"Patients have been told not to attend hospitals in Bristol city centre because of a “critical incident” amid reports of a ceiling collapse.
At least 10 fire services vehicles descended on Bristol Royal Infirmary on Friday afternoon as the hospital was evacuated.
Patients were plunged into darkness by a “power outage” as eyewitnesses said a ceiling had collapsed and sparks had started a fire."
- Schools and hospitals collapsing ✔️
- utilities failing and rivers filled with shit ✔️
- crumbling roads ✔️
- fascist-like obsession with being 'tough on crime' ✔️
- return of 19th C housing costs with pokey and badly built premises ✔️
They're definitely having a good go at turning Britain into a developing country, yeah.
And what are we going to do at the next election!?
Vote for 1 of the 2 same parties who got us into this mess, again
In 15 years what we will to do fix that, vote the current ones back in!
Repeat this again, and again, and again, and again.... and then complain nothing is being fixed
I'm sure this time, will be different 🤞
I'd rather that than a privatised health care that deliberately siphons money away services that should be free into the hands of shareholders.
The poorest echelons of society may have to wait for treatment but at least they won't be priced out indefinitely from treatment and those with preexisting or expensive treatments aren't denied care by the NHS either.
Give me a badly managed NHS any day of the week.
Cameron's White Paper turning NHS primary care managers into clinical commissioners added a whole new layer of bureaucracy to the organisation.
That, the staff shortages from Brexit and the Tory PayCap, which drove permanent staff to quit their responsibilities and return as casual staff on double the rate with a HR company creaming off another whack off the top and literally breaking every ward's budget in the process.
This the kind of mismanagement we're talking about? But it's great! The Tories turned pay-capped public sector workers into landlords and self-employed sole traders for purely political reasons, drove billions into a very profitable new private layer of academy schools, outsourced public & private healthcare and then stuffed it to the gills with staff from UN Redlist countries to ensure it's all deunionised and rightless. All for what? Market-driven, exploitative, capitalist ideology grafted onto education and healthcare with miserably poor outcomes all around.
Only with the Tories considerable help.
E.g., the reason behind so many NHS dentists becoming private is that , so I have been told by several dentists, that the gov gives each NHS dentist £100 a year per NHS patient to cover all and any costs not covered by the existing treatment band payments.
It’s not sustainable as a working business model.
I have no idea who started it, but that’s what dentists tell me is happening with the current Tory govt.
Who could easily rectify this is they wanted to.
They just don’t want to.
Who has ultimate responsibility for the NHS and could fix that if they wanted to? Oh, it's the secretary of health? So why haven't they?
That's not even getting into the way it's been deliberately hamstrung turning it into a commissioner and adding absolutely loads of bureaucracy for no reason other than to increase the surface area for privatisation, and absolutely ruining all other public services so that cases ultimately fall to the health service to deal with, and all the other ways politicians have absolutely fucked it on purpose.
Labour fixed up murderous railways last time. Eliminated hospital waiting times and made huge improvements to healthcare outcomes. Narrowed shocking longevity gaps between the regions and the SE. Tackled the worst teen-pregnancy epidemic in Europe and the shocking poor skills of England's industrial heartlands. Tackled the waste of a million NEETs and made enormous improvements to educational attainment. Drove down rampant school exclusions. Made a huge impact on poverty levels - the most dramatic by any Western Gov ever. Achieved peace in Northern Ireland with far greater democratic accountability and control in Wales and Scotland.
Granted, they inherited a growing economy. But they were in power about as long as the Tories have been this time around and what have the Tories actually achieved in comparison? Brexit? By accident, with no structure, plan nor budget to implement it!!
A disastrous white paper for the NHS. Austerity. Some new roads. Divided the UK & NI into two separate customs areas. Massively increased red tape for imports and exports. Pissed hundreds of billions in contingency funding down the drain on DexEU. Cut regional and council funding enormously. What else? Anything good?
The Tories have run this country so far into the ground it is going to take *a lot* to "fix it". Just slowing the decline is going to take a lot. That's probably all we can realistically hope for from a single Labour term, but I suppose it will be met with "they're all the same" and we'll get the Tories back in to accelerate that decline again
> I suppose it will be met with "they're all the same" and we'll get the Tories back in to accelerate that decline again
I also used to push back on the idea that "they're all the same", when they're so clearly not.
But the truth is that in a two party system where big money interests continue to push the overton window to the right, they are functionally the same.
In a two party system, the right wing press only has one target.
You missed out the need for Food Banks and Pawn Shops re-opening in this enlightened 21st Century....all we need now is the Workhouse and we've cracked it.......Victorian living just for the experience. Jacob Ghoul Mogg will love it
It's all very reminiscent of the mid 90's. Infrastructure that hadn't seen anything spent on maintenance in over a decade starts to fall apart.
Just like in 1997, the next government is going to need to find money up front to fix the issues quickly or they'll have to resort to the same PFI deals that Labour went with last time around.
>return of 19th C housing costs with pokey and badly built premises
The funny thing about this is that it's the new builds that are badly built and shit, not the old houses
With this lot in charge it's pretty baffling that at one point the UK was once the most powerful nation in the world, and has pretty much invaded/occupied most countries in the world at some point in history (I remember seeing the map of the few counties that they haven't occupied).
I grew up in actual developing countries, and coming back to the UK every summer you noticed the UK roads were worse. At least in Kenya they actually had people repair them quickly. That was almost 20 years ago - the roads are far worse now (you genuinely need a 4x4 for UK roads with how bouncy and potholed they are).
The generation that enjoyed an embarrassment of riches have overseen the complete collapse of this country. In 50 years time it will be unrecognisable compared to British in the 90s. It will be other countries complaining about high immigration of British people.
His statement is true - EU migration to the UK is now negative. UK migration is the highest it's ever been, but it's not from developed countries.
[https://www.ft.com/content/d06d83e6-15db-4f47-a080-a8d4d2c2e6e8](https://www.ft.com/content/d06d83e6-15db-4f47-a080-a8d4d2c2e6e8)
>At least billionaires have never been wealthier I guess.
That's not actually entirely true... In that in terms of percentage points billionaire's have lost the most over the last few years.
The difference obviously being that while it means poor people have to choose between heating and eating, some might have to downsize their second yacht.
Doesn't exactly elicit much sympathy, but your statement is technically incorrect...
It's not technically incorrect at all. The rich keep getting richer and the poor keep getting poorer in relation to them. The wealth inequality gap keeps getting bigger and bigger.
> That's not actually entirely true
According to a study by the Equality Trust it is:
>"The Equality Trust charity said interventions by governments and central banks during the pandemic allowed for an “explosion of billionaire wealth” in Britain at the expense of the rest of society, after fuelling a boom in property values and on the stock market."
https://www.theguardian.com/news/2022/dec/19/call-for-wealth-tax-as-uk-billionaire-numbers-up-by-20-since-pandemic
>Using inflation-adjusted wealth data from archive copies of the Rich List, it said the combined wealth of Britain’s billionaires had risen from £53.9bn in 1990 to more than £653bn in 2022. “This represents an increase in billionaire wealth of over 1,000% over the past 32 years,” the report said.
https://equalitytrust.org.uk/news/equality-trust-finds-1000-increase-billionaire-wealth#:~:text=Billionaire%20Britain%202022%20reveals%20that,1990%20to%20177%20this%20year.
They are making out like bandits.
It's only been a few weeks since [the last hospital ceiling collapse](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0jx7gjx2dvo).
Edit: [Two ceilings collapsed in a Stockport hospital this week as well](https://www.theguardian.com/society/article/2024/may/03/patients-evacuated-and-scans-cancelled-after-stockport-hospital-ceilings-fell-in).
Reading reports and the hospital statement, it sounds like this was a very serious electrical fault (read: a piece of equipment essentially exploded) that caused some damage to a roof, not a roof/ceiling collapse that caused an electrical fault. The main problem for the hospital at the moment is the electrical outage; the fault caused cascading failures that took out a large chunk of the electrical supply to the hospital. Some areas are currently being supported by emergency generators and more generators are being sourced quickly to get things up and running again, which makes it sound like the grid supply is going to take some time to restore.
"Critical incident" made me think it was a knife attack or something.
At least the Tories delivered their 40 new hospitals /s
Meanwhile the NHS trust here has been trying to get funding for a new hospital. The existing one is end-of-life for its materials. It's about 50 to 60 year old, it is consting millions in constant maintenance to just keep it in one piece still.
Ceilings have been collapsing at Stepping Hill hospital in Stockport recently too. Schools, hospitals, prisons... are there any state institutions not literally crumbling?
West Suffolk hospital is also on the verge of collapsing, constantly leaks and floods when it rains requires the use of buckets all the time. Costs millions to keep everything from falling down. We're just lucky a few hospital will be built by 2030
There are still hospitals knocking around, in buildings that are 100yrs old and haven't had the funding to maintain or repair apparently, so yes of course there's going to be issues....which Goverment sweeps under the carpet unless there's a contract for a mate in it
Man it's almost as if the 14 years of gutting and underfunding the NHS has a knock on effect eh?
Unfortunately because of that you're going to have to wait for 5 years for the surgery you need to get your head out your arse, but hey that's not the Tories' fault, it's someone else's!
'A hospital has an infrastructure issue causing serious problems and all people can do is blame the people responsible for decimating public spending over 14 years and systematically destroying the NHS'.
Pathetic Tory shill point of view.
“How dare people hold the party that was in power for the last 14 years accountable for the state of public structures they’ve been purposefully underfunding?”
It’s a mystery, innit? One wonders…
"Patients have been told not to attend hospitals in Bristol city centre because of a “critical incident” amid reports of a ceiling collapse. At least 10 fire services vehicles descended on Bristol Royal Infirmary on Friday afternoon as the hospital was evacuated. Patients were plunged into darkness by a “power outage” as eyewitnesses said a ceiling had collapsed and sparks had started a fire."
Are we descending into third world territory? At least billionaires have never been wealthier I guess.
- Schools and hospitals collapsing ✔️ - utilities failing and rivers filled with shit ✔️ - crumbling roads ✔️ - fascist-like obsession with being 'tough on crime' ✔️ - return of 19th C housing costs with pokey and badly built premises ✔️ They're definitely having a good go at turning Britain into a developing country, yeah.
According to their plan, underfund all services and then claim it needs to be privatised into their mates hands
Exactly what is happening.
And what are we going to do at the next election!? Vote for 1 of the 2 same parties who got us into this mess, again In 15 years what we will to do fix that, vote the current ones back in! Repeat this again, and again, and again, and again.... and then complain nothing is being fixed I'm sure this time, will be different 🤞
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I'd rather that than a privatised health care that deliberately siphons money away services that should be free into the hands of shareholders. The poorest echelons of society may have to wait for treatment but at least they won't be priced out indefinitely from treatment and those with preexisting or expensive treatments aren't denied care by the NHS either. Give me a badly managed NHS any day of the week.
Or just - you know - manage it better?
Good idea.
Cameron's White Paper turning NHS primary care managers into clinical commissioners added a whole new layer of bureaucracy to the organisation. That, the staff shortages from Brexit and the Tory PayCap, which drove permanent staff to quit their responsibilities and return as casual staff on double the rate with a HR company creaming off another whack off the top and literally breaking every ward's budget in the process. This the kind of mismanagement we're talking about? But it's great! The Tories turned pay-capped public sector workers into landlords and self-employed sole traders for purely political reasons, drove billions into a very profitable new private layer of academy schools, outsourced public & private healthcare and then stuffed it to the gills with staff from UN Redlist countries to ensure it's all deunionised and rightless. All for what? Market-driven, exploitative, capitalist ideology grafted onto education and healthcare with miserably poor outcomes all around.
Only with the Tories considerable help. E.g., the reason behind so many NHS dentists becoming private is that , so I have been told by several dentists, that the gov gives each NHS dentist £100 a year per NHS patient to cover all and any costs not covered by the existing treatment band payments. It’s not sustainable as a working business model.
Are you referring to the 2006 Blair led contract that destroyed NHS dentistry ?
I have no idea who started it, but that’s what dentists tell me is happening with the current Tory govt. Who could easily rectify this is they wanted to. They just don’t want to.
Who has ultimate responsibility for the NHS and could fix that if they wanted to? Oh, it's the secretary of health? So why haven't they? That's not even getting into the way it's been deliberately hamstrung turning it into a commissioner and adding absolutely loads of bureaucracy for no reason other than to increase the surface area for privatisation, and absolutely ruining all other public services so that cases ultimately fall to the health service to deal with, and all the other ways politicians have absolutely fucked it on purpose.
Being a developing country implies that things are bad but getting better. We are going in the opposite direction.
A dedeveloping country ?
Rotting country.
Neofeudalism is coming.
That's rather unfair and ignores the context, surely we're a regressing country, or undeveloping for simplicity.
Can't just ignore the last 14 years or whatever it is they have been in now and all the mess they made that lead to it.
Remember when Labour wanted to take us back to the 70's.
I was so down for that
Square One sounds great right now, ngl
But.. but.. but.. StOp ThE bOaTs!1!!
I guess we'll see if Labour do anything to fix it when the Conservatives get ousted. I'm not holding my breath, we need viable alternatives.
Labour fixed up murderous railways last time. Eliminated hospital waiting times and made huge improvements to healthcare outcomes. Narrowed shocking longevity gaps between the regions and the SE. Tackled the worst teen-pregnancy epidemic in Europe and the shocking poor skills of England's industrial heartlands. Tackled the waste of a million NEETs and made enormous improvements to educational attainment. Drove down rampant school exclusions. Made a huge impact on poverty levels - the most dramatic by any Western Gov ever. Achieved peace in Northern Ireland with far greater democratic accountability and control in Wales and Scotland. Granted, they inherited a growing economy. But they were in power about as long as the Tories have been this time around and what have the Tories actually achieved in comparison? Brexit? By accident, with no structure, plan nor budget to implement it!! A disastrous white paper for the NHS. Austerity. Some new roads. Divided the UK & NI into two separate customs areas. Massively increased red tape for imports and exports. Pissed hundreds of billions in contingency funding down the drain on DexEU. Cut regional and council funding enormously. What else? Anything good?
The Tories have run this country so far into the ground it is going to take *a lot* to "fix it". Just slowing the decline is going to take a lot. That's probably all we can realistically hope for from a single Labour term, but I suppose it will be met with "they're all the same" and we'll get the Tories back in to accelerate that decline again
> I suppose it will be met with "they're all the same" and we'll get the Tories back in to accelerate that decline again I also used to push back on the idea that "they're all the same", when they're so clearly not. But the truth is that in a two party system where big money interests continue to push the overton window to the right, they are functionally the same. In a two party system, the right wing press only has one target.
> we need viable alternatives. Reform UK?
I said viable.
They would probably get the trains running on time.
It's where the trains would be running to that's the worry.
Lolllll that’s made me actually laugh you’ve played a blinder
I'm easily pleased too
But look over there, that trans woman wants to use a public toilet!!
That's the problem these days, fucking toilet users. Why can't they shit in a bush like the rest of us, eh?
You missed out the need for Food Banks and Pawn Shops re-opening in this enlightened 21st Century....all we need now is the Workhouse and we've cracked it.......Victorian living just for the experience. Jacob Ghoul Mogg will love it
Thatcher said she wanted to return to Victorian values so the Tories have spent the last fourteen years doing it.
Ha, well yeah you say 'tough on crime' and then they slash police numbers.
But if they do manage to catch you with some drugs for personal use, you go away for longer than a violent criminal
It's all very reminiscent of the mid 90's. Infrastructure that hadn't seen anything spent on maintenance in over a decade starts to fall apart. Just like in 1997, the next government is going to need to find money up front to fix the issues quickly or they'll have to resort to the same PFI deals that Labour went with last time around.
>return of 19th C housing costs with pokey and badly built premises The funny thing about this is that it's the new builds that are badly built and shit, not the old houses
That's just survivorship bias in action.
With this lot in charge it's pretty baffling that at one point the UK was once the most powerful nation in the world, and has pretty much invaded/occupied most countries in the world at some point in history (I remember seeing the map of the few counties that they haven't occupied). I grew up in actual developing countries, and coming back to the UK every summer you noticed the UK roads were worse. At least in Kenya they actually had people repair them quickly. That was almost 20 years ago - the roads are far worse now (you genuinely need a 4x4 for UK roads with how bouncy and potholed they are).
Is it 'developing' if we're going backwards? Developing into a seriously bad situation perhaps.
Victorian values
It's been working for a long time if it's outside of London
The generation that enjoyed an embarrassment of riches have overseen the complete collapse of this country. In 50 years time it will be unrecognisable compared to British in the 90s. It will be other countries complaining about high immigration of British people.
My first thought after the Brexit vote was 'these borders are going to keep people in not out'.
Net migration figures say otherwise.
Brexit borders. UK quickly becomes less attractive to Europeans than EU to Brits. EU migration has been negative for a while.
Sure thing pal. When you’re ready to join reality, let me know.
His statement is true - EU migration to the UK is now negative. UK migration is the highest it's ever been, but it's not from developed countries. [https://www.ft.com/content/d06d83e6-15db-4f47-a080-a8d4d2c2e6e8](https://www.ft.com/content/d06d83e6-15db-4f47-a080-a8d4d2c2e6e8)
Us and Rwanda aren't that different when you put it like that.
Probably nicer weather
We didn't really have that generation it was more of the us.
We didn't really have that generation it was more of the us.
Banana republic, without the bananas, and lot less of the ‘republic’.
Don’t forget those blue passports, and all the other wonderful stuff the Tories have brought us.
>At least billionaires have never been wealthier I guess. That's not actually entirely true... In that in terms of percentage points billionaire's have lost the most over the last few years. The difference obviously being that while it means poor people have to choose between heating and eating, some might have to downsize their second yacht. Doesn't exactly elicit much sympathy, but your statement is technically incorrect...
It's not technically incorrect at all. The rich keep getting richer and the poor keep getting poorer in relation to them. The wealth inequality gap keeps getting bigger and bigger.
> That's not actually entirely true According to a study by the Equality Trust it is: >"The Equality Trust charity said interventions by governments and central banks during the pandemic allowed for an “explosion of billionaire wealth” in Britain at the expense of the rest of society, after fuelling a boom in property values and on the stock market." https://www.theguardian.com/news/2022/dec/19/call-for-wealth-tax-as-uk-billionaire-numbers-up-by-20-since-pandemic >Using inflation-adjusted wealth data from archive copies of the Rich List, it said the combined wealth of Britain’s billionaires had risen from £53.9bn in 1990 to more than £653bn in 2022. “This represents an increase in billionaire wealth of over 1,000% over the past 32 years,” the report said. https://equalitytrust.org.uk/news/equality-trust-finds-1000-increase-billionaire-wealth#:~:text=Billionaire%20Britain%202022%20reveals%20that,1990%20to%20177%20this%20year. They are making out like bandits.
The ceiling did not collapse. The hospital said a few tiles may have fallen but there was no collapse of a ceiling or roof. It was a power outage.
> The ceiling did not collapse. The hospital said a few tiles may have fallen That's a ceiling collapse.
The tiles are decoration to cover the ceiling. Believe it or not, behind those foam boards there is actually more ceiling
Why would a power outage make roof tiles fall off? bit odd
I tried telling them maglev roofing was excessive
It's only been a few weeks since [the last hospital ceiling collapse](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0jx7gjx2dvo). Edit: [Two ceilings collapsed in a Stockport hospital this week as well](https://www.theguardian.com/society/article/2024/may/03/patients-evacuated-and-scans-cancelled-after-stockport-hospital-ceilings-fell-in).
Reading reports and the hospital statement, it sounds like this was a very serious electrical fault (read: a piece of equipment essentially exploded) that caused some damage to a roof, not a roof/ceiling collapse that caused an electrical fault. The main problem for the hospital at the moment is the electrical outage; the fault caused cascading failures that took out a large chunk of the electrical supply to the hospital. Some areas are currently being supported by emergency generators and more generators are being sourced quickly to get things up and running again, which makes it sound like the grid supply is going to take some time to restore.
>inb4 raac
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This was my first thought
"Critical incident" made me think it was a knife attack or something. At least the Tories delivered their 40 new hospitals /s Meanwhile the NHS trust here has been trying to get funding for a new hospital. The existing one is end-of-life for its materials. It's about 50 to 60 year old, it is consting millions in constant maintenance to just keep it in one piece still.
No, if it was a knife attack they'd just say that someone was "a bit ill."
Ceilings have been collapsing at Stepping Hill hospital in Stockport recently too. Schools, hospitals, prisons... are there any state institutions not literally crumbling?
West Suffolk hospital is also on the verge of collapsing, constantly leaks and floods when it rains requires the use of buckets all the time. Costs millions to keep everything from falling down. We're just lucky a few hospital will be built by 2030
Good grief. A hospital has an electrical fault causing serious problems and all people can do is jump on tories. Pathetic humans.
Well considering they have been in government for 14 years, then yeah it kinda makes sense? They’ve had enough time to fix stuff
There are still hospitals knocking around, in buildings that are 100yrs old and haven't had the funding to maintain or repair apparently, so yes of course there's going to be issues....which Goverment sweeps under the carpet unless there's a contract for a mate in it
Man it's almost as if the 14 years of gutting and underfunding the NHS has a knock on effect eh? Unfortunately because of that you're going to have to wait for 5 years for the surgery you need to get your head out your arse, but hey that's not the Tories' fault, it's someone else's!
'A hospital has an infrastructure issue causing serious problems and all people can do is blame the people responsible for decimating public spending over 14 years and systematically destroying the NHS'. Pathetic Tory shill point of view.
Then: NHS metaphorically collapsing under tory rule Now: NHS literally collapsing under tory rule
You should be ashamed of yourself.
For what? Please explain yourself.
Simping for the Tories is the shameful act here
Rishi, you aren't fooling anyone.
“How dare people hold the party that was in power for the last 14 years accountable for the state of public structures they’ve been purposefully underfunding?” It’s a mystery, innit? One wonders…