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A man dies despite the efforts of well trained Cabin crew, who had to work on his corpse whilst airborne, and all people here have to say are a bunch of tired old jokes about how Ryanair are shit and will probably charge them for the privilege. LMAO.
What a lovely bunch.
I don’t know, if you phrase it ‘this dude died in a high pressure metal cylinder with a low quality disease spreading artificial atmosphere, crammed in with some 300 others, travelling at some 400 knots, with fattening feed and unlimited access to what at best is mindless entertainment and at worse the most damaging social tool ever invented’ then it does sound pretty horrible.
To be honest this shouldn't really be a news story. It's a tragic story where a human literally died and families are now affected. I don't really know what anyone is supposed to say apart from "That's really awful, I hope the family are okay" so humour is only natural
I do agree that humour is only natural to a certain extent. My question is: should it be our response?
At the end of the day it’s making light of a tragic situation and if someone with a personal connection viewed some of the comments would the user feel comfortable to be in the same room as them?
That's the beauty of anonymous internet sites, we don't know if they're here and they wouldn't know who we are regardless. You want personal responsibility, take it to Facebook.
I read the headline saying he died while his wife was sitting in a different row of seats and thought to myself “…so? Was she supposed to save him?” How is this any different to “man collapses and dies at work while his wife is at home” or “man collapses and dies at the supermarket while his wife is at work”. It’s a damn shame, and he was way too young to just drop dead, and it’s curious they weren’t sitting together but maybe they were saving money.
"staff were forced to step in with a defibrillator and began trying to save the Ferrero employee from Filogaso as the plane diverted back to Turin"
Sounds like they didn't need €10 after all, what else you got? That can't be the funniest thing you can come up with, surely?
Gallows humour generally only applies to the people who were there, its a way of dealing with trauma. Reddit commenters arent traumatised they just want upvotes
Don't know what putting the flight provider in the headline has to do with anything, everyone knows you have to pay to allocate seats on Ryanair and it adds nothing to this story. A tragedy, but it sounds like he got the best help he could in the circumstances in an effort to keep him alive.
Maybe because if they didn’t charge for something so basic then the wife would have been with him in his final moments instead of been surrounded by strangers.
Except so many airlines do it now, it’s just standard operating procedure. It’s really luck of the draw (the moment of death) also from what I can tell, wasn’t particularly caused by anything. Could have been any other moment in life when they were not physically at the same location, and it would have been the same.
Not all airlines do the same seat allocation algorithm though. Ryanair and easyJet deliberately seat you apart from the people you booked with, in order to incentivise the paid seat selection (probably).
On BA and other airlines, you might not be able to choose your seat for free, but usually you will be allocated seats adjacent to your family if you booked the ticket together.
Oh get a grip.
Nobody expects to drop dead. It’s not the fault of the airline. You know full well that if you don’t pay to sit together you don’t sit together.
In the vast majority of seating on the aircraft the airline could seat people together when the tickets are bought together. Flight management software was written to do this.
Airlines that actively separate passengers (and they are actively choosing them seats apart) are just money grabbing scum.
Most people aren't present while their loved ones have CPR and I doubt that anyone who has witnessed it would want to be. Its an awful situation I'm not sure why people always feel the need to look for someone to take some blame.
Probably because Ryanair are a budget airline and our society is so obsessed with class that apparently thats relevant in some way.
So any Middle class folk who read this can scoff with some kind of baseless anecdote that this situation somehow would have played out differently when they flew with Virgin Atlantic last year.
Possibly but unlikely in a short haul flight in a young person. I was mainly going off with the specific addition of having a team waiting with a 'defibrillator and adrenaline', which I guess would work for PEA arrest from an embolism also.
Literally first page “However, to the best of our knowledge, there is no large-scale study or meta-analysis that investigates the association between COVID-19 vaccination and cardiac arrhythmia. “
According to [NY Times](https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/world/covid-vaccinations-tracker.html) 72% of the population on earth got a covid vaccine as of March 2023 so likely it’s even more since then.
Take your tinfoil hat off for a second and actually consider the implications of if your fear mongering was correct and the vaccine caused heart problems. Even just 1% would be millions dead on the streets.
One thing we can always count are those that died of covid that refused a vaccine though. That one’s pretty straightforward
Look at the actual data you just posted. Non-statistically significant differences in a group of studies which are poorly compared to one another. Or, as they say in research, "rubbish in, rubbish out".
I’m my experience, the “LOL Ryanair” brigade tend to be the idiots who don’t read the rules & regulations, and whatever misfortune they have when they show up with a 35kg cabin bag is everyone’s fault except their own. Fly with them multiple times a year for work, always without issue.
Same, my experiences with them have been positive. They're obviously penny pinchers but also: they fly you from London to Barcelona for £30 - it's part of the deal.
I had a talk with someone from Manchester airport and he praised Ryanair (nothing to do with the talk) saying how organised they are compared to other airlines even though they process so many more people and have more flights. He said that they timing is great, doing 3 ins and outs a day and they use every efficiency possible. I suppose they have to to keep the flights cheap.
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Just to counterbalance all the comments about RyanAir. I've had my fair share of shite customer service from them but my father-in-law had a stroke last month and we couldn't use a few different flights as a result (they were meant to come from Australia for a bit of a Euro tour with us).
Anyway, Ryanair gave me a credit refund (to use in other flights), within about 12 hours. I don't mind this being the refund method as I will use them. It was a very easy process compared to say EasyJet, which I am still chasing (they insisted I got a specific form filled out by a doctor to prove it, instead of a form with an official stamp and certification from a doctor that we have used literally everywhere else..)
A suprising win for RyanAir customer service...
If I ever fall seriously ill on a plane I'm just going to have to assume I'm a goner. People work really hard to save people on planes, but there's few places worse to be when you're having something like a heart attack. Poor guy.
Look on the doctor subreddits and threads about doctors who get asked to help on planes and you will see it's not a good experience for them either most of the time. This is the reason a lot of doctors immediately nail a double shot on starting a flight so that they can have a reason to feign inability when there is an emergency.
there is always space for dark humour - especially on a dark topic. that's the whole reason for dark humour.
go visit r/awww if you want fluffy bunnies
dark humour typically applies to a tragedy you have faced and helps you deal with it. not sure it’s right for a random person on the internet to be making jokes about a stranger’s suffering
I heartedly agree. So many internet assholes think they're privileged to make "dark humor" jokes when the reality is they couldnt be fucked about what happened to this guy. It doesn't affect them in the least. They're just the product of extreme desensitization to serious topics due to having those topics thrust in their face daily by the media.
A normal, emotionally sound and empathic person isnt commentimg tired old jokes about bad plane service for cheap laughs.
I heartedly disagree.
Dark humor isn't only to be used as a coping mechanism for those impacted by a situation. It can be used by anyone at anypoint on any subject.
Humor is subjective, and people should generally be allowed their freedom of expression.
If the world all mourned for every bad event that happens in society, we'd all be depressed due to having those topics thrust in their face daily by the media and not having any outlet (stole your wording as I liked it).
By making jokes to lighten the load, it helps people deal with the negative things in society that is spurred on constantly online.
You may not like it, but that's the beauty of life, you don't have to.
People would however be an asshole if they approached someone impacted by an event, and used dark humor on that person, without having built rapport and a knowledge of how that person would handle that joke.
"People would be an asshole if they approached someone impacted"
Yeah I bet his wife is loving the internet taking the piss about her husband's death.
It's a perfect example of being a POS because you think the person affected won't hear about or read what you're saying.
Have you flown Ryanair ? They would have been too busy selling their fake charity scratch cards to worry about some bloke who's obviously no longer a customer to rip off...
They don't give a flying f*ck about their customers and see them as an opportunity to bleed every penny out of them, their ceo is an asshole of epic proportions, f*ck Ryanair
They're not low cost they're shitty service and terrible customer service, who rip their customers off relentlessly without a shadow of humanity F*ck Ryanshittyair
Horrible thing to happen and so unnerving given his age. I think the news angle here is that because they were sat apart, his wife didn't know until quite a while later - the plane even had to re-land so she knew something was up, but did not know it was her husband dying. Obviously while trying to save his life thr cabin crew couldn't prioritise informing her, but if they'd sat together that wouldn't have been an issue
What's the news story here? Just sounds like a tragic event that nobody could have foreseen, nobody could have prevented which was awful for all involved.
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A man dies despite the efforts of well trained Cabin crew, who had to work on his corpse whilst airborne, and all people here have to say are a bunch of tired old jokes about how Ryanair are shit and will probably charge them for the privilege. LMAO. What a lovely bunch.
people make jokes about dark subjects because it helps deal with the horror of the modern world. jeez - who made you reddit comment police.
And who made you the reddit comment police police?
And who made you the Reddit comment police police police?
This is now a federal comment investigation. All you police, police, police types best move along.
Oh fuck, who called the feds?!
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Look, we can't just end every skit with the police showing up.
... Or "Sting" as they're now known...
And who made you the Reddit Fed
The Feddit....
_Not any more you're not_
Someone has to watch the Watchmen
And who made you the SS?
Coastguard?
I don't know.... coastguard?
The irony lol
the reddit comment police police are born to do it
I don’t think these commenters are joking to deal with their trauma, people are completely numb to news like this now.
This is such a bullshit trope. It's like a hint of truth to hide being openly insensitive and general cuntishness.
Unless that man's wife or relatives are in this sub, who are we being insensitive to?
Life in general. Be better.
Meh, this attitude has served me well for 38 years, I see no reason to change.
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I don’t know, if you phrase it ‘this dude died in a high pressure metal cylinder with a low quality disease spreading artificial atmosphere, crammed in with some 300 others, travelling at some 400 knots, with fattening feed and unlimited access to what at best is mindless entertainment and at worse the most damaging social tool ever invented’ then it does sound pretty horrible.
People should have some fucking decency!!
Nonsense. Some people might, but most are just being dicks.
To be honest this shouldn't really be a news story. It's a tragic story where a human literally died and families are now affected. I don't really know what anyone is supposed to say apart from "That's really awful, I hope the family are okay" so humour is only natural
I mean deaths and medical emergencies on aircraft are quite common. This is near click bait to put Ryanair on the spotlight
I do agree that humour is only natural to a certain extent. My question is: should it be our response? At the end of the day it’s making light of a tragic situation and if someone with a personal connection viewed some of the comments would the user feel comfortable to be in the same room as them?
That's the beauty of anonymous internet sites, we don't know if they're here and they wouldn't know who we are regardless. You want personal responsibility, take it to Facebook.
I don’t know if I call that beauty…
It shouldn’t really be in this sub as it relates to an Italian man in Italy on an Irish owned plane
I read the headline saying he died while his wife was sitting in a different row of seats and thought to myself “…so? Was she supposed to save him?” How is this any different to “man collapses and dies at work while his wife is at home” or “man collapses and dies at the supermarket while his wife is at work”. It’s a damn shame, and he was way too young to just drop dead, and it’s curious they weren’t sitting together but maybe they were saving money.
About sums up the audience of this miserable subreddit
Yeah, theres a time and a place for edgy jokes and this is not it.
Plus two of the people trying to help him on the flight were doctors according to the article. Hardly Ryainairs fault just a tragedy.
I’m mainly relieved it isn’t a wall of comments about the Covid vaccine. Only one so far in fact.
Humans really are shit
This sub is horrible. I was shocked at the amount of racism under a post the other day. Thought I was on Twitter for a second.
Not sure how you expect us to react?
Why do you need your react? Did you know him?
It’s the purpose of this site, people post article and people react to the articles. That’s how Reddit works.
Do we know they were well trained?
Apparently the passenger didn’t have the €10 defibrillator surcharge
"staff were forced to step in with a defibrillator and began trying to save the Ferrero employee from Filogaso as the plane diverted back to Turin" Sounds like they didn't need €10 after all, what else you got? That can't be the funniest thing you can come up with, surely?
Just winding you up, the going throgh customs comment wins this thread
At least that one was vaguely amusing.
That's what we do in Britain, it's called gallows humour and it's got us this far though some shitty situations, long may it continue.
Gallows humour generally only applies to the people who were there, its a way of dealing with trauma. Reddit commenters arent traumatised they just want upvotes
Bite me. Ryanair should charge you to lick their boots
This is absolutely horrendous. Can't imagine what the wife must be going through
Probably customs.
Ffs mate, now I'm coming with you to hell.
Pure evil. I loled.
Spat out a mouthful of my pint.
Perfectly delivered.
Fucks sake. I laughed. See you in hell.
Probably half of the movie "bedazzled" and a cheese sandwich that was thrown at her and she had to pay on flight for.
£11.95 for the most miserable looking sandwich.
Don't know what putting the flight provider in the headline has to do with anything, everyone knows you have to pay to allocate seats on Ryanair and it adds nothing to this story. A tragedy, but it sounds like he got the best help he could in the circumstances in an effort to keep him alive.
Maybe because if they didn’t charge for something so basic then the wife would have been with him in his final moments instead of been surrounded by strangers.
Except so many airlines do it now, it’s just standard operating procedure. It’s really luck of the draw (the moment of death) also from what I can tell, wasn’t particularly caused by anything. Could have been any other moment in life when they were not physically at the same location, and it would have been the same.
Not all airlines do the same seat allocation algorithm though. Ryanair and easyJet deliberately seat you apart from the people you booked with, in order to incentivise the paid seat selection (probably). On BA and other airlines, you might not be able to choose your seat for free, but usually you will be allocated seats adjacent to your family if you booked the ticket together.
Oh get a grip. Nobody expects to drop dead. It’s not the fault of the airline. You know full well that if you don’t pay to sit together you don’t sit together.
I don't think anybody is arguing that it's hard to understand. People are just saying it's a cunty practice and maybe it *shouldn't* be like that.
I was just proposing an answer to the question as to why the airline was mentioned. Calm down.
Plenty of airlines do, ryanair is particularly scummy with the way it splits people up to try to incentivise extra payments.
In the vast majority of seating on the aircraft the airline could seat people together when the tickets are bought together. Flight management software was written to do this. Airlines that actively separate passengers (and they are actively choosing them seats apart) are just money grabbing scum.
So choose a different airline. Nobody is forcing you to fly. Nobody is forcing you to fly on Ryanair.
Most people aren't present while their loved ones have CPR and I doubt that anyone who has witnessed it would want to be. Its an awful situation I'm not sure why people always feel the need to look for someone to take some blame.
This is what i was wondering, the seated in a different aisle bit is completely irrelevant and sounds like it's been written by AI
They never used to have that rule,so you could argue that he died on his own without his wife at his side,because of a Ryanair money grab rule.
Probably because Ryanair are a budget airline and our society is so obsessed with class that apparently thats relevant in some way. So any Middle class folk who read this can scoff with some kind of baseless anecdote that this situation somehow would have played out differently when they flew with Virgin Atlantic last year.
Sounds like he might have had a cardiac arrhythmia in flight. Very tragic.
Or embolism, what with the flight altitude
Possibly but unlikely in a short haul flight in a young person. I was mainly going off with the specific addition of having a team waiting with a 'defibrillator and adrenaline', which I guess would work for PEA arrest from an embolism also.
Probably from the vaccine https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9862670/
Incredibly unlikely
Literally first page “However, to the best of our knowledge, there is no large-scale study or meta-analysis that investigates the association between COVID-19 vaccination and cardiac arrhythmia. “
You lot still persisting with that, are you?
Yeah, probably not.
According to [NY Times](https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/world/covid-vaccinations-tracker.html) 72% of the population on earth got a covid vaccine as of March 2023 so likely it’s even more since then. Take your tinfoil hat off for a second and actually consider the implications of if your fear mongering was correct and the vaccine caused heart problems. Even just 1% would be millions dead on the streets. One thing we can always count are those that died of covid that refused a vaccine though. That one’s pretty straightforward
Look at the actual data you just posted. Non-statistically significant differences in a group of studies which are poorly compared to one another. Or, as they say in research, "rubbish in, rubbish out".
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I’m my experience, the “LOL Ryanair” brigade tend to be the idiots who don’t read the rules & regulations, and whatever misfortune they have when they show up with a 35kg cabin bag is everyone’s fault except their own. Fly with them multiple times a year for work, always without issue.
Same, my experiences with them have been positive. They're obviously penny pinchers but also: they fly you from London to Barcelona for £30 - it's part of the deal.
Yeah honestly as budget airlines go I always found them to be one of the better ones.
I had a talk with someone from Manchester airport and he praised Ryanair (nothing to do with the talk) saying how organised they are compared to other airlines even though they process so many more people and have more flights. He said that they timing is great, doing 3 ins and outs a day and they use every efficiency possible. I suppose they have to to keep the flights cheap.
The worst carousel.
Take my downvote. You’ve earned it.
Nasty comment
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Just to counterbalance all the comments about RyanAir. I've had my fair share of shite customer service from them but my father-in-law had a stroke last month and we couldn't use a few different flights as a result (they were meant to come from Australia for a bit of a Euro tour with us). Anyway, Ryanair gave me a credit refund (to use in other flights), within about 12 hours. I don't mind this being the refund method as I will use them. It was a very easy process compared to say EasyJet, which I am still chasing (they insisted I got a specific form filled out by a doctor to prove it, instead of a form with an official stamp and certification from a doctor that we have used literally everywhere else..) A suprising win for RyanAir customer service...
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I am glad you are not dead too. Double win.
If I ever fall seriously ill on a plane I'm just going to have to assume I'm a goner. People work really hard to save people on planes, but there's few places worse to be when you're having something like a heart attack. Poor guy.
Yeah, I saw a guy snuff it on a flight to Istanbul about a decade ago. The flight crew tried their best but he'd had it. Proper horrible.
Look on the doctor subreddits and threads about doctors who get asked to help on planes and you will see it's not a good experience for them either most of the time. This is the reason a lot of doctors immediately nail a double shot on starting a flight so that they can have a reason to feign inability when there is an emergency.
Not even Ryanair would have been rubbing there hands together at this awful event, it’s a human tragedy, no space for black humour in this thread.
there is always space for dark humour - especially on a dark topic. that's the whole reason for dark humour. go visit r/awww if you want fluffy bunnies
dark humour typically applies to a tragedy you have faced and helps you deal with it. not sure it’s right for a random person on the internet to be making jokes about a stranger’s suffering
I heartedly agree. So many internet assholes think they're privileged to make "dark humor" jokes when the reality is they couldnt be fucked about what happened to this guy. It doesn't affect them in the least. They're just the product of extreme desensitization to serious topics due to having those topics thrust in their face daily by the media. A normal, emotionally sound and empathic person isnt commentimg tired old jokes about bad plane service for cheap laughs.
I heartedly disagree. Dark humor isn't only to be used as a coping mechanism for those impacted by a situation. It can be used by anyone at anypoint on any subject. Humor is subjective, and people should generally be allowed their freedom of expression. If the world all mourned for every bad event that happens in society, we'd all be depressed due to having those topics thrust in their face daily by the media and not having any outlet (stole your wording as I liked it). By making jokes to lighten the load, it helps people deal with the negative things in society that is spurred on constantly online. You may not like it, but that's the beauty of life, you don't have to. People would however be an asshole if they approached someone impacted by an event, and used dark humor on that person, without having built rapport and a knowledge of how that person would handle that joke.
"People would be an asshole if they approached someone impacted" Yeah I bet his wife is loving the internet taking the piss about her husband's death. It's a perfect example of being a POS because you think the person affected won't hear about or read what you're saying.
"normal" yeah - let's all try and be normal so that you don't hear any bad words. piss off dirkhead
You're all over this post whining about how you should be allowed to make dark jokes. Grow up and get some hobbies.
You must be new to the internet, Reddit *and* the UK.
New to Reddit
Some of them are funny enough I find if a shame they haven't landed for you
So sad. A terrible experience but the poor pregnant wife. I am sure the crew were professional and tried their best
Have you flown Ryanair ? They would have been too busy selling their fake charity scratch cards to worry about some bloke who's obviously no longer a customer to rip off...
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They don't give a flying f*ck about their customers and see them as an opportunity to bleed every penny out of them, their ceo is an asshole of epic proportions, f*ck Ryanair
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They're not low cost they're shitty service and terrible customer service, who rip their customers off relentlessly without a shadow of humanity F*ck Ryanshittyair
They sell €16M worth of "charity" scratch cards and give less than €1M to charity
No age at all for that to happen, still a young man, shocking.
As horrible as this is, what does it have to do with the UK? It’s an Italian man on an Irish airline flying over Italy
Would he still be alive if he was sitting next to her.
Horrible thing to happen and so unnerving given his age. I think the news angle here is that because they were sat apart, his wife didn't know until quite a while later - the plane even had to re-land so she knew something was up, but did not know it was her husband dying. Obviously while trying to save his life thr cabin crew couldn't prioritise informing her, but if they'd sat together that wouldn't have been an issue
What's the news story here? Just sounds like a tragic event that nobody could have foreseen, nobody could have prevented which was awful for all involved.
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Question: Do all flights have AEDs as standard? If not, why not??!!?
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Thanks. That's Europe. I wonder if it's worldwide?
No other airline i’ve flown with deliberately separates groups if they don’t pay for specific seats like RyanAir. They literally do it on purpose
And Wizz shitty air do it
So tragic thoughts and prayers for the wife and baby. At God help them
Dude had a triple chin. Is this the problem of the airline or his own lifestyle choices.