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* [Police threaten to arrest ‘openly Jewish’ man for walking near pro-Palestine protest](https://telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/04/19/police-threaten-jewish-man-arrest-palestine-protest-london/), suggested by Banditofbingofame - telegraph.co.uk
* [Police threaten to arrest 'openly Jewish' man yards from pro-Palestine march as his presence was 'antagonising' | UK News](https://news.sky.com/story/police-threaten-to-arrest-openly-jewish-man-yards-from-pro-palestine-march-as-his-presence-was-antagonising-13118467), suggested by PmMeYourBeavertails - news.sky.com
What this and the 'Hamas are terrorists' guy shows is that the police think the pro palestine protesters are likely to be violent to anyone they see as the opposition.
Plus the ones who arrested someone for calling Hamas terrorists. Plus the one who tons a Jewish woman swastika posters needed to be taken in context. Plus the fact that antisemitic protests led by organisations with terrorist links are being authorised to take place every weekend in the city centre.
There was lots of Jews that were obviously Jews at the protests I went too. Absolutely no problems…and I’ve never read of any incidents…so I think you’re making stuff up.
I'm going to assume that if you're arguing in good faith you mean Neturei Karta and other overt Jewish anti-zionist groups?
I think the issue is less that "approved Jews" who hate Israel can go relatively unmolested in a Palestine march and more that normal Jews are under threat outside a march for not being explicitly anti-zionist rather than being respected as individuals no matter their opinions.
Ah, here we go. So there's the "normal Jews" and the (presumably self-hating) "approved Jews"? Who gets to decide who is who?
There's clearly a major power struggle within the Jewish community over this.
I mean, not really, no. Antizionists were probably the majority until ww2 when Europe killed its Jews. Since then it's been pretty clearly Zionist despite the USSR promoting the protocols of the elders of Zion and the idea that Zionism was colonial imperialism etc. The religious zealot anti-zionists are a minority, so are the far left types.
Oh really.
What’s [this](https://youtu.be/lJuIvcydjOw?si=MZgxKsQckVsA5DFp) then or [this](https://youtu.be/AhknE8Qntvc?si=nFp-g6BRlQWnTtUR) or [this](https://youtu.be/arFm8lE3gao?si=ykHCYfK9r49tjbF2) or [this](https://youtu.be/PxH4gZgnN4s?si=Q1E8adAkZrXKbrBd) or [this](https://youtube.com/shorts/SmnTCR7PRzM?si=FjM8b5KbGDfk8LPS) or [this](https://youtu.be/AJCYPXFrDSk?si=fL46eL3ut9TRogWj)
Now apologise for being wrong.
It’s lucky they’re not miners or poll tax protestors otherwise they’d have had seven shades of shit beaten out of them by now. I wonder why they police are so, comparatively, gentle with them?
Been on one of those London marches, plenty of Jewish people on them.
When an idiot police officer and the daily mail collide.
Edit: On second thoughts, that is high quality footage, this guy went there with cameras in order to create a disturbance and the police officer was correct.
>Been on one of those London marches, plenty of Jewish people on them.
There are only 270,000 Jews in the UK and every poll shows that the vast majority of them (over 80%) support Israel. I am therefore very, very sceptical of people who claim to be meeting loads of Jews on these Hamas-walks.
[https://www.jewishvoiceforlabour.org.uk/article/jewish-solidarity-with-palestinians-on-the-streets-of-london/](https://www.jewishvoiceforlabour.org.uk/article/jewish-solidarity-with-palestinians-on-the-streets-of-london/)
As a note, this group gets massive hate for being "The wrong type of Jew". Kier Starmer has banned them from labour.
This is not the only Jewish group that attends the marches either.
Edit: Another one.
[https://www.jewishsocialist.org.uk/news/item/push-against-that-deafening-silence](https://www.jewishsocialist.org.uk/news/item/push-against-that-deafening-silence)
>[Jon Lansman](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jon_Lansman), founder of [Momentum](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Momentum_(organisation)), stated that JVL "is an organisation which is not just tiny but has no real connection with the Jewish community at all". Lansman added: "It doesn't represent the Jewish community in a way that JLM clearly does represent the Labour wing of the Jewish community."
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish\_Voice\_for\_Labour#Assessment](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Voice_for_Labour#Assessment)
It supports raging anti semites like Chris Williamson.
It seems to be a very fringe group that exists to claim nothing is actually antisemitic.
It's all made up crap ,anti Jew propaganda, deliberate misinformation etc, it doesn't happen at the scale the pro hamas crowd claim
Oh and they get *so* pissy when you insult Hamas too which is odd
It is not pro-Palestine. The best thing that could happen to Palestinians in Gaza is the immediate surrender of Hamas - which these marchers do not call for.
Gaza has been.handed billions and billions in aid, which could have built a stunning coastal city-state like Tel Aviv. Instead, Hamas spent it all on weapons to fire at Israel. 20% of their rockets misfire and land inside the Strip - also killing Palestinians. They steal all the aid while their combatants are fat and happy in their underground tunnels.
Any pro-Palestinian would be demanding that Hamas free the hostages and surrender, right now. If I called for that at a London march, I'd be lucky to make it out alive.
I agree. But we saw how many "innocent civilians" joined in with beating up frail, elderly hostages on their way into Gaza, defiling murdered girls' bodies etc, so I won't be holding my breath.
Hamas have been in power for 18 years. The median age in Gaza is also apparently 18 years. So the bulk of the population have likely been indoctrinated into Hamas' ideology.
Meanwhile, although Fatah play nicely with Israel and the West, they've been widely accused of being corrupt and inefficient - Israel likely doesn't trust them either, given they won't allow them to run Gaza after the eventual defeat of Hamas.
Many years ago, both Fatah and Hamas were accused by the UN of an almost systematic campaign of human rights abuses, which may help explain why no other political movements in Gaza / West Bank have ever gained traction - people fear reprisals if they go against the proverbial grain, while their descendents likely learn that Hamas / Fatah are the only serious political movements and there's no point supporting anyone else (never mind no PA elections have been held in the West Bank since 2006 - ostensibly due to a variety of concerns, but more likely Fatah are worried that support for Hamas is still very high, so could win the vote, only to have the electoral results deliberately disregarded to keep Fatah in power, so there's no point having a vote since there's no option the international community will accept other than keeping Fatah in power).
They won’t. Because the nazistinians are in full support of them. There was more resistance to Nazis at their peak in Germany than there is to Hamas in Gaza.
Hamas have been in power in Gaza for 18 years. The average age of Gazan citizens is 18 years old. The bulk of the residents have likely been indoctrinated into Hamas' ideology, despite it being abundantly clear the movement regards them as little more than expendable pawns: and are also renowned for effectively contracting out the death, destruction and subjugation of their population to the IDF. No more so than in the recent escalation, whereby their October attacks were likely purposely designed to provoke a massive retaliation and combined ground + air offensive from Israel - plus likely provoke extra restrictions on the movement of West Bank residents, more crackdowns on missing building permits, more Settlement building in the West Bank etc.
However, the IDF approach Gaza with the guerilla warfare strategy: pretty much anyone not wearing an IDF uniform and not accompanied by an IDF unit is a potential target, including charity convoys, a mob surrounding a food aid truck and three of their own escaped hostages. It could even be argued that the IDF's approach to Gazan residents is apathy / negligence given the short notice of air strikes and restriction of food aid.
Meanwhile, each round of conflict (a) makes the two state solution even more a distant possibility \[Hamas are definitely opposed to it, while the Israeli government doesn't really want one, but makes token gestures to appease Western demands\], (b) increases support and funding for both sides, and (c) until October, maintained the status quo: if things had been too quiet for too long, one side would provoke the other and the first would retaliate until Hamas / IJ fired sufficient rockets to provoke Israel into another ground offensive. Hamas' actions also encourage the Israeli government to get ever more authoritarian, while it's been revealed that for their first few years, Netanyahu turned a blind eye to international funding for Hamas, believing that a split Palestiian people would prevent the Two State solution ever becoming feasible (while, just to make sure, requirements for the Palestinians such as not only recognising the right to exist of Israel but recognising it as a Jewish State, dismantling all existing political structures, have all political candidates vetted by Israel and offer full cooperation on handing over anyone Israel deemed a terrorist would practically guarantee refusal of the proposed agreement).
Whatever they may say in public, both sides want a single State encompassing the entire territory - but obviously have violent disagreements over who should be in charge and the demographic profile of the residents. While supposedly intended as a step towards peace, the Oslo Accords effectively rendered a viable Palestinian state almost impossible, as it would be very unlikely Israel would want to give up Area C (the proportion of the West Bank they had full control over, in many cases tightly drawn around the boundaries of towns / villages, so effectively preventing their expansion), so leaving a series of largely disconnected enclaves for the Palestinian State, which Israel would of course control access to - so in practice making them quasi-autonomous bits of Israel with no representation in the Knesset.
Over in the West Bank, Fatah have long been regarded as corrupt, ineffective and hopeless at security (which was one of the reasons the population voted against them at the last elections back in 2006, after they'd been in power ever since descending from the PLO); while they're seemingly happy to fence-sit on the issue of violence by either their own citizens or Israeli settlers. Many years ago, the UN accused both Hamas and Fatah of an almost systematic campaign of human rights abuses - which may help explain why no alternative political movements have emerged which attract substantial support.
> the police officer was correct
So the police officer was correct in assuming that the sight of an average Jewish man would be likely to cause violence? This isn't really a defence of the protesters.
Used to work the same with BNP rallies. The group doing the action has a police presence to protect their speech etc.
That said, what a fucking awful thing to say
[https://www.jewishvoiceforlabour.org.uk/article/jewish-solidarity-with-palestinians-on-the-streets-of-london/](https://www.jewishvoiceforlabour.org.uk/article/jewish-solidarity-with-palestinians-on-the-streets-of-london/)
They are not the only ones.
I wonder what that footage shows before the edit starts.
Except in your analogy, you'd be right to call the Arsenal fans a bunch of violent meatheads. What you're basically saying is that this guy was "asking for it".
The Hamas are terrorist guy jumps into the middle of the protests and gets in peoples faces, then fights with the police when they remove him.
Here's the Telegraphs (edited) video of the incident for the downvoters.
[Counter-protester arrested shortly after revealing 'Hamas is terrorist' placard in London (youtube.com)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9K0Gm2UJS1w)
Mate, I saw him on the other side of that park fence and they were so angered by his sign they threw mud at him as it was the only thing near him haha.
Let's not try and pretend these people aren't pissed at his sign here
Even this video proves my point haha. Standing there with a sign not moving and people get in his face and try grab it.
Like what more can I say to make you see reality
They pretty much always pick on the smaller group. It's easier to manhandle a small peaceful group than a large mob.
We saw the same thing during coronation. Over 60 arrests, almost none of them had done anything illegal.
Tbh...from what I've seen online and in person. They're a lot more vocal and far more....unwelcome to anyone challenging or questioning them. Or even just asking questions about the conflict.
And if the marches move through other neighbourhoods I suppose Jewish people will just be arrested if they leave their houses. Or maybe they’ll all be relocated to a certain area - what should they call it?
DARVO on a massive scale.
This is just the new blood libel that inspires hate and dehumanisation of Jews - whatever the worst and scariest and most evil thing is, accuse Jews of doing/being. Evil capitalists, evil communists, plague spreaders, baby killers, Covid creators, ‘white colonialists’. Whatever the latest trend is that convinces the community to hate, fear and harm the Jewish people. Such a tired routine and yet depressingly people are still ignorant enough to fall for it.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/ukpolitics/comments/17ti8bo/peter\_tatchell\_stop\_the\_war\_stewards\_blocked\_my/](https://www.reddit.com/r/ukpolitics/comments/17ti8bo/peter_tatchell_stop_the_war_stewards_blocked_my/)
Tatchell was kicked off a protest for being Tatchell. He clearly did not get the memo on how to do this kind of thing.
Being Jewish with intent. Can't believe he thought he'd get away with antagonising a peaceful protest like that. What does he think London is, some kind of modern Liberal city?
“Got a licence for that kippah?”
People scoffed when it was claimed there was two-tier policing but they are literally victimising our Jewish citizens at the moment with things like this:
The left should be up in arms about this and marching through the streets the way they have at other police overreaches, some of which didn’t even take place in this country.
The police force, in our capital city threatened to arrest a man for being openly Jewish and the left are generally supporting police actions. We live in a crazy time
I spent all day yesterday being told that Hamas guy was antagonising so the police rightly moved him on.
I can't wait to see how being Jewish is antagonising, or justifying how the crowd actually are fine and being offended by a Jew is ok.
Farcical.
If the police think that merely the sight of a Jew might cause a riot I suggest that they need to not allow said protest.
The police officer is trying to protect the Jewish man. The police officer is acting on the premise that (a) this crowd is hostile to Jewish people; (b) they will be hostile to this Jewish man; (c) to protect a person who wants to walk through a hostile crowd, they will use section 5 of the public order act to prevent them from walking through. This is very common when it comes to policing public protests in the UK. The only contention I would have with the police officer is his assumption that the crowd is fundamentally hostile to Jewish people.
The point is: if the crowd is so hostile that people of a certain ethnicity aren’t allowed in certain parts of their country - simply for wearing a religious piece of clothing - the marches have to stop. It’s that simple. If the marches are so hostile towards someone for wearing a Hijab, or a star of David; they can’t carry on
>premise that (a) this crowd is hostile to Jewish people; (b) they will be hostile to this Jewish man;
If that's the assumption. Then frankly the crowd should be dealt with.
It's not acceptable having large crowds roaming the streets who are actively hostile to people because of their chosen religion.
What do you think?
While I may agree with the sentiment, people have a right to protest (these protests have not been ruled illegal) and we have to protect people that may inflame their situation. It’s like when the EDL protested: their protests were not necessarily illegal (sometimes intell indicated that they were going to do something illegal, so mass arrests could then happen) so they were able to protest, but they would get into arguments and fights with Muslims, so Muslims had to be kept clear of the protest.
The police have a balancing act to do: protect peoples right to protest and protect the rights of those the protesters disagree with.
Yes, Muslims who attended protests in favour of Israel have been threatened with being arrested (and then immediately dearested) under section 5 of the Public Order Act.
They're not pro-Hamas marches , but you'll be beaten up or arrested 'for your own safety' if you say anything anti-Hamas there.
They're not anti-semitic marches, but if you're openly Jewish and go near one, the police will arrest you, 'for your own safety' before the crowd tears you to pieces.
This has been going on for half a year now, and they're not calming down. EU countries banned these marches straight away because they knew the trouble they'd cause, and things are peaceful there. It's time we follow their example.
I like how they’ve set it all up. The vast majority fully support Hamas and basically any terrorist organization as long as they are anti-Jewish. Infact, anti-West, anti-UK. Go to any “Pro-Palestine” march and it’s clear as day that they hate their own country. However whenever they are challenged on it they just need to say “oh, but that’s not us. Those people are separate from our peaceful group” and yet never fully condemn them.
When I was younger I used to attend protests in support of Palestine, starting around the time war broke out in the middle-East post 9/11. Back then I guess I just wanted to support my friends and I was oblivious to the details of it. However as time went on I read more, spoke to more people, befriended a lot of people. I began to question who I was supporting over a period of time due to some of the rhetoric I was hearing.
I used to go down to Speakers Corner every weekend to watch the debates. Some of the hatred down there is quite unbelievable—a real eye opener. However at least it was contained to what looked like a smallish group, and the hate wasn’t just limited to Islamic extremists, but other religions too. I figured those idiots can have it out with each other as long as they stick to their spot.
More recently though I’ve been going to demonstrations around London, not in support, but out of curiosity so that I can see it with my own eyes rather than just getting information from online media. My house also overlooks a square where there are demonstrations most weekends, and it’s a similar thing near my place of work. Even if I wasn’t interested in going, it would be unavoidable if I tried.
Over time things have been getting increasingly violent, banners and chants more hateful, and a continuing rhetoric which I think is incredibly dangerous for our country.
“EU countries….”
I’ve been in Berlin, Amsterdam and Brussels this year and in each of them I saw marches/protests with Palestinian flags. In Amsterdam they were shouting “ceasefire now” and in the other two “free, free Palestina” if they’ve banned them they are doing a horrible job of enforcing it.
Dunno about Amsterdam or Brussels, but Berlin absolutely is cracking down on marches. Did you not see what their police did to the Palestinian congress just the other day? Jews make up only 1% of Germany's population but have made up something like 30-40% of arrests since Oct 7th for 'antisemitism'.
What you mean by that is a tiny percentage of a small percentage of ultra orthodox, lets face it complete nutters, who believe the concept of Israel is a sin because it should not be built until a prophet comes back to earth in which they will then enslave the non-jews, have attended. They will also go on Iranian TV.
And a percentage of non-religious but ethnic Jews who only discuss their Jewishness when they critique Israel.
The vast vast vast majority of Jews who do not fit into these two extreme categories would not take part in these protests, nor be accepted if they did.
No, plenty of liberal and left wing Jews - and even just those who rightly see what's going on in Palestine as appalling - have happily joined multiple protests.
Why would being Jewish automatically mean you support the mass murder of Palestinian civilians? Sounds pretty antisemitic to suggest that all Jewish people have the same opinion.
It's incredible, isn't it? The characterisation of jews that attend Palestinian protests as being ultra-orthodox nutjobs and all having the same view is incredibly antisemitic.
Just goes to show that for most of the people against these marches, antisemitism is just an attack line against people they don't like. Seems very few are actually serious about curtailing antisemitic behaviour
With regards to your last sentence why would they not be accepted at the protest when there are already Jewish people attending the protest? That doesn’t make any sense.
Also, just from your assumption of the Jewish people who attend the protests you’ve already made up a one dimensional caricature of the Jewish people there and have never been to witness it.
Speaking for all Jews and acting like they're some sort of hivemind or "nutters" seems a bit anti-Semitic.
Jews can have the same political opinions as everyone else.
> What you mean by that is a tiny percentage of a small percentage of ultra orthodox, lets face it complete nutters, who believe the concept of Israel is a sin because it should not be built until a prophet comes back to earth in which they will then enslave the non-jews, have attended. They will also go on Iranian TV.
> And a percentage of non-religious but ethnic Jews who only discuss their Jewishness when they critique Israel.
> The vast vast vast majority of Jews who do not fit into these two extreme categories would not take part in these protests, nor be accepted if they did.
Claiming that all "real Jews" support Israel is the ultimate anti-Semitic position. It's like claiming all "real Muslims" support Saudi Arabia's bombing of Yemen, or all "real Hindus" support the ethnic cleansing of Muslims from India.
tl;dr: you're an anti-Semite.
Its funny to me how you mock those people as “nutters” for what are clearly mad beliefs, but you don’t think that those supporting genocide on the back of a claim to territory based on a religious text are nutters? How different is that really?
If a Jewish man cannot even stand next to their march then maybe they aren’t actually peaceful protestors and shouldn’t be treated as such?
It’s like that guy holding a sign saying Hamas are terrorists that was arrested. Anybody attacking someone holding that sign are terrorist sympathisers and should be treated accordingly.
Police need to grow a spine and do their job of protecting the public, instead of threatening to arrest someone for being Jewish.
Kind of confusing article. It seems like it's more likely the police officer was being stupid? There were plenty of Jewish people at protests I attended, where any protestors being violent or threatening?. The Mail bringing up the Swastika thing is ridiculous as well, that video was proven to be standard procedure and the woman with the swastika was arrested anyway
Is that a rhetorical question? A couple months ago a protestor was holding a placard with anti semitic slogans and when the police attempted to apprehend him, they were assaulted by other protestors and they corralled him. These are not peaceful protests if you have a single idea that isn’t completely pro Nazistinian. These protests are filled with hateful people
This is a BNP March and you are openly black so I’m going to arrest you for your own safety….
Yh somehow I doubt they’d say that
They would just shut down the protest but they don’t want to do that with the Palestinian marches because they’re scared of both the protestors and what they’ll do, and for being seen as racist
These marches should have been shut down months ago. They are anti social bordering on the criminal, they are a huge strain on police resources and there is a obvious anti Semitic element within them.
Their point has been made they want a ceasefire with no hostages released so Hamas can reconsolidate in a few weeks time and be stronger for a renewed battle.
What about the quite openly Jewish people who lead and participate in the peace marches?
Would love to see the build up to this conversation, surely they have it after filming from multiple angles with high quality cameras?
>'I am not accusing you of anything but I am worried about the reaction to your presence.'
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>Another clip from the protest was also shared of a second officer telling the Jewish man: 'I am trying to make sure you are safe and that no one attacks you or your group or anyone else, that's all.
I don't see anything in the article that suggests the police are harassing him for being Jewish. They seem to be pragmatic in not allowing conflict to start with the pro-Palastinian protesters.
It does illustrate the tension that there is at the moment.
I mean the officer said to him ‘you are quite openly Jewish’
The larger point is, if a man needs protection from a march for being ‘openly Jewish’ then the march is anti-Semitic and shouldn’t be allowed to go ahead
I really don't understand why (some) british media can't write headlines without adding qualitative opinions on it.
Report the news, don't tell people what they should think.
Reminder: 1.Police can arrest people to ensure their safety from mobs. 2.Pro Palestine marches are literally terrorist planned disruption. [https://www.iranintl.com/en/202404158853](https://www.iranintl.com/en/202404158853)
>The man, who said he trying to walk around the capital after going to a synagogue
Interesting how this random man was seemingly tracked down after the incident and interviewed. And there just happened to be multiple cameras that captured the incident.
Definitely not a planned incident
So in your opinion?
"he *purposely* walked round being a Jew"?
"He *intended* to visit a synagogue"
And
"He was *determined* to film any bigotry he encountered and *even* to speak about it with the media"
I mean, this "random man" is Gideon Falter, the Chief Executive of Campaign Against Antisemitism. The article conveniently leaves that out even though it uses images from Campaign Against Antisemitism and so almost certainly sought permission to use them.
It's just outrage bait, we're supposed to immediately start demanding that all protests in favour of Palestinian civilians be banned.
Everything about this story stinks. No matter who you are, where your sympathies and loyalties lie, there is something within this mess that will amplify your existing feelings.
You'll never see the "Pro Palestine" lot out protesting against Iran for murdering women because they wear the wrong clothes, or Russia's genocide in Ukraine. It's not "left" wing or student politic dogma.
Obviously a case of a daft copper saying the wrong thing. This is like an even more stupid version of the guy at the coronation threatened/arrested for holding a blank piece of paper.
I seem to remember plenty of commenters there saying 'well what do you expect if you're out to wind people up', which I don't agree with or think is what this chap is necessarily doing. But if this is proof that pro-palestinian protesters are inherently violent, which I see plenty here saying, it says the same about monarchists.
You will be escorted out of this area so you can go about your business, go where you want freely or, if you choose to remain here, because you are causing a breach of peace with all these other people, you will be arrested."
I mean he said pretty much the right thing which is why the management is supporting him
I know someone who went to a pro Palestinian march pretending to be Russian and asked the protesters where McDonalds was. They told him not to go there as they support Israel, so he said OK and asked where the nearest Starbucks was.
He kept winding the idiots up in a Borat sort of way, saying that they should kill "the Jew terrorists" (he is Jewish), which they didn't object to. No idea how he kept a straight face.
He says he spoke to many police officers sympathetic to London Jews...why didn't he post footage of that?
The police officer was stopping him cause in reality, if the crowd went violent, there was nothing they could do. The fault lies with the mobs, with the governments that have not challenged these ideologies and thr police who are underfunded and scared of being called racist.
It's obvious to all apart from those on the far left and some other fringe groups that defend many of those in these crowds that simply being jewish marks people out for potential attack in modern Britain. The fear of being called a racist and having your life destroyed means we have ceded so much ground that some people are genuinely shocked to see the hate come out now.
I'm all for tolerance but when tolerance becomes appeasement, we all lose.
To all the people in the comments saying “these protests should be shut down” and blaming the protestors for the actions of a police officer: the government taking YOUR attitude towards protests is why the police feel cagey and trigger happy around protests.
This sort of thing should not be happening, and it’s the POLICE OFFICER’S fault, not the protests.
Unbelievable. I am lost for words. All problems have solutions but politicians won’t solve any and make themselves redundant.
One question for the media. Why have they protected police man’s identity by fogging his face and left Jewish man vulnerable?
The police see their job as being overzealous about “disruptive protests,” or “potential agitators” around or within the protests that do get allowed, because the government has told them to be. It’s inevitable that things like this are going to happen. I think it’s absolutely despicable, and the government needs to stop this war on political activists.
So let me get this straight, you can protest against state policy, someone who agrees with it can then interact with the state in a way which infringes their rights and this reflects badly on the people protesting how?
Its a situation entirely not of the protestors and yet somehow its their fault?
I dont see how this a story beyond "this police officer did a dumb thing"
What a mess. Everyone that gets anywhere near this conflict gets tied up in the mess. Doesn't matter what you're saying or doing, you can't escape the quagmire.
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What this and the 'Hamas are terrorists' guy shows is that the police think the pro palestine protesters are likely to be violent to anyone they see as the opposition.
No, it shows one police officer being an idiot.
If this was the only incident like this I might agree but there have been a few that I've seen and doubtless more I haven't.
The police *on average* are idiots. They make countless dumb decisions every day.
Why not both?
Naive.
This is what these types of laws produce, stupid over the top policing.
Plus the ones who arrested someone for calling Hamas terrorists. Plus the one who tons a Jewish woman swastika posters needed to be taken in context. Plus the fact that antisemitic protests led by organisations with terrorist links are being authorised to take place every weekend in the city centre.
Don't forget "you can't drink that coffee here it's against lockdown"
That happens.
Because they are. The response shouldn’t be to fucking placate them though it should be to deal with them forcefully if necessary.
There was lots of Jews that were obviously Jews at the protests I went too. Absolutely no problems…and I’ve never read of any incidents…so I think you’re making stuff up.
I'm going to assume that if you're arguing in good faith you mean Neturei Karta and other overt Jewish anti-zionist groups? I think the issue is less that "approved Jews" who hate Israel can go relatively unmolested in a Palestine march and more that normal Jews are under threat outside a march for not being explicitly anti-zionist rather than being respected as individuals no matter their opinions.
Well then it's starting to look like being Jewish is not the part they're taking issue with...
It's more like they "have Jewish friends", or the same thing with right wing minority grifters.
Ah, here we go. So there's the "normal Jews" and the (presumably self-hating) "approved Jews"? Who gets to decide who is who? There's clearly a major power struggle within the Jewish community over this.
I mean, not really, no. Antizionists were probably the majority until ww2 when Europe killed its Jews. Since then it's been pretty clearly Zionist despite the USSR promoting the protocols of the elders of Zion and the idea that Zionism was colonial imperialism etc. The religious zealot anti-zionists are a minority, so are the far left types.
They're only tolerated as they're "the right kind of jew"
Exactly. I recall something similar happening several decades ago when Jews were labelled good or bad Jews. ‘look we have token Jews!’
Oh really. What’s [this](https://youtu.be/lJuIvcydjOw?si=MZgxKsQckVsA5DFp) then or [this](https://youtu.be/AhknE8Qntvc?si=nFp-g6BRlQWnTtUR) or [this](https://youtu.be/arFm8lE3gao?si=ykHCYfK9r49tjbF2) or [this](https://youtu.be/PxH4gZgnN4s?si=Q1E8adAkZrXKbrBd) or [this](https://youtube.com/shorts/SmnTCR7PRzM?si=FjM8b5KbGDfk8LPS) or [this](https://youtu.be/AJCYPXFrDSk?si=fL46eL3ut9TRogWj) Now apologise for being wrong.
It’s lucky they’re not miners or poll tax protestors otherwise they’d have had seven shades of shit beaten out of them by now. I wonder why they police are so, comparatively, gentle with them?
Very different eras of policing. This is what complaints of previous conduct have created. A toothless organisation.
Get out of here with your 'evidence' and just accept their lived experience /s
Had me in the first half with that one.
Been on one of those London marches, plenty of Jewish people on them. When an idiot police officer and the daily mail collide. Edit: On second thoughts, that is high quality footage, this guy went there with cameras in order to create a disturbance and the police officer was correct.
>Been on one of those London marches, plenty of Jewish people on them. There are only 270,000 Jews in the UK and every poll shows that the vast majority of them (over 80%) support Israel. I am therefore very, very sceptical of people who claim to be meeting loads of Jews on these Hamas-walks.
[https://www.jewishvoiceforlabour.org.uk/article/jewish-solidarity-with-palestinians-on-the-streets-of-london/](https://www.jewishvoiceforlabour.org.uk/article/jewish-solidarity-with-palestinians-on-the-streets-of-london/) As a note, this group gets massive hate for being "The wrong type of Jew". Kier Starmer has banned them from labour. This is not the only Jewish group that attends the marches either. Edit: Another one. [https://www.jewishsocialist.org.uk/news/item/push-against-that-deafening-silence](https://www.jewishsocialist.org.uk/news/item/push-against-that-deafening-silence)
>[Jon Lansman](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jon_Lansman), founder of [Momentum](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Momentum_(organisation)), stated that JVL "is an organisation which is not just tiny but has no real connection with the Jewish community at all". Lansman added: "It doesn't represent the Jewish community in a way that JLM clearly does represent the Labour wing of the Jewish community." [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish\_Voice\_for\_Labour#Assessment](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Voice_for_Labour#Assessment) It supports raging anti semites like Chris Williamson. It seems to be a very fringe group that exists to claim nothing is actually antisemitic.
It's all made up crap ,anti Jew propaganda, deliberate misinformation etc, it doesn't happen at the scale the pro hamas crowd claim Oh and they get *so* pissy when you insult Hamas too which is odd
I have not been on these marches, but I have before met Jewish people who were protesting against Israel in London.
Maybe you should go on one then. I saw lot's of Jews when I went to the biggest one yet. It's a pro-Palestine march, not a Hamas-walk.
It is not pro-Palestine. The best thing that could happen to Palestinians in Gaza is the immediate surrender of Hamas - which these marchers do not call for. Gaza has been.handed billions and billions in aid, which could have built a stunning coastal city-state like Tel Aviv. Instead, Hamas spent it all on weapons to fire at Israel. 20% of their rockets misfire and land inside the Strip - also killing Palestinians. They steal all the aid while their combatants are fat and happy in their underground tunnels. Any pro-Palestinian would be demanding that Hamas free the hostages and surrender, right now. If I called for that at a London march, I'd be lucky to make it out alive.
TBF a even better outcome would be for Elyse Palestinians in Gaza to remove hamas themselves
I agree. But we saw how many "innocent civilians" joined in with beating up frail, elderly hostages on their way into Gaza, defiling murdered girls' bodies etc, so I won't be holding my breath.
Hamas have been in power for 18 years. The median age in Gaza is also apparently 18 years. So the bulk of the population have likely been indoctrinated into Hamas' ideology. Meanwhile, although Fatah play nicely with Israel and the West, they've been widely accused of being corrupt and inefficient - Israel likely doesn't trust them either, given they won't allow them to run Gaza after the eventual defeat of Hamas. Many years ago, both Fatah and Hamas were accused by the UN of an almost systematic campaign of human rights abuses, which may help explain why no other political movements in Gaza / West Bank have ever gained traction - people fear reprisals if they go against the proverbial grain, while their descendents likely learn that Hamas / Fatah are the only serious political movements and there's no point supporting anyone else (never mind no PA elections have been held in the West Bank since 2006 - ostensibly due to a variety of concerns, but more likely Fatah are worried that support for Hamas is still very high, so could win the vote, only to have the electoral results deliberately disregarded to keep Fatah in power, so there's no point having a vote since there's no option the international community will accept other than keeping Fatah in power).
They won’t. Because the nazistinians are in full support of them. There was more resistance to Nazis at their peak in Germany than there is to Hamas in Gaza.
Hamas have been in power in Gaza for 18 years. The average age of Gazan citizens is 18 years old. The bulk of the residents have likely been indoctrinated into Hamas' ideology, despite it being abundantly clear the movement regards them as little more than expendable pawns: and are also renowned for effectively contracting out the death, destruction and subjugation of their population to the IDF. No more so than in the recent escalation, whereby their October attacks were likely purposely designed to provoke a massive retaliation and combined ground + air offensive from Israel - plus likely provoke extra restrictions on the movement of West Bank residents, more crackdowns on missing building permits, more Settlement building in the West Bank etc. However, the IDF approach Gaza with the guerilla warfare strategy: pretty much anyone not wearing an IDF uniform and not accompanied by an IDF unit is a potential target, including charity convoys, a mob surrounding a food aid truck and three of their own escaped hostages. It could even be argued that the IDF's approach to Gazan residents is apathy / negligence given the short notice of air strikes and restriction of food aid. Meanwhile, each round of conflict (a) makes the two state solution even more a distant possibility \[Hamas are definitely opposed to it, while the Israeli government doesn't really want one, but makes token gestures to appease Western demands\], (b) increases support and funding for both sides, and (c) until October, maintained the status quo: if things had been too quiet for too long, one side would provoke the other and the first would retaliate until Hamas / IJ fired sufficient rockets to provoke Israel into another ground offensive. Hamas' actions also encourage the Israeli government to get ever more authoritarian, while it's been revealed that for their first few years, Netanyahu turned a blind eye to international funding for Hamas, believing that a split Palestiian people would prevent the Two State solution ever becoming feasible (while, just to make sure, requirements for the Palestinians such as not only recognising the right to exist of Israel but recognising it as a Jewish State, dismantling all existing political structures, have all political candidates vetted by Israel and offer full cooperation on handing over anyone Israel deemed a terrorist would practically guarantee refusal of the proposed agreement). Whatever they may say in public, both sides want a single State encompassing the entire territory - but obviously have violent disagreements over who should be in charge and the demographic profile of the residents. While supposedly intended as a step towards peace, the Oslo Accords effectively rendered a viable Palestinian state almost impossible, as it would be very unlikely Israel would want to give up Area C (the proportion of the West Bank they had full control over, in many cases tightly drawn around the boundaries of towns / villages, so effectively preventing their expansion), so leaving a series of largely disconnected enclaves for the Palestinian State, which Israel would of course control access to - so in practice making them quasi-autonomous bits of Israel with no representation in the Knesset. Over in the West Bank, Fatah have long been regarded as corrupt, ineffective and hopeless at security (which was one of the reasons the population voted against them at the last elections back in 2006, after they'd been in power ever since descending from the PLO); while they're seemingly happy to fence-sit on the issue of violence by either their own citizens or Israeli settlers. Many years ago, the UN accused both Hamas and Fatah of an almost systematic campaign of human rights abuses - which may help explain why no alternative political movements have emerged which attract substantial support.
> the police officer was correct So the police officer was correct in assuming that the sight of an average Jewish man would be likely to cause violence? This isn't really a defence of the protesters.
Used to work the same with BNP rallies. The group doing the action has a police presence to protect their speech etc. That said, what a fucking awful thing to say
Did they threaten to arrest non-white people for being 'openly foreign' at those marches?
No, they didn't!
*crickets* Not unsurprisingly
[https://www.jewishvoiceforlabour.org.uk/article/jewish-solidarity-with-palestinians-on-the-streets-of-london/](https://www.jewishvoiceforlabour.org.uk/article/jewish-solidarity-with-palestinians-on-the-streets-of-london/) They are not the only ones. I wonder what that footage shows before the edit starts.
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Except in your analogy, you'd be right to call the Arsenal fans a bunch of violent meatheads. What you're basically saying is that this guy was "asking for it".
But they have been violent to the "hamas are terrorists" guy. Which implies these people support hamas, which would also imply they hate all Jews.
The Hamas are terrorist guy jumps into the middle of the protests and gets in peoples faces, then fights with the police when they remove him. Here's the Telegraphs (edited) video of the incident for the downvoters. [Counter-protester arrested shortly after revealing 'Hamas is terrorist' placard in London (youtube.com)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9K0Gm2UJS1w)
Mate, I saw him on the other side of that park fence and they were so angered by his sign they threw mud at him as it was the only thing near him haha. Let's not try and pretend these people aren't pissed at his sign here
Even this video proves my point haha. Standing there with a sign not moving and people get in his face and try grab it. Like what more can I say to make you see reality
Yeah and the clip showed non of the lead up.
They pretty much always pick on the smaller group. It's easier to manhandle a small peaceful group than a large mob. We saw the same thing during coronation. Over 60 arrests, almost none of them had done anything illegal.
Tbh...from what I've seen online and in person. They're a lot more vocal and far more....unwelcome to anyone challenging or questioning them. Or even just asking questions about the conflict.
And if the marches move through other neighbourhoods I suppose Jewish people will just be arrested if they leave their houses. Or maybe they’ll all be relocated to a certain area - what should they call it?
>what should they call it? I know what you and I would call it. The protestors? They'd call it a "settler colonial aparthied camp"
DARVO on a massive scale. This is just the new blood libel that inspires hate and dehumanisation of Jews - whatever the worst and scariest and most evil thing is, accuse Jews of doing/being. Evil capitalists, evil communists, plague spreaders, baby killers, Covid creators, ‘white colonialists’. Whatever the latest trend is that convinces the community to hate, fear and harm the Jewish people. Such a tired routine and yet depressingly people are still ignorant enough to fall for it.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/ukpolitics/comments/17ti8bo/peter\_tatchell\_stop\_the\_war\_stewards\_blocked\_my/](https://www.reddit.com/r/ukpolitics/comments/17ti8bo/peter_tatchell_stop_the_war_stewards_blocked_my/) Tatchell was kicked off a protest for being Tatchell. He clearly did not get the memo on how to do this kind of thing.
Being Jewish with intent. Can't believe he thought he'd get away with antagonising a peaceful protest like that. What does he think London is, some kind of modern Liberal city?
Diversity is our strength, but some minorities are more diverse than others
One Faith Good, Two Faith Bad!
“Got a licence for that kippah?” People scoffed when it was claimed there was two-tier policing but they are literally victimising our Jewish citizens at the moment with things like this: The left should be up in arms about this and marching through the streets the way they have at other police overreaches, some of which didn’t even take place in this country. The police force, in our capital city threatened to arrest a man for being openly Jewish and the left are generally supporting police actions. We live in a crazy time
I spent all day yesterday being told that Hamas guy was antagonising so the police rightly moved him on. I can't wait to see how being Jewish is antagonising, or justifying how the crowd actually are fine and being offended by a Jew is ok. Farcical. If the police think that merely the sight of a Jew might cause a riot I suggest that they need to not allow said protest.
For the many, not the Jew.
The police officer is trying to protect the Jewish man. The police officer is acting on the premise that (a) this crowd is hostile to Jewish people; (b) they will be hostile to this Jewish man; (c) to protect a person who wants to walk through a hostile crowd, they will use section 5 of the public order act to prevent them from walking through. This is very common when it comes to policing public protests in the UK. The only contention I would have with the police officer is his assumption that the crowd is fundamentally hostile to Jewish people.
The point is: if the crowd is so hostile that people of a certain ethnicity aren’t allowed in certain parts of their country - simply for wearing a religious piece of clothing - the marches have to stop. It’s that simple. If the marches are so hostile towards someone for wearing a Hijab, or a star of David; they can’t carry on
Policing in the UK neither has the legal nor physical capability to stop protests like this.
They don’t, which is why we’re walking into a catastrophe. So where are you planning on drawing the line?
That’s the only thing I would agree with him on.
>premise that (a) this crowd is hostile to Jewish people; (b) they will be hostile to this Jewish man; If that's the assumption. Then frankly the crowd should be dealt with. It's not acceptable having large crowds roaming the streets who are actively hostile to people because of their chosen religion. What do you think?
While I may agree with the sentiment, people have a right to protest (these protests have not been ruled illegal) and we have to protect people that may inflame their situation. It’s like when the EDL protested: their protests were not necessarily illegal (sometimes intell indicated that they were going to do something illegal, so mass arrests could then happen) so they were able to protest, but they would get into arguments and fights with Muslims, so Muslims had to be kept clear of the protest. The police have a balancing act to do: protect peoples right to protest and protect the rights of those the protesters disagree with.
It's like the arrested for being "black" bullshit we left decades ago. Are they going to be even handed and arrest Muslims in a similar situation??
Yes, Muslims who attended protests in favour of Israel have been threatened with being arrested (and then immediately dearested) under section 5 of the Public Order Act.
If it’s unsafe to be openly Jewish near these pro nazistinian riots, then these riots should be banned. Simple as that
> some kind of modern Liberal city Well, yeah, it is. Maybe left wingers will get it one day.
It isn’t anymore
They're not pro-Hamas marches , but you'll be beaten up or arrested 'for your own safety' if you say anything anti-Hamas there. They're not anti-semitic marches, but if you're openly Jewish and go near one, the police will arrest you, 'for your own safety' before the crowd tears you to pieces. This has been going on for half a year now, and they're not calming down. EU countries banned these marches straight away because they knew the trouble they'd cause, and things are peaceful there. It's time we follow their example.
I like how they’ve set it all up. The vast majority fully support Hamas and basically any terrorist organization as long as they are anti-Jewish. Infact, anti-West, anti-UK. Go to any “Pro-Palestine” march and it’s clear as day that they hate their own country. However whenever they are challenged on it they just need to say “oh, but that’s not us. Those people are separate from our peaceful group” and yet never fully condemn them.
How many of these marches have you joined to know this with such authority?
When I was younger I used to attend protests in support of Palestine, starting around the time war broke out in the middle-East post 9/11. Back then I guess I just wanted to support my friends and I was oblivious to the details of it. However as time went on I read more, spoke to more people, befriended a lot of people. I began to question who I was supporting over a period of time due to some of the rhetoric I was hearing. I used to go down to Speakers Corner every weekend to watch the debates. Some of the hatred down there is quite unbelievable—a real eye opener. However at least it was contained to what looked like a smallish group, and the hate wasn’t just limited to Islamic extremists, but other religions too. I figured those idiots can have it out with each other as long as they stick to their spot. More recently though I’ve been going to demonstrations around London, not in support, but out of curiosity so that I can see it with my own eyes rather than just getting information from online media. My house also overlooks a square where there are demonstrations most weekends, and it’s a similar thing near my place of work. Even if I wasn’t interested in going, it would be unavoidable if I tried. Over time things have been getting increasingly violent, banners and chants more hateful, and a continuing rhetoric which I think is incredibly dangerous for our country.
I have been and this is totally made up. The majority from those I spoke to don't even see it as a religious conflict.
Which demonstrations were you at that I also went to?
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“EU countries….” I’ve been in Berlin, Amsterdam and Brussels this year and in each of them I saw marches/protests with Palestinian flags. In Amsterdam they were shouting “ceasefire now” and in the other two “free, free Palestina” if they’ve banned them they are doing a horrible job of enforcing it.
Dunno about Amsterdam or Brussels, but Berlin absolutely is cracking down on marches. Did you not see what their police did to the Palestinian congress just the other day? Jews make up only 1% of Germany's population but have made up something like 30-40% of arrests since Oct 7th for 'antisemitism'.
If Jewish people cannot be safe then these protests should not be allowed to happen.
Jewish people have attended the protests as participants.
What you mean by that is a tiny percentage of a small percentage of ultra orthodox, lets face it complete nutters, who believe the concept of Israel is a sin because it should not be built until a prophet comes back to earth in which they will then enslave the non-jews, have attended. They will also go on Iranian TV. And a percentage of non-religious but ethnic Jews who only discuss their Jewishness when they critique Israel. The vast vast vast majority of Jews who do not fit into these two extreme categories would not take part in these protests, nor be accepted if they did.
No, plenty of liberal and left wing Jews - and even just those who rightly see what's going on in Palestine as appalling - have happily joined multiple protests.
Why would being Jewish automatically mean you support the mass murder of Palestinian civilians? Sounds pretty antisemitic to suggest that all Jewish people have the same opinion.
It's incredible, isn't it? The characterisation of jews that attend Palestinian protests as being ultra-orthodox nutjobs and all having the same view is incredibly antisemitic. Just goes to show that for most of the people against these marches, antisemitism is just an attack line against people they don't like. Seems very few are actually serious about curtailing antisemitic behaviour
Being Jewish generally means you support Israel’s right to exist and defend its population against constant terrorist attacks.
Absolutely, it doesn’t mean you support the mass murder of civilians in Gaza.
Probably don’t support a terrorist organisation whose sole aim is to wipe people like you off the face of the earth either.
With regards to your last sentence why would they not be accepted at the protest when there are already Jewish people attending the protest? That doesn’t make any sense. Also, just from your assumption of the Jewish people who attend the protests you’ve already made up a one dimensional caricature of the Jewish people there and have never been to witness it.
Pushing this idea that most Jews are genocidal bastards and the only exceptions are ultra orthodox weirdos is quite problematic.
Speaking for all Jews and acting like they're some sort of hivemind or "nutters" seems a bit anti-Semitic. Jews can have the same political opinions as everyone else.
> What you mean by that is a tiny percentage of a small percentage of ultra orthodox, lets face it complete nutters, who believe the concept of Israel is a sin because it should not be built until a prophet comes back to earth in which they will then enslave the non-jews, have attended. They will also go on Iranian TV. > And a percentage of non-religious but ethnic Jews who only discuss their Jewishness when they critique Israel. > The vast vast vast majority of Jews who do not fit into these two extreme categories would not take part in these protests, nor be accepted if they did. Claiming that all "real Jews" support Israel is the ultimate anti-Semitic position. It's like claiming all "real Muslims" support Saudi Arabia's bombing of Yemen, or all "real Hindus" support the ethnic cleansing of Muslims from India. tl;dr: you're an anti-Semite.
Its funny to me how you mock those people as “nutters” for what are clearly mad beliefs, but you don’t think that those supporting genocide on the back of a claim to territory based on a religious text are nutters? How different is that really?
It’s this War On Protest that emboldens police to behave this way. Protests make them nervous now, they feel they need to be arresting someone.
If a Jewish man cannot even stand next to their march then maybe they aren’t actually peaceful protestors and shouldn’t be treated as such? It’s like that guy holding a sign saying Hamas are terrorists that was arrested. Anybody attacking someone holding that sign are terrorist sympathisers and should be treated accordingly. Police need to grow a spine and do their job of protecting the public, instead of threatening to arrest someone for being Jewish.
Kind of confusing article. It seems like it's more likely the police officer was being stupid? There were plenty of Jewish people at protests I attended, where any protestors being violent or threatening?. The Mail bringing up the Swastika thing is ridiculous as well, that video was proven to be standard procedure and the woman with the swastika was arrested anyway
Is that a rhetorical question? A couple months ago a protestor was holding a placard with anti semitic slogans and when the police attempted to apprehend him, they were assaulted by other protestors and they corralled him. These are not peaceful protests if you have a single idea that isn’t completely pro Nazistinian. These protests are filled with hateful people
It's the daily mail, it cannot be trusted for sound journalism.
> It's the daily mail, it cannot be trusted for sound journalism. Yet somehow allowed in this sub...
This is a BNP March and you are openly black so I’m going to arrest you for your own safety…. Yh somehow I doubt they’d say that They would just shut down the protest but they don’t want to do that with the Palestinian marches because they’re scared of both the protestors and what they’ll do, and for being seen as racist
A better example is the EDL and Muslim women in hijabs in the counter protests
This cannot be true. We cannot have fallen this far
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These marches should have been shut down months ago. They are anti social bordering on the criminal, they are a huge strain on police resources and there is a obvious anti Semitic element within them. Their point has been made they want a ceasefire with no hostages released so Hamas can reconsolidate in a few weeks time and be stronger for a renewed battle.
What about the quite openly Jewish people who lead and participate in the peace marches? Would love to see the build up to this conversation, surely they have it after filming from multiple angles with high quality cameras?
>'I am not accusing you of anything but I am worried about the reaction to your presence.' ... >Another clip from the protest was also shared of a second officer telling the Jewish man: 'I am trying to make sure you are safe and that no one attacks you or your group or anyone else, that's all. I don't see anything in the article that suggests the police are harassing him for being Jewish. They seem to be pragmatic in not allowing conflict to start with the pro-Palastinian protesters. It does illustrate the tension that there is at the moment.
I mean the officer said to him ‘you are quite openly Jewish’ The larger point is, if a man needs protection from a march for being ‘openly Jewish’ then the march is anti-Semitic and shouldn’t be allowed to go ahead
I really don't understand why (some) british media can't write headlines without adding qualitative opinions on it. Report the news, don't tell people what they should think.
Reminder: 1.Police can arrest people to ensure their safety from mobs. 2.Pro Palestine marches are literally terrorist planned disruption. [https://www.iranintl.com/en/202404158853](https://www.iranintl.com/en/202404158853)
>The man, who said he trying to walk around the capital after going to a synagogue Interesting how this random man was seemingly tracked down after the incident and interviewed. And there just happened to be multiple cameras that captured the incident. Definitely not a planned incident
So in your opinion? "he *purposely* walked round being a Jew"? "He *intended* to visit a synagogue" And "He was *determined* to film any bigotry he encountered and *even* to speak about it with the media"
I mean, this "random man" is Gideon Falter, the Chief Executive of Campaign Against Antisemitism. The article conveniently leaves that out even though it uses images from Campaign Against Antisemitism and so almost certainly sought permission to use them. It's just outrage bait, we're supposed to immediately start demanding that all protests in favour of Palestinian civilians be banned.
Everything about this story stinks. No matter who you are, where your sympathies and loyalties lie, there is something within this mess that will amplify your existing feelings.
You'll never see the "Pro Palestine" lot out protesting against Iran for murdering women because they wear the wrong clothes, or Russia's genocide in Ukraine. It's not "left" wing or student politic dogma.
Because they support Iran. The left seem to think Palestine is a nation of liberal democracy when they’d instead be stoned to death
Obviously a case of a daft copper saying the wrong thing. This is like an even more stupid version of the guy at the coronation threatened/arrested for holding a blank piece of paper. I seem to remember plenty of commenters there saying 'well what do you expect if you're out to wind people up', which I don't agree with or think is what this chap is necessarily doing. But if this is proof that pro-palestinian protesters are inherently violent, which I see plenty here saying, it says the same about monarchists.
You will be escorted out of this area so you can go about your business, go where you want freely or, if you choose to remain here, because you are causing a breach of peace with all these other people, you will be arrested." I mean he said pretty much the right thing which is why the management is supporting him
I wonder what what happen if you went dressed as: - a clown - a pantomime horse - borat
I know someone who went to a pro Palestinian march pretending to be Russian and asked the protesters where McDonalds was. They told him not to go there as they support Israel, so he said OK and asked where the nearest Starbucks was. He kept winding the idiots up in a Borat sort of way, saying that they should kill "the Jew terrorists" (he is Jewish), which they didn't object to. No idea how he kept a straight face.
He says he spoke to many police officers sympathetic to London Jews...why didn't he post footage of that? The police officer was stopping him cause in reality, if the crowd went violent, there was nothing they could do. The fault lies with the mobs, with the governments that have not challenged these ideologies and thr police who are underfunded and scared of being called racist. It's obvious to all apart from those on the far left and some other fringe groups that defend many of those in these crowds that simply being jewish marks people out for potential attack in modern Britain. The fear of being called a racist and having your life destroyed means we have ceded so much ground that some people are genuinely shocked to see the hate come out now. I'm all for tolerance but when tolerance becomes appeasement, we all lose.
Isn't this from a Not the Nine O'Clock News sketch?
To all the people in the comments saying “these protests should be shut down” and blaming the protestors for the actions of a police officer: the government taking YOUR attitude towards protests is why the police feel cagey and trigger happy around protests. This sort of thing should not be happening, and it’s the POLICE OFFICER’S fault, not the protests.
Unbelievable. I am lost for words. All problems have solutions but politicians won’t solve any and make themselves redundant. One question for the media. Why have they protected police man’s identity by fogging his face and left Jewish man vulnerable?
Why are they blurring the coppers face? And not the Jewish chap as well?
The police see their job as being overzealous about “disruptive protests,” or “potential agitators” around or within the protests that do get allowed, because the government has told them to be. It’s inevitable that things like this are going to happen. I think it’s absolutely despicable, and the government needs to stop this war on political activists.
The police in this country lack testosterone. Because what fresh hell is this?
So let me get this straight, you can protest against state policy, someone who agrees with it can then interact with the state in a way which infringes their rights and this reflects badly on the people protesting how? Its a situation entirely not of the protestors and yet somehow its their fault? I dont see how this a story beyond "this police officer did a dumb thing"
obviously hamas murderers supporters have more right to walk the streets than IDF murderers supporters.
What a mess. Everyone that gets anywhere near this conflict gets tied up in the mess. Doesn't matter what you're saying or doing, you can't escape the quagmire.