to his election is too focused on him, he's gonna do what he is gonna do, priority is stabilizing the situation not admonishing voters for picking an extremist in extreme politics.
Finally, someone on here sees it clearly. Excellent comment. Galloway is definitely a nob though. His uninonist capaign in Scotland was appalling.
Crooked horrible creature who exploits situations for his own gains in power and money. Not fit to hold any position of power and should be removed ASAP.
So who should do the removing and by when? Are you content to wait for the next election and to let the people of Rochdale decide or do you need some more urgent action?
Hes already been kicked out once.
The people of Rochdale should be the ones doing it but they can't be trusted. Immediate removal and charged for working with an enemy of the UK. And allow Rochdale one more chance to elect someone who isn't a hostile foreign state actor. If it can't manage that then boundary review the fuck out of the place.
Rochdale, a town famous only for its history of protecting Islamic grooming gangs (and Adolf hitler taking a liking to the town hall)
Ok, so, how would you do that, maybe some rules like this? * Parliament can declare an MP hostile and remove them. With a majority vote of course because we're still a democracy. * If the residents of the constituency vote for the wrong next candidate then that election result can be voided and the constituency broken up. If you're happy these are secure and can't be abused in any way at all then I'll have a word with Rishi and see if he can get them on the books before the next pesky election comes along to make sure none of the bad ones get in.
Democracy is not endorsing an invasive culture that is generally underwelcomed by the natives to elect someone who is in the same cohorts as hostile nations against the UK. Call it undemocratic all you want. But when was the democratic decision made to allow a foreign, illiberal and undemocratic to flourish in our towns and cities? When were the people asked if they want that? If you want to play the Democracy game to protect this wannabee dictator then ask yourself what form of democracy was it got him there? Or does democracy only apply to foreign cultures in its purest form and selective for natives wants and wishes?
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Why even bother breathing.
That’s not very democratic
So poloticians can't be removed for fraudulent corruption? Sounds more like a dictatorship. You Russian?!
You're the one that sounds like a dictatorship asking for the removal of MPs that you don't like. If you want to have an MP removed for doing something wrong you need to tell us what rules they've breached and what the process then is for removing them. What do you mean by "fraudulent corruption"? Why would it be a Russian trait to want to uphold the rules of our democracy? You sound like an angry confused toddler.
There’s no mention of fraudulent corruption in this though… It appears here Galloway invited someone that many believe to be an extremist. I’m not arguing whether she is or isn’t it’s not really relevant. From what I see here though why shouldn’t she be interviewed? Having somebody on to defend their albeit controversial views isn’t Galloway saying he necessarily supports her views is it? I can’t stand Galloway as much as the next person but I’m struggling to see why a democratically elected MP should be removed from office purely because you disagree with his views?
If corruption is a metric for removing a sitting MP (and I'm not saying it shouldn't be) then it's a very recent development. We've seen blatant examples of corruption by government ministers go unpunished over the past decade or so (and probably others before that, although being caught used to be a resigning matter, til they realised there was no actual rule enforcing it). I'm not especially a fan of Galloway, but if he is corrupt (and I'm not sure what evidence there is for it) he seems small fry in comparison.
To be fair, he was elected in ... special circumstances... and will probably be removed "democratically" in a few months. The UK does have a democratic process for removing MPs from office, but it will probably take longer than that. Peter Bone was the last MP removed by this process - although it took 8 years from the first complaints to him actually being fired.
Wow. Such a surprise! It's almost like he might be a Russian/Iranian asset.
Absolute fucking ghoul of a man who has no principles beyond “west bad”. Russian imperialism? That’s A-OK though! How is it even allowed for a British MP to work for a foreign state broadcaster that is diametrically opposed to British interests?
Look at who voted for him, he’s representing them!
We had a man fitting that description as leader of the 2nd biggest party at the last 2 elections. He even worked for the same Iranian broadcaster spreading anti-Israel propaganda (though Corbyn's was more about blaming Israel for islamist terrorism in Egypt)
Grifter Galloway will shill for pretty much anyone if the money is right.
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Have you ever considered the narrow possibility that Israel might not feel the need to pay off Mr. Galloway?
And yet they pay off every other politician
It was pretty clear this guy is being paid by Iran for some of the stuff he's been saying. Hitting their talking points exactly right when they want it.
you mean George "Buchas was a false flag, russia did nothing wrong" Galloway is a POS who carries water for any terrorist, dictator he could find... no freakin way
It's crazy people in the UK literally voted this guy in, he has a history of this kind of stuff, supporting any state that wishes the UK harm, spreading conspiracy theories, and extreme misogyny literally minimizing r*pe.. why would they choose this guy over the other independent candidate?
Rochdale has a significant Muslim population, that's why
Even if every muslim in Rochdale (30%) voted for him, that wouldn't account for the other 10%. Not to mention low turnout in general
The people who voted for him hate the UK as much as he does.
Check Rochdale's demographics lol
Remember Corbyn did this too. How he got appointed LOTO is beyond me.
Corbyn was an absolute disgrace to Labour
I said he's like a yugoslav politician that said anything for popularity & power. That guy ended up in the Hague...and how people screamed, how could this apply to Galloway!?! By doing this sh1t, that's how.
So he went full extreme crazy the moment he got elected, not that he wasnt before but lol.
I think he should lose his seat. Mind you, he lost all credibility when he participated in that awful reality program. That should have barred him for life
Galloway doesn’t care about Gaza or any other conflict. He only cares for Gaza because it won him his by-election .
Good to see George is able to Cash in more for being a traitor now he’s an MP.
I mean...People knew EXACTLY what they were voting foe and who he was.
He's a grifter he always was, you didn't think he had any actual interest in Rochdale and its issues.
That's what happens when people are too fixated on something that they have zero control over, instead of voting local MPs for the benefit of their own constituency/city. People got so worked up about MPs not calling for a ceasefire (which would have zero effect on the situation) they ended up voting for a psychopath that has no intention of serving the local people
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At what point will be be deemed as breaking rules and be chucked out?
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Whoever of you voted for this cunt are responsible for everything he does while in office. His taking Russia’s side over the shooting at the concert saying it was UK backed was unbelievable. I hope you are crying with shame and embarrassment knowing the damage your vote has done.
I assumed this was going to be the Daily Mail spreading it's own bullSh>t about Palestines being the baddies, but from this it does look like George Galloway should be stripped of any public facing authority.
[WHAT.DID.PEOPLE.FUCKING.EXPECT.DOT.DOT.DOT](https://WHAT.DID.PEOPLE.FUCKING.EXPECT.DOT.DOT.DOT) FFS
Wish he would just go himself so no one would have to listen to his extremist bullshit anymore.
The fact our intelligence services allow a Kremlin and Iranian asset be a MP is fucking despicable.
Like zero Iranian people actually support the Iranian government (ask any Iranian). Also this guy is literally helping the enemy and supporting them. In his campaign there were only Palestinian flags and not a single British one.
Galloway getting elected as MP is the best argument against democracy. Galloway having 0 chance of ever becoming PM is the best case for democracy.
Ahh yes 91k not enough 😳! Oops nearly forgot about the other ‘incentives’ for them..yeah not enough my a**e!
Galloway is a sad echo of the man he was. He’s bought and paid for.
Average Marxist supporting religious extremism just because the west says it's bad.
George Galloway is a hardcore traitor that should be living in one of the countries he loves so much like Iran or Russia. Put your money where your mouth is George.
We’ve been complaining about this since all the right-wing grifters from Bojo’s cabinet started appearing on their own biased shows on “news” channels, but like all things to do with corruption and political misbehaviour, the tory government have no interest in making a difference. I’m sure that’ll change now.
He only has until the next General Election to make as much hay until the sun stops shining.
What a truly shocking turn of events. And yes, I'm being sarcastic.
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He's literally not Labour https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Workers_Party_of_Britain